If you draft Peterson, do you have to draft Chester Taylor also? (1 Viewer)

[JMJ]

Drew out of a hat and I have the #1 pick. I'm considering AP, MJD, and Turner. One thing that has me leaning away from taking Peterson however is that I feel I'd "have to" waste a 9th round pick on Chester Taylor when there are other important positions I could be filling at that time. For example, Leon Washington is generally available at 9.1 and I think he'll have considerable more points than Chester this year and could be a great RB4. There are plenty of solid/upside WRs that go in round 9 along with the tier 3 TEs, etc.

How important is handcuffing? Is it worth passing up a better player in favor of your RB1's backup? A major difference with a guy like MJD is that you can draft Jennings (his assumed backup) in the last round of your draft.

This same question/theory applies to lots of early drafted RBs:

Gore/Coffey

Westbrook/McCoy

Portis/Betts

LT/Sproles

Etc.

What says all of you? Do you pass up a player you feel is better and more helpful to your team on a weekly basis to handcuff your starter?

 

[dansav]

That guy that drafts Turner will have to make the same descision to grab Norwood in the 9th round as well. You could have named this thread If you draft Turner, do you have to draft Norwood also?

to keep is simple I believe in handcuffing.

 

[JMJ]

That guy that drafts Turner will have to make the same descision to grab Norwood in the 9th round as well. You could have named this thread If you draft Turner, do you have to draft Norwood also?to keep is simple I believe in handcuffing.

Right. But Peterson is a bigger name thus a bigger draw.

 

[ceo3west]

I'm calling it right now -- if Peterson goes down, Harvin is the handcuff.

 

[lionsroar]

I play in a large 20 man redraft league. With 40 picks in between my 2 in a row I knew it was going to be unrealistic to handcuff Peterson. I would have had to spend too high of a pick to make it happen. This didn't discourage me from taking him though. I ended up with two other guys that I felt were more important handcuffs on other teams: Sproles and D. Brown. I happen to like Minn. schedule too much this year to not take him.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I believe in handcuffing only if the backup can be had at a reasonable point in the draft. I own LT and would like to have Sproles, but he was snatched up by the ADP owner very early.

 

[zadok]

Do you pass up a player you feel is better and more helpful to your team on a weekly basis to handcuff your starter?

Never. I am very anti-handcuff. Backups are backups for a reason. I only consider it when they are very talented and could flourish (IE Stewart in CAR), but even then I wouldn't do it as a handcuff per se, it would be more of a coincidence. In the case of Peterson/Taylor, I would not do it. Taylor is average. Give me an Ahmad Bradshaw anytime.

 

[Carver]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

 

[JMJ]

Do you pass up a player you feel is better and more helpful to your team on a weekly basis to handcuff your starter?

Never. I am very anti-handcuff. Backups are backups for a reason. I only consider it when they are very talented and could flourish (IE Stewart in CAR), but even then I wouldn't do it as a handcuff per se, it would be more of a coincidence. In the case of Peterson/Taylor, I would not do it. Taylor is average. Give me an Ahmad Bradshaw anytime.

I'm leaning toward agreeing with this mainly not because I don't believe in handcuffing, but more so because I don't like having to use a Round 9 pick in order to secure the handcuff. I'm leaning toward thinking it is too high of a pricetag.A guy like MJD has a cakewalk schedule, could realistically score as many or more points than AP (he did so last year while missing 3 OLineman, playing a much tougher schedule, and splitting carries), and I don't have to "waste" a 9th round pick to handcuff him.I just think round 9 for a handcuff is absurd.

 

[zadok]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

Taylor is not a top 5 back if AP goes down. Not even close.

 

[JMJ]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

But all it is is insurance. What if AP never goes down, starts all 16 and blows up. You then wasted a 9th round pick when you could have used that pick on a better player who could help you on a weekly basis and not only on a "what if" basis.Also, if that is your theory, could one argue it is better to draft another team's backup RB rather than your own? For example, draft Glenn Coffey, or Jerious Norwood in Round 9 rather than Chester because if AP doesn't go down, but Gore or Turner do, you now still have AP and you have another STUD RB in a great system. That type of move can propel you to a championship, drafting Taylor just insures you that you can downgrade your team if AP gets hurt, not improve it. Your lineup doesn't change at all for the better if AP goes down and you have Chester, it just goes down a notch.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

No you don't. And I have Peterson. As I said in thread on same topic, I do not believe any handcuff is mandatory when you have appropriate depth. Do search for handcuff and you should find it. I think it was started Sunday.

ETA link

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=482975

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I will not go into a draft commiting myself to having to get the handcuff...if it happens, it happens....at some point in the draft it it will make sense, but if it's not the time then I don't...for me many times it really depends on how the rest of my draft has gone up until that point....

 

[Knobs]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

Heck, I'm drafting Chester Taylor even though I WON'T have ADP. Really, how often do you actually play your 9ish round pick with any regularity?

 

[JMJ]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

Heck, I'm drafting Chester Taylor even though I WON'T have ADP. Really, how often do you actually play your 9ish round pick with any regularity?

With bye weeks and injuries? Often.Not counting a kicker (cause who really cares about them), most fantasy leagues start, at a minimum 8 players (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1RB/WR, 1TE, 1DEF). Lots of other leagues start 3 WRs and lots of others do 3 WRs AND a flex making those league start 9-10 at a minimum.

In most cases, your 9th round pick is an every week starter on your team.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

In weeks 11 through 16 last year in PPR leagues, Petersen wasn't even an RB1 because of Taylor, who was putting up borderline RB2 numbers those weeks. I think Taylor is a borderline starter, particularly in leagues that start 6 or 7 RB/WR/TE, and once a player falls in that category, chasing him as a handcuff becomes too expensive a proposition.

 

[ookook]

I generally sluff QB and take an early 3rd RB to provide depth. For that matter, I oftern take my 4th WR in a start 3 before QB. So because my 3rd RB is pretty good (Jones, Johnson, Benson types) I do not feel compelled to handcuff. And that is where I am taking several QBs to make up for sluffing them...

So it depends on how good your 3rd RB was.

 

[Knobs]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

:( Heck, I'm drafting Chester Taylor even though I WON'T have ADP. Really, how often do you actually play your 9ish round pick with any regularity?

With bye weeks and injuries? Often.Not counting a kicker (cause who really cares about them), most fantasy leagues start, at a minimum 8 players (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1DEF). Lots of other leagues start 3 WRs and lots of others do 3 WRs AND a flex making those league start 9-10 at a minimum.

In most cases, your 9th round pick is an every week starter on your team.

I start 1 qb, 2 rb's, 4 wr's, 1 te, 1 k, 1 d/stAny player I get in the ninth will play for me based upon the matchup or if I'm decimated by injuries. It'll likely be some wr that isn't statistically THAT much different from some guy I can draft much later.

I don't normally horde backups, but Chester is the one guy that could really give you a monster roster if ADP went down. I can't think of any other backup rb that has the same potential impact that can be had that late and cheap.

 

[JMJ]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

Heck, I'm drafting Chester Taylor even though I WON'T have ADP. Really, how often do you actually play your 9ish round pick with any regularity?

With bye weeks and injuries? Often.Not counting a kicker (cause who really cares about them), most fantasy leagues start, at a minimum 8 players (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1DEF). Lots of other leagues start 3 WRs and lots of others do 3 WRs AND a flex making those league start 9-10 at a minimum.

In most cases, your 9th round pick is an every week starter on your team.

I start 1 qb, 2 rb's, 4 wr's, 1 te, 1 k, 1 d/stAny player I get in the ninth will play for me based upon the matchup or if I'm decimated by injuries. It'll likely be some wr that isn't statistically THAT much different from some guy I can draft much later.



I don't normally horde backups, but Chester is the one guy that could really give you a monster roster if ADP went down. I can't think of any other backup rb that has the same potential impact that can be had that late and cheap.

We're having a disconnect here as it seems like we're arguing separate points. You seem to be saying drafting Taylor if you DO NOT have AP could be a good idea as it will transform your roster into a mega roster if AP were to go down.The point of this thread though is discussing if you should/must handcuff Chester if you are the AP owner. In that case, AP going down doesn't transform you into a "monster roster," it protects your roster - but also downgrades it.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

If I felt like drafting a handcuff was a "wasted" pick I would definitely not take the guy in the 8th/9th round. But looking at the RB/WR drafted in that range, I'd say there's only a 50/50 chance of a guy in the 9th round or so becoming a good player on your team. Here are a few from a recent draft - I don't think Taylor looks much better or worse than most.

8.11 95. Hixon, Domenik NYG WR

8.12 96. Moore, Lance NOS

9.01 97. Taylor, Chester MIN RB

9.03 99. Crabtree, Michael SFO WR

9.05 101. Lewis, Jamal CLE RB

9.06 102. Graham, Earnest TBB RB

9.08 104. Jones, Felix DAL RB

9.09 105. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB

9.10 106. Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR

9.11 107. Harvin, Percy MIN WR

 

[JMJ]

If I felt like drafting a handcuff was a "wasted" pick I would definitely not take the guy in the 8th/9th round. But looking at the RB/WR drafted in that range, I'd say there's only a 50/50 chance of a guy in the 9th round or so becoming a good player on your team. Here are a few from a recent draft - I don't think Taylor looks much better or worse than most.8.11 95. Hixon, Domenik NYG WR 8.12 96. Moore, Lance NOS 9.01 97. Taylor, Chester MIN RB 9.03 99. Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 9.05 101. Lewis, Jamal CLE RB9.06 102. Graham, Earnest TBB RB 9.08 104. Jones, Felix DAL RB 9.09 105. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB 9.10 106. Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR 9.11 107. Harvin, Percy MIN WR

Barring an injury to AP, the only guys on that list I would NOT take over Taylor are Crabtree, Ginn, and Harvin.

 

[Knobs]

We're having a disconnect here as it seems like we're arguing separate points. You seem to be saying drafting Taylor if you DO NOT have AP could be a good idea as it will transform your roster into a mega roster if AP were to go down.The point of this thread though is discussing if you should/must handcuff Chester if you are the AP owner. In that case, AP going down doesn't transform you into a "monster roster," it protects your roster - but also downgrades it.

Fair enough. I'm just saying, as a guy who DOESN'T have him, I would think you don't HAVE to draft the guy (you don't HAVE to draft anyone), but I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to protect your investment with a proven commodity.

 

[cjack]

I think some of it depends on how strong your starters are. If you're starting ADP and Westbrook for example, then you're not really concerned about a lack of production, you're really only concerned about injuries. So, rather than spend a pick on a backup that will never play (aside from some basic protection for bye weeks), you should really only be concerned with who you will start if one or both of ADP and Westbrook go down. So, then the question is, is Chester Taylor and/or McCoy a better starter than the other RBs you could get at a similar draft position. In other words, why draft Jamal Lewis in round 9 when you can draft Chester Taylor since the only reason you'll play either one of them is if Peterson goes down, and if that happens, Taylor is likely a much better choice than Lewis (Again, I'm assuming you'll find something to cover your RB bye weeks).

If one or both of your starters aren't that strong to begin with, drafting handcuffs doesn't seem as worthwhile, because you probably need to take some risks on a larger pool of RBs who regularly see the field.

So, I guess the general rule that you should handcuff your studs has some merit when there's a clear back-up in question (Taylor for ADP, Coffee for Gore, Sproles for LT, etc.) and that back-up can be had without sacrificing too much elsewhere.

 

[Knobs]

I think some of it depends on how strong your starters are. If you're starting ADP and Westbrook for example, then you're not really concerned about a lack of production, you're really only concerned about injuries. So, rather than spend a pick on a backup that will never play (aside from some basic protection for bye weeks), you should really only be concerned with who you will start if one or both of ADP and Westbrook go down. So, then the question is, is Chester Taylor and/or McCoy a better starter than the other RBs you could get at a similar draft position. In other words, why draft Jamal Lewis in round 9 when you can draft Chester Taylor since the only reason you'll play either one of them is if Peterson goes down, and if that happens, Taylor is likely a much better choice than Lewis (Again, I'm assuming you'll find something to cover your RB bye weeks).If one or both of your starters aren't that strong to begin with, drafting handcuffs doesn't seem as worthwhile, because you probably need to take some risks on a larger pool of RBs who regularly see the field.So, I guess the general rule that you should handcuff your studs has some merit when there's a clear back-up in question (Taylor for ADP, Coffee for Gore, Sproles for LT, etc.) and that back-up can be had without sacrificing too much elsewhere.

Very well said. I agree 100% with cjack. The dude nailed it.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I have the first pick and plan to take Peterson. No intention of targeting Taylor.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

We're having a disconnect here as it seems like we're arguing separate points. You seem to be saying drafting Taylor if you DO NOT have AP could be a good idea as it will transform your roster into a mega roster if AP were to go down.The point of this thread though is discussing if you should/must handcuff Chester if you are the AP owner. In that case, AP going down doesn't transform you into a "monster roster," it protects your roster - but also downgrades it.

Fair enough. I'm just saying, as a guy who DOESN'T have him, I would think you don't HAVE to draft the guy (you don't HAVE to draft anyone), but I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to protect your investment with a proven commodity.

because he will most likely be sitting on your bench, while the other guy you may have picked instead might be a starter for you......it has been my approach to never go into a draft expecting an injury....I think all my guys will play all year....therefore I try to get the best team possible at the draft....if an injury happens, then I have to adjust....if I draft Taylor it will be with what I think he can do for me with ADP healthy (whether I have ADP or not)....i think if you start chasing the "I'm gonna take this guy, cause he could be huge if so-and-so gets injured" mentality, your going to be playing catch-up on your roster all year....take guys for what they are worth right now, if their situation improves, that's just gravy....however if you own ADP, and it is that point in the draft where it's between Chester (standing alone on his own production) versus another guy, then sure the nod may go to Chester..........

 

[Routilla]

If AP went down it would be a RBBC with Taylor and Harvin.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I have ADP in a keep 1 league...I fully expect another owner to reach for Chester way too early just because he thinks it will bug me.....he will look for my reaction while he is saying his name....I won't flinch......meanwhile, that's one more player that will slide to me that I may like more....would I like to get Chester, sure, but only when it makes sense....

 

[Marcumzilla]

I handcuffed him, but I was able to get him in round 12 of 15.

 

[Darko M]

Shark move is letting another team take Chester way too early and then by week 3, after he's been rotting on the guys bench (providing absolutely zero value) you get Chester as a throw in via trade.

 

[ExtraPoint]

The only thing you have to do is try to win. The reason handcuffing is a good strategy is that its a cheap way to backup a stud with another one. However lineups and bench size have a lot to with the actual value you get in return for such a strategy. Just like a QB is worth a lot more in a start 2QB league or a pass catching RB is worth a lot more in a PPR league. Oh yea, Taylor has put up borderline starter numbers in PPR leagues even with a healthy Peterson. A 30 yeard old backup RB isnt a must draft, but in many leagues he offers a lot of value.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I believe in handcuffing if the backup will assume the same role and put of reasonably close numbers.

I go with Taylor in that scenario because I believe that he would be the bellcow if ADP got hurt and he would be pretty productive as the bellcow in Minny.

But that might not be the case if, say, Tomlinson gets hurt. Sproles might find himself in a RBBC with Gartrell instead of assuming Tomlinson's role. If the backup won't get the same opportunity the starter was getting, I might pass and take someone else's backup who has more upside.

 

[Ray_T]

Drew out of a hat and I have the #1 pick. I'm considering AP, MJD, and Turner. One thing that has me leaning away from taking Peterson however is that I feel I'd "have to" waste a 9th round pick on Chester Taylor when there are other important positions I could be filling at that time. For example, Leon Washington is generally available at 9.1 and I think he'll have considerable more points than Chester this year and could be a great RB4. There are plenty of solid/upside WRs that go in round 9 along with the tier 3 TEs, etc.How important is handcuffing? Is it worth passing up a better player in favor of your RB1's backup? A major difference with a guy like MJD is that you can draft Jennings (his assumed backup) in the last round of your draft.This same question/theory applies to lots of early drafted RBs:Gore/CoffeyWestbrook/McCoyPortis/BettsLT/SprolesEtc.What says all of you? Do you pass up a player you feel is better and more helpful to your team on a weekly basis to handcuff your starter?

what kind of numbers do you feel Chester will put up if he were the starter? Ask yourself that question and now look at the RB you were considering instead of Chester Taylor. If he can Put up similar numbers, he is already more useful because you can use him for bye weeks or trade him for someone else you need. Chester is really only valuable if ADP gets hurt. Otherwise, he is worthless.

 

[barista]

If AD goes down... Chet is a top 5 back instantly. How many other handcuffs can you say that about?

that's why you take him - with or without ADP.

 

[None_More_Black]

Taylor was RB 36 last year. He presents huge value to the ADP owner in the ninth round. You should already have an rb3 by this point so I don't see what the debate is.

 

[Instinctive]

The thing is, you aren't starting the other guy you draft at that point either.

2 Rb 2 WR TE W/R QB

7 players. And once you get that far, it becomes about picking the guys you like from a whole bunch of others that are pretty much the same.

If you have 3 RB and WR and a QB and a TE, why not cuff AD with Chester @ 9.01? (assuming 12 team league) It's a bench guy, and a bench guy's purpose is to play when your starter is out. If AD goes down, I would much rather have Chester in there than Julius Jones (now Edgerrin James I guess). Again, it isn't that you predict injury, it is that you know that of all the guys available there, if any of them get opportunity Chester is the guy who will probably do the most with it. He's proven that he can.

Seriously...if all starting RBs are gone by 9.01 (I think that is a relatively safe assumption) then you're drafting on upside. If I don't have AD I start looking at Chester there. Once i get that deep in a draft I am lookign at an upside QB, a couple WRs that seem to have opportunity (like Gage/Mason) and RBs with upside.

You already have starters and probably 1 backup there. It's time to take Taylor, Bradshaw, Ware, Scott, Jennings et al because they have more upside.

I would rather draft boom/bust picks with my late round guys that aren't starting anyway, because if I really need a 6 point game from Kevin Faulk he's probably gonna be on the wire. But if Scott blows up I don't want to be depending on having the best Waiver priority. I want him there already, on my team.

Point being, Chester has top 8 or so updside. Tough to pass that up in that stage of drafting, and only moreso if I have Peterson.