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If LeBron played in the West.... (1 Viewer)

tjnc09 said:
Who is the best player LeBron has eliminated in the Eastern Conference?  The list is not very good.
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Dunno, but he beat all the guys on Golden State's roster, all them dudes on the Spurs and whooped Durant and Westbrook for OKC.  Best player the planet has seen.  Not his fault the East sucks choad.  

 
I miss Bird and Magic. Wherever we are now is not nearly as fun as it was in the 80's. 

To be fair, though, the same could be said for just about any situation - the 80's were AWESOME! 

 
tjnc09 said:
Who is the best player LeBron has eliminated in the Eastern Conference?  The list is not very good.
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true, but Lebron did it this year with a team that would be one of the worst 3 in the NBA without him. 

What he's done is truly incredible.  His joke teammates get wide open shots due to him.

That team making the finals is the best argument for him being the GOAT.  i don't even like Lebron much but there is no denying how amazing he is.  The Cavs are truly putrid outside of him.

 
I say three rings and five (maybe only four) finals appearances

 
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Stinkin Ref said:
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What team would he have been on? How about a team like Memphis when they were in the playoffs a bunch with Gasol, Conley and Randolph. In this hypo Memphis doesn’t trade the pick that becomes Darko and they win the lottery. Not terribly far fetched. They’ve been a decent team but not the best sort of like Miami with Wade and Bosh. I think he’d still have the same number of titles maybe even one more as Durant probably goes East to avoid LeBron.

 
MikeIke said:
I miss Bird and Magic. Wherever we are now is not nearly as fun as it was in the 80's. 

To be fair, though, the same could be said for just about any situation - the 80's were AWESOME! 
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Pretty sure this is a function of age as much as it is basketball.  When I've watched some of those "classics" replayed they were fairly boring to me today.  Millennial's will say the same thing in 20-30 years about todays players/game.

 
His whole career? Lets take a look.

- He probably gets knocked out 2 or 3x early in his career by the Spurs.

- If he does get to the Finals he probably faces a Prime Wade/Twilight Shaq Heat or the HoF Twilighter Club Celtics.

- Prime Shaq/Gasol Lakers

- In the prime of his career would meet with the Thunder (however many of the big 3 are there in fantasyland, IDK)

- Maybe a Dwight-led team he faces a time or 2 in the Finals

My guess would be maybe 4 or 5 Finals appearances and 2 or 3 rings.

 
MikeIke said:
I miss Bird and Magic. Wherever we are now is not nearly as fun as it was in the 80's. 

To be fair, though, the same could be said for just about any situation - the 80's were AWESOME! 
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Those games are absolutely terrible compared to now. 

 
For this ridiculous hypo does he have to keep his same crap Cleveland teams or does he get real teammates? 

 
MikeIke said:
I miss Bird and Magic. Wherever we are now is not nearly as fun as it was in the 80's. 

To be fair, though, the same could be said for just about any situation - the 80's were AWESOME! 
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Agreed, yet not as bad as when Jordan retired and the Marbury era happened. 

 
labrohan could get a team of swc and three other stiff from a  janitorial staff noontime game to the finals i am pretty sure hed do ok in the west take that to the bank bromigos 

 
Just take his past 4 rosters and plop them in the West.  He wouldn't have made the Finals in 2015, 2017, or probably this year.

It doesn't really matter though.  He and Jordan are the two best players I've ever seen play, and it isn't even close.

 
Depends which team you take out of the West to make room for his teams.

IMO that's the problem with these dumb comparisons. When you move one of the elite players/teams to the other conference and don't swap out another elite player/team it's obviously going to create a much more difficult level of competition.

So let's say you moved LeBron to the West, and Durant/the Warriors to the East?  I'm not sure all that much changes, especially if the other West teams still suffer the same injuries during the playoffs. Maybe he gets picked off in the Conference Finals instead of the NBA Finals in 2011 and 2014.  Whoopty-doo.

 
For argument's sake, let's say he got drafted by the Clippers instead of the Cavs (and that he stayed there his entire career). Clearly things would have played out differently, but let's also say James had to play with the same players that were on the actual Clippers roster each year. Here were the top teams (based on wins) each season in the West . . .

2003 MIN 58, LAL 56, SA 57, SAC 55 (LAC 28) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Quentin Richardson)
2004 PHO 62, SA 59, DAL 58, SEA 52 (LAC 37) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Bobby Simmons)
2005 SA 63, DAL 60, PHO 54, MEM 49 (LAC 47) (Elton Brand, Corey Maguette, Sam Cassell)
2006 DAL 67, PHO 61, SA 58, HOU 52 (LAC 40) (Elton Brand, Corey Maguette, Cuttino Mobley)
2007 LAL 57, NO 56, SA 56, PHO 55 (LAC 23) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman)
2008 LAL 65, DEN 54, SA 54, POR 54 (LAL 19) (Zach Randolph, Al Thornton, Eric Gordon)
2009 LAL 57, DAL 55, PHO 54, DEN 53 (LAC 29) (Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Baron Davis)
2010 SA 61, LAL 57, DAL 57, OKC 55 (LAC 32) (Blake Griifin, Eric Gordon, Mo Williams)
2011 SA 50, OKC 47, LAL 41, MEM 41 (LAC 40) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups) (66 game season)
2012 OKC 60, SA 58, DEN 57, MEM 56 (LAC 56) (Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Jamal Crawford)
2013 SA 62, OKC 59, POR 54, HOU 54 (LAC 57) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2014 GS 67, HOU 56, SA 55, MEM 55 (LAC 56) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2015 GS 73, SA 67, OKC 55, PORT 44(LAC 53) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2016 GS 67, SA 61, HOU 55, UTA 51 (LAC 51) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2017 HOU 65, GS 58, POR 49, OKC 48 (LAC 42) (Blake Griffin, Lou Williams, Tobias Harris)

The Clippers would have been absolutely stacked with LeBron from 2013-2016 (maybe even a couple years earlier). Not sure how they would have fared with the likes of SA, GS, and OKC with KD, but the West would have been really interesting.

 
Is this like Chuck Norris facts?

If LeBron James played in the West, California’s next earthquake would be caused by LeBron doing a push-up.

 
the man is an undeniable 1st team all-time NBA player AND stand up citizen giving lots of time, money, and effort to the less fortunate

the expectations and hype he received at 14-15 y/o was ridiculous -- yet he lived up to it all and them some 

to the question: who knows --- depends on which team & how the roster looked

 
Anarchy99 said:
For argument's sake, let's say he got drafted by the Clippers instead of the Cavs (and that he stayed there his entire career). Clearly things would have played out differently, but let's also say James had to play with the same players that were on the actual Clippers roster each year. Here were the top teams (based on wins) each season in the West . . .

2003 MIN 58, LAL 56, SA 57, SAC 55 (LAC 28) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Quentin Richardson)
2004 PHO 62, SA 59, DAL 58, SEA 52 (LAC 37) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Bobby Simmons)
2005 SA 63, DAL 60, PHO 54, MEM 49 (LAC 47) (Elton Brand, Corey Maguette, Sam Cassell)
2006 DAL 67, PHO 61, SA 58, HOU 52 (LAC 40) (Elton Brand, Corey Maguette, Cuttino Mobley)
2007 LAL 57, NO 56, SA 56, PHO 55 (LAC 23) (Corey Maguette, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman)
2008 LAL 65, DEN 54, SA 54, POR 54 (LAL 19) (Zach Randolph, Al Thornton, Eric Gordon)
2009 LAL 57, DAL 55, PHO 54, DEN 53 (LAC 29) (Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Baron Davis)
2010 SA 61, LAL 57, DAL 57, OKC 55 (LAC 32) (Blake Griifin, Eric Gordon, Mo Williams)
2011 SA 50, OKC 47, LAL 41, MEM 41 (LAC 40) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups) (66 game season)
2012 OKC 60, SA 58, DEN 57, MEM 56 (LAC 56) (Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Jamal Crawford)
2013 SA 62, OKC 59, POR 54, HOU 54 (LAC 57) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2014 GS 67, HOU 56, SA 55, MEM 55 (LAC 56) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2015 GS 73, SA 67, OKC 55, PORT 44(LAC 53) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2016 GS 67, SA 61, HOU 55, UTA 51 (LAC 51) (Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford, JJ Reddick, DeAndre Jordan)
2017 HOU 65, GS 58, POR 49, OKC 48 (LAC 42) (Blake Griffin, Lou Williams, Tobias Harris)

The Clippers would have been absolutely stacked with LeBron from 2013-2016 (maybe even a couple years earlier). Not sure how they would have fared with the likes of SA, GS, and OKC with KD, but the West would have been really interesting.
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Not sure how they would have fared? Griffin, Paul, Jordan and James would have been the best in the West, no problem. They were basically a 50 win team from 2011-2017 (Paul would have stayed longer). Add the best player in the NBA to a 50 win team and they are champions many times. LeBron and Kyrie beat 73 win GS team. This would be like adding Griffin and Jordan to that team.

 
stbugs said:
Not sure how they would have fared? Griffin, Paul, Jordan and James would have been the best in the West, no problem. They were basically a 50 win team from 2011-2017 (Paul would have stayed longer). Add the best player in the NBA to a 50 win team and they are champions many times. LeBron and Kyrie beat 73 win GS team. This would be like adding Griffin and Jordan to that team.
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We don't know what we don't know. I know I said he would have to play with the rosters as constituted, but if the Clippers had LeBron, they wouldn't have been able to draft Griffin. We also don't know how things would have gone with potentially tougher opponents in multiple rounds playing in the West. So yes, LeBron and Cleveland beat the Warriors. But would LeBron with the Clippers have been able to beat the Spurs, the Warriors, and the East champs? They probably could have, but who knows? As I already mentioned, it would have made for some very interesting seasons in the Western Conference. And who knows which teams would have come out of the East all those years.

 
How long did he play in the West? Was he drafted there, did he go to the West after his first stint with Cleveland? Did he stay out West?

I am going to make it some what easy and say he got drafted by Cleveland and left for a team out West.

So keeping it as close to the way LeBron went to Miami as we can we will say he wanted a veteran team and was willing to take less to do so. So his choices really come down to the Lakers, Dallas,  and San Antonio. I eliminated the Warriors, Thunder and Grizzles because they were still too young and not good enough yet. I eliminated the Suns because they were really on the backend. I eliminated the Clippers because they didn't have Paul or anything until 12, I eliminated the Nuggets because Melo left. 

We have 3 teams left, I am going to eliminate the Lakers, I just don't think he wanted to play with Kobe. So that leaves Dallas and the Spurs. Both are excellent choices so I did a coin flip land it came up Dallas. 

Start with 2011, well Dallas won the title that year, so I doubt they would get worse with Lebron. So he is 1 - 1

2012, Dallas finished as the 7th seed and got knocked out in the 1st round by OKC, obviously they would have had a much better record. They were 5 games back from the 3 seed and 11 back from the 2. I think it is fair to slot them in the 3rd spot. So they win the their 1st round match up and play OKC in the 2nd round, LeBron and Miami beat OKC in the finals so I will give them that series and the next series against the Spurs since OKC beat the Spurs. The finals opponent probably would have been Boston and LeBron and Miami beat Boston in 7 with homecourt that year, so I feel it is safe to do it again in the finals since they would have homecourt.

2013, So Dallas missed the playoffs that year by 4 games, but we all know that wouldn't happen with LeBron, so we are going to elevate them by 6 games into the 6th seed that was held by the Warriors. The Warriors beat an overachieving Nuggets team and I am going to assume LeBron would carry them to the same. In round 2 they would have played the Spurs would lost to the Heat in a crazy 7 game series. Take LeBron off Miami and off this pretend version of Dallas that he is on and the Heat are a better team, so I am going to say that the Spurs knock out LeBron in a tough series.

2014, Dallas is the 8th seed in a very loaded West, Dallas was only 8 games out from the 3rd seed and 5 games out from the 4th. This is a tough call whether they would have been the 3 or the 4. Back to the coin flip. The flip gives them the 3rd seed. I will assume they beat a young Warriors team in round 1 that lost to the Clippers, round 2 is a tough one the Spurs beat the Heat (with LeBron) and the Thunder pretty handily so back to the coin flip and Dallas comes out on top again. The Spurs were on a mission that year and weren't going to be denied so they lose in the conference finals to the Spurs.

I will try to do 2015 to present another time, but at current count this has LeBron still winning 2 titles, but only getting to the finals 2 times. I will assume LeBron will move on from the Mavericks much like he did Miami and figure out a list of teams he could have gone to in the West and if a couple of teams are too close to call we will do the coin flip or if I have extra time run through both teams.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Lebron ends up in Philly or Boston next year......
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Not likely after Twitter gate for the 76ers GM and the Celtics have no cap room. Plus Kyrie left Cleveland to get away from James and start his own legacy. What are the Celtics going to do? Trade him back to Cleveland in a sign and trade?

 
If Lebron played in the West, he would be Lebron ... playing in the West. 

Did I win? 

These scenario type questions are really pointless IMO ... 

how about if Barry Sanders played for the cowboys? 

Oh em ghee what if Jordan went to the blazers ?

if Lebron played in the West, he’d be Lebron in the West. He woulda been drafted by a lowly team ... and annually made that team just good enough to not acquire any top draft picks. Certain stars would come to play with him - he woulda got the same amount of rings. And he’d be Lebron playing in the west.

cool. 

 
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