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SHANAHAN SAYS HENRY PASSED LIE DETECTOR TEST

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, continuing his foray into potential violations of federal law, announced on Monday that running back Travis Henry passed a lie detector test regarding the question of whether he smoked marijuana.

Henry also provided hair samples that were negative.

"If the tests were positive, Travis would not be on our football team right now," Shanahan said. "When he went back and took the hair sample and that was negative; the lie detector test and that was negative; we'll let due process take care of itself."

These other tests don't matter, since NFL rules and procedure require discipline based on a positive urine test. Period.

This is the second time in less than a year that Shanahan has suggested that he uses polygraph testing in a manner that possibly violates federal law. Generally speaking, employers can't condition future employment on passing a lie-detector test.

And where's the union on this one? Shanahan is invading the privacy of his players. Though there will be no economic harm until someone flunks a lie-detector test and is cut, it's still wrong -- and the NFLPA should move now to get a ruling that such conduct violates the CBA.

Meanwhile, we're shocked that the league is allowing this situation to continue. There's a specific system in place for disciplining players who run afoul of the substance abuse policy. Shanahan is undermining that process by declaring that Henry is clean at a time when the league's procedures indicate otherwise.

UPDATE: A reader makes a great observation -- "Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if Bill Belichick had given Rodney Harrison a lie-detector test?"

:lmao:

 
The Denver Post reports the Broncos are likely to give both Travis Henry and Selvin Young work early in Monday night's game against the Titans and use whoever is hotter the most.

In this scenario, the faster starting back would get 15-18 carries; the other would wind up with roughly 8-10. This all hinges, of course, on Henry being healthy. If Henry can't return from his knee injury, Young would start and get the vast majority of the load. This is expected to be Henry's last game with the Broncos before his one-year suspension goes into effect

Does rotoworld know something new? I thought the latest news was that Henry's hair test was negative and he had a good shot at winning.

 
The Denver Post reports the Broncos are likely to give both Travis Henry and Selvin Young work early in Monday night's game against the Titans and use whoever is hotter the most.

In this scenario, the faster starting back would get 15-18 carries; the other would wind up with roughly 8-10. This all hinges, of course, on Henry being healthy. If Henry can't return from his knee injury, Young would start and get the vast majority of the load. This is expected to be Henry's last game with the Broncos before his one-year suspension goes into effect

Does rotoworld know something new? I thought the latest news was that Henry's hair test was negative and he had a good shot at winning.
He still failed the League's drug test. I think the post before yours says it all.
 
The Denver Post reports Broncos HC Mike Shanahan has been criticized for defending RB Travis Henry in the running back’s upcoming NFL drug appeal case, to be heard Friday in Phoenix. But Shanahan felt he needed to tell the media Monday about Henry’s case, in which negative hair-sample and lie-detector tests will be presented at the appeal. Henry wanted to submit to these tests on his own. Shanahan wanted to show his support for the player and he wanted to explain why Henry hasn’t already been cut. That support likely won’t mean much. The NFL is not going to look at the outside facts. All they are concerned about is his dirty urine sample. Thus, Henry’s chances of winning this case remain a long shot, and there is a strong chance his final game will be Monday against Tennessee.
 
Not to highjack, but it seems appropriate to avoid the two this weekend if the RBBC approach is true and especially against a tough D (with Haynesworth back) and hope Selvin continues to do well the following week with the easing of the schedule.

 
Not to highjack, but it seems appropriate to avoid the two this weekend if the RBBC approach is true and especially against a tough D (with Haynesworth back) and hope Selvin continues to do well the following week with the easing of the schedule.
If Haynesworth is back, neither RB will get much on the ground. If he sits, I think both could go off. The Titans' run defense was pathetic at home this past Sunday. Even if Haynesworth returns, I think Young could be a decent RB3 in PPR leagues. He's active in the passing game and if the Broncos can't run - which they won't be able to do if Haynesworth is back - they'll throw it a ton. Young could get 4-5 receptions if that happens so while I don't think he'd have much upside I think he could be good for 30-40 yards rushing and 4-5 receptions for another 35-40 more. Unless Henry magically heals this week I can't see how he outperforms Young early in this game. If the plan is to rotate the two and then go with the guy who's playing better, it would be a major surprise if that guy wasn't Young given how good he's looked as a starter and how bad Henry has looked.
 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?

I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.

He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story

 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story
And the hair test matters not when it is not outlined as part of the CBA. If it is, then its a different story.
 
Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.
i don't think that there is a magic shampoo that will mask a Hair Test. GNC carries products for a urine sample, but not for a Hair Test.

 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story
Young owner?I hope you are right, cause I am a Young owner and would love for that down the stretch. But outside of wild speculation why do you say this?
 
Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.
i don't think that there is a magic shampoo that will mask a Hair Test. GNC carries products for a urine sample, but not for a Hair Test.
just type it into google and you will be suprised. Im not sure if any of them work, but I would assume they do.
 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story
Young owner?I hope you are right, cause I am a Young owner and would love for that down the stretch. But outside of wild speculation why do you say this?
sure am, but more concerned about the case because my best friend has Henry and we argue almost daily about this.I dont think its wild speculation. Did the NFL administer these tests? Doubtful, so why would they accept the results?
 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story
Young owner?I hope you are right, cause I am a Young owner and would love for that down the stretch. But outside of wild speculation why do you say this?
sure am, but more concerned about the case because my best friend has Henry and we argue almost daily about this.I dont think its wild speculation. Did the NFL administer these tests? Doubtful, so why would they accept the results?
I do not expect they would accept the results. I expect their results will be made clear to us in time. But I have no reason to really believe one way or the other right now. Your believing it because you and your best friend are arguing it does not leave me with a great deal of confidence however going forward. I have no reason to think that Skeletor would lie about the tests and that concerns me a great deal in terms of Young's immediate value.
 
Why are these media outlets making it seem like a passed lie detector and hair sample test will somehow save Henry's season?I dont even think polygraphs are admissible in courts, and results are not 100% anyway. Not to mention Henry passes a Hair test he knew was coming! I bet users can pass 99% of tests they know are coming.He had more mary jane in his system than agreed on in the CBA...End of story
Young owner?I hope you are right, cause I am a Young owner and would love for that down the stretch. But outside of wild speculation why do you say this?
sure am, but more concerned about the case because my best friend has Henry and we argue almost daily about this.I dont think its wild speculation. Did the NFL administer these tests? Doubtful, so why would they accept the results?
I do not expect they would accept the results. I expect their results will be made clear to us in time. But I have no reason to really believe one way or the other right now. Your believing it because you and your best friend are arguing it does not leave me with a great deal of confidence however going forward. I have no reason to think that Skeletor would lie about the tests and that concerns me a great deal in terms of Young's immediate value.
My disagreement with my buddy is just something that keeps me interested in this case. If I was on the Henry side, I would be saying the same thing. Other points the NFL needs to take into consideration are that if Henry does get off, that opens the door to this type of thing happening again. It would set a terrible precedent for future cases. Saying if you fail a test, you have x amount of weeks to pass a hair test and a lie detector and your ok. The whole Shannahan angle has me wondering about the article earlier on this page that states Shanny could be in some hot water for a statment he made about Henry's current employment due to the lie detector test he just took. The article made it sounds like what Shanny said/did was illegal or against the CBA.
 
I just can't understand why there are so many (Shanny included) who want to believe that it's in ANY WAY possible that Henry won't get suspended. These inadvertant, after the fact Tests and sample will mean NOTHING in the end.

Fact: Henry tested positive on both his A sample and his B sample.

Fact: He had his own expert their for the B sample test.

Fact: No player has EVER won his case against the the NFL when it comes to drug testing under Goodell's reign.

Fact: Henry's been in the program and will get no leniancy.

The REAL question in this whole scenario is: Who will be the Bronco RB in 2008? Selvin or someone else?

 
Fact: Henry's been in the program and will get no leniancy.
Hahahaha... not saying I disagree with you but I just love when people declare their personal, subjective opinion as a fact.
Okay, you have me on that one. Maybe I should amend it:Fact: There has bever been a case of someone getting Leniancy once they're in the program.

Ricky Williams apealed as have others. To my knowledge, 100% of them have lost.

 
Fact: Henry's been in the program and will get no leniancy.
Hahahaha... not saying I disagree with you but I just love when people declare their personal, subjective opinion as a fact.
Okay, you have me on that one. Maybe I should amend it:Fact: There has bever been a case of someone getting Leniancy once they're in the program.

Ricky Williams apealed as have others. To my knowledge, 100% of them have lost.
I have to agree with greg here...people have stalled but never won.
 
I give up, why does anyone still care at all about this bonehead's soap opera.....he blows and has little value FF-wise or NFL-wise. This is starting to become almost as bizarre as the whole OJ obsession.

Well OK not that extreme, but similarly strange.

 
I give up, why does anyone still care at all about this bonehead's soap opera.....he blows and has little value FF-wise or NFL-wise. This is starting to become almost as bizarre as the whole OJ obsession.Well OK not that extreme, but similarly strange.
We care because Selvin Young has done a good job and would be a decent play going forward, but they keep sticking Henry in there who does nothing.
 
I give up, why does anyone still care at all about this bonehead's soap opera.....he blows and has little value FF-wise or NFL-wise. This is starting to become almost as bizarre as the whole OJ obsession.Well OK not that extreme, but similarly strange.
We care because Selvin Young has done a good job and would be a decent play going forward, but they keep sticking Henry in there who does nothing.
:towelwave: Owner of both, would love Henry to get suspended for my fantasy team's sake.As to the matter at hand, Henry sure is pulling out all the stops to avoid this suspension; I'd like to think he's innocent, but if yor're on your third strike it's hard to believe.
 
I give up, why does anyone still care at all about this bonehead's soap opera.....he blows and has little value FF-wise or NFL-wise. This is starting to become almost as bizarre as the whole OJ obsession.Well OK not that extreme, but similarly strange.
For the very reason your asking...it`s an interesting soap...we have all the elements of good drama here...and no one really can say how it will end...stay tuned :)
 
Henry might practice Thursday

Travis Henry, RB DEN

News: Broncos RB Travis Henry (knee) did not practice Wednesday as the team prepares for Week 11 vs. Tennessee. Henry did not play Week 10 against the Chiefs. According to NFL.com, Henry underwent an MRI examination and the results were "good," head coach Mike Shanahan said. "I’m hoping that he practices (Thursday)," Shanahan added. If Henry misses a second straight game, Selvin Young will once again start in his place.

Analysis: On top of the injury, Henry faces a possible suspension from the NFL as a meeting to sort out misconduct by Henry off the field looms. If healthy, consider Henry a viable No. 2 Fantasy RB against the Titans, who own one of the league's top run defenses. However, if Albert Haynesworth (hamstring) is out once again, Henry might be considered a No. 1 Fantasy RB.

:banned:

 
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As per FBG rules...There can be no less than 1 Travis Henry thread on page 1 at any time.

On a more serious note, Travis has been very banged up this season. I would think even without the possability of a suspension, The Broncos paid way too much for this guy.

If he does make it through the appeal and isnt suspended, I have a hard time seeing the broncos keeping him in a feature role.

 
Thursday update from RotoWorld. Given this news and given how Henry will be at his appeal hearing tomorrow and won't practice I can't see any way he plays Monday night. But that's just my speculation.

Travis Henry revealed Thursday that he has a partially torn PCL, but still hopes to play against the Titans on Monday night.

Henry was limited on Thursday and is not expected to practice Friday. "I feel like I can play," he said. Coach Mike Shanahan wasn't so sure. Even if Henry is active, it's almost certain that he'll be limited against Tennessee. He's not a fantasy option. Selvin Young is a solid flex start even if Henry is up.

Source: denverbroncos.com

 
Henry's injury could be good news for the Denver running game. I don't wish injury upon anyone, but this may be a blessing in disguse.

 
His hearing is tomorrow, will the ruling be on the same day? or before this sunday?
I read recently, cant remember where, that the rulings generally come out after the games. I think Shanny said something to that effect about the commissioner being a reasonable man and he wouldnt let a player practice with the team the whole week and then not play. Then again, Henry hasnt practiced, so who knows.
 
Okay the appeal has been heard and Henry is not going to be suspended. It also looks like he will start this weekend but Selvin Young will also be playing.

I know folks like Young. In the SportsIllustrated Experts league I have both Henry and Young. Henry was playing really well for the first four weeks or so. But he does have a PCL tear that is affecting his play. Let's see what the folks that frequent these boards think - will Henry outperform Young THIS week?

Will Henry outperform Young for the rest of the year?

What happens in 2008?

 
Okay the appeal has been heard and Henry is not going to be suspended. It also looks like he will start this weekend but Selvin Young will also be playing.I know folks like Young. In the SportsIllustrated Experts league I have both Henry and Young. Henry was playing really well for the first four weeks or so. But he does have a PCL tear that is affecting his play. Let's see what the folks that frequent these boards think - will Henry outperform Young THIS week?Will Henry outperform Young for the rest of the year?What happens in 2008?
Just to give full disclosure - I am starting Henry this week and leaving Young on the bench. My other RB starter is Shaun Alexander. I need a win to make the playoffs.
 

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