If Jay Cutler chokes away the NFC title game.. (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

Not sure what you mean by least complete, I feel they are right on par with the other teams..Offensive ppg:

1) Green Bay 24

2) Pittsburg 23.5

3) NY Jets 23

4) Chicago 21

Defensive ppg:

1) Pittsburg 14.5

2) Green Bay 15

3) Chicago 18

4) NY Jets 19

Special teams rankings:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

1st - Chicago

5th - NY Jets

16th - Pittsburg

27th - Green Bay

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Oh good Lord. Not impressed? They were up 28-0 in the 3rd quarter before they started coasting. If that wasn't impressive, nothing would've impressed you. That's obvious. Most people had their minds made up about the Bears before the Hawks game. There's no amount of points they could've won by that would have changed the minds of some. It doesn't mean that much. As long as they keep winning, which they have been, I'm ok with any of it.

 

[DoubleG]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

Not sure what you mean by least complete, I feel they are right on par with the other teams..Offensive ppg:

1) Green Bay 24

2) Pittsburg 23.5

3) NY Jets 23

4) Chicago 21

Defensive ppg:

1) Pittsburg 14.5

2) Green Bay 15

3) Chicago 18

4) NY Jets 19

Special teams rankings:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

1st - Chicago

5th - NY Jets

16th - Pittsburg

27th - Green Bay

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Oh good Lord. Not impressed? They were up 28-0 in the 3rd quarter before they started coasting. If that wasn't impressive, nothing would've impressed you. That's obvious. Most people had their minds made up about the Bears before the Hawks game. There's no amount of points they could've won by that would have changed the minds of some. It doesn't mean that much. As long as they keep winning, which they have been, I'm ok with any of it.

My favorite was "their running game is nothing special". The Bears rushed for 176 yards last Sunday. In two playoff wins, the Jets (who are supposed to be superb running the ball) have averaged 144.5, while the Packers in two huge wins (and one blowout) - have averaged 117 on the ground. If by "nothing special" he meant "far and away running the ball better than any of the teams in the playoffs" - then sure.

 

[FUBAR]

My favorite was "their running game is nothing special". The Bears rushed for 176 yards last Sunday. In two playoff wins, the Jets (who are supposed to be superb running the ball) have averaged 144.5, while the Packers in two huge wins (and one blowout) - have averaged 117 on the ground. If by "nothing special" he meant "far and away running the ball better than any of the teams in the playoffs" - then sure.

The Bears are going to get crushed, although I think Cutler will play okay.If you're impressed with a running game where the longest run was by Cutler, who also accounted for 43 of those yards, that's great.

 

[cr8f]

So if they lose it's because Cutler gave the game away not because Green Bay was the better team sunday?

 

[flapgreen]

My favorite was "their running game is nothing special". The Bears rushed for 176 yards last Sunday. In two playoff wins, the Jets (who are supposed to be superb running the ball) have averaged 144.5, while the Packers in two huge wins (and one blowout) - have averaged 117 on the ground. If by "nothing special" he meant "far and away running the ball better than any of the teams in the playoffs" - then sure.

The Bears are going to get crushed, although I think Cutler will play okay.If you're impressed with a running game where the longest run was by Cutler, who also accounted for 43 of those yards, that's great.

Dude that wasn't my post. Quote it correctly.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I never thought much of him to begin with. If he chokes the NFC title game away he'll meet my expectations. If he manages the game well and the Bears defense/special teams lead the Bears to victory I'll think slightly better of him. If he outplays Rodgers and leads the Bears to victory, I'll think much better of him.

 

[flapgreen]

I never thought much of him to begin with. If he chokes the NFC title game away he'll meet my expectations. If he manages the game well and the Bears defense/special teams lead the Bears to victory I'll think slightly better of him. If he outplays Rodgers and leads the Bears to victory, I'll think much better of him.

He's not Aaron Rodgers right now. I don't think you will find many fans of any team, including the Bears, that think he's that good yet. If he can help the Bears to win a Super Bowl, I don't really care if he's ever as good as Rodgers.

 

[Choke]

Chokes away? What is that?

Thats when I'm not currently at FBGs.

 

[DoubleG]

Chokes away? What is that?

Thats when I'm not currently at FBGs.

coffee everywhere. Nicely played, you *******!

 

[DoubleG]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.'

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now? Really?They have won one playoff game, at home, against a 7-9 team.

The defending world champs just lost to that team, and exactly who else are they supposed to beat?Yes, I realize that Seattle wasn't one of the better teams, but typically that's who you get to play when you have the 2nd best record in the conference. That's kinda the point.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.'

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now? Really?They have won one playoff game, at home, against a 7-9 team.

The defending world champs just lost to that team, and exactly who else are they supposed to beat?Yes, I realize that Seattle wasn't one of the better teams, but typically that's who you get to play when you have the 2nd best record in the conference. That's kinda the point.

Actually it's far from typical. It's the first time ever a team with a below .500 record made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, pretty well the opposite of typical.

 

[DoubleG]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.'

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now? Really?They have won one playoff game, at home, against a 7-9 team.

The defending world champs just lost to that team, and exactly who else are they supposed to beat?Yes, I realize that Seattle wasn't one of the better teams, but typically that's who you get to play when you have the 2nd best record in the conference. That's kinda the point.

Actually it's far from typical. It's the first time ever a team with a below .500 record made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, pretty well the opposite of typical.

<_< Now the Seahawk fans are going to lay into the Bears for beating a lousy team. I simply meant that the higher seeds get to face the weaker teams - and they get to play them at home. But thanks for the good laugh.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.'

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now? Really?They have won one playoff game, at home, against a 7-9 team.

The defending world champs just lost to that team, and exactly who else are they supposed to beat?Yes, I realize that Seattle wasn't one of the better teams, but typically that's who you get to play when you have the 2nd best record in the conference. That's kinda the point.

Actually it's far from typical. It's the first time ever a team with a below .500 record made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, pretty well the opposite of typical.

Now the Seahawk fans are going to lay into the Bears for beating a lousy team. I simply meant that the higher seeds get to face the weaker teams - and they get to play them at home. But thanks for the good laugh.

Ignoring your generalization and hyperbole, I'm glad to have made you laugh. I found your unintentional misrepresentation slightly humorous myself

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

What time is the Broncos game on Sunday? Do you think Coach Josh will have the team ready?

 

[renesauz]

This thread confuses me. The Packers are playing better and have the better QB. Barring an absolute disaster from Cutler, I don't see why anyone would think less of him losing to what is a very hot and IMHO, a better team.

Way too much credit (or blame) gets put on QB's for the wins and losses. While they may the most important player on the filed, they are only 1 of 11 players HALF the time. No win or loss is ever more than 35-40% at the QBs feet...and that figure is probably too high.

Ridiculous OP.

 

[DropKick]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.' Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

The popular definition of "choke" is to lose any game where you're heavily favored or to blow a big lead. I don't necessarily agree with the former but can accept the latter. Most will agree that the Ravens choked last week-end.Equating a loss to a "choke" over simplifies the game and can be a disservice to the underdog, who may have had a great game plan or executed superbly. It's a game and sometimes you just get beat.I define choking as under performing due to emotion or pressure of the event or game situation. I remember several of Favre's performance where he was so jacked up at the start of a game - he was bound to toss a few "wild pitches" until he settled down. McNabb's SB is another classic example.Despite some claims to the contrary, I think players can be "clutch" or can "choke" depending on their individual ability to perform at a consistent level despite the game situation. They're human - this has to be true.Cutler would really have to do something notable for me to give him the "choke" label.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If he has a horrible game, his biggest critics will feel validated to some extent.If he has a great game, his biggest critics will be much quieter. (unless CHI makes the SB and he struggles in that game, then they’ll be loud again)And I don't think Cutler has been in enough big games to earn or discredit a label of 'choker' just yet, regardless of what happens vs. GB this week.

 

[CaptainHook]

U have to be a favorite to have the chance to choke a game away.

 

[Hooper31]

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

Why would you base your opinion of a player based on his performance in one game?

 

[Ghost Rider]

U have to be a favorite to have the chance to choke a game away.

Not true. If a team, for example, is winning 34-14 with seven minutes left, but blows the game and loses 35-34, while committing several costly turnovers that heavily contributed to the loss, then you could say that they choked the game away. The Colts/Texans game from a few years back immediately comes to mind (where the Texans were slight home dogs, IIRC, but choked the game away in the last few minutes, turning a 27-10 lead into a 31-27 loss).

 

[Green94]

Everyone thinks less of him anyways. No biggie. Just more cutler bashing.

 

[The Jacket]

The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now

Bwahahahaha. I couldn't even make it past this. Good stuff here.

 

[oukurt]

He lead an average team to the NFC title game. How could you think less of him?

 

[PatsFanCT]

If he actually "chokes" the game away, he still has plenty of time to redeem himself.

I expect the Bears to lose today. Not because of Cutler choking the game away, but because the GB offense is much better than the Bears, and the defenses are about the same. Don't confuse choking a game away with losing it if Cutler, under extreme pressure tries to make a play for his team but makes a mistake instead.

 

[moleculo]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

What time is the Broncos game on Sunday? Do you think Coach Josh will have the team ready?

just because McD is a giant ##### and destroyed what was a young, promising team doesn't mean I will EVER think highly of cutler. Just as Baltimorians never forgave Elway for forcing his way out, I will never forgive cuter for forcing his way out of Denver. That's the way it's going to be.As you are this boards biggest cutler-nuthugger, you should probably just go ahead and put me on ignore, and I'll do likewise.

 

[CaptainHook]

Oh brother......i guess u can choke despite being an underdog...

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I never thought much of him to begin with. If he chokes the NFC title game away he'll meet my expectations. If he manages the game well and the Bears defense/special teams lead the Bears to victory I'll think slightly better of him. If he outplays Rodgers and leads the Bears to victory, I'll think much better of him.

Coming in, I honestly did not expect that it was possible that I would come away from this game thinking less of him than I already did... but it happened.

 

[Gamblin'man]

When your 3rd stringer looks better then your 1st stringer, your team has issues.

 

[duaneok66]

the word "choke" is vastly overused . . . its the substance of another common sports cliche' . . .

 

[Neal Cassady]

I never thought much of him to begin with. If he chokes the NFC title game away he'll meet my expectations. If he manages the game well and the Bears defense/special teams lead the Bears to victory I'll think slightly better of him. If he outplays Rodgers and leads the Bears to victory, I'll think much better of him.

Coming in, I honestly did not expect that it was possible that I would come away from this game thinking less of him than I already did... but it happened.

 

[moleculo]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

 

[greenroom]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

But he did show his stripes. I am sorry, but I think most QB's would of been on the field and not "give the perception" that he quit on his team. Elway, Manning, Farve, Brady, Montana and any QB worth his salt would of been out there. I am not saying that he was not hurt, but if he is No way do I stand on the sidelines without trying to fight to get back in. Especailly after they benched Collins.

 

[Courtjester]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

But he did show his stripes. I am sorry, but I think most QB's would of been on the field and not "give the perception" that he quit on his team. Elway, Manning, Farve, Brady, Montana and any QB worth his salt would of been out there. I am not saying that he was not hurt, but if he is No way do I stand on the sidelines without trying to fight to get back in. Especailly after they benched Collins.

As I said in the other thread, if the MRI shows no damage, then flame away--he deserves it.But if it is a torn MCL/ACL, then you are going to feel stupid. The trainers walked him out before half was over---you have no idea what they did in that locker room.The put him on the bike when he came out and it sure looked to me in the video they were showing that he wasn't able to ride the bike.The team doctors made a decision he could not go--not Cutler.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

I've already stated that Jay Cutler was heartless today, and didn't do anything to lead his team to the Super Bowl. But I would be remiss to not mention how sad it is that you have added nothing to these boards over the past few years other than to state how much you hate Jay Cutler, and you are so glad they traded him for Kyle Orton. We get it. You don't like him. Move on. Focus on the rebuilding of your crap team.

 

[moleculo]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

I've already stated that Jay Cutler was heartless today, and didn't do anything to lead his team to the Super Bowl. But I would be remiss to not mention how sad it is that you have added nothing to these boards over the past few years other than to state how much you hate Jay Cutler, and you are so glad they traded him for Kyle Orton. We get it. You don't like him. Move on. Focus on the rebuilding of your crap team.

if you think that all I've done over the past few years is knock on cutler, you should put me on ignore.

 

[DoubleG]

I wish it didn't end the way it did. I would have much preferred cutler show his stripes on the field instead of off it.

But he did show his stripes. I am sorry, but I think most QB's would of been on the field and not "give the perception" that he quit on his team. Elway, Manning, Farve, Brady, Montana and any QB worth his salt would of been out there. I am not saying that he was not hurt, but if he is No way do I stand on the sidelines without trying to fight to get back in. Especailly after they benched Collins.

As I said in the other thread, if the MRI shows no damage, then flame away--he deserves it.But if it is a torn MCL/ACL, then you are going to feel stupid.

The trainers walked him out before half was over---you have no idea what they did in that locker room.

The put him on the bike when he came out and it sure looked to me in the video they were showing that he wasn't able to ride the bike.

The team doctors made a decision he could not go--not Cutler.

 

[mbuehner]

This wasn't a concussion or something potentially life threatening. If Cutler told the trainer he could go and limped back to stand with the offense, they wouldn't have overruled him. He didn't fight to get back in the game and that's whats going to kill him.

 

[switz]

Oh brother......i guess u can choke despite being an underdog...

Yeah... what does being an underdog have to do with choking or not?Cutler quit. Period. And he looked awful before he quit.As for the doctors saying he couldn't go... any player who wants to play will play unless he has a concussion and league rules prohibit him from playing. If anyone really believe that the doctors forced Cutler out of the game, then I have a bridge in NY to sell you.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

What time is the Broncos game on Sunday? Do you think Coach Josh will have the team ready?

For you specifically, I am so happy with the Cutler debacle..... I've watched you powder his rear end on these boards for 2 years now and I suspect you might be removing that Jay Cutler Fathead from your living room wall now.I feel sorry for Jay, this is going to be a really tough off season for a guy who internalizes everything and seems to have emotional stability issues.. As a person, I wish him well.. Heard he was holding back tears during one of his post game interviews, pretty sad..

 

[DropKick]

Despite some claims to the contrary, I think players can be "clutch" or can "choke" depending on their individual ability to perform at a consistent level despite the game situation. They're human - this has to be true.

Cutler would really have to do something notable for me to give him the "choke" label.

Wow, it doesn't get much more notable than that. The sad thing is that will define his career to a lot of people. It's unfortunate too... count me in the camp that thinks it better to sit when you're physically not able to give your team the best chance at victory.Cutler's demeanor clearly is fuel to the fire. The perception of detachment is not a good fit here.

 

[Green94]

This wasn't a concussion or something potentially life threatening. If Cutler told the trainer he could go and limped back to stand with the offense, they wouldn't have overruled him. He didn't fight to get back in the game and that's whats going to kill him.

You must have missed the part where he came back in to start the 3rd quarter.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

What time is the Broncos game on Sunday? Do you think Coach Josh will have the team ready?

For you specifically, I am so happy with the Cutler debacle..... I've watched you powder his rear end on these boards for 2 years now and I suspect you might be removing that Jay Cutler Fathead from your living room wall now.I feel sorry for Jay, this is going to be a really tough off season for a guy who internalizes everything and seems to have emotional stability issues.. As a person, I wish him well.. Heard he was holding back tears during one of his post game interviews, pretty sad..

He's doing fine. He didn't play very well and was injured in a football game that his team lost. These things happen. Jay was one of the reasons the team had a chance to participate in that game. The better team won. Congratulations to them.