If Tom Brady wants to be the best Quarterback of all time, he needs to (1 Viewer)

[Harry Manback]

There's nothing he can do to be the best QB of all time as long as Montana has a "0" in his Super Bowl loss column.

Right?!?! Tom should've lost those AFC Championship games. What a dope.

 

[12punch]

There's nothing he can do to be the best QB of all time as long as Montana has a "0" in his Super Bowl loss column.

Right?!?! Tom should've lost those AFC Championship games. What a dope.

if he really wanted to build his legacy he never would've made it to the playoffs at all to avoid getting dinged for that ccg loss

 

[bostonfred]

There's nothing he can do to be the best QB of all time as long as Montana has a "0" in his Super Bowl loss column.

Right?!?! Tom should've lost those AFC Championship games. What a dope.

if he really wanted to build his legacy he never would've made it to the playoffs at all to avoid getting dinged for that ccg loss

the geno smith strategy

 

[ShamrockPride]

2-0 and 1-10 is very different from 4-0 and 4-2. The fact you had to resort to such extremes proves that exaggeration is the only way to make that point.

Huh?? I didn't resort to anything, and I have no idea what point you think I was trying to make with that. I don't even know which side I would prefer. 1-0 vs 0-4 would be an interesting convo also, and that isn't all that extreme since it has happened.

And when you say nobody remembers the losers until you look at career accomplishments, well, isn't that the point? The career?

I'm just saying from a personal standpoint I don't really consider losing the super bowl much of an accomplishment. If you want to look at appearances and say that he's reached the SB an average of every 3 years in his career then I'll give you that. But 4-2 vs 4-0 doesn't stand out on either side of the argument for me.

 

[Niles Standish]

2-0 and 1-10 is very different from 4-0 and 4-2. The fact you had to resort to such extremes proves that exaggeration is the only way to make that point.

Huh?? I didn't resort to anything, and I have no idea what point you think I was trying to make with that. I don't even know which side I would prefer. 1-0 vs 0-4 would be an interesting convo also, and that isn't all that extreme since it has happened.

And when you say nobody remembers the losers until you look at career accomplishments, well, isn't that the point? The career?

I'm just saying from a personal standpoint I don't really consider losing the super bowl much of an accomplishment. If you want to look at appearances and say that he's reached the SB an average of every 3 years in his career then I'll give you that. But 4-2 vs 4-0 doesn't stand out on either side of the argument for me.

I'm with you here. 4-2 is pretty much equal to 4-0.

That being said being like Kelly and getting there 4 times is impressive even if you lose them all. More impressive than 0 appearances.

 

[bostonfred]

Which team do you guys think had the second most successful season in the nfl this year? The bucs, because at least they get the #1 pick? Or the Seahawks because they won their conference? Or someone else?

I think the 2007 patriots were the 50th best team in nfl history. Maybe 51st or something. But definitely one of the all time great, memorable teams. The idea that that somehow wasnt an accomplishment at all because he didn't win the superbowl is just silly to me, but maybe you guys really believe that?

 

[Niles Standish]

Which team do you guys think had the second most successful season in the nfl this year? The bucs, because at least they get the #1 pick? Or the Seahawks because they won their conference? Or someone else?

I think the 2007 patriots were the 50th best team in nfl history. Maybe 51st or something. But definitely one of the all time great, memorable teams. The idea that that somehow wasnt an accomplishment at all because he didn't win the superbowl is just silly to me, but maybe you guys really believe that?

It's better than nothing.

And the 2007 Patriots were by far the best team in the NFL that season. They just lost the wrong week.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

From Cold, Hard Football Facts

After 13 years as a starting quarterback, Brady is the winningest quarterback of all time and ranks in the Top 5 of every single major individual stat. He'll likely end his career in the top 3 in every major measure of individual accomplishment, maybe even higher depending on how long he plays. He already holds all the records in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl, and nobody alive is close to catching him.

So no matter how you cut it, stats or team accomplishments, Brady usually ends up on top by one of those meaures, and usually by both.

Perhaps most importantly, Brady consistently comes up huge in the clutch and wins games that appear lost, as he did twice in the 2014 postseason, against both Seattle in the Super Bowl and Baltimore in the divisional round.

The Patriots twice trailed the Ravens by 14 points, but scored 21 second-half points to win 35-31. New England won despite just 14 yards rushing, the fewest ever in a postseason victory. New England also won despite the fact Brady passed the ball 50 times -- usually the sign of defeat. He passed the ball 50 times again in the Super Bowl XLIX win over the Seattle Seahawks, and again with virtually no running game (57 total rush yards).

In one of the most incredible stats in all of sports history, Brady's Patriots are now 4-1 in the playoffs when he passes the ball 50+ times. Every other QB in history has combined to go 3-27 in that situation. Brady can carry a team in the clutch unlike any other QB in history. He's lapped the competition in carrying a team in the clutch.

Super Bowl XLIX was one of his finest hours: the Patriots became the first team in history to overcome a double-digit deficit in the second half of a Super Bowl. Every other team trailing by 10+ in the second half of a Super Bowl had combined to go 0-29 before Sunday.

Brady and the Patriots produced two fourth-quarter touchdown drives. And they did it against the best defense in football, a team that had surrendered just 15.9 points per game all year long – let alone 14 points in crunch time of the biggest game of the year.

More amazing Cold, Hard Football Facts: The Brady Patriots have produced 52 points in six Super Bowl fourth quarters. That's the equivalent of 34.7 PPG – typically against the toughest defenses of the year, and in the biggest moments of the season.

The Patriots have scored an incredible 28 points in the final 3 minutes of those six Super Bowls, including another touchdown against the mighty Seattle defense on Sunday.

We listed every single Brady individual and team record below, in the postseason, in the Super Bowl itself, and then listed where he stacks up in the regular season.

It's a tsunami of stats that offer and obvious conclusiion: There goes Tom Brady, the best who ever lived.

A TSUNAMI of STATS​

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Here is our look at how Brady stacks up against the greatest quarterbacks of all time in the postseason, in Super Bowls, and in the regular season.

POSTSEASON: All-Time Quarterback Leaderboard​

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Most postseason games

Brady – 29

Brett Favre – 24

Peyton Manning – 24

Joe Montana – 23

Most postseason victories

Brady – 21

Montana – 16

Terry Bradshaw – 14

John Elway – 14

Most postseason game-winning drives (source profootballreference.com)

Brady – 9

Elway – 6

Montana – 5

Eli Manning – 5

Most postseason fourth-quarter comebacks (source profootballreference.com)

Brady – 6

Montana – 5

Eli Manning – 4

Elway – 4

Bradshaw – 4

Best postseason win percentage (min. 10 games)

Bart Starr – .900 (9-1)

Jim Plunkett – .800 (8-2)

Terry Bradshaw – .737 (14-5)

Troy Aikman – .733 (11-4)

Eli Manning – .727 (8-3)

Brady – .724 (21-8)

Best postseason win percentage (min. 20 games)

Brady – .724 (21-8)

Montana – .696 (16-7)

Elway – .667 (14-7)

Favre – .542 (13-11)

Peyton Manning – .458 (11-13)

Most division championships

Brady – 12

Most conference title game appearances

Brady – 9 (6-3)

Montana – 7 (4-3)

Bradshaw – 6 (4-2)

John Elway – 6 (5-1)

Roger Staubach – 6 (4-2)

Most postseason games, 50+ attempts

Brady – 5 (4-1 record)

Jim Kelly – 3 (0-3)

Drew Brees – 2 (0-2)

Jeff George – 2 (0-2)

Dan Marino – 2 (0-2)

Warren Moon – 2 (0-2)



Most wins in postseason, 50+ attempts

Brady – 4 (4-1)

Dan Fouts - 1 (1-0)

Bernie Kosar - 1 (1-0)

Eli Manning - 1 (1-0)

No other quarterback has won a postseason game passing 50+ times. Combined record: 0-27.

Most postseason passing yards

Tom Brady – 7,345

Peyton Manning – 6,800

Brett Favre – 5,855

Joe Montana – 5,772



Most postseason TD passes

Brady – 53

Joe Montana – 45

Brett Favre – 44

Peyton Manning – 38

Dan Marino – 32



Most postseason pass attempts

Brady – 1,085

Peyton Manning – 935

Brett Favre – 791



Most postseason completions

Brady – 683

Peyton Manning – 598

Brett Favre – 481



Most postseason rush TD by a quarterback

Steve Young – 8

John Elway – 6

Steve McNair – 6

Brady – 5

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Most Super Bowl appearances:

Brady – 6

Elway – 5

Most Super Bowl victories:

Brady, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw – 4

Most Super Bowl MVP awards:

Brady, Montana – 3

Most Super Bowl attempts

Brady – 247

Elway – 152

Jim Kelly – 145

Most Super Bowl completions

Brady – 164

Peyton Manning – 90

Montana – 83

Warner – 83

Kelly – 81

Most Super Bowl passing yards

Brady – 1,605

Warner – 1,156

Montana – 1,142

Elway – 1,128

Most Super Bowl TD passes

Brady – 13

Montana – 11

Bradshaw – 9

Staubach – 8

Most completions in a Super Bowl

Brady – 37 (Super Bowl XLIX)

Peyton Manning - 34 (Super Bowl XLVIII)

Brady – 32 (Super Bowl XXXVIII)

Drew Brees – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV)

Jim Kelly – 31 (Super Bowl XXVIII)

Kurt Warner – 31 (Super Bowl XLIII)

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Winning percentage (min. 100 games)

Brady – .773 (160-47)

Staubach – .746 (85-29)

Montana – .713 (117-47)

Peyton Manning – .699 (179-77)

Bradshaw – .677 (107-51)

Win-Loss Differential

Brady – +113 (160-47)

Peyton Manning + 102 (179-77)

Favre – +74 (186-112)

Montana – +70 (117-47)

Elway – +66 (148-82)

Most wins by a starting quarterback

Favre – 186

Peyton Manning – 179

Brady – 160

Elway – 148

Marino – 147



Highest average points per game by starting QB

Aaron Rodgers – 28.5 PPG

Brady – 28.1 PPG

Pass completions

Brett Favre – 6,300

Peyton Manning – 5,927

Dan Marino – 4,967

Drew Brees – 4,937

Tom Brady – 4,551

Pass attempts

Favre – 10,169

Peyton Manning – 9,049

Marino – 8,358

Brees – 7,458

John Elway – 7,250

Brady – 7,168

Passing yards

Favre – 71,838

Peyton Manning – 69,691

Marino – 61,361

Brees – 56,033

Brady – 53,258

Passing touchdowns

Peyton Manning – 530

Favre – 508

Marino – 420

Brees – 396

Brady – 392

Passer rating

Aaron Rodgers – 106.0

Tony Romo – 97.6

Peyton Manning – 97.5

Steve Young – 96.8

Brady – 95.9

Interception percentage

Rodgers – 1.6%

Brady – 2.0%

Game-winning drives

Peyton Manning – 52

Marino – 51

Brady – 46

Elway – 46

Favre – 45

Fourth-quarter comebacks

Peyton Manning – 41

Marino – 36

Brady – 35

Elway – 35

Montana – 31

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BRADY on the BIGGEST STAGE​

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It''s the crunch time scores that really sets apart his career from every other. Former Cold, Hard Football Facts contributor Scott Kacsmar and the folks at ProFootballReference.com track the comebacks and game-winning drives for every quarterback in history.

Brady, as noted above, tops the list with six fourth-quarter comebacks and nine game-winning drives in the postseason, ahead of legends like Montana (five comebacks) and Elway (six GWD).

Here's a little way to put Brady's record six fourth-quarter comebacks and nine game-winning drives in the playoffs in perspective: consider that Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers has produced a total of eight fourth-quarter comebacks and 12 game-winning drives, total, in all games in his career, including the regular season.

BRADY in SUPER BOWL CRUNCH TIME

Here's a quick look at Brady's Super Bowl fourth quarters. The Patriots have scored 52 fourth-quarter points in six Super Bowls. That's the equivalent of 34.7 PPG, usually against the best defenses in football.

Super Bowl XXXVI (Patriots 20, Rams 17) – 5 of 8 for 53 yards in final 81 seconds of fourth quarter to lead only walk-off scoring drive in Super Bowl history, capped by Adam Vinatieri's 48 yard field goal

Super Bowl XXXVIII (Patriots 32, Panthers 29) – Led three fourth-quarter scoring drives (18 points total) to lead Patriots to victory, capped by Vinatieri 41-yard field goal with 9 seconds to play. Brady final two drives: 10 of 13, 104 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

Super Bowl XXXIX (Patriots 24, Eagles 21) – Patriots score 10 fourth-quarter points against the No. 2 defense in the NFL (16.25 PPG) to capture victory in a game tied 14-14 after three periods.

Super Bowl XLII (Giants 17, Patriots 14) – Most substandard and disappointing performance in both Patriots and Brady history, as 18-0 team fell to heavy underdog Giants. But Brady had lifted Patriots to 14-10 lead with 2:45 to play by leading monster scoring drive: 8 of 11, 71 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

Super Bowl XLVII (Giants 21, Patriots 17) – A near mirror image of previous loss to Giants. In this case, the Patriots failed to produce a single fourth-quarter point in six Super Bowls.

Super Bowl XLIX (Patriots 28, Seahawks 24) – Probably Brady's finest hour in a career filled with them. The Patriots score 14 fourth-quarter points to erase 24-14 deficit in greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. Brady in the fourth quarter: 13 of 15, 124 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

 

[ghostguy123]

2-0 and 1-10 is very different from 4-0 and 4-2. The fact you had to resort to such extremes proves that exaggeration is the only way to make that point.

Huh?? I didn't resort to anything, and I have no idea what point you think I was trying to make with that. I don't even know which side I would prefer. 1-0 vs 0-4 would be an interesting convo also, and that isn't all that extreme since it has happened.

And when you say nobody remembers the losers until you look at career accomplishments, well, isn't that the point? The career?

I'm just saying from a personal standpoint I don't really consider losing the super bowl much of an accomplishment. If you want to look at appearances and say that he's reached the SB an average of every 3 years in his career then I'll give you that. But 4-2 vs 4-0 doesn't stand out on either side of the argument for me.

The point is, some people are making the argument that 4-0 is BETTER than 4-2, which is just flat out crazy sauce.

0-2 is better than 0-0 right?

And sorry, but getting to the super bowl is DEFINITELY a pretty big accomplishment.

 

[12punch]

Muh Thumb!!

 

[Run It Up]

A question to the 4-0>4-2 crowd.

Is it that having 0 losses in superbowls is worth more to you than visits, or is it that its worth more than 2 more visits?

If its the latter, how many more visits will it take for you to swing the other way?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

A question to the 4-0>4-2 crowd.

Is it that having 0 losses in superbowls is worth more to you than visits, or is it that its worth more than 2 more visits?

If its the latter, how many more visits will it take for you to swing the other way?

It's just personal preference. For me, there are tiers. Montana, Brady, Unitus, Elway, Staubach are all in the top tier. You really can't go wrong.

I'll take Joe Cool and you can have your boy Brady and we 'll both be happy.

 

[Run It Up]

A question to the 4-0>4-2 crowd.

Is it that having 0 losses in superbowls is worth more to you than visits, or is it that its worth more than 2 more visits?

If its the latter, how many more visits will it take for you to swing the other way?

It's just personal preference. For me, there are tiers. Montana, Brady, Unitus, Elway, Staubach are all in the top tier. You really can't go wrong.

I'll take Joe Cool and you can have your boy Brady and we 'll both be happy.

I have no problem with people who just believe Montana was a better QB, or even that its too hard to compare the eras - I do think its entirely different to argue that 4-0 is better than 4-2.

 

[Boston]

Just watched the game again...gotta say that Brady is moving as well in the pocket as he did since his injury...in the fourth quarter he is stepping-up and giving himself space to make some great throws against a very big time defense...the guy is aging backwards...he's still at the top of his game...

 

[Niles Standish]

A question to the 4-0>4-2 crowd.

Is it that having 0 losses in superbowls is worth more to you than visits, or is it that its worth more than 2 more visits?

If its the latter, how many more visits will it take for you to swing the other way?

It's just personal preference. For me, there are tiers. Montana, Brady, Unitus, Elway, Staubach are all in the top tier. You really can't go wrong.

I'll take Joe Cool and you can have your boy Brady and we 'll both be happy.

I have no problem with people who just believe Montana was a better QB, or even that its too hard to compare the eras - I do think its entirely different to argue that 4-0 is better than 4-2.

You can make a very legitimate argument for Montana over Brady,if you make a 4-0 > 4-2 argument you're being stupid or lazy.

 

[Workhorse]

All I know is if I needed to win one football game regardless of opponent, home/road, indoor/outdoor, snow/wind/rain/sun, I'm taking Brady.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think in this scenario that 4-2 is better than 4-0, but when looking at Super Bowl play alone, Montana outclasses just about everyone, including Brady. Just comparing Brady and Montana head-to-head:

Super Bowl TD-INT:

Montana 11-0

Brady 13-4

Super Bowl points scored per game by their offenses:

Montana 35 pts

Brady 21 pts

Pretty crazy to think that Brady's offense has scored 14 points LESS per game than Montana's did in Super Bowls, especially when you consider that Brady has played in an era that is far more offense-friendly.

On the flip side, Brady has played tougher defenses in the Super Bowl, so that has to be taken into consideration, too. Plus, while Brady has had his hiccups in the playoffs (by and large, despite having played in 9 AFC title games, his overall play in them is pretty average, cumulatively speaking), he never had as awful a stretch as Montana had in the playoffs for three years in the mid 80s, a stretch many seem to forget about.

 

[Anarchy99]

Brady's teams have averaged 26.24 ppg in 29 post season games.

Montana's teams have averaged 25.35 ppg in 23 post season games.

 

[12punch]

I wonder who knows more about the subject of quarterbacking --- broadway joe or a handful of jealous fantasy nerds?

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/13/joe-namath-tom-brady-super-bowl-xlix-nfl/

VRENTAS: After his fourth title, where do you think Tom Brady stands among quarterbacks to ever have played the game?

NAMATH: No one’s ever been better. No one’s ever been better than Tom Brady, I don’t believe. And I go back to watching the guys earlier in some of the darker days, in the ’50s. One of my first heroes was Otto Graham. Come on, 10 straight title games in Cleveland. He was just spectacular. Bobby Layne was a unique quarterback, really terrific. Getting into the modern era, Peyton Manning has had his wonderful performances. Don’t tell me anybody is better than Aaron Rodgers, either. Better than, better than, better than. The best, the best, the best. To each his own. I have a hard time calling anybody in any sport “the best” because of the changes in the game, certainly, and because of the greats that were ahead of them. But I will say, no one has ever played the game better than Tom Brady. You start looking at numbers, and sometimes statistics tell a story, and sometimes they don’t tell the whole story. It’s such a team game. But Tom has answered the bell. He has answered every challenge. He’s great. He’s great. No one has ever done it better.

 

[Tool]

I think in this scenario that 4-2 is better than 4-0, but when looking at Super Bowl play alone, Montana outclasses just about everyone, including Brady. Just comparing Brady and Montana head-to-head:

Super Bowl TD-INT:

Montana 11-0

Brady 13-4

Super Bowl points scored per game by their offenses:

Montana 35 pts

Brady 21 pts

Pretty crazy to think that Brady's offense has scored 14 points LESS per game than Montana's did in Super Bowls, especially when you consider that Brady has played in an era that is far more offense-friendly.

On the flip side, Brady has played tougher defenses in the Super Bowl, so that has to be taken into consideration, too. Plus, while Brady has had his hiccups in the playoffs (by and large, despite having played in 9 AFC title games, his overall play in them is pretty average, cumulatively speaking), he never had as awful a stretch as Montana had in the playoffs for three years in the mid 80s, a stretch many seem to forget about.

Who cares? So many other factors besides the QB goes into points scored: like the other 52 members of the team for starters; who the opponent is, the tenor of the game. In terms of Brady throwing 4 Int's,he made a few bad passes. So what?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If Tom Brady wants to be the best Quarterback of all time, he needs to...

Probably never do this again.

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Tom Brady gives Patriots fans heart attacks with cliff diving videoBy Eric Edholm March 28, 2015 12:56 PM Shutdown Corner

Tom Brady has given the New England Patriots several friendly bargains with his contract. Perhaps one concession written into his deal is that he can perform wild and acrobatic activities off the field, and Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft can't say anything about it.

Watch as Brady frightens Patriots Nation here, posting a video to his Facebook page (click the photo on top) of him cliff diving in — we believe — Costa Rica, where he's vacationing with his family. The jump, which is set to the Superman soundtrack, appears to be well over 30 feet — quite frightening.

Brady just sent fans into a tizzy. Naturally, he lived to tell the tale and post the video, along with a funny caption: "Never doing that again! #AirBrady"

That's Belichick's hope, anyway. The fans of New England, too, could use some reassurance on this front as well.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Saw a video where he was playing a pick-up game with MJ. Has a sweet 3-point shot.

 

[cstu]

If Tom Brady wants to be the best Quarterback of all time, he needs to...

Probably never do this again.

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Tom Brady gives Patriots fans heart attacks with cliff diving videoBy Eric Edholm March 28, 2015 12:56 PM Shutdown Corner

Tom Brady has given the New England Patriots several friendly bargains with his contract. Perhaps one concession written into his deal is that he can perform wild and acrobatic activities off the field, and Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft can't say anything about it.

Watch as Brady frightens Patriots Nation here, posting a video to his Facebook page (click the photo on top) of him cliff diving in — we believe — Costa Rica, where he's vacationing with his family. The jump, which is set to the Superman soundtrack, appears to be well over 30 feet — quite frightening.

Brady just sent fans into a tizzy. Naturally, he lived to tell the tale and post the video, along with a funny caption: "Never doing that again! #AirBrady"

That's Belichick's hope, anyway. The fans of New England, too, could use some reassurance on this front as well.

Dying in a cliff diving accident would put him at #1.

ETA: To avoid be accused of wishing Brady dies cliff diving, I meant that if he did everyone could spend the rest of the lives imagining how many more SB's Brady would have won had he lived.

 

[Sabertooth]

You are a weird dude.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Pssh, the guy is 38 and just won his 4th ring. If he wants to dive off a cliff, I say have at it.

 

[Tool]

Not sure why it says cliff diving when he didn't dive.

 

[cstu]

You are a weird dude.

This is news? At least I don't draw giant dongs in my spare time.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

at least he's not shootin' at anybody this offseason

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

to answer the original question.

Win 1 more superbowl and there really isnt any debate

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't really think there is a debate now.

 

[Stealthycat]

If Tom Brady wants to be the best Quarterback of all time, he needs to

Nothing

He already is

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Unfortunately there will always be a debate for GOAT no matter what Brady does. You have to be the greatest by a large margin in a team sport to be considered GOAT. Michael Jordan made his case and most would agree but football though has a lot more moving parts than basketball.

Brady should always be considered one of the GOAT, but no one will ever agree on who will hold the title.

 

[ShamrockPride]

As long as that Montana guy holds the same rings as him then there's no definitive answer beyond both Pats and Niners homer's opinions and any generational gaps that exist (aka those who didn't get to see Joe play).

To finish the sentence off in the topic, the definitive answer here is win another ring and leave yourself as the only guy to ever win 5.

 

[dickey moe]

He's always in the conversation, and that's enough.

 

[T with T]

Unfortunately there will always be a debate for GOAT no matter what Brady does. You have to be the greatest by a large margin in a team sport to be considered GOAT. Michael Jordan made his case and most would agree but football though has a lot more moving parts than basketball.

Brady should always be considered one of the GOAT, but no one will ever agree on who will hold the title.

Michael Jordan will be surpassed by Lebron James... Hard to say who is the GOAT of any sport. You will always have a debate as to who is the GOAT and 8 diff people will say 8 diff names... Off topic Michael, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Wilt, Bill Russell Kareem, Duncan all have points for being goat... It's all perception... Tom Brady is an ALL TIME great, is he better then Montana, Hard to say.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

. Tom Brady is an ALL TIME great, is he better then Montana, Hard to say.

not really

 

[ShamrockPride]

. Tom Brady is an ALL TIME great, is he better then Montana, Hard to say.

not really

Proving my point.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Unfortunately there will always be a debate for GOAT no matter what Brady does. You have to be the greatest by a large margin in a team sport to be considered GOAT. Michael Jordan made his case and most would agree but football though has a lot more moving parts than basketball.

Brady should always be considered one of the GOAT, but no one will ever agree on who will hold the title.

Michael Jordan will be surpassed by Lebron James... Hard to say who is the GOAT of any sport. You will always have a debate as to who is the GOAT and 8 diff people will say 8 diff names... Off topic Michael, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Wilt, Bill Russell Kareem, Duncan all have points for being goat... It's all perception... Tom Brady is an ALL TIME great, is he better then Montana, Hard to say.

Lebron James may not even be the best player in the league anymore.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Brady needs to have success on a team without a known cheater as a coach. That's a start

 

[jurb26]

From Cold, Hard Football Facts

After 13 years as a starting quarterback, Brady is the winningest quarterback of all time and ranks in the Top 5 of every single major individual stat. He'll likely end his career in the top 3 in every major measure of individual accomplishment, maybe even higher depending on how long he plays. He already holds all the records in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl, and nobody alive is close to catching him.

So no matter how you cut it, stats or team accomplishments, Brady usually ends up on top by one of those meaures, and usually by both.

Perhaps most importantly, Brady consistently comes up huge in the clutch and wins games that appear lost, as he did twice in the 2014 postseason, against both Seattle in the Super Bowl and Baltimore in the divisional round.

The Patriots twice trailed the Ravens by 14 points, but scored 21 second-half points to win 35-31. New England won despite just 14 yards rushing, the fewest ever in a postseason victory. New England also won despite the fact Brady passed the ball 50 times -- usually the sign of defeat. He passed the ball 50 times again in the Super Bowl XLIX win over the Seattle Seahawks, and again with virtually no running game (57 total rush yards).

In one of the most incredible stats in all of sports history, Brady's Patriots are now 4-1 in the playoffs when he passes the ball 50+ times. Every other QB in history has combined to go 3-27 in that situation. Brady can carry a team in the clutch unlike any other QB in history. He's lapped the competition in carrying a team in the clutch.

Super Bowl XLIX was one of his finest hours: the Patriots became the first team in history to overcome a double-digit deficit in the second half of a Super Bowl. Every other team trailing by 10+ in the second half of a Super Bowl had combined to go 0-29 before Sunday.

Brady and the Patriots produced two fourth-quarter touchdown drives. And they did it against the best defense in football, a team that had surrendered just 15.9 points per game all year long – let alone 14 points in crunch time of the biggest game of the year.

More amazing Cold, Hard Football Facts: The Brady Patriots have produced 52 points in six Super Bowl fourth quarters. That's the equivalent of 34.7 PPG – typically against the toughest defenses of the year, and in the biggest moments of the season.

The Patriots have scored an incredible 28 points in the final 3 minutes of those six Super Bowls, including another touchdown against the mighty Seattle defense on Sunday.

We listed every single Brady individual and team record below, in the postseason, in the Super Bowl itself, and then listed where he stacks up in the regular season.

It's a tsunami of stats that offer and obvious conclusiion: There goes Tom Brady, the best who ever lived.

A TSUNAMI of STATS

Here is our look at how Brady stacks up against the greatest quarterbacks of all time in the postseason, in Super Bowls, and in the regular season.

POSTSEASON: All-Time Quarterback Leaderboard

Most postseason gamesBrady – 29

Brett Favre – 24

Peyton Manning – 24

Joe Montana – 23

Most postseason victories

Brady – 21

Montana – 16

Terry Bradshaw – 14

John Elway – 14

Most postseason game-winning drives (source profootballreference.com)

Brady – 9

Elway – 6

Montana – 5

Eli Manning – 5

Most postseason fourth-quarter comebacks (source profootballreference.com)

Brady – 6

Montana – 5

Eli Manning – 4

Elway – 4

Bradshaw – 4

Best postseason win percentage (min. 10 games)

Bart Starr – .900 (9-1)

Jim Plunkett – .800 (8-2)

Terry Bradshaw – .737 (14-5)

Troy Aikman – .733 (11-4)

Eli Manning – .727 (8-3)

Brady – .724 (21-8)

Best postseason win percentage (min. 20 games)

Brady – .724 (21-8)

Montana – .696 (16-7)

Elway – .667 (14-7)

Favre – .542 (13-11)

Peyton Manning – .458 (11-13)

Most division championships

Brady – 12

Most conference title game appearances

Brady – 9 (6-3)

Montana – 7 (4-3)

Bradshaw – 6 (4-2)

John Elway – 6 (5-1)

Roger Staubach – 6 (4-2)

Most postseason games, 50+ attempts

Brady – 5 (4-1 record)

Jim Kelly – 3 (0-3)

Drew Brees – 2 (0-2)

Jeff George – 2 (0-2)

Dan Marino – 2 (0-2)

Warren Moon – 2 (0-2)



Most wins in postseason, 50+ attempts

Brady – 4 (4-1)

Dan Fouts - 1 (1-0)

Bernie Kosar - 1 (1-0)

Eli Manning - 1 (1-0)

No other quarterback has won a postseason game passing 50+ times. Combined record: 0-27.

Most postseason passing yards

Tom Brady – 7,345

Peyton Manning – 6,800

Brett Favre – 5,855

Joe Montana – 5,772



Most postseason TD passes

Brady – 53

Joe Montana – 45

Brett Favre – 44

Peyton Manning – 38

Dan Marino – 32



Most postseason pass attempts

Brady – 1,085

Peyton Manning – 935

Brett Favre – 791



Most postseason completions

Brady – 683

Peyton Manning – 598

Brett Favre – 481



Most postseason rush TD by a quarterback

Steve Young – 8

John Elway – 6

Steve McNair – 6

Brady – 5

SUPER BOWL: All-Time Quarterback Leaderboard

Most Super Bowl appearances:Brady – 6

Elway – 5

Most Super Bowl victories:

Brady, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw – 4

Most Super Bowl MVP awards:

Brady, Montana – 3

Most Super Bowl attempts

Brady – 247

Elway – 152

Jim Kelly – 145

Most Super Bowl completions

Brady – 164

Peyton Manning – 90

Montana – 83

Warner – 83

Kelly – 81

Most Super Bowl passing yards

Brady – 1,605

Warner – 1,156

Montana – 1,142

Elway – 1,128

Most Super Bowl TD passes

Brady – 13

Montana – 11

Bradshaw – 9

Staubach – 8

Most completions in a Super Bowl

Brady – 37 (Super Bowl XLIX)

Peyton Manning - 34 (Super Bowl XLVIII)

Brady – 32 (Super Bowl XXXVIII)

Drew Brees – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV)

Jim Kelly – 31 (Super Bowl XXVIII)

Kurt Warner – 31 (Super Bowl XLIII)

REGULAR SEASON: All-Time Quarterback Leaderboard

Winning percentage (min. 100 games)Brady – .773 (160-47)

Staubach – .746 (85-29)

Montana – .713 (117-47)

Peyton Manning – .699 (179-77)

Bradshaw – .677 (107-51)

Win-Loss Differential

Brady – +113 (160-47)

Peyton Manning + 102 (179-77)

Favre – +74 (186-112)

Montana – +70 (117-47)

Elway – +66 (148-82)

Most wins by a starting quarterback

Favre – 186

Peyton Manning – 179

Brady – 160

Elway – 148

Marino – 147



Highest average points per game by starting QB

Aaron Rodgers – 28.5 PPG

Brady – 28.1 PPG

Pass completions

Brett Favre – 6,300

Peyton Manning – 5,927

Dan Marino – 4,967

Drew Brees – 4,937

Tom Brady – 4,551

Pass attempts

Favre – 10,169

Peyton Manning – 9,049

Marino – 8,358

Brees – 7,458

John Elway – 7,250

Brady – 7,168

Passing yards

Favre – 71,838

Peyton Manning – 69,691

Marino – 61,361

Brees – 56,033

Brady – 53,258

Passing touchdowns

Peyton Manning – 530

Favre – 508

Marino – 420

Brees – 396

Brady – 392

Passer rating

Aaron Rodgers – 106.0

Tony Romo – 97.6

Peyton Manning – 97.5

Steve Young – 96.8

Brady – 95.9

Interception percentage

Rodgers – 1.6%

Brady – 2.0%

Game-winning drives

Peyton Manning – 52

Marino – 51

Brady – 46

Elway – 46

Favre – 45

Fourth-quarter comebacks

Peyton Manning – 41

Marino – 36

Brady – 35

Elway – 35

Montana – 31

BRADY on the BIGGEST STAGE

It''s the crunch time scores that really sets apart his career from every other. Former Cold, Hard Football Facts contributor Scott Kacsmar and the folks at ProFootballReference.com track the comebacks and game-winning drives for every quarterback in history.Brady, as noted above, tops the list with six fourth-quarter comebacks and nine game-winning drives in the postseason, ahead of legends like Montana (five comebacks) and Elway (six GWD).

Here's a little way to put Brady's record six fourth-quarter comebacks and nine game-winning drives in the playoffs in perspective: consider that Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers has produced a total of eight fourth-quarter comebacks and 12 game-winning drives, total, in all games in his career, including the regular season.

BRADY in SUPER BOWL CRUNCH TIME

Here's a quick look at Brady's Super Bowl fourth quarters. The Patriots have scored 52 fourth-quarter points in six Super Bowls. That's the equivalent of 34.7 PPG, usually against the best defenses in football.

Super Bowl XXXVI (Patriots 20, Rams 17) – 5 of 8 for 53 yards in final 81 seconds of fourth quarter to lead only walk-off scoring drive in Super Bowl history, capped by Adam Vinatieri's 48 yard field goal

Super Bowl XXXVIII (Patriots 32, Panthers 29) – Led three fourth-quarter scoring drives (18 points total) to lead Patriots to victory, capped by Vinatieri 41-yard field goal with 9 seconds to play. Brady final two drives: 10 of 13, 104 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

Super Bowl XXXIX (Patriots 24, Eagles 21) – Patriots score 10 fourth-quarter points against the No. 2 defense in the NFL (16.25 PPG) to capture victory in a game tied 14-14 after three periods.

Super Bowl XLII (Giants 17, Patriots 14) – Most substandard and disappointing performance in both Patriots and Brady history, as 18-0 team fell to heavy underdog Giants. But Brady had lifted Patriots to 14-10 lead with 2:45 to play by leading monster scoring drive: 8 of 11, 71 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

Super Bowl XLVII (Giants 21, Patriots 17) – A near mirror image of previous loss to Giants. In this case, the Patriots failed to produce a single fourth-quarter point in six Super Bowls.

Super Bowl XLIX (Patriots 28, Seahawks 24) – Probably Brady's finest hour in a career filled with them. The Patriots score 14 fourth-quarter points to erase 24-14 deficit in greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. Brady in the fourth quarter: 13 of 15, 124 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

Awesome post.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Wow, that is an awesome post. Cold Hard Facts, lol. His overall excellence in the playoffs, over a LONG period of time, is unparalleled. He has had some bad stretches but by the Patriots winning their 4th and Brady's performance in the 4th qt. -the whole paradigm has shifted. The old conversation doesn't work anymore. The benchmark has been set. And Brady could have 3-5 more years!

 

[Run It Up]

Brady needs to have success on a team without a known cheater as a coach. That's a start

They really need to add this emoticon.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Dude, stop putting downloads and crap that goes on someones computer.

 

[cstu]

Possibly the greatest QB in history was a comp pick.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Possibly the greatest QB in history was a comp pick.

that draft logo looks like if the jetsons opened a hamburger stand

 

[cstu]

Possibly the greatest QB in history was a comp pick.

that draft logo looks like if the jetsons opened a hamburger stand