If Favre stops playing midseason (1 Viewer)

[cr8f]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints? Looks like a sucker bet to me

Everywhere you go you do nothing but bash the Packers. Step up to my psych couch. What is the real problem? Spill the beans man.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints? Looks like a sucker bet to me

he was 21/30 last year...he re-gained 2 of his top 3 RBs that were out last year...he has his #1 WR (Driver) back... his #3 WR (Ferguson) is back... and they added 2 guys who are both better than who he ended upwith at #1 (Chatman) last year...his TEs are all back (tehy were all out last year)...the 2 rookies on the OL are better than the guys from last year (who I think are still around, too)...even if we add 1 TD and take away one pick for each of those + additions, we're at, what? 31/20?? I realize that isn't scientific, but Favre had NO TEAM last year, he might as well have been trying to throw the ball to himself...

 

[Kleck.]

Hey Jurb, I've been around the boards long enough and read enough of your posts to know that you know football. I would simply add this to the conversation.As a lifelong Packer fan, I'm not sure how many people outside the Packer "Clan" understand how much Favre has meant to us and the organization. We were the "Bengals" for the previous 15-20 years before the Wolfe-Holmgren-Favre-White 4-some rescued us from purgatory. What's ironic is how Favre's first miracle victory was against the Bengals and it's even weirder that I live in Ohio.In those early days, we Packer fans got to watch a wild-eyed young QB, make Incredible play followed by Silly Play a lot. Even through the frustration of that, he slowly got better. He made throws that were not even on the charts for 90% of the QB's I'd ever seen play. He took chances that were not even on the charts for 90% of QB's I've ever seen play. More often than not the Chances benefited the team but often they did not. We learned to live with that for 2 reasons. He WAS the best chance we had to WIN in our lifetime since the late 60's ... AND ... he was literally the most exciting player the Packers had ever had.Mike Holmgren OWNS the key, to this very DAY, that made Favre a 3-time MVP, and a legend. He understood HOW to get Favre to go though several progressions BEFORE he started to make things up. We all know the result. The Holmgren/Favre combo was synergy in action and the minute Mike left I knew we may never see that level of greatness again.But even that's OK. Favre still did great things after Mike left and also did stupid things. The combination of Ray Rhodes and Mike Sherman NEVER had the "magic" it took to corral his gambler instincts. However, you can't discount a player who makes EVERY player on the team think thay have a CHANCE to win, no matter the circumstances. That ONE guy who can make a team feel that way is so rare in this league, that we as Packer fans, were willing to live with the gambles, and in my stupid little opinion it was worth EVERY second.Most franchises would seriously consider looking at another QB, if you ONLY looked at last year's QB stats. We don't just look at ONE year. You and every Favre doubter out there have valid points based on JUST last year. But I personally don't care about just last year. Even if he is declining, even if he does take too many chances, I DON'T CARE! Our franchise is doing the right thing and allowing one of the greatest players in it's history to finish out. I don't care if it isn't perfect. I don't care if the backup QB has to wait. He's still in the top 3rd of QB's in this league, again in my stupid little opinion. I can't wait to see him play again.I'll finish with one basic question to all serious football fans.If you had a QB, who in 14 starting seasons with YOUR Favorite team:Was a 3-time MVPan 8-time Pro Bowlerwas 3rd all-time in WINS by a QBis 1st, 2nd or 3rd in almost all major passing catagorieshad 12 (TWELVE) winning seasons, one 8-8 season and last year's 4-12which in essence is 13 CONSECUTIVE non-losing seasons till last year ...and has played in EVERY SINGLE F**king game since he became the starter, shattering the consecutive game record ...would you be HAPPY if your team shrugged him aside after his FIRST losing season EVER when everyone BUT him got hurt?????I'd only ask you guys to consider this question carefully and then understand that we Packer fans, in general, WANT him to play again for all the reasons above.(To other Packer fans I didn't mean to speak for you all but hopefully you'll give me a bit of leeway here.)

You can speak for me.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints? Looks like a sucker bet to me

Everywhere you go you do nothing but bash the Packers. Step up to my psych couch. What is the real problem? Spill the beans man.

Big Score is a Packer troll. Nice job on calling him out.

 

[ookook]

After watching the GB-ATL game, I can only say that Favre SHOULD have announced his retirement at the press conference last week.

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The dude is just holding the team hostage and should let them move on. Maybe they could put him on the PUP list.

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BTW, that is 2-0 for those keeping pre-season score.....

 

[Big Score]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints?

Looks like a sucker bet to me

Everywhere you go you do nothing but bash the Packers. Step up to my psych couch. What is the real problem? Spill the beans man.

Look, I'm not trying to "Bash" the Packers, I'm trying to judge them with an uncritical eye. I'm looking at all NFL teams and trying to slot their talent. Goes a long way in deciding what players to draft for your fantasy football team.For example;

I honestly don't think the Pack will have a very good running game this year. Ditto their pass D. As a result I figure the Pack to be in a lot of shootouts. Say what you want about Favre and his declining skills, the man can still sling it and thus Driver will be a player from the Pack I'll be targeting.

I do like Jennings and think he'll pan out, Hodge looks good and I feel that Hawk will eventually settle in. Oh! And I think Rodgers is going to be Ok. But I honestly see more questions than answers.

Tell you what though, getting back to the overall team. Instead of me listing all the questions I and many others have, why don't you explain the reasons for there being no / not many concerns in regards to the Packers?

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To add (not many)

 

[meanjoegreen]

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The Falcons don't have a weak defense. They had problems against the run last year, but they were good against the pass. They took care of some of the run problems in the offseason.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The Falcons don't have a weak defense. They had problems against the run last year, but they were good against the pass. They took care of some of the run problems in the offseason.

You missed the in his post.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The Falcons don't have a weak defense. They had problems against the run last year, but they were good against the pass. They took care of some of the run problems in the offseason.

You missed the in his post.

I must have missed it. I didn't see anywhere in there where he was kidding. Even at the bottom where he said that is 2-0 preseason for those keeping score. The Chargers beat GB so I wasn't sure what he meant.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The Falcons don't have a weak defense. They had problems against the run last year, but they were good against the pass. They took care of some of the run problems in the offseason.

You missed the in his post.

I must have missed it. I didn't see anywhere in there where he was kidding. Even at the bottom where he said that is 2-0 preseason for those keeping score. The Chargers beat GB so I wasn't sure what he meant.

:whoosh:

 

[meanjoegreen]

Even against a weak DEF like the Falcons, he clearly struggled and was again frusterated.

The Falcons don't have a weak defense. They had problems against the run last year, but they were good against the pass. They took care of some of the run problems in the offseason.

You missed the in his post.

I must have missed it. I didn't see anywhere in there where he was kidding. Even at the bottom where he said that is 2-0 preseason for those keeping score. The Chargers beat GB so I wasn't sure what he meant.

:whoosh:

He can't be talking about GB being 2-0 in the preseason, because they are 1-1.

 

[ookook]

2 TDs and 0 INTs

I liked the part about putting him on the PUP list best.

Sarcasm? Me? Whoddathunk....

 

[jurb26]

Sounds fine. I really do think that with the right coach he would be lots better...but am forced to agree this probably isn't in the cards.

Week 1 bump.

 

[jurb26]

Early score is 2 INTs, 0 TDs.

 

[jurb26]

Week 2 3 TDs, 3 INTs

 

[ookook]

Yep, that would be all even up.

Q: "Can ya sees whose winnen, Maw?"

A: "No Paw, it looks like a ded heet"

 

[jurb26]

Big day for Favre:

6 TDs, 3 INTs

 

[pigskinliquors]

Big day for Favre:6 TDs, 3 INTs

As somebody who started Favre in two leagues yesterday As somebody who placed a signature bet in this thread

 

[Foosball God]

If they are playing this bad, I think Favre will either take himself out, or have coaches take him out.

 

[ookook]

Looks to me like the last time the INTs will come close to the TDs.

Not just because GB might be a little (but not much) better than people gave them credit for.

Mostly because:

(a) Brett is throwing the ball away more instead of trying to make something happen no matter what. Will he continue to do that if they are behind 10+ points? Not sure. But there soft schedule might help.

(b) The play calling is a little better and therefore less predictable. GB needs to throw on some passing downs and run on some passing downs or they are toast week-in, week-out.

© Maybe, just maybe, they are really going to use the screens and sweeps more like htey did in the second half. Now I know it was because the DET D-line was stifling the run, but is really important in the west coast offense.

 

[phillzphan]

If they are playing this bad, I think Favre will either take himself out, or have coaches take him out.

i guess you're missing the conditional statement: "If they are playing this bad".

 

[jurb26]

Favre Struggles:

6 TDs, 5 INTs now.

 

[Billy1x]

It takes at least three full years to learn the West Coast offense. He has at least another year on the bench!

 

[Foosball God]

If they are playing this bad, I think Favre will either take himself out, or have coaches take him out.

i guess you're missing the conditional statement: "If they are playing this bad".

Farve has too big of an ego to ever take himself out, or have the coaches take him out.

 

[ceo3west]

So Favre gets within 20 TD's of the all time record, and he's going to take himself out midseason? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Favre Struggles:6 TDs, 5 INTs now.

I'm liking my prediction of 24 TD's and 25 INT's right about now.

 

[beef]

They will all likely improve. Favre is washed up.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints? Looks like a sucker bet to me

 

[ookook]

Okay Jurb, how about betting that Favre will throw more TDs than INTs this season?

2 rookies will be starting on the O'line, RB position is still up in the air, their #1 WR got traded away and Favre has always been a gunslinging gambler.So given the above known circumstances, why on earth would anyone want to bet Favre throws more TD's than ints? Looks like a sucker bet to me

Well, let us evaluate Favre so far. He is currently on track to throw 21 TDs or so and about 11 INTs. Anybody else want some sucker bets?Hey Jurb, you got any crows hanging out in your yard?-OOK!

 

[Aaronstory]

Favre Struggles:6 TDs, 5 INTs now.

I'm liking my prediction of 24 TD's and 25 INT's right about now.

As am I, for it's pure comic genius.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I just Ran Stats Dominator to find examples of QB's age 30 or more with 25+ Interceptions in a season since 1980. The list turned up 11 examples:

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT 1 Brett Favre qb 2005 36 15 16 372 607 3881 6.39 20 29 251.25 2 Vinny Testaverde qb 2000 37 14 16 328 590 3732 6.33 21 25 248.80 3 Bobby Hebert qb 1996 36 12 14 294 488 3152 6.46 22 25 232.50 4 Warren Moon qb 1986 30 3 15 256 488 3489 7.15 13 26 228.15 5 Tommy Kramer qb 1985 30 9 15 277 506 3522 6.96 19 26 231.50 6 Lynn Dickey qb 1983 34 13 16 289 484 4458 9.21 32 29 341.10 7 Joe Ferguson qb 1983 33 11 16 281 508 2995 5.90 26 25 237.55 8 Richard Todd qb 1983 30 8 16 308 518 3478 6.71 18 26 230.00 9 Brian Sipe qb 1981 32 8 16 313 567 3876 6.84 17 25 258.10 10 Lynn Dickey qb 1980 31 10 16 278 478 3529 7.38 15 25 218.55 11 Ken Stabler qb 1980 35 11 16 293 457 3202 7.01 13 28 181.90 Thus, 9 of 11 had more INT's than TD's (only Dickey and Ferguson in 1983 had more TD's)

In the following year, the TD' to INT ratio for each was:

2 Vinny Testaverde 2001 = 15/14

3 Bobby Hebert 1997 = DNP

4 Warren Moon 1987 = 21/18

5 Tommy Kramer 1986 = 24/10

6 Lynn Dickey 1984 = 25/19

7 Joe Ferguson 1984 = 12/17

8 Richard Todd 1984 = 11/19

9 Brian Sipe 1982 = 4/8 (only played 6 games)

10 Lynn Dickey 1981 = 17/15

11 Ken Stabler qb 1981 = 14/18

Thus, following a 25 INT season NONE of the 8 (not including the incomplete seasons) even threw for 20 INT's in the following season. Additionally:

5 threw more TD's than INT's

3 threw more INT's than TD's

I'm not sure what this says, but it does reveal that posting a large number of INT's in back to back seasons is unlikely (using 25 as a high number). It also reveals that while most bounced back to have better seasons, only Kramer in 1986 had a good TD/INT ratio in the following year.

I'm sticking with my 24/25 prediction for Brett this year, though a reduction in both numbers makes sense looking at the past examples of 25+ INT's.

It looks like I certainly overshot both numbers for this year, and should have followed the trend statistics I posted above. He's on pace for 20.45/16.36 for 15 games; or 21.8/17.45 pro-rated to 16 games (similar to many of the past qb's with high INT numbers in season "a"). Barring very poor outings against SF, DET, MN & CHI I will gladly be changing my signature at the end of the season. IF this is Brett's last year, it's been a great ride, and I'd love to have him announce prior to the Bear's game, so they can highlight the game a bit more, and give him a well-deserved send-off.

 

[ookook]

Ruhh Roow, Raggy!

Another game like the Lions' game and Favre will start to deserve all the bad smack!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Extrapolating Favre's results from MN (2 TD's 0 INT's) and CHI (0 TD's 2 INT's) earlier in the year (pretty good estimates IMO), Brett ends up with 19 INT's and 17 TD's. IF Brett has a sub-par game next week (in GB, which I don't expect) it could make for an interesting final week @ Chicago

 

[ookook]

I think we have to count Favre for an INT against the Vikings.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I think we have to count Favre for an INT against the Vikings.

Considering that he's played in 14 games and has 7 games w/o an INT (3 at home, 4 on the road), I'd say the odds are pretty even

 

[pigskinliquors]

One full game and 12:00 left and it's all tied up:

17 to 17

 

[ookook]

Against the Bears I say 2 INTs and 1 TD.

 

[pigskinliquors]

...and it all comes down to tonight's game! Best of luck to all involved in the signature bet. I don't care if I win or lose it. I'd love Favre to have a great game, and have it be close; though not having to have a new signature would also be nice. Here's to everyone and Happy New Year!

 

[ookook]

Jurb and Pig:I would say if he gets pulled or injured but has more INTs than TDs at the time I lose (and vice versa). Let us sort out verbage too.I would be willing to add to my sig bar:"Brett Favre was washed up two seasons ago and has not been good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL for at least that long."

So I am guessing that based on this wording, we were a wash gentlemen?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Fair enough. For what it's worth, I still believe it's a coin flip = a great sig bet. IF this is his last year, I hope that I'm wrong and that he posts more solid numbers. I also hope that IF it is his last season, that he announces it prior to the end of the year, so that at least Chicago and MN (SF & Seattle would also be great) can give him a retirement ceremony. It's been a blast watching him through the years!

I'm sticking with my 24/25 prediction for Brett this year, though a reduction in both numbers makes sense looking at the past examples of 25+ INT's.

Nothing was gained in this transaction! As I postulated at the beginning of the thread, this was a good signature bet, as it literally was a coin flip for which way it could have gone.

 

[ookook]

I must recant everything I said in this thread last season.

Favre is toast. His skills are gone.

The problems he has had hte past few seasons have due to age and totally not the situation.

He should have retured mid-season last year when he had the chance!

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

there are only 3 options to consider when thinking of those who think Favre is washed up:1. they're stupid (or blind)2. they know nothing about football3. they didn't see one play of one game he played in last year

 

[PsychoMan]

I would trade today's Grossman for Favre any day (even if Favre was in his 80s).

 

[pigskinliquors]

I would trade today's Grossman for Favre any day (even if Favre was in his 80s).

I'd trade today's Grossman for Griese as well!