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if Revis had not come back (1 Viewer)
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jurb26
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I don't agree. NYJ weren't going to back down because of one game. Especially not a game in which their D still performed fairly well. They only gave up 10 points, forced 3 turn overs and had 2 sacks last night. None of that was really a direct result of Revis IMO. It was the NYJ O that looked like solidified puke on the field. If Revis played offense I think you may have something.
I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but the bolded is crazy talk. Revis is, by far, the best defensive back in the league and absolutely shuts down the opposition. Last night was no different, and to say that his coverage has no bearing on their takeaways, sacks and points allowed is ridiculous.
jurb26
Footballguy
No, it's really not. You can speculate all you want on what impact he had or didn't have. You can't deny that the reason the Jets lost that game was because of their offense though. Revis isn't changing a thing for that offense. I don't think he picks up any leverage against the stubborn NYJ brass regardless.
Warrior
Footballguy
lol...they lost for two reasons. The offense didnt score enough points and the defense allowed too many. That's literally the definition of winning a game.
I'm not disagreeing with your latest statement (that the Jets lost the game because of their offense, that Revis doesn't help the offense, and that he may not have gained leverage after last night had he still been holding out). What I disagreed with is that you said their D performed fairly well with 3 takeaways, 2 sacks and 10 points allowed, and that "none of that performance was a direct result of Revis." If the Jets wouldn't have had Revis last night, it's a near certainty their D wouldn't have fared as well.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Ok, let's play along with your thought process. Without Revis last night, the offense would have needed to score 20+ points to win instead of 11 points. Because that's how badly the Ravens WRs were lighting up the other Jets DBs.
jurb26
Footballguy
They threw at Revis what, 2 times? One time he got a penalty and the other was incomplete. Where exactly would all these extra throws at the other Jets CBs come from exactly? It's not like Balt continually threw to Revis and he made plays to shut them down. They pretty much exclusively picked on the rookie and Cromartie. The Ravens didn't score 20+ because Flacco missed several throws at those 2 guys. Not because he threw at Revis and he broke them up.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Presumably you watched the game, no? Did you see how Cromartie and Wilson performed? If Revis is out, then Cromartie and Wilson are CB1 and CB2. Which means that now, instead of Revis taking a WR out of the game (which he did quite effectively), Flacco can choose from Boldin, Mason & Housh -- all of whom would have been open, based on the piss poor coverage we saw from Cromartie and Wilson.It's pretty straightforward. Most teams see their defense suffer when the single best player on the defense is removed from the equation.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yes I watched the game, did you? Revis didn't cover the Balt best WR, Boldin anyway. He didn't take away Balt best threat in the passing game. Not only that but the Jets didn't do a single thing to ever help out Cromartie or Wilson. If they had placed Revis on a guy 1 on 1 and then rolled coverage to the other CBs to make up for it then I would see your point. They didn't though. They let those get get beat continually all game long even with Revis there. So how exactly would it have matter? You say w/o Revis they would have been beat by the WR because they would have been open. Well, even with Revis those guys were open. Flacco just didn't throw it towards Revis. Seem like the same end result. Like I said before, if Flacco makes a few of those throws we are looking at 20+ points from Balt even with Revis having played.To be honest I thought it was pretty poor coaching by the NYJ. It was clear that Balt was picking up their blitz packages and Flacco had time. Despite that, they continually left DBs who were greatly struggling isolated in 1 on 1 coverage all game long. I have no idea why they didn't just stick Revis on one guy and roll coverage. I just know they didn't.
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He did cover Boldin at times and Flacco didn't even both looking his way. Granted he matched up with Mason mostly.
Ryan rarely backs down from blitzing and that was the problem here. Granted that didn't cost the Jets the game. The penalty on the FG and the Greene fumble after the Cromartie pick cost the Jets the game. I don't think they would have offered the dude more $ though.Back to Righetti's post... I think the Jets would have altered their game plan a bit if Revis weren't there and maybe had fewer jailbreak blitzes leaving the safeties to help over the top.
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