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If Tom Brady wants to be the best Quarterback of all time, he needs to (1 Viewer)
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
How many FA's did the Niners sign on Montana's teams?yeah, that organization was pretty excellent from top to bottom.Yeah, Carmen Policy was way ahead of the curve on gaming the cap. And if you want to say that in some way diminishes Steve Young's case, I'd buy in to a small degree. I don't think it diminishes the Niners' case as a franchise at all though. If anything, that's more like Belichick's manipulation of the player substitutions: within the rules, but ahead of the way everyone else is seeing the game.but, egregiously, dude. egregiously.There was no salary cap until the very last season Joe Montana played (with Kansas City).Being widely regarded as the best QB ever until recently, while simultaneously QBing multiple teams that gamed the salary cap - egregiously.
Please name for me the "bad stuff" associated with Unitas, Starr, Montana, Marino that was swept away by the hands of time. I'll bet none of it has a tie to rules violations or game integrity.
The Niners had a huge advantage at GM almost every season for a while.
great management, an owner willing to spend the $$ needed to keep them competitive, supposedly genius coach, top defense, and top shelf players all over the roster.
and montana managed to get to 4 superbowls in 14 years --- that's also pretty excellent, but not best ever.
if goodell were to come the day after the sb with a press conference saying that the pats are so awesome they'll be given a special dispensation by the league going fwd to spend and extra 50m/yr if they choose, while the rest of the league remains cap locked, I guarantee you there wouldn't be a peep said about it on this board --- and that's simply because every salty troll on here would literally stroke out before they could type one word.
5 yrs from now, after their 6th consecutive sb win, I wonder if we'd credit brady, or his bulging payroll package.
12punch
Footballguy
how many players did they lose?
now make me a list of how many players have departed the patriots over the last 10 years
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You answer my question and I'll answer yours.12punch said:
12punch
Footballguy
you have zero intention of answering that question so gtfo
I doubt you could do it if you even put the effort in
You're really not smart enough to be in this conversation, Lawrence. Kindly shut up and leave while you can still convince yourself you have a tiny bit of dignity left. Don't make me humiliate this username into tucking its tail and scampering away weeping, too.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Really?
I had every intention of answering both of your questions. Then you told me to GTFO.
Serious question, why even post if you're going to pull this kind of shenanigans? What a waste of time and energy.
Warrior
Footballguy
Disagree. The 2nd SB against NYG was his most important game. A chance to nullify the first loss to Peyton's less talented little bro. He couldn't do it. And being 0-2 against Eli in the SB is a big black mark against him.
I'd say this is the 2nd most important game for him though, for all the reasons stated above.
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Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
He's the biggest troll on the site...and yet half his posts in the deflategate thread are calling everyone else a troll. He was even called out by a fellow Pats fan a few years ago for ruining the Shark Pool. Guy's a joke.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=650642&hl=%2Bwhat+%2Bhappened+%2Bto+%2Bthe+%2Bshark+%2Bpool
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proninja
Footballguy
He's worse than anything Packer fans threw out there, despite one solid effort on their part
Hooper31
Footballguy
My opinion of Brady won't change based on the outcome of a single game either way. I have mad respect for Brady. One of the best ever? Sure. Arguing over which is better than the other is a waste of time and energy IMO. Unless there can be an agreed upon metric the exercise is pointless.
bostonfred
Footballguy
We are running out of metrics by which you can argue he's not the best ever.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Do you think he has a realistic shot at the all time passing yardage and TD marks?
I'm not arguing that these are the end of discussion metrics, but for someone they certainly are.
12punch
Footballguy
here's an interesting stat yudkin posted
Here are the 10 best PPG allowed in the post season for all SB winners . . .
1985 CHI 3.3
2000 BAL 5.8
1971 DAL 6
1969 KCC 6.7
1977 DAL 7.7
1986 NYG 7.7
1984 SFO 8.7
1989 SFO 8.7
1988 SFO 9.3
1970 BAL 10
but it was joe montana that won 4 sb
ok
Here are the 10 best PPG allowed in the post season for all SB winners . . .
1985 CHI 3.3
2000 BAL 5.8
1971 DAL 6
1969 KCC 6.7
1977 DAL 7.7
1986 NYG 7.7
1984 SFO 8.7
1989 SFO 8.7
1988 SFO 9.3
1970 BAL 10
but it was joe montana that won 4 sb
ok
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Montana's career Super Bowl stats:
83/122 1142 11 TDs / 0 Interceptions
HTH
ETA: Tack on an extra 100 yards rushing and another 2 visits to the endzone.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
On the flip side, Montana in the postseason in all other rounds of the playoffs . . .
12-7 record
377-612-4630
34 TD, 21 INT
89.2 QB rating (compared to 127.8 in SBs)
46 rushes, 209 rushing yards, 0 TD
No debating how great Joe was in the big game. And he still was very good in other playoff games, but the rest of his playoff numbers would not scream LEGENDARY like his SB stats do.
12punch
Footballguy
well, it certainly appeared to water down the niners team judging by their 1 conference game appearance in the 20 years after it was instituted.
12punch
Footballguy
yeah, it really makes you wonder........
montana got drafted by one of the freest spending owners in history, with one of the greatest coaches in history, one of the greatest defenses in history, and throwing to the greatest receiver in history --- just think of the damage that guy might have done if he could've willed that team of misfits to more than 4 sb appearances in 14 years.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
thx for the nitpick, but that was commentary on his time with the niners, not just the single year he was drafted.
I believe their careers overlapped somewhat
drummer
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
I think it's so tough when a great qb is tied to an innovated coach like BB or Walsh. It's hard to say what is due to coaching or what is due to great qb play.
You see this more in college where you see extraordinary qb play out of players but it is a result of coaching and scheme.
For me, being able to perform at that level despite consistent coaching is what impresses me.
For me this is why I believe manning is the best. He went to a Super Bowl with 3 different coaches on 2 different teams. In his case you can't argue if it was coaching or scheme.
Same could be said for Kurt warner too to some extent. Who I feel is highly underrated when talked about all time best. Even though I don't think he is manning montana Brady good.
You see this more in college where you see extraordinary qb play out of players but it is a result of coaching and scheme.
For me, being able to perform at that level despite consistent coaching is what impresses me.
For me this is why I believe manning is the best. He went to a Super Bowl with 3 different coaches on 2 different teams. In his case you can't argue if it was coaching or scheme.
Same could be said for Kurt warner too to some extent. Who I feel is highly underrated when talked about all time best. Even though I don't think he is manning montana Brady good.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Manning played in the same offense his entire nfl career. He didn't change offensive coordinators for his entire colts career and Denver let him dictate the offense once he arrived. He also enjoyed extremely low turnover at the receiver and tight end positions as harrison and wayne played their entire careers in indy, and edgerrin, pollard and Clark all played the primes of their careers there as well. brady has had head coaching consistency, but he's changed offensive coordinators repeatedly, with wholesale changes to their offensive scheme, tempo and weapons, and has broken in new starting receivers every year of his career.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Nonsense and foolish argument (devine intervention). If Brady had the talent Manning had around him he would've thrown for 6000/60 this year, easy. The coach is not throwing the ball let alone getting into discussions about a pass heavy offense or run heavy etc...
Brady just needs to DO HIS JOB!!!!!
Brady just needs to DO HIS JOB!!!!!
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Not really a nitpick since half of his Super Bowl wins were without Jerry Rice
You can ignore the facts all you want, it doesn't change them.
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
I didn't know d Thomas was better than moss and e sanders was better than welker in his prime.
Brady was younger and had better weapons and still didn't put up the same numbers.
Let's add to that one of the best offensive lines made up of early round draft picks.
Brady was younger and had better weapons and still didn't put up the same numbers.
Let's add to that one of the best offensive lines made up of early round draft picks.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Don't forget the old you can't touch the quarterback due to the Brady rule.
If Montana, Marino, Fouts, insert many many quarterbacks name here didn't have to worry about getting creamed five full seconds after they threw the ball, they would've obliterated the record books more than they already did.
If Montana, Marino, Fouts, insert many many quarterbacks name here didn't have to worry about getting creamed five full seconds after they threw the ball, they would've obliterated the record books more than they already did.
12punch
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
in his first year ever playing with moss and Welker - when moss was considered washed up and Welker was a relative nobody who was traded within the division - Brady set multiple all time nfl records including breaking manning's best season with multiple hall of famers (harrison, wayne, edge, maybe even Clark). Manning deserves incredible respect for setting and then breaking some of the same records, but the fact that brady did it in his first and only season with truly elite talent kind of renders the single season accomplishments angle moot.Devine Intervention said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
So, you're what......20?12punch said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Who the #### is yudkin?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Joe Cool... 4-0 in Super Bowls. 11 TD passes, 0 INT.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
^^^
*Also,never cheated.
*Also,never cheated.
cstu
Footballguy
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Even if he's only the second best of all time (and that is arguable), he had a hell of a season this year and played extremely well, despite the 2 picks, in the Superbowl throwing a record-setting number of completions and leading his team back from a 10 point deficit late in the game. Couldn't believe the look in his eyes in the second half -- incredibly intensity.
