If the Vikings don't get a decent QB in the off-season.. (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Tossin' out the name of...

Jared Lorenzon

 

[jestertj]

Pennington would be a nice stop gap QB for Minny - he won't win a SB but would get them into the semis IMO - great RB and defense is the only way Chad can be effective anymore - think Dilfer with Balt a few years ago..

I think I just about threw up after reading that. Yikes!

 

[jestertj]

I'll just be happy if they play Bollinger the rest of the way. Although, everybody laughs at this and Major Dad basically insulted him, but giving Jeff George a look couldnt hurt.

I can't believe people are asking for Bollinger after how he played in the preseason. Most people had him out and Thigpen in.The George talk really confuses me too. He calls PA, Sean Jensen runs with it, and now everyone is so desperate that they actually think it's reasonable. Jeff George didn't like being hit 5 years ago when he got released. I don't think he would be any better now at age 39.

 

[sho nuff]

McNabb seems like a guy that simply needs a change of scenery. He could do for the Vikings what Warren Moon did a decade ago.

They really need to make a run at him. Forget upgrading the WRs and the defense. If this team had McNabb next year it would be a contender for the NFC title.

How so?Minny QBs have been sacked quite a bit the past few years. You think McNabb would make it through a season?Philly is more talented than Minny and they are not a contender.Minny needs more than just a QB.

PHI also doesn't have the best RB in the game and the best run defense in the game. Pretty big difference there.

Nor do they have a sieve for pass blocking and a bottom 5 passing defense.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I took the list of all QBs listed on NFL.com and then pared it down by removing guys that had almost no chance of leaving their current teams. That left me with a list of guys that could possibly, somehow, either through trade or cut be available.

Derek Anderson - Cleveland Browns Charlie Batch - Pittsburgh Steelers Kyle Boller - Baltimore Ravens Mark Brunell - Washington Redskins David Carr - Carolina Panthers Matt Cassel - New England PatriotsKellen Clemens - New York JetsKerry Collins - Tennessee Titans Brodie Croyle - Kansas City ChiefsJake Delhomme - Carolina Panthers Trent Dilfer - San Francisco 49ersKen Dorsey - Cleveland Browns Trent Edwards - Buffalo Bills A.J. Feeley - Philadelphia Eagles Charlie Frye - Seattle Seahawks Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay BuccaneersDavid Garrard - Jacksonville Jaguars Bruce Gradkowski - Tampa Bay BuccaneersQuinn Gray - Jacksonville Jaguars Brian Griese - Chicago Bears Rex Grossman - Chicago Bears Joey Harrington - Atlanta Falcons Matt Hasselbeck - Seattle Seahawks Tim Hasselbeck - Arizona Cardinals Damon Huard - Kansas City ChiefsByron Leftwich - Atlanta Falcons Cleo Lemon - Miami Dolphins Jared Lorenzen - New York GiantsJ.P. Losman - Buffalo Bills Josh McCown - Oakland Raiders Luke McCown - Tampa Bay BuccaneersDonovan McNabb - Philadelphia Eagles Steve McNair - Baltimore Ravens Dan Orlovsky - Detroit Lions Kyle Orton - Chicago Bears Chad Pennington - New York JetsJake Plummer - Tampa Bay BuccaneersBrady Quinn - Cleveland Browns Patrick Ramsey - Denver Broncos Tim Rattay - Arizona Cardinals Aaron Rodgers - Green Bay PackersSage Rosenfels - Houston Texans D.J. Shockley - Atlanta Falcons Chris Simms - Tampa Bay BuccaneersTroy Smith - Baltimore Ravens Marques Tuiasosopo - New York JetsBilly Volek - San Diego ChargersAndrew Walter - Oakland Raiders Kurt Warner - Arizona Cardinals Charlie Whitehurst - San Diego ChargersAnthony Wright - New York Giants

 

[Fiddles]

cant see garcia or hasslebeck moving

 

[Andy Dufresne]

cant see garcia or hasslebeck moving

Didn't know what their contract situation was. I thought Garcia got a three year and Hasslebeck just got an extension, but couldn't remember.Rookies:Matt Ryan Boston College 6-5 218 4.90 Brian Brohm Louisville 6-4 224 4.80 Andre' Woodson Kentucky 6-5 230 4.80 Chad Henne Michigan 6-2 224 5.15 Colt Brennan Hawaii 6-3 190 4.85 John David Booty USC 6-3 215 4.95 Dennis Dixon Oregon 6-4 205 4.60So somewhere in those two lists is there a guy that will lead the Vikings to the Promised Land?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

cant see garcia or hasslebeck moving

Didn't know what their contract situation was. I thought Garcia got a three year and Hasslebeck just got an extension, but couldn't remember.Rookies:Matt Ryan Boston College 6-5 218 4.90 Brian Brohm Louisville 6-4 224 4.80 Andre' Woodson Kentucky 6-5 230 4.80 Chad Henne Michigan 6-2 224 5.15 Colt Brennan Hawaii 6-3 190 4.85 John David Booty USC 6-3 215 4.95 Dennis Dixon Oregon 6-4 205 4.60So somewhere in those two lists is there a guy that will lead the Vikings to the Promised Land?

You missed Koy Detmer!

 

[Getinthemix]

They dont need to draft a qb. You sign or trade for McNabb and make TJax your backup. They have similar backgrounds so Im hoping McNabb will help TJax develop more and Jackson becomes a player for the future.

Vikings should draft a RT or S in the first round.

FA get a QB and WR

How are their backgrounds similar, other than being black?

 

[hauser42]

Let the Choke Vikes get whatever QB they want. They have proven time and time again they cannot win games when they need to even when they had a good QB.

 

[loose circuits]

I am reluctant to drop Tarvaris in a dynasty because McNabb and Brees also started off fairly slow. While Tarvaris has been worse, he hasn't been able to stay healthy and get his timing down. It's also not like the WR's help at all. I mean, when Bobby Wade and Shiancoe are your 2 biggest offseason acquisitions you know there are problems. However, I think if Childress sticks with Tarvaris he may start to surprise some people. At this point, the team's biggest need is WR IMO.

 

[Twilight]

I am reluctant to drop Tarvaris in a dynasty because McNabb and Brees also started off fairly slow. While Tarvaris has been worse, he hasn't been able to stay healthy and get his timing down. It's also not like the WR's help at all. I mean, when Bobby Wade and Shiancoe are your 2 biggest offseason acquisitions you know there are problems. However, I think if Childress sticks with Tarvaris he may start to surprise some people. At this point, the team's biggest need is WR IMO.

That sums up the big comedy about guys like Tavaris. If Minnesota had drafted a QB high this year, people would have ripped them for wasting a high pick on a QB, since they have a "high bust rate". But whenever a team tries to draft a lower round QB and groom him, he sucks because he can't immediately come in and perform, so people start calling for his replacement almost immediately as well. Bill Parcells always says it best. Coaches are selfish. If Childress thought Holcombe or Bollinger gave him a better shot to win, he'd start them.

 

[encaitar]

I am reluctant to drop Tarvaris in a dynasty because McNabb and Brees also started off fairly slow. While Tarvaris has been worse, he hasn't been able to stay healthy and get his timing down. It's also not like the WR's help at all. I mean, when Bobby Wade and Shiancoe are your 2 biggest offseason acquisitions you know there are problems. However, I think if Childress sticks with Tarvaris he may start to surprise some people. At this point, the team's biggest need is WR IMO.

That sums up the big comedy about guys like Tavaris. If Minnesota had drafted a QB high this year, people would have ripped them for wasting a high pick on a QB, since they have a "high bust rate". But whenever a team tries to draft a lower round QB and groom him, he sucks because he can't immediately come in and perform, so people start calling for his replacement almost immediately as well. Bill Parcells always says it best. Coaches are selfish. If Childress thought Holcombe or Bollinger gave him a better shot to win, he'd start them.

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

 

[[scooter]]

They already have their QB of the future, and his name is Tardvery Jackson.

 

[Gopher State]

Great o-line, uber stud RB, improving defense. All they need is a competent QB, a veteran WR and maybe one more veteran difference maker on defense. All could be had in Free Agency. Get McNabb. He's gone in Philly. He won't get hit with that line. He can handoff to ADP and make good decisions to move the chains. Get a solid possession WR to go along with Williamson and Rice. At this stage of his career, I think the dink and dunk west coast offense is hurting McNabb. He can go up top. Imagine the play action opportunities with teams having to respect ADP.With McNabb and other said pickups, this team could and should contend with Dallas and a few others for the NFC title. I'll be curious to see what the Vikings do in the offseason.

Should of drafted that Quinn fellow over AP right

 

[FunkyPlutos]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

Because if he'd realeased the hounds earlier, they may be 5-3 or better instead of 3-5.

 

[mozzy84]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

you're joking right?

 

[encaitar]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

Because if he'd realeased the hounds earlier, they may be 5-3 or better instead of 3-5.

Exactly! The Green Bay, KC, and Detroit Lions games were all winnable by the Vikings, but Childress refused to put the ball in the hands of his best player. That in no way reflects good coaching and how anyone can defend the way he's handled ADP this year is beyond me. He's started one game so far and what happened? He broke the NFL rushing record against the No. 7 rush defense. I'd say that's a sign he should've been starting earlier.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Thinking over it, I think Derek Anderson may be the most logical choice. The Browns don't have a 1st rounder, but Anderson has shown enough to merit a first day pick of some sort I'd imagine. Getting a selection like 2.10 or 3.10 from the Vikings would be worth considering.

For the Vikings, he's not over-priced, he can probably be given a mid-level contract and be happy, he's shown himself to be capable of playing at the NFL level, and he's not in-conference much less in the division.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Thinking over it, I think Derek Anderson may be the most logical choice. The Browns don't have a 1st rounder, but Anderson has shown enough to merit a first day pick of some sort I'd imagine. Getting a selection like 2.10 or 3.10 from the Vikings would be worth considering. For the Vikings, he's not over-priced, he can probably be given a mid-level contract and be happy, he's shown himself to be capable of playing at the NFL level, and he's not in-conference much less in the division.

I'm not sure how it all works, but if they "tender" him won't it be more likely for a 1st and 3rd?Might be a stiffer price than the Vikings would be willing to pay. If he continues playing like he has, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him in purple next year.

 

[Colin Dowling]

That's my point: the Browns aren't going to hold on to Derek Anderson for a 1st and 3rd when they know that QUinn is going to be their guy. Now, they could do like the Chargers and play Anderson again next year to try and keep Quinn on the bench. Stranger things have happened. But I think that not having a 1st round pick in conjunction with not being completely terrible makes Anderson easy to be had for a 2nd or early 3rd.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

Because if he'd realeased the hounds earlier, they may be 5-3 or better instead of 3-5.

Or Peterson may be hitting a wall right now...my point is: You don't know. All we know is that right now he is playing lights out. I know it is popular for fans to play hypotheticals because then your team always does good, but the one thing you can't argue is that Peterson is playing lights out right now - it could be because Peterson is Superman (very likely) or it could be because of the coaching and how he has been brought along through the season, or a combination of both.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm still holding out hope that the Browns sign Anderson long term and trade Quinn to the Vikes instead.

Then the Vikings will have gotten both guys I was hoping they'd draft in the 2007 draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Or Peterson may be hitting a wall right now...my point is: You don't know. All we know is that right now he is playing lights out. I know it is popular for fans to play hypotheticals because then your team always does good, but the one thing you can't argue is that Peterson is playing lights out right now - it could be because Peterson is Superman (very likely) or it could be because of the coaching and how he has been brought along through the season, or a combination of both.

If Peterson hit the wall, the wall would lose. He's a black Chuck Norris.

 

[encaitar]

Thinking over it, I think Derek Anderson may be the most logical choice. The Browns don't have a 1st rounder, but Anderson has shown enough to merit a first day pick of some sort I'd imagine. Getting a selection like 2.10 or 3.10 from the Vikings would be worth considering. For the Vikings, he's not over-priced, he can probably be given a mid-level contract and be happy, he's shown himself to be capable of playing at the NFL level, and he's not in-conference much less in the division.

I'm not sure how it all works, but if they "tender" him won't it be more likely for a 1st and 3rd?Might be a stiffer price than the Vikings would be willing to pay. If he continues playing like he has, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him in purple next year.

It depends on which level they tender him at. It's all based on how much they want to pay him next year. I believe they would have to tender an offer of a minimum of $2.435 mil in order to warrant both a first and third if a team signs him. If they tender him an offer between $1.975 mil and $2.435 mil they'd recieve a first round pick. If it's between $1.492 and $1.975 it's a second round pick and so on. However, even if they do tender him the highest offer, they can still accept a lower return. The Vikings could offer a second and a fourth say, and if they felt it was enough, they'd let him go for that.It's hard to say what they will do. I think with how he's playing, they give him the highest tender, but you never know.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Or Peterson may be hitting a wall right now...my point is: You don't know. All we know is that right now he is playing lights out. I know it is popular for fans to play hypotheticals because then your team always does good, but the one thing you can't argue is that Peterson is playing lights out right now - it could be because Peterson is Superman (very likely) or it could be because of the coaching and how he has been brought along through the season, or a combination of both.

If Peterson hit the wall, the wall would lose. He's a black Chuck Norris.

Classic!

 

[encaitar]

The problem is that you're implying Childress was capable of thought. This is the same guy who didn't think ADP should be the starter over Taylor until he was ripped by Hall of Fame former coaches.I think you are overlooking the fact that Childress thinks he's a genius and since he made the call to trade up to get a QB in the second round that would've been there in the fourth, he's committed to him WIN or LOSE!

I think it is comical that Peterson is having one of the best seasons EVER by a RB and everyone says that Childress doesn't know what he is doing. He is on pace for over 2,000 yards and people are saying that the coach is using him incorrectly. He eased him into the starting lineup and now is the starter and is performing well. How is that not great coaching?

Because if he'd realeased the hounds earlier, they may be 5-3 or better instead of 3-5.

Or Peterson may be hitting a wall right now...my point is: You don't know. All we know is that right now he is playing lights out. I know it is popular for fans to play hypotheticals because then your team always does good, but the one thing you can't argue is that Peterson is playing lights out right now - it could be because Peterson is Superman (very likely) or it could be because of the coaching and how he has been brought along through the season, or a combination of both.

I'm sure they had good reason for not playing him as much early in the season. They wanted to limit his carries, I can understand that. However, I can't call Childress a good coach when "limiting his carries" means not giving him the ball in the second half of a tight game.

 

[encaitar]

Or Peterson may be hitting a wall right now...my point is: You don't know. All we know is that right now he is playing lights out. I know it is popular for fans to play hypotheticals because then your team always does good, but the one thing you can't argue is that Peterson is playing lights out right now - it could be because Peterson is Superman (very likely) or it could be because of the coaching and how he has been brought along through the season, or a combination of both.

If Peterson hit the wall, the wall would lose. He's a black Chuck Norris.

I thought he was Purple Jesus? Can he be both?Or does he just command the wall to move when he nears it?