If Favre stops playing midseason (1 Viewer)

[phillzphan]

With problems with the O-Line, RB, weak TEs, weak WRs after Driver, and Brett Favre I feel like this team has a serious chance of throwing it in at the end.

If they are playing this bad, I think Favre will either take himself out, or have coaches take him out. That leaves Rodgers in as QB.

This is only option 1.

Favre is also old. He could very easily get injured and go down.

That is option 2.

The question is what happens to the surrounding fantasy value.

If/When Favre stops playing in the middle of the season through either option, what happens to the following players;

Starting RB

Donald Driver
Defense

 

[jurb26]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

 

[pigskinliquors]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

In before the reference to "hater"

 

[jurb26]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

In before the reference to "hater"

I prefer realist.

 

[phillzphan]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

Really? I'm having a problem seeing that. ARod was almost put in NFLE because he's coming along so slowly.After posting the topic I think the Defense is the only one that will improve when Favre goes down. He just makes a ton of mistakes. But in attempts that are *almost* mistakes is why his fantasy recievers have had such great seasons for at least the past 3 years.Will another QB lock on a different reciever? Will the other QB open the field so that the running game can be decent? These...I dunno.

 

[David Yudkin]

While I know you asked for worst case scenarios and potentially having the Packers DOA halfway through the season, remember that the Packers lost 8 games last year by a TD or less (including 5 by a FG or less). And last year saw a ton of injuries and a lot went wrong throughout the year.

IMO, while certainly not a great team, their record of 4-12 made them look far less competitive than they actually are. Even with all their blights, I still seem them as a .500 team, which as we all know puts them in the thick of the playoff hunt in the NFC.

To be clear, they may not BE a .500 team, but IMO they will be competitive enough to hang around in games and COULD be .500.

As for Favre, if he realizes he is not Superman and 28 years old, he should be in for an ok season. He's had plenty of seasons where he did nothave two 1,000 yard receivers and still put up good numbers. With the GB running game having some questions, I see him passing a fair amount.

 

[jurb26]

With the GB running game having some questions, I see him passing a fair amount.

The way that he has turned the ball over recently, I can't see anyway in which this is a good thing. Especially for a team that has gone out and tried to improve it's D.

 

[David Yudkin]

With the GB running game having some questions, I see him passing a fair amount.

The way that he has turned the ball over recently, I can't see anyway in which this is a good thing. Especially for a team that has gone out and tried to improve it's D.

Other than the year Favre broke his thumb (the year Green went off the charts production wise), the packers have always been a pass-oriented team and had decent passing totals.While we don't know what to fully expect from a revisted system, I don't see Favre turning into someone that hands off to RB for two downs and then only passes if it's 3rd and 5 or more.Will Favre have 35 TD again? No. Could he have 20 INT again? Maybe. If healthy will he hit 3500 passing yards again? He should. Will he get 20 TD again? I don't see why not. He was the #13 QB last year in a year he had 29 INT. Can he throw more than that?I'm not saying running out and expect Top 5 numbers from Favre, but he should be a decent QB2 and most people are avoiding him for many of the reasons that have been expressed in this thread.

 

[phillzphan]

With the GB running game having some questions, I see him passing a fair amount.

The way that he has turned the ball over recently, I can't see anyway in which this is a good thing. Especially for a team that has gone out and tried to improve it's D.

Other than the year Favre broke his thumb (the year Green went off the charts production wise), the packers have always been a pass-oriented team and had decent passing totals.While we don't know what to fully expect from a revisted system, I don't see Favre turning into someone that hands off to RB for two downs and then only passes if it's 3rd and 5 or more.Will Favre have 35 TD again? No. Could he have 20 INT again? Maybe. If healthy will he hit 3500 passing yards again? He should. Will he get 20 TD again? I don't see why not. He was the #13 QB last year in a year he had 29 INT. Can he throw more than that?I'm not saying running out and expect Top 5 numbers from Favre, but he should be a decent QB2 and most people are avoiding him for many of the reasons that have been expressed in this thread.

As far as what the new coaches want:

Under McCarthy, the Packers are going to run the ball a lot and play a purer version of the West Coast offense than previous coach Mike Sherman did. They are going back to the offense's roots, settling for short completions in the passing game more often and waiting for the right moment to take shots downfield.

Will this change players numbers at all? I guess Favre should do OK. Is Driver OK in this system? Hes a small dude.

 

[David Yudkin]

With the GB running game having some questions, I see him passing a fair amount.

The way that he has turned the ball over recently, I can't see anyway in which this is a good thing. Especially for a team that has gone out and tried to improve it's D.

Other than the year Favre broke his thumb (the year Green went off the charts production wise), the packers have always been a pass-oriented team and had decent passing totals.While we don't know what to fully expect from a revisted system, I don't see Favre turning into someone that hands off to RB for two downs and then only passes if it's 3rd and 5 or more.Will Favre have 35 TD again? No. Could he have 20 INT again? Maybe. If healthy will he hit 3500 passing yards again? He should. Will he get 20 TD again? I don't see why not. He was the #13 QB last year in a year he had 29 INT. Can he throw more than that?I'm not saying running out and expect Top 5 numbers from Favre, but he should be a decent QB2 and most people are avoiding him for many of the reasons that have been expressed in this thread.

As far as what the new coaches want:

Under McCarthy, the Packers are going to run the ball a lot and play a purer version of the West Coast offense than previous coach Mike Sherman did. They are going back to the offense's roots, settling for short completions in the passing game more often and waiting for the right moment to take shots downfield.

Will this change players numbers at all? I guess Favre should do OK. Is Driver OK in this system? Hes a small dude.

It's the "run the ball a lot" part that I am curious about. Green can't go yet, Davenport has his own health/recovery issues, who knows about how much Gado has in terms of durability and knowledge of the offense, etc.I'm sure most teams say they want to establish the run and run more . . . but it sounds easier than it is to accomplish.

 

[CalBear]

There is zero chance that a healthy Favre gets pulled or takes himself out. He could get injured, of course.

You'd see more rushing attempts but marginally less RB production with Rodgers. Driver and the WRs would take a big hit. From a fantasy perspective, the defense would probably be unaffected.

 

[ookook]

I apologize ahead of time for this, but this has to be THE MOST STUPID POST I HAVE EVER READ IN THE SHARK POOL!

Not only is there some reason for optimism in Titletown, but if there is one thing Brett Favre has earned it is that no one should get away with suggesting he is a quitter.

In the NFC North, they will be in competition until at least game 11 or so.

So, no way does he retire or take himself out. And who would they try to bring along by benching him? Rogers? No way.

STUPID POST.

Bad form, lack of tact, and every curse I can think of.

As for Brett Favre "done" that also is silly. On a bad team maybe, but his turnovers are bad decisions in bad situations, not physical problems. Silly Jurb, very silly.

Did you read Reaerview SOS article at all?

 

[jurb26]

As for Brett Favre "done" that also is silly. On a bad team maybe, but his turnovers are bad decisions in bad situations, not physical problems. Silly Jurb, very silly.

LOL, GB is a bad team.

 

[Kiko13]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

I'm not sure why people insist on saying he's washed up? Take a look at what happened last year and how he played as the season went on (not "how" good or bad, but "how" as in his style).His first 6 games, his fantasy points were (FBG scoring) 8.0, 29.0, 15.4, 31.3, 23.6, 23.8. For someone who is supposedly washed up those are pretty solid numbers (3 300 yard games and 3 games of 3 or more TD's). Now at this point in the season the Packers were 1-5 which included 4 losses by 3 points or less. I really felt Favre changed his style of play due to feeling frustrated with the losses and needed to find a way to still have fun out on the field (or maybe try anything to get a win even if it wasn't his normal style). I noticed he started to throw really long passes that almost seemed like hail-mary type passes. Almost like he was saying to himself as he threw, "ah, what the hell, what do I have to lose, we're freaking 1-5." He seemed out of control on these passes and would throw 4-5 a game (often these resulted in INT's and is a big reason for having so many last year). When he'd throw a line drive pass 20 yards in the middle of the field he completed it every time. Those passes showed me he still had it. The question now is, if the Packers start out horrible again will Favre do the same thing? My guess is yes. But I doubt we see him throwing dumb hail-mary type passes early in the season. We'll see the real Favre for as long as their record remains decent. He may not be in his prime, but there is no question in my mind that he still has it as long as he WANTS to have. With as late as you can draft him this year I would definitely take him.

 

[jurb26]

There is zero chance that a healthy Favre gets pulled or takes himself out. He could get injured, of course.

Again, why is this? How many teams are going to leave a QB in there who throws for nearly 2 INTs a game not to mention his 70.9 QB rating (not even top 30 in the NFL and behind the likes of Harrington, Boller and Wright)? Are you saying there is no way Favre plays this badly again or simply that he is permited to get away with it?

 

[ookook]

There is zero chance that a healthy Favre gets pulled or takes himself out. He could get injured, of course.

Again, why is this? How many teams are going to leave a QB in there who throws fro nearly 2 INTs a game not to mention his 70.9 QB rating (not even top 30 in the NFL and behind the likes of Harrington, Boller and Wright)? Are you saying there is no way Favre plays this badly again or simply that he is permited to get away with it?

Both.

 

[jurb26]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

I'm not sure why people insist on saying he's washed up? Take a look at what happened last year and how he played as the season went on (not "how" good or bad, but "how" as in his style).His first 6 games, his fantasy points were (FBG scoring) 8.0, 29.0, 15.4, 31.3, 23.6, 23.8. For someone who is supposedly washed up those are pretty solid numbers (3 300 yard games and 3 games of 3 or more TD's). Now at this point in the season the Packers were 1-5 which included 4 losses by 3 points or less. I really felt Favre changed his style of play due to feeling frustrated with the losses and needed to find a way to still have fun out on the field (or maybe try anything to get a win even if it wasn't his normal style). I noticed he started to throw really long passes that almost seemed like hail-mary type passes. Almost like he was saying to himself as he threw, "ah, what the hell, what do I have to lose, we're freaking 1-5." He seemed out of control on these passes and would throw 4-5 a game (often these resulted in INT's and is a big reason for having so many last year). When he'd throw a line drive pass 20 yards in the middle of the field he completed it every time. Those passes showed me he still had it. The question now is, if the Packers start out horrible again will Favre do the same thing? My guess is yes. But I doubt we see him throwing dumb hail-mary type passes early in the season. We'll see the real Favre for as long as their record remains decent. He may not be in his prime, but there is no question in my mind that he still has it as long as he WANTS to have. With as late as you can draft him this year I would definitely take him.

What happened in the 1st 4 games is that Favre threw 8 INTs in those 4 games. 3 of those 3 point loss games are in that span. Then take his pultry 5 INT day vs Cinci. A game in which the still managed to loose by only a TD. You don't think 2 INTs per game makes a difference there? I highly disagree. What about this O is giving you all such opstimism?

 

[CalBear]

There is zero chance that a healthy Favre gets pulled or takes himself out. He could get injured, of course.

Again, why is this? How many teams are going to leave a QB in there who throws for nearly 2 INTs a game not to mention his 70.9 QB rating (not even top 30 in the NFL and behind the likes of Harrington, Boller and Wright)? Are you saying there is no way Favre plays this badly again or simply that he is permited to get away with it?

Favre is a deity in Green Bay. "How many" teams would leave him in there isn't really germane; Green Bay will leave him in there as long as he wants to play. And he will want to play as long as he can.

 

[Boone22]

August 1, 2006, 08:24

Packers :: QB, DB

QB Favre Picked Off Five Times Yesterday

Bob McGinn, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel - [Full Article]

QB Brett Favre fired an incredible five interceptions Monday afternoon in practice. CB Charles Woodson picked off three of them. Just as he does after almost every play, HC Mike McCarthy spoke with Favre immediately after the interceptions. "What do you want me to say?" OC Jeff Jagodzinski said. "No, that's not acceptable. And let me tell you. We're going to get it corrected."

 

[jurb26]

There is zero chance that a healthy Favre gets pulled or takes himself out. He could get injured, of course.

Again, why is this? How many teams are going to leave a QB in there who throws for nearly 2 INTs a game not to mention his 70.9 QB rating (not even top 30 in the NFL and behind the likes of Harrington, Boller and Wright)? Are you saying there is no way Favre plays this badly again or simply that he is permited to get away with it?

Favre is a deity in Green Bay. "How many" teams would leave him in there isn't really germane; Green Bay will leave him in there as long as he wants to play. And he will want to play as long as he can.

So you are basically saying that no matter how poorly Favre plays he will not get pulled. He can have a Blanda-esc season of 42 INTs and the GB coaches and fans will just turn the other cheek because of his name? Come on now. Like I said, if this is so I wouldn't expect to keep my job too long if I were a GB coach. From the snippet that Boone just provided, it does not look like they will tolerat the TOs this year.

 

[Kiko13]

What happened in the 1st 4 games is that Favre threw 8 INTs in those 4 games. 3 of those 3 point loss games are in that span. Then take his pultry 5 INT day vs Cinci. A game in which the still managed to loose by only a TD. You don't think 2 INTs per game makes a difference there? I highly disagree. What about this O is giving you all such opstimism?

Sure it was 8 INT's in 4 games, but look at the individual games:vs. Detroit 201 yards, 0 TD, 2 int - bad gamevs. Cleveland 342 yards, 3 TD, 2 int - very good gamevs. Tampa Bay 195 yards, 2 TD, 3 int - bad gamevs. Carolina 303 yards, 4 TD, 1 int - very good game2 very good games and 2 bad games. You're making it sound like he played terrible in all 4 games by averaging 2 INT's per game. Yes, INT's are going to have an affect on games, but Favre has always been the type of guy that is willing to try to hit his receiver despite a guy being all over him, ..., and still complete it. Once in a while it's going to get picked off. I'll take that trade off because more often than not that type of play gets the team down the field.And by the way, I never said anything about the offense giving me any optimism. I doubt the Packers reach 0.500 this season. All my point was was that Favre still has the ability to be a very good quarterback. As a team they may still end up sucking, but Favre gives them the best chance of not sucking as bad as last year.

 

[jurb26]

And by the way, I never said anything about the offense giving me any optimism. I doubt the Packers reach 0.500 this season. All my point was was that Favre still has the ability to be a very good quarterback. As a team they may still end up sucking, but Favre gives them the best chance of not sucking as bad as last year.

Probably the best arguement I have heard on this yet.

 

[phillzphan]

I apologize ahead of time for this, but this has to be THE MOST STUPID POST I HAVE EVER READ IN THE SHARK POOL!Not only is there some reason for optimism in Titletown, but if there is one thing Brett Favre has earned it is that no one should get away with suggesting he is a quitter. In the NFC North, they will be in competition until at least game 11 or so. So, no way does he retire or take himself out. And who would they try to bring along by benching him? Rogers? No way.STUPID POST. Bad form, lack of tact, and every curse I can think of.As for Brett Favre "done" that also is silly. On a bad team maybe, but his turnovers are bad decisions in bad situations, not physical problems. Silly Jurb, very silly. Did you read Reaerview SOS article at all?

um...your post is probably the most ridiculous thing i've ever read. do you have so much manlove for favre that much that you get heated by this?

In the NFC North, they will be in competition until at least game 11 or so.

Are you expecting them to be running with the Bears who should be even better than last year? Vikings got a lot better too. OH wait...Lions got even better. I don't even think they make it to game 11. And by saying they make it to "game 11 or so" is showing me that you realize yourself that they are not a good team. especially because you say the nfc north is bad the line before. good move. If they aren't doing anything, and the 36 year old Favre who d!cked around with them SO much in the offseason is tossing a couple picks a game...why not get their future started? why would they waste their time?I think Jurb has a great point. 29 INTS. 70 QB rating. 4 wins. hmmm......

 

[Ghoti]

This thread is absurd.

An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".

I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

 

[ImTheScientist]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

see 2005 stats

 

[pigskinliquors]

Favre believes that this year's team is "the most talented" of his tenure?!

 

[jurb26]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

 

[David Yudkin]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

see 2005 stats

Q: How many QB had 3,800 passing yards and 20 passing TD in 2005?A: Palmer, Brady, and Favre.

 

[phillzphan]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

Manning 2005: 3747 yards 28 TD 10 INT. 104.1 passer rating. team record: 14-2Favre 2005: 3881 yards 20 TD 29 INT. 70.9 passer rating. team record: 4-12

 

[David Yudkin]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

Because guys like Harrington are not multiple MVP winners and sure fire HOFers.

 

[jurb26]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

see 2005 stats

Q: How many QB had 3,800 passing yards and 20 passing TD in 2005?A: Palmer, Brady, and Favre.

Q: How many QBs have passed for more Ints in the HISTORY of the NFL than Favre did last year?A: Only 10. Link

 

[phillzphan]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

Because guys like Harrington are not multiple MVP winners and sure fire HOFers.

That was back in the day though. Teams didn't start Jerry Rice until he died. Why do the Packers seem to be committed to do that with Favre?

 

[jurb26]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

Because guys like Harrington are not multiple MVP winners and sure fire HOFers.

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

 

[T Man]

If they are playing this bad, I think Favre will either take himself out, or have coaches take him out.

I'm not a huge Favre fan, but I cannot envision him ever taking himself out of a game or having the coaches take him out. If the Pack is out of the hunt eqarly, they should pull Favre and see what they have in Rogers, but I also cannot see McCarthy doing that. Favre is an icon in GB, and they can't treat him like that. So Favre is in unless and until he gets hurt.

 

[CalBear]

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

Whether it's absurd or not is not really the question. It's the reality. Deal with it.

 

[jurb26]

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

Whether it's absurd or not is not really the question. It's the reality. Deal with it.

Your reality is in direct contrast to the coaches comments.

 

[CalBear]

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

Whether it's absurd or not is not really the question. It's the reality. Deal with it.

Your reality is in direct contrast to the coaches comments.

The coach didn't say "we'll pull Favre". He said 5 INTs are unacceptable. Of course he's going to say that; what other reaction would you expect?

 

[T Man]

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

Whether it's absurd or not is not really the question. It's the reality. Deal with it.

Your reality is in direct contrast to the coaches comments.

Coaches say a lot of things, but pulling the plug on Favre - an icon - could be a coach killer. I would suspect that Thompson wouldn't mind, but he could not even pull the plug when Favre was playing the "I don't know if I want to play game". And, he could always pass it off as McCarthy's decision.I agree if he stinks it up, or if the Pack is out of it, he should be benched. The team will need to see if Rogers can be the man. I just don't see it happening absent an injury.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Who do they pull him for? 29 ints or not, the offense would not be better under Rodgers...

 

[pigskinliquors]

Who do they pull him for? 29 ints or not, the offense would not be better under Rodgers...

I fully agree that the offense would not be better under Rodgers THIS YEAR. As a Cheddarhead, I would hope that the Packer organization has some sense of urgency for the future. The longer Rodgers sits, the longer it is going to take to move onto the next page of Packer history. Had Rodgers been able to play some last year, they would have had a much better idea if he is their future, and they may have drafted differently this year. If they wait another year, the entire rebuilding phase will be pushed back even farther.

 

[David Yudkin]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

Because guys like Harrington are not multiple MVP winners and sure fire HOFers.

That was back in the day though. Teams didn't start Jerry Rice until he died. Why do the Packers seem to be committed to do that with Favre?

Favre will be 37. Is there anything in the U.S. Constitution that mandates Favre HAS to start for GB? Of course not. But he is an icon. Other then the interceptions, Favre still had decent numbers in other categories, and I'm not sold that the Green Bay Packers = Brett Favre. There were reasons why the team went 4-12, and I'd be hard pressed to pin that solely on Favre.Teams didn't start Rice until he died, but he was still starting at 37--and he still posted 3 Top 25 seasons beyond that.Since you mentioned age as an issue, I looked up how many QB age 37 or older had at least 240 fantasy points in a season . . .Steve Young 1998 37 421.90 (QB 1)Rich Gannon 2002 37 362.05 (QB 2)Warren Moon 1995 39 337.60 (QB 3)John Elway 1997 37 306.55 (QB 4)Roger Staubach 1979 37 293.50 (QB 3)Warren Moon 1997 41 277.90 (QB 7)Warren Moon 1994 38 271.70 (QB 6)Doug Flutie 1999 37 271.25 (QB 7)Warren Moon 1993 37 257.75 (QB 4)Dan Marino 1998 37 257.55 (QB 10)Vinny Testaverde 2000 37 248.80 (QB 12)Fran Tarkenton 1978 38 246.80 (QB 6)Doug Flutie 2001 39 240.40 (QB 17)You can come to your own conclusions, but IMO that shows some pretty decent production for seasoned QB. Favre may or may not be someone on that list at this time next year, but I don't think being 37 is a death knell for quarterbacks.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

This thread is absurd. An injury could happen, but anticipating injury for Favre seems a little silly, given his history. You might as well start a thread for "What will happen if Payton Manning stops playing midseason".I have a hard time imagining Favre being pulled or bagging the season.

How exactly is it absurd when guys like Harrington and Boller both got pulled (and are continually whipping boys of Poor QB play) yet played better than Favre and their teams won more games with them?

Because guys like Harrington are not multiple MVP winners and sure fire HOFers.

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

 

[ookook]

Okay Jurb, I am in.

What kind of signature bet would you like about Favre?

Name it.

Name....it!

How about whether or not Facre will be a top 20 fantasy QB? That would make your assertions pretty ######ed right, if he is still a top 20 QB?

 

[imeimex]

Okay Jurb, I am in.What kind of signature bet would you like about Favre?Name it. Name....it!How about whether or not Facre will be a top 20 fantasy QB? That would make your assertions pretty ######ed right, if he is still a top 20 QB?

How about Favre will not outperform Harrington. I would think that as a Lions fan you should still respect Favres' talent. He has only had one losing season in his career. As a Bears fan I am not ready to write him off, and I will bet that he tears apart the Lions defense in each of their meetings this year. Sometimes players are forced into situations where they try to do too much, and the Packers injury woes forced Favre into this situation last year. Bears and Lions fans should know better than anyone what Favre can mean for a team, seeing as how we have probably had about 30 different starting quarterbacks during his reign.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Okay Jurb, I am in.What kind of signature bet would you like about Favre?Name it. Name....it!How about whether or not Facre will be a top 20 fantasy QB? That would make your assertions pretty ######ed right, if he is still a top 20 QB?

How about Favre will not outperform Harrington. I would think that as a Lions fan you should still respect Favres' talent. He has only had one losing season in his career. As a Bears fan I am not ready to write him off, and I will bet that he tears apart the Lions defense in each of their meetings this year. Sometimes players are forced into situations where they try to do too much, and the Packers injury woes forced Favre into this situation last year. Bears and Lions fans should know better than anyone what Favre can mean for a team, seeing as how we have probably had about 30 different starting quarterbacks during his reign.

Ummm. You do know that Harrington no longer plays for the Lions don't you?

 

[imeimex]

Okay Jurb, I am in.What kind of signature bet would you like about Favre?Name it. Name....it!How about whether or not Facre will be a top 20 fantasy QB? That would make your assertions pretty ######ed right, if he is still a top 20 QB?

How about Favre will not outperform Harrington. I would think that as a Lions fan you should still respect Favres' talent. He has only had one losing season in his career. As a Bears fan I am not ready to write him off, and I will bet that he tears apart the Lions defense in each of their meetings this year. Sometimes players are forced into situations where they try to do too much, and the Packers injury woes forced Favre into this situation last year. Bears and Lions fans should know better than anyone what Favre can mean for a team, seeing as how we have probably had about 30 different starting quarterbacks during his reign.

Ummm. You do know that Harrington no longer plays for the Lions don't you?

Ummmm yeah, what I was getting at is a Lions fan should not be wripping on Favre.

 

[jurb26]

Okay Jurb, I am in.What kind of signature bet would you like about Favre?Name it. Name....it!How about whether or not Facre will be a top 20 fantasy QB? That would make your assertions pretty ######ed right, if he is still a top 20 QB?

How about Favre will not outperform Harrington. I would think that as a Lions fan you should still respect Favres' talent. He has only had one losing season in his career. As a Bears fan I am not ready to write him off, and I will bet that he tears apart the Lions defense in each of their meetings this year. Sometimes players are forced into situations where they try to do too much, and the Packers injury woes forced Favre into this situation last year. Bears and Lions fans should know better than anyone what Favre can mean for a team, seeing as how we have probably had about 30 different starting quarterbacks during his reign.

Ummm. You do know that Harrington no longer plays for the Lions don't you?

Ummmm yeah, what I was getting at is a Lions fan should not be wripping on Favre.

I'm not a Lions fan. Favre vs Lions last year:

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK  OPP  |  CMP  ATT   PYD  TD  INT |  RSH	YD  TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+|  1  det  |   27   44   201   0   2  |	1	-1   0 || 14  det  |   21   31   170   0   1  |	1	 7   0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+

 

[jurb26]

This is absurd. So he is permited to play as poorly as he wants because 5 years ago he was great.

Whether it's absurd or not is not really the question. It's the reality. Deal with it.

Your reality is in direct contrast to the coaches comments.

The coach didn't say "we'll pull Favre". He said 5 INTs are unacceptable. Of course he's going to say that; what other reaction would you expect?

I never claimed Favre would be pulled unless he played that badly or worse. You and a whole bunch of others seem to think he can throw 3 INTs a game with absolutly no repercutions what so ever. Whats hilariously funny is that if you replace the name Favre with Vick, I'm sure the pitch forks come out by the bundle in a thread like this. GB the bias of public opinion.

 

[GreenNGold]

The only way Favre will not finish the season is if he gets injured.

Favre is a God in the entire state of Wisconsin and no matter how bad he plays, he will not be benched if not only to keep his record consecutive string of starts alive. Barring injury, worst case scenario is the team forces him into retirement at the end of this season.

 

[CalBear]

I never claimed Favre would be pulled unless he played that badly or worse. You and a whole bunch of others seem to think he can throw 3 INTs a game with absolutly no repercutions what so ever. Whats hilariously funny is that if you replace the name Favre with Vick, I'm sure the pitch forks come out by the bundle in a thread like this. GB the bias of public opinion.

Once again: I'm not talking about what I think should happen, I'm talking about what I think will happen. Vick is not deified the way Favre is; sitting Favre would be more like sitting Cal Ripken or Lou Gherig during their streaks. Even long after Cal's worthwhile productivity had passed, he was still starting.