scrumptrulescent said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Godsbrother said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Refresh my memory was **** LeBeau the DC for superbowl XL
Yes although in truth Bill Cowher deserves much of the credit for the Steelers excellence on defense.
LeBeau is credited with developing the zone blitz but at its core is the 3-4 defense which was brought to Pittsburgh by Cowher.
By people that have never heard of Dom Capers?
Also, the answer to the question is
Yes.
LeBeau has been in the league since day 1- well it seems that way. I highly doubt that credit is due to just Cowher or just Capers here. I liked how Lebeau did some things in Cincy. Near the end, he held those players accountable like no NFL coach has done in prob 20 years. Marvin came in and not surprisingly the players were unruly or undisciplined with all the arrests and junk. I don't recall who was at Pittsburgh when Lebeau was gone, but his influence was still all over that D. He's been huge for that franchise. I feel confident saying whomever created the zone blitz didn't do it without running the idea past Lebeau.
How long has the Steelers O-line coach been there? They have had the top C in the NFL for like 40 years or somesuch which is ridiculously great. They seem to always have a good to very good unit despite preseason expectations.
When's the last time the Steelers didn't have one of the better RBs in the NFL? If not top 10, a guy that had to be reckoned with?
I wonder about Cowher and all the bad press Plax used to get. Kordell Stewart was one of the most interesting and exciting quarterbacks for prob a year and a half. And Neil O'Donnell's career fizzled fast, but he was solid for a while there. Tomlin's had that third string runner playing QB and Charlie Batch, it's not like he has had Brady backing up Peyton.
I think the credit goes to Mr. Rooney really. An absolute ton goes to Tomlin and Cowher because (to me, not a Steelers fan but an NFL fan) they play Steeler football no matter what. Most teams sign a new coach and there's this whole transformation within the team with a new scheme and all these changes that are sometimes a bit much. Seems to me Tomlin and Cowher were smart enough to realize they had a good thing going. Cowher seemed to reinstill some after a poor time for the franchise, but it's classic Steeler's football.
Mr. Rooney (RIP) isn't around, but I totally believe it's still his system full of values he taught everyone that's going on there.
I don't care if it's Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Polamalu, or Carnell Lake, they were all going to find a legal way to drive you into the ground and try to knock your helmet off. The Centers I mentioned above. Barry Foster, Jerome Bettis, Fast Willie, Mendenhall....mentioned them above too. There's a system here and the Steelers do it wonderfully.
I also get the feeling the fans expect that system. I mean if Drew Brees were there throwing for 5k yards, I'm not sure their fans would appreciate that. They'd probably be complaining they don't run enough. And if their D was ranked 32nd in the league, that DC would probably literally be run out of town with black and gold jerseys running behind the moving truck.
I don't think many coaches are wise enough to continue a good thing so I don't think many coaches could have done what Cowher and Tomlin have. I think the credit goes to ol' Rooney though and maybe Knoll.
People often say that about Roethlisberger, but it isn't really true. The Steelers were 7-11 in the 18 games prior to his being handed the starting job and went 15-1 the rest of that season. That's not a coincidence.If people are going to say that someone walked into a good situation, it's Tomlin to whom the statement more accurately applies. Not knocking him, he's done a terrific job and actually took them up a notch from where they were previously, but some of that also coincides with Roethlisberger's on-field maturation and the emergence of guys like Polamalu and Harrison. Tomlin's an excellent coach, and there are things I like even more about him than Cowher, but until he shows a sustained run of fielding a highly competitive team, I can't rank him above the Chin. Even if he does, he has the benefit of having a real QB to lead the way. The assortment of dog #### Cowher had to trot out there every Sunday for more than a decade reads like a who's who of all-time NFL QB stiffs. When Neil O'Donnell is easily the best QB you had for about 13 years, you know you've got some garbage guys out there. But, to his credit, Cowher almost always kept the team competitive, meaning they were rarely in a position to draft a really good QB. Maybe if they'd drafted Marino in '83, they'd have 10 Lombardis by now.
People often say that about Roethlisberger, but it isn't really true. The Steelers were 7-11 in the 18 games prior to his being handed the starting job and went 15-1 the rest of that season. That's not a coincidence.If people are going to say that someone walked into a good situation, it's Tomlin to whom the statement more accurately applies. Not knocking him, he's done a terrific job and actually took them up a notch from where they were previously, but some of that also coincides with Roethlisberger's on-field maturation and the emergence of guys like Polamalu and Harrison. Tomlin's an excellent coach, and there are things I like even more about him than Cowher, but until he shows a sustained run of fielding a highly competitive team, I can't rank him above the Chin. Even if he does, he has the benefit of having a real QB to lead the way. The assortment of dog #### Cowher had to trot out there every Sunday for more than a decade reads like a who's who of all-time NFL QB stiffs. When Neil O'Donnell is easily the best QB you had for about 13 years, you know you've got some garbage guys out there. But, to his credit, Cowher almost always kept the team competitive, meaning they were rarely in a position to draft a really good QB. Maybe if they'd drafted Marino in '83, they'd have 10 Lombardis by now.
