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Hallo friends! My name McGarnicle, get it! Simpsons reference is quite topical yes? No? Well #### you then! Hahaha just kidding.

I come from failing FF site called tailgate with members dying off like drink kool ade south america. I don't want die, read amazing, epic long thread about Chinese man with dating dilemma. Woman Alyssa. Feel confuse -- for such rich, detailed thread never happen at tailgate, we only talk about best brand of string trimmer. But my two yuan below...

For the past year I have work two job -- local Chinese restaurant form wonton into triangular delicacy, other job personal trainer. Recently I meet very appetizing Oriental Princess -- ### like ten year old boy! Could suck-start leafblower! Most incredible body too and a pair of ####### that make you stand up and beg for buttermilk!!! Best part!!! She have idiot ex-boyfriend who pay our rent and cellphone bill!!! Augh, I just make mistake in my pants for being so excited about current arrangement with such whore!!! Forgive me my new friends.

I would like draft Arian Foster #1 overall but he now vegetarian, smart move or not? Running back need protein to run fast.

 
There's several, gb. Just take no. 16's thread and expound it over about a year of threads. And eliminate the cheating and PT part from the girls end but add some ispying from her family and a lost lunch, and there you have it.

 
Hallo friends! My name McGarnicle, get it! Simpsons reference is quite topical yes? No? Well #### you then! Hahaha just kidding.I come from failing FF site called tailgate with members dying off like drink kool ade south america. I don't want die, read amazing, epic long thread about Chinese man with dating dilemma. Woman Alyssa. Feel confuse -- for such rich, detailed thread never happen at tailgate, we only talk about best brand of string trimmer. But my two yuan below...For the past year I have work two job -- local Chinese restaurant form wonton into triangular delicacy, other job personal trainer. Recently I meet very appetizing Oriental Princess -- ### like ten year old boy! Could suck-start leafblower! Most incredible body too and a pair of ####### that make you stand up and beg for buttermilk!!! Best part!!! She have idiot ex-boyfriend who pay our rent and cellphone bill!!! Augh, I just make mistake in my pants for being so excited about current arrangement with such whore!!! Forgive me my new friends.I would like draft Arian Foster #1 overall but he now vegetarian, smart move or not? Running back need protein to run fast.
Terrible true lies ripoff too.
 
Hallo friends! My name McGarnicle, get it! Simpsons reference is quite topical yes? No? Well #### you then! Hahaha just kidding.I come from failing FF site called tailgate with members dying off like drink kool ade south america. I don't want die, read amazing, epic long thread about Chinese man with dating dilemma. Woman Alyssa. Feel confuse -- for such rich, detailed thread never happen at tailgate, we only talk about best brand of string trimmer. But my two yuan below...For the past year I have work two job -- local Chinese restaurant form wonton into triangular delicacy, other job personal trainer. Recently I meet very appetizing Oriental Princess -- ### like ten year old boy! Could suck-start leafblower! Most incredible body too and a pair of ####### that make you stand up and beg for buttermilk!!! Best part!!! She have idiot ex-boyfriend who pay our rent and cellphone bill!!! Augh, I just make mistake in my pants for being so excited about current arrangement with such whore!!! Forgive me my new friends.I would like draft Arian Foster #1 overall but he now vegetarian, smart move or not? Running back need protein to run fast.
Ungood.
 
So when is the whore due back in town?

Maybe all three of you can get together? I bet 16 would take some mud pushing for his girl.

This could get good again. :popcorn:

 
C'mon 16, you've been on the "user(s) are browsing this forum" list all day.

How about an update?
the coral temptress returned from her last tryst with the PT and I have just been chilling with my homies. i work out all the time, love to do #### outside, am devoting myself to christ, and i'm planning some awesome, interesting, trips (that i will, OF COURSE, pay for) in other words, i've been devoting my every waking moment to making her happy.. we talk all the time now, check in with each other all the time, to ensure that ####### whore isnt gobbling up somebody elses gatorade.so, in a nutshell, my #### is CRACKIN!

 
C'mon 16, you've been on the "user(s) are browsing this forum" list all day.

How about an update?
Not much to update.Went "rafting" this weekend in Sacramento. Had a great time: boozed it up, partied with ladies, etc. Nothing really too crazy to talk about other than it was CRACKIN'! Pretty much all of the single girls that was supposed to be in the group flaked at the last minute (4 of them - one of which was a cute Latina nurse that her friend wanted to introduce to me), so that kind sucked.

NEWS PIECE: Rafting Gone Wild

Afterwards, went to a lounge in downtown Sac that night (forgot which one) and partied it up some more. Tried to spit some game, but aside from getting the number of some Indian chick (didn't do much work here - we made eye contact as she passed me on the dance floor with a friend. A few minutes later, I see her in front of me and we just start dancing for a bit. Wasn't able to progress it as her friend came back and my wingmen were busy with other girls. She gave me her number before her friend dragged her away), not very eventful.

In regards to the ex. Her e-mails stopped on Thursday. My initial reaction was that she didn't want anything to do with me anymore or the PT found out. Oh well. I sent a few e-mails and tried to call her, no reply. Yesterday, I asked my GB's GF if she had spoken to the ex or seen her update Facebook/Instagram and she said she didn't. I began to get worried that something may have happened to her so I texted her sister to see if she was ok. Sister informs me that he phone was stolen... so yah now just sitting in the dark waiting until she comes back.

Not much like I said.

Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways. Again, not much to update on until she gets back. Just glad she's ok and yah.... we'll see where it goes when she comes back.

 
Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
 
C'mon 16, you've been on the "user(s) are browsing this forum" list all day.

How about an update?
the coral temptress is still on her last tryst with the PT and I have just been chilling with my homies....snip...

we talk all the time now, check in with each other all the time, to ensure that ####### whore isnt gobbling up somebody elses gatorade. She still does what she wants, and knows that I'll always be here for her.

So, in a nutshell, my #### is CRACKIN! I'm still waiting for her to tell me what to do.
ETA
 
Married guys - reflect on your friends who are completely and totally whipped - does #16 seem like a guy who is heading in that direction (regardless of who he is with)? Sounds like it to me. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be in a relationship and wanting to be in love with someone (even if she cheated on you - yeah, I'll say it....if you can get over it and reconcile the trust issues, you're a better man than I), but there is something really disheartening about your lack of self-respect in all of this.

I'm sure Alyssa is gorgeous (I'm sure she looks great in that coral dress), smart, funny, and all of that. But she has not shown one ounce of respect for you over the last 7 months. Think about that. And from your earlier comments in the thread, it sounds like she didn't have much respect for you before that, either. You live in one of the major population centers of the US, you're young, you've got a good job....you've got a lot going for you.

I personally don't believe in "the one". There are women out there who will make you feel the way Alyssa made you feel AND will respect you as a person. You just need to take the initiative to find one of them.

I have a feeling this will fall on deaf ears, and you have to make your own mistakes (and I'm younger than you so I can't really impart any "I've been there" knowledge), but for the love of god, have some self-respect, man. This thread is a tough read, and I really wish the best for you. Good luck.

 
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Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Yes. That's why I finally don't care what everyone else thinks about my relationship with the ex for once. For the past 7 months, I played the I don't want to be back with her card, my life is better, etc when deep down inside I just wanted to let her know I can forgive her and we could work it out if she was willing (which through our talks is what it seemed like she wanted to do all along). Now does that mean everyone's advice is useless or fallen on deaf ears? Nope. I may not be following everyone's advice, but it's in the back of my mind and is helping me temper my expectations of the relationship and, some of you may find this surprising, but empowering me.

I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

Not yet, but judging from his comments after she dumped me, I'm pretty sure he's on the same page as you guys.

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Last night before we played some basketball:

"Are you ####### serious? You haven't even given anyone else a chance. There's plenty of other girls out there that will be like Alyssa, but won't cheat on you. You know she's just getting back with you because you have a better job and are more stable."

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

She just sent me an e-mail discussing her situation, apologizing for not writing me everyday like she said she would, and saying she will continue to try. I don't like to think about it. International calls are expensive? Borrowing likely a friend of your current boyfriend's phone to call your ex-boyfriend is kind of weird? Who knows? All I can do is trust her.

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Aside from the cheating, she really is everything I could look for in a partner. The cheating is not a small thing, but everything else is there.

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?

Likely, but she could also be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. I'll find out soon enough.

 
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Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Yes. That's why I finally don't care what everyone else thinks about my relationship with the ex for once. For the past 7 months, I played the I don't want to be back with her card, my life is better, etc when deep down inside I just wanted to let her know I can forgive her and we could work it out if she was willing (which through our talks is what it seemed like she wanted to do all along). Now does that mean everyone's advice is useless or fallen on deaf ears? Nope. I may not be following everyone's advice, but it's in the back of my mind and is helping me temper my expectations of the relationship and, some of you may find this surprising, but empowering me.

I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

Not yet, but judging from his comments after she dumped me, I'm pretty sure he's on the same page as you guys.

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Last night before we played some basketball:

"Are you ####### serious? You haven't even given anyone else a chance. There's plenty of other girls out there that will be like Alyssa, but won't cheat on you. You know she's just getting back with you because you have a better job and are more stable."

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

She just sent me an e-mail discussing her situation, apologizing for not writing me everyday like she said she would, and saying she will continue to try. I don't like to think about it. International calls are expensive? Borrowing likely a friend of your current boyfriend's phone to call your ex-boyfriend is kind of weird? Who knows? All I can do is trust her.

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Aside from the cheating, she really is everything I could look for in a partner. The cheating is not a small thing, but everything else is there.

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?

Likely, but she could also be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. I'll find out soon enough.
I was on your side in the beginning of this.

NOW THIS

 
Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Yes. That's why I finally don't care what everyone else thinks about my relationship with the ex for once. For the past 7 months, I played the I don't want to be back with her card, my life is better, etc when deep down inside I just wanted to let her know I can forgive her and we could work it out if she was willing (which through our talks is what it seemed like she wanted to do all along). Now does that mean everyone's advice is useless or fallen on deaf ears? Nope. I may not be following everyone's advice, but it's in the back of my mind and is helping me temper my expectations of the relationship and, some of you may find this surprising, but empowering me.

I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

Not yet, but judging from his comments after she dumped me, I'm pretty sure he's on the same page as you guys.

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Last night before we played some basketball:

"Are you ####### serious? You haven't even given anyone else a chance. There's plenty of other girls out there that will be like Alyssa, but won't cheat on you. You know she's just getting back with you because you have a better job and are more stable."

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

She just sent me an e-mail discussing her situation, apologizing for not writing me everyday like she said she would, and saying she will continue to try. I don't like to think about it. International calls are expensive? Borrowing likely a friend of your current boyfriend's phone to call your ex-boyfriend is kind of weird? Who knows? All I can do is trust her.

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Aside from the cheating, she really is everything I could look for in a partner. The cheating is not a small thing, but everything else is there.

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?

Likely, but she could also be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. I'll find out soon enough.
I was on your side in the beginning of this.

NOW THIS
How am I being a ########?
 
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Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Yes. That's why I finally don't care what everyone else thinks about my relationship with the ex for once. For the past 7 months, I played the I don't want to be back with her card, my life is better, etc when deep down inside I just wanted to let her know I can forgive her and we could work it out if she was willing (which through our talks is what it seemed like she wanted to do all along). Now does that mean everyone's advice is useless or fallen on deaf ears? Nope. I may not be following everyone's advice, but it's in the back of my mind and is helping me temper my expectations of the relationship and, some of you may find this surprising, but empowering me.

I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

Not yet, but judging from his comments after she dumped me, I'm pretty sure he's on the same page as you guys.

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Last night before we played some basketball:

"Are you ####### serious? You haven't even given anyone else a chance. There's plenty of other girls out there that will be like Alyssa, but won't cheat on you. You know she's just getting back with you because you have a better job and are more stable."

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

She just sent me an e-mail discussing her situation, apologizing for not writing me everyday like she said she would, and saying she will continue to try. I don't like to think about it. International calls are expensive? Borrowing likely a friend of your current boyfriend's phone to call your ex-boyfriend is kind of weird? Who knows? All I can do is trust her.

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Aside from the cheating, she really is everything I could look for in a partner. The cheating is not a small thing, but everything else is there.

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?

Likely, but she could also be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. I'll find out soon enough.
I was on your side in the beginning of this.

NOW THIS
How am I being a ########?
Just everything. Would not know where to start.All I can put into a few words from reading all of this from the start is she does not, has not, and probably isn't capable of loving you unconditionally. She can't possibly love you and do what she did to you.

Also, you mentioned all these expectations. You really don't love her unconditionally either. To do so, means you have no expectations.

"What if" is more important to you than her cheating on you again? One of the most delusional things I've ever read.

GL

 
Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways.
So not only a bunch of d-bags that you don't know on the internet and refer to as the FFA, but your real life friends and family are telling you not to let this woman back into your life, but you're going to do it anyway?Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?
Don't you have any respect for yourself? Do you not care what everyone you know in real life is telling you?Yes. That's why I finally don't care what everyone else thinks about my relationship with the ex for once. For the past 7 months, I played the I don't want to be back with her card, my life is better, etc when deep down inside I just wanted to let her know I can forgive her and we could work it out if she was willing (which through our talks is what it seemed like she wanted to do all along). Now does that mean everyone's advice is useless or fallen on deaf ears? Nope. I may not be following everyone's advice, but it's in the back of my mind and is helping me temper my expectations of the relationship and, some of you may find this surprising, but empowering me.

I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.

Have you talked to your father? That seems to be the relationship you're trying to follow. If he can fix it so can you. Right? What's his opinion?

Not yet, but judging from his comments after she dumped me, I'm pretty sure he's on the same page as you guys.

What advice has your brother given you regarding this whole thing?

Last night before we played some basketball:

"Are you ####### serious? You haven't even given anyone else a chance. There's plenty of other girls out there that will be like Alyssa, but won't cheat on you. You know she's just getting back with you because you have a better job and are more stable."

Why are you "in the dark, waiting until she comes back"? If she's willing to commit to you she should've been in constant contact with you while away with PT. What do you think she's doing right now? Do you really think nobody else will let her borrow their phone?

She just sent me an e-mail discussing her situation, apologizing for not writing me everyday like she said she would, and saying she will continue to try. I don't like to think about it. International calls are expensive? Borrowing likely a friend of your current boyfriend's phone to call your ex-boyfriend is kind of weird? Who knows? All I can do is trust her.

Why are you willing to even see where it goes when she comes back?

Aside from the cheating, she really is everything I could look for in a partner. The cheating is not a small thing, but everything else is there.

Do you even realize how you're being strung along?

Likely, but she could also be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. I'll find out soon enough.
I was on your side in the beginning of this.

NOW THIS
How am I being a ########?
Just everything. Would not know where to start.All I can put into a few words from reading all of this from the start is she does not, has not, and probably isn't capable of loving you unconditionally. She can't possibly love you and do what she did to you.

Also, you mentioned all these expectations. You really don't love her unconditionally either. To do so, means you have no expectations.

"What if" is more important to you than her cheating on you again? One of the most delusional things I've ever read.

GL
So people you love never make mistakes?No human love is unconditional IMO even those couples who are happily married.

When I talk about expectations I mean things we need to do to make things work. Be honest with each other, transparency, and be willing to work thing out.

Do you know for sure she will cheat on me again?

 
So people you love never make mistakes?No human love is unconditional IMO even those couples who are happily married. When I talk about expectations I mean things we need to do to make things work. Be honest with each other, transparency, and be willing to work thing out. Do you know for sure she will cheat on me again?
People make mistakes all the time. The mistake she made isn't really a mistake. She didn't miss a question on a test. She ####ed up your life big time and on purpose.Those that are the happiest are those that strive for unconditional the most. No one is perfect for sure.Transparency? Don't see her doing this at all. Ever. I don't know for sure. I've never had anyone cheat on me, but I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks and putting down some :moneybag:
 
No. 16 - my ex cheated on me. We worked through it and I stayed with her. What questions do you have for me?
1) How long ago was it?2) Did she become 1000% transparent for you after it?3) Was he a PT or Gardener?
It was about 3 years ago. She was on a business trip. It was a bartender. She told me on the drive back from the airport. She was in tears and told me within 10 minutes without me prodding. She was in tears and answered every single question I had. She told me stuff I probably didn't want to know. The guy wrote her an email soon after she got back. She told me about it. She told him to beat it as she was going to try making things work. Things were tense for a couple weeks. She put a ton of work into the relationship and winning me back. I put zero into the relationship for about 6 weeks and told her I had limited interest in doing so as it was clear to me we were pretty much done. We had been essentially living together when it happened but after the incident I went out with at least one other woman. We spent close to a year together after it happened. I had virtually zero trust in her for a long while. Things were never quite the same but within 6 months after the affair we were back to it being a great relationship and trust had returned. We split for reasons completely unrelated to the affair a little over a year after it happened.I have nowhere near the level of experience as some other folks on here, but I firmly believe just about anything can be worked out if both parties are willing to communicate and be completely open/honest with the other.
 
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No. 16 - my ex cheated on me. We worked through it and I stayed with her. What questions do you have for me?
1) How long ago was it?2) Did she become 1000% transparent for you after it?3) Was he a PT or Gardener?
It was about 3 years ago. She was on a business trip. It was a bartender. She told me on the drive back from the airport. She was in tears and told me within 10 minutes without me prodding. She was in tears and answered every single question I had. She told me stuff I probably didn't want to know. The guy wrote her an email soon after she got back. She told me about it. She told him to beat it as she was going to try making things work. Things were tense for a couple weeks. She put a ton of work into the relationship and winning me back. I put zero into the relationship for about 6 weeks and told her I had limited interest in doing so as it was clear to me we were pretty much done. We had been essentially living together when it happened but after the incident I went out with at least one other woman. We spent close to a year together after it happened. I had virtually zero trust in her for a long while. Things were never quite the same but within 6 months after the affair we were back to it being a great relationship and trust had returned. We split for reasons completely unrelated to the affair a little over a year after it happened.I have nowhere near the level of experience as some other folks on here, but I firmly believe just about anything can be worked out if both parties are willing to communicate and be completely open/honest with the other.
Total transparency has to be must. And not just the crappy details of what happened. Anything can be over come, but cheating has to be one of the tougher ones.Just don't see #16's being transparent enough for it to work. You said it took ten minutes. She's on month seven and cared more about the dog. She only wants to think about working it out now because there is doubt in her mind about the PT. Gotta cover those bases!
 
No. 16 - my ex cheated on me. We worked through it and I stayed with her. What questions do you have for me?
1) How long ago was it?2) Did she become 1000% transparent for you after it?3) Was he a PT or Gardener?
It was about 3 years ago. She was on a business trip. It was a bartender. She told me on the drive back from the airport. She was in tears and told me within 10 minutes without me prodding. She was in tears and answered every single question I had. She told me stuff I probably didn't want to know. The guy wrote her an email soon after she got back. She told me about it. She told him to beat it as she was going to try making things work. Things were tense for a couple weeks. She put a ton of work into the relationship and winning me back. I put zero into the relationship for about 6 weeks and told her I had limited interest in doing so as it was clear to me we were pretty much done. We had been essentially living together when it happened but after the incident I went out with at least one other woman. We spent close to a year together after it happened. I had virtually zero trust in her for a long while. Things were never quite the same but within 6 months after the affair we were back to it being a great relationship and trust had returned. We split for reasons completely unrelated to the affair a little over a year after it happened.I have nowhere near the level of experience as some other folks on here, but I firmly believe just about anything can be worked out if both parties are willing to communicate and be completely open/honest with the other.
Thanks for sharing. I remember you saying that previously this relationship ended some what violently or something? Something about calling the police and what not? This is also the same "ex" that you are missing still despite having slept with other women and taking a year off from dating? Curious why it ended if it had nothing to do with the affair?When you guys were working things out did you have access to her phone, e-mail, Facebook, etc or did you put your 100% complete faith in her?
 
i take a lot of risks in my life. i have ####ed up a lot. i have been cheated on. i have had my heart crushed. what ifs are more fun later in life. they're much better than the cold hard facts.

 
No. 16 - my ex cheated on me. We worked through it and I stayed with her. What questions do you have for me?
1) How long ago was it?2) Did she become 1000% transparent for you after it?

3) Was he a PT or Gardener?
It was about 3 years ago. She was on a business trip. It was a bartender. She told me on the drive back from the airport. She was in tears and told me within 10 minutes without me prodding. She was in tears and answered every single question I had. She told me stuff I probably didn't want to know. The guy wrote her an email soon after she got back. She told me about it. She told him to beat it as she was going to try making things work. Things were tense for a couple weeks. She put a ton of work into the relationship and winning me back. I put zero into the relationship for about 6 weeks and told her I had limited interest in doing so as it was clear to me we were pretty much done. We had been essentially living together when it happened but after the incident I went out with at least one other woman. We spent close to a year together after it happened. I had virtually zero trust in her for a long while. Things were never quite the same but within 6 months after the affair we were back to it being a great relationship and trust had returned. We split for reasons completely unrelated to the affair a little over a year after it happened.

I have nowhere near the level of experience as some other folks on here, but I firmly believe just about anything can be worked out if both parties are willing to communicate and be completely open/honest with the other.
Thanks for sharing. I remember you saying that previously this relationship ended some what violently or something? Something about calling the police and what not? This is also the same "ex" that you are missing still despite having slept with other women and taking a year off from dating? Curious why it ended if it had nothing to do with the affair?

When you guys were working things out did you have access to her phone, e-mail, Facebook, etc or did you put your 100% complete faith in her?
The actual breakup was simple enough. She was having to travel a LOT for work and it was only going to get worse. I suspect her dad was deliberately sending her places (she worked for his company) as the two of us disliked one another a great deal (though her mom loved me). It got too much to continue a relationship at that point in our lives. It sucks, but sometimes you need to realize it's more than the right people meeting - it's about meeting the right person at the right time in your life. That time wasn't then.I was an idiot and we lived together for the next two weeks after we broke up instead of me immediately staying with a friend or getting a hotel. She made a big deal about me not bringing any skanks over. One night she came home late and I saw a casual acquaintance winking at me as he closed her bedroom door.

I kicked the door in and she was completely naked and he was topless. I'm a tall guy at about 6'3 but only about 165 at the time. This guy is at least 6'6" and weighed at least 50 pounds more than me. I bum-rushed the dude and slammed him into the closet, breaking the doors. I started pounding on the guy before I lost the element of surprise and he started fighting back. I was somehow holding my own (probably because he was tipsy and I was sober) but taking more of a beating than I'd like. Eventually I managed to shove him out of the house (slamming his hand in the door). She was drunker than I'd ever seen her and started screaming at me. We started screaming at each other. He came flying back in because in my rage I forgot to lock the door. He claimed he just wanted to make sure I wasn't hitting her. I screamed something along the lines of "I don't hit women" as I slammed the clock radio into the side of his head. He got in a few blows before I again managed to get him outside, this time locking the door. She was a monster I'd never seen before and still screaming. I was screaming back at her. She grabbed the house phone and said she was calling the cops. I yanked the phone out of her hands while yelling and she kicked me in the nuts. Hard. I started yelling back and she kicked me again. She tried kicking me a third time and I grabbed her foot and pushed her back. She tried tackling me and I basically caught her mid jump and body slammed her naked drunken self into the floor. The phone came loose as I stood stunned and apologetic. She slammed the door in my face and I heard her sobbing hysterically to the cops her boyfriend had attacked her. It's a sickening feeling hearing your name spelled out to the police. I called my buddy and left a voicemail asking him to come pick me up. Why I didn't immediately leave is something I couldn't tell you. It didn't occur to me in that moment.

A few minutes later the cops showed up (3 cop cars!) and they asked me to step outside. They were very clearly on her side as they escorted me to the curb. They planted my butt down and barked at me loudly if I spoke when I wasn't supposed to and hurled a few expletives at me when I tried moving or explaining the situation. The mutual acquaintance showed up from down the street and gave his story to the cops. Cops asked if I knew the guy and what the deal was there. I told them I had no issue with the guy and if he bought me a drink next time we saw each other everything would good. Then they started asking me my side of the story. I gave it to 'em. Told them the only time I touched her was when I was defending my nuts from being attacked. They asked if I wanted to press charges. I laughed and told them of course not.

At this point the cops were fighting back the laughter and said good, because none of them wanted to take pictures of the assault. They asked me again if I wanted to press charges. I said no. Then I heard her. She was screaming expletives at the cops. She had been one of the sweetest, kindest, and quietest women I'd ever known during our few years together. The person I heard and saw that night was something completely different. She was hurling obscenity after obscenity to me and the police. The cops seemed to ease up on me as it was clear my sobriety and her attitude had turned the tide in my favor. One of the cops told me we both couldn't stay there that night and if I wasn't pressing charges I needed to leave. I was thisclose to saying I'd bail when I heard some more expletives coming from the house and her demanding to know why I wasn't being arrested.

I reminded myself of a scene from 'The Grinch who Stole Christmas' as a huge devilish smile crept across my face. I proudly told the cop I'm pressing charges. He knew it was all bull#### and tried pressuring me not to. Kept asking me if I was willing to stand up in a court of law in front of dozens of people and say I was assaulted by a woman. This pissed me off and I looked at him with the calmest of faces and said I'm a firm believer in sexual equality. He responded by saying he had no idea what that means. We stood in silence, starting at each other for 10-15 seconds before he wandered into the house. Her screams got even louder and a minute later she was being dragged from the house in handcuffs. She was screaming at the cops. Screaming at me. Making threats saying her dad would contact lawyers and sue me, sue the cops, and press charges. I smiled and nodded my head. That set her off even more. As she was stuffed into the backseat I gave her a wink.

The cops drove off while I went inside and popped open a bottle of hard cider to celebrate. Then I packed a pound of ice on my ####. I spent the next 2-3 hours scouring the neighborhood for our dog. I finally found him and as I was getting ready to leave I heard the answering machine pick up. It was her on the machine, apologizing for her behavior. She was fighting back tears and saying she hoped I'd forgive her and not press charges. She rambled on for about a minute, saying it was no fun to sober up in a jail cell. I listened to the entire message. When she started giving information on her location/contact information I closed the door and left.

I wish I could say that was the end of things between us. It wasn't. I ended up spending many, many hours getting medical attention for my injury. We were on speaking terms not too long after the attack. I hooked up with a couple women when she went off on her next trip. I was still in no position to bang women. I was on some serious painkillers and had to walk with a bit of a shuffle everywhere I went. Every time I went to the hospital for the next installment the male nurses would always pop their head into my room and say something along the lines of "oooh man. I feel ya. I'm gonna come back soon and take care of you." I took more shots in the ### than cran. Trying to nail some chick when you walk like an old man is nearly impossible. Sex was mostly unpleasant. My balls slamming into anything sent agonizing shockwaves through my body.

Then things turned bitter between the ex and myself (which is an even longer story). We both ended up leaving that town for good within the year. She moved to the other side of the country and I moved 40ish miles away.

When I say I miss her, I mean I miss the woman I fell in love with. If I could get back with her I would without a moment's hesitation. But that woman no longer exists. The biggest gut punch came when I logged onto okcupid not long after and saw her listed as a top 10 match of all women across the country at a 98.something % match. But some things cannot be unseen. Pandora's box has been opened. You can't go home again. I knew (but didn't fully comprehend) the woman I had once loved was gone for good. It just wasn't the same. I would not get back with the current version (and hope to never be tempted). Some parts I miss very much. I hope to someday meet a woman that has some of those qualities. But I hope to God she's missing other attributes. The woman you dated is not the woman you're chatting with. No matter how much you wish she were.

Is your story completely different? Absolutely. It's also probably not as different as you hope. When we were initially getting back together, I had complete access to everything. She offered. I accepted. I stopped checking after four weeks. If you're going to try making it work, you can't be so paranoid. It'll eat you alive. After we split, I blocked her emails. I didn't delete her number but I was usually able to refrain from checking the texts. I'm guilty of logging into her facebook half a dozen times. I broke that habit within 2-3 months. Some emails made me smile. Others not so much. I forced myself to focus on other things. With other things to occupy my time and her out of sight, the longing slowly passed. And yes, she was hot. offdee has seen pictures and he gave her an 8. But there are lots of hot women. There's always another hot chick waiting for you. Always.

I took a year off from dating because after the breakup I went on the warpath. I used to be a complete manwhore and I put the old me to shame. I created a sex bingo game with friends. There was a square for teacher, nurse, dental assistant, actress (gb SoCal), mechanic (a chick was playing with us and she wanted to even the playing field), student, retail employee, lawyer, free square, and a few others. Those were some fun times. I lost to a gb thanks to my inability to close the deal with a bookkeeper. It grew real tiresome. I hated everything. I despise how absurdly simple it is to date. I hated the typical questions you always ask/answer. I wanted a higher class of women and more of a chase. I wanted a woman who would pique my interest and not only give me a run for my money but beat me at whatever the subject may be. I wasn't going to easily find it at current lot in life. I'm by no means some good looking rich player. Heck, bucky has seen my profile. I'm simply an extremely outgoing person who loves to talk, is confident, and has little shame. That translates well. I decided I needed to get back to focusing on my career and achieving some other goals. I even curtailed partying/hanging out for the same time period. I just wanted to change into something 'better'. Even recently with my activity in the i-dating thread I've killed a few leads the old me would have banged. Just no longer what I'm looking for. :shrug:

At least it gives me something to laugh about. I shared part of this story with some chick at a bar last week. I was there with a friend and some girl was clearly upset over her breakup. I gave some details from my story and we shared some good laughs. Even got her number when the night came to a close.

Your story sucks. It really does. I don't envy you. But it's a story that needs to be coming to a close. One way or another. It's been 7 months. If you want the ex, get aggressive. Push the issue. Woo her. Dinners, cards, flowers. Be relentless. Do not accept anything less than her jumping into bed with you and ending all contact with the pt. Or her telling you to beat it. Get back with her and a year from now you can share your story with some fbg before you go out and hit the town as a single man. Because there is no happy ending to your story with Alyssa. Not now. You're both too immature. If you want a serious chance, you both need to do some growing up apart from one another. I urge you to take 6 months to figure things out. No Alyssa. Tell her you'll shoot her an email in 6 months. If you're going to make things work you need a fresh start with her. And you cannot have a fresh start if there's never been an ending. Maybe she has done some growing up while away from you (I'm skeptical as she was contacting you off and on). But reading your posts here it is painfully clear you're not ready for anything serious with this woman. You might try lying to yourself and say you are but you really aren't. You're a selfish, greedy, spoiled child who wants his toy and wants it now. Part of being a man means you sometimes need to make some painful decisions. This is one of those times. You need some time away from her. Zero contact. And you desperately need to see what other women can offer you. So sack up, soldier.

 
Talked to a few people about what is going on and you guys maybe surprised... but everyone basically saying the same thing as you guys but of course in much gentler ways. Again, not much to update on until she gets back. Just glad she's ok and yah.... we'll see where it goes when she comes back.
You have good friends. Believe them.
 
The actual breakup was simple enough. She was having to travel a LOT for work and it was only going to get worse. I suspect her dad was deliberately sending her places (she worked for his company) as the two of us disliked one another a great deal (though her mom loved me). It got too much to continue a relationship at that point in our lives. It sucks, but sometimes you need to realize it's more than the right people meeting - it's about meeting the right person at the right time in your life. That time wasn't then.

I was an idiot and we lived together for the next two weeks after we broke up instead of me immediately staying with a friend or getting a hotel. She made a big deal about me not bringing any skanks over. One night she came home late and I saw a casual acquaintance winking at me as he closed her bedroom door.

I kicked the door in and she was completely naked and he was topless. I'm a tall guy at about 6'3 but only about 165 at the time. This guy is at least 6'6" and weighed at least 50 pounds more than me. I bum-rushed the dude and slammed him into the closet, breaking the doors. I started pounding on the guy before I lost the element of surprise and he started fighting back. I was somehow holding my own (probably because he was tipsy and I was sober) but taking more of a beating than I'd like. Eventually I managed to shove him out of the house (slamming his hand in the door). She was drunker than I'd ever seen her and started screaming at me. We started screaming at each other. He came flying back in because in my rage I forgot to lock the door. He claimed he just wanted to make sure I wasn't hitting her. I screamed something along the lines of "I don't hit women" as I slammed the clock radio into the side of his head. He got in a few blows before I again managed to get him outside, this time locking the door. She was a monster I'd never seen before and still screaming. I was screaming back at her. She grabbed the house phone and said she was calling the cops. I yanked the phone out of her hands while yelling and she kicked me in the nuts. Hard. I started yelling back and she kicked me again. She tried kicking me a third time and I grabbed her foot and pushed her back. She tried tackling me and I basically caught her mid jump and body slammed her naked drunken self into the floor. The phone came loose as I stood stunned and apologetic. She slammed the door in my face and I heard her sobbing hysterically to the cops her boyfriend had attacked her. It's a sickening feeling hearing your name spelled out to the police. I called my buddy and left a voicemail asking him to come pick me up. Why I didn't immediately leave is something I couldn't tell you. It didn't occur to me in that moment.

A few minutes later the cops showed up (3 cop cars!) and they asked me to step outside. They were very clearly on her side as they escorted me to the curb. They planted my butt down and barked at me loudly if I spoke when I wasn't supposed to and hurled a few expletives at me when I tried moving or explaining the situation. The mutual acquaintance showed up from down the street and gave his story to the cops. Cops asked if I knew the guy and what the deal was there. I told them I had no issue with the guy and if he bought me a drink next time we saw each other everything would good. Then they started asking me my side of the story. I gave it to 'em. Told them the only time I touched her was when I was defending my nuts from being attacked. They asked if I wanted to press charges. I laughed and told them of course not.

At this point the cops were fighting back the laughter and said good, because none of them wanted to take pictures of the assault. They asked me again if I wanted to press charges. I said no. Then I heard her. She was screaming expletives at the cops. She had been one of the sweetest, kindest, and quietest women I'd ever known during our few years together. The person I heard and saw that night was something completely different. She was hurling obscenity after obscenity to me and the police. The cops seemed to ease up on me as it was clear my sobriety and her attitude had turned the tide in my favor. One of the cops told me we both couldn't stay there that night and if I wasn't pressing charges I needed to leave. I was thisclose to saying I'd bail when I heard some more expletives coming from the house and her demanding to know why I wasn't being arrested.

I reminded myself of a scene from 'The Grinch who Stole Christmas' as a huge devilish smile crept across my face. I proudly told the cop I'm pressing charges. He knew it was all bull#### and tried pressuring me not to. Kept asking me if I was willing to stand up in a court of law in front of dozens of people and say I was assaulted by a woman. This pissed me off and I looked at him with the calmest of faces and said I'm a firm believer in sexual equality. He responded by saying he had no idea what that means. We stood in silence, starting at each other for 10-15 seconds before he wandered into the house. Her screams got even louder and a minute later she was being dragged from the house in handcuffs. She was screaming at the cops. Screaming at me. Making threats saying her dad would contact lawyers and sue me, sue the cops, and press charges. I smiled and nodded my head. That set her off even more. As she was stuffed into the backseat I gave her a wink.

The cops drove off while I went inside and popped open a bottle of hard cider to celebrate. Then I packed a pound of ice on my ####. I spent the next 2-3 hours scouring the neighborhood for our dog. I finally found him and as I was getting ready to leave I heard the answering machine pick up. It was her on the machine, apologizing for her behavior. She was fighting back tears and saying she hoped I'd forgive her and not press charges. She rambled on for about a minute, saying it was no fun to sober up in a jail cell. I listened to the entire message. When she started giving information on her location/contact information I closed the door and left.

I wish I could say that was the end of things between us. It wasn't. I ended up spending many, many hours getting medical attention for my injury. We were on speaking terms not too long after the attack. I hooked up with a couple women when she went off on her next trip. I was still in no position to bang women. I was on some serious painkillers and had to walk with a bit of a shuffle everywhere I went. Every time I went to the hospital for the next installment the male nurses would always pop their head into my room and say something along the lines of "oooh man. I feel ya. I'm gonna come back soon and take care of you." I took more shots in the ### than cran. Trying to nail some chick when you walk like an old man is nearly impossible. Sex was mostly unpleasant. My balls slamming into anything sent agonizing shockwaves through my body.

Then things turned bitter between the ex and myself (which is an even longer story). We both ended up leaving that town for good within the year. She moved to the other side of the country and I moved 40ish miles away.

When I say I miss her, I mean I miss the woman I fell in love with. If I could get back with her I would without a moment's hesitation. But that woman no longer exists. The biggest gut punch came when I logged onto okcupid not long after and saw her listed as a top 10 match of all women across the country at a 98.something % match. But some things cannot be unseen. Pandora's box has been opened. You can't go home again. I knew (but didn't fully comprehend) the woman I had once loved was gone for good. It just wasn't the same. I would not get back with the current version (and hope to never be tempted). Some parts I miss very much. I hope to someday meet a woman that has some of those qualities. But I hope to God she's missing other attributes. The woman you dated is not the woman you're chatting with. No matter how much you wish she were.

Is your story completely different? Absolutely. It's also probably not as different as you hope. When we were initially getting back together, I had complete access to everything. She offered. I accepted. I stopped checking after four weeks. If you're going to try making it work, you can't be so paranoid. It'll eat you alive. After we split, I blocked her emails. I didn't delete her number but I was usually able to refrain from checking the texts. I'm guilty of logging into her facebook half a dozen times. I broke that habit within 2-3 months. Some emails made me smile. Others not so much. I forced myself to focus on other things. With other things to occupy my time and her out of sight, the longing slowly passed. And yes, she was hot. offdee has seen pictures and he gave her an 8. But there are lots of hot women. There's always another hot chick waiting for you. Always.

I took a year off from dating because after the breakup I went on the warpath. I used to be a complete manwhore and I put the old me to shame. I created a sex bingo game with friends. There was a square for teacher, nurse, dental assistant, actress (gb SoCal), mechanic (a chick was playing with us and she wanted to even the playing field), student, retail employee, lawyer, free square, and a few others. Those were some fun times. I lost to a gb thanks to my inability to close the deal with a bookkeeper. It grew real tiresome. I hated everything. I despise how absurdly simple it is to date. I hated the typical questions you always ask/answer. I wanted a higher class of women and more of a chase. I wanted a woman who would pique my interest and not only give me a run for my money but beat me at whatever the subject may be. I wasn't going to easily find it at current lot in life. I'm by no means some good looking rich player. Heck, bucky has seen my profile. I'm simply an extremely outgoing person who loves to talk, is confident, and has little shame. That translates well. I decided I needed to get back to focusing on my career and achieving some other goals. I even curtailed partying/hanging out for the same time period. I just wanted to change into something 'better'. Even recently with my activity in the i-dating thread I've killed a few leads the old me would have banged. Just no longer what I'm looking for. :shrug:

At least it gives me something to laugh about. I shared part of this story with some chick at a bar last week. I was there with a friend and some girl was clearly upset over her breakup. I gave some details from my story and we shared some good laughs. Even got her number when the night came to a close.

Your story sucks. It really does. I don't envy you. But it's a story that needs to be coming to a close. One way or another. It's been 7 months. If you want the ex, get aggressive. Push the issue. Woo her. Dinners, cards, flowers. Be relentless. Do not accept anything less than her jumping into bed with you and ending all contact with the pt. Or her telling you to beat it. Get back with her and a year from now you can share your story with some fbg before you go out and hit the town as a single man. Because there is no happy ending to your story with Alyssa. Not now. You're both too immature. If you want a serious chance, you both need to do some growing up apart from one another. I urge you to take 6 months to figure things out. No Alyssa. Tell her you'll shoot her an email in 6 months. If you're going to make things work you need a fresh start with her. And you cannot have a fresh start if there's never been an ending. Maybe she has done some growing up while away from you (I'm skeptical as she was contacting you off and on). But reading your posts here it is painfully clear you're not ready for anything serious with this woman. You might try lying to yourself and say you are but you really aren't. You're a selfish, greedy, spoiled child who wants his toy and wants it now. Part of being a man means you sometimes need to make some painful decisions. This is one of those times. You need some time away from her. Zero contact. And you desperately need to see what other women can offer you. So sack up, soldier.
:goodposting: :tebow: :tebow:

 
I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.
Just a heads up but this is text book self manipulating just so you know.You are convincing yourself that you finally respect yourself because your listening to yourself?What you are really doing is quitting on your self respect.You want this person A LOT more than she wants you....let that sink in.....A LOT more than she wants you...and in wanting her that much you are convincing yourself that you know what you want.This is the hardest part about relationships and who holds control thereof. You want her a LOT more, you probably always will...she will probably always know that.Even when you marry her and have your 1st kid, she will know that and use that to her advantage anytime she wants/needs.Your heart knows what it wants and it wants her...at any cost...at your self respects' cost.You're better than this, you just don't know it yet.You are not the 1st or last guy to go throw a huge heart break and you are doing the same text book things everyone else has done. You look at the long shot nearly impossible odds and still say...yea, but there is a chance.You see any red flag and say well, it's not necessarily red it's kind of burgundy. Good luck man, I really wish you well. Just remember, the higher you put a person on a pedestal the harder the fall will be.
 
I finally know what I want, I know what I expect, and if I don't get it this time around then I'll cut bait whether you guys believe me or not. Can't think of a better sign of self respect than finally listening to myself. Like I said before, I couldn't live my life knowing I never tried a 2nd time. Doesn't matter the outcome (even if we get married, have kids, and she ends up ####### my gardener), but I would hate to have the "What if?" forever....well that's what I tell myself now.
Just a heads up but this is text book self manipulating just so you know.You are convincing yourself that you finally respect yourself because your listening to yourself?What you are really doing is quitting on your self respect.You want this person A LOT more than she wants you....let that sink in.....A LOT more than she wants you...and in wanting her that much you are convincing yourself that you know what you want.This is the hardest part about relationships and who holds control thereof. You want her a LOT more, you probably always will...she will probably always know that.Even when you marry her and have your 1st kid, she will know that and use that to her advantage anytime she wants/needs.Your heart knows what it wants and it wants her...at any cost...at your self respects' cost.You're better than this, you just don't know it yet.You are not the 1st or last guy to go throw a huge heart break and you are doing the same text book things everyone else has done. You look at the long shot nearly impossible odds and still say...yea, but there is a chance.You see any red flag and say well, it's not necessarily red it's kind of burgundy. Good luck man, I really wish you well. Just remember, the higher you put a person on a pedestal the harder the fall will be.
 
The actual breakup was simple enough. She was having to travel a LOT for work and it was only going to get worse. I suspect her dad was deliberately sending her places (she worked for his company) as the two of us disliked one another a great deal (though her mom loved me). It got too much to continue a relationship at that point in our lives. It sucks, but sometimes you need to realize it's more than the right people meeting - it's about meeting the right person at the right time in your life. That time wasn't then.

I was an idiot and we lived together for the next two weeks after we broke up instead of me immediately staying with a friend or getting a hotel. She made a big deal about me not bringing any skanks over. One night she came home late and I saw a casual acquaintance winking at me as he closed her bedroom door.

I kicked the door in and she was completely naked and he was topless. I'm a tall guy at about 6'3 but only about 165 at the time. This guy is at least 6'6" and weighed at least 50 pounds more than me. I bum-rushed the dude and slammed him into the closet, breaking the doors. I started pounding on the guy before I lost the element of surprise and he started fighting back. I was somehow holding my own (probably because he was tipsy and I was sober) but taking more of a beating than I'd like. Eventually I managed to shove him out of the house (slamming his hand in the door). She was drunker than I'd ever seen her and started screaming at me. We started screaming at each other. He came flying back in because in my rage I forgot to lock the door. He claimed he just wanted to make sure I wasn't hitting her. I screamed something along the lines of "I don't hit women" as I slammed the clock radio into the side of his head. He got in a few blows before I again managed to get him outside, this time locking the door. She was a monster I'd never seen before and still screaming. I was screaming back at her. She grabbed the house phone and said she was calling the cops. I yanked the phone out of her hands while yelling and she kicked me in the nuts. Hard. I started yelling back and she kicked me again. She tried kicking me a third time and I grabbed her foot and pushed her back. She tried tackling me and I basically caught her mid jump and body slammed her naked drunken self into the floor. The phone came loose as I stood stunned and apologetic. She slammed the door in my face and I heard her sobbing hysterically to the cops her boyfriend had attacked her. It's a sickening feeling hearing your name spelled out to the police. I called my buddy and left a voicemail asking him to come pick me up. Why I didn't immediately leave is something I couldn't tell you. It didn't occur to me in that moment.

A few minutes later the cops showed up (3 cop cars!) and they asked me to step outside. They were very clearly on her side as they escorted me to the curb. They planted my butt down and barked at me loudly if I spoke when I wasn't supposed to and hurled a few expletives at me when I tried moving or explaining the situation. The mutual acquaintance showed up from down the street and gave his story to the cops. Cops asked if I knew the guy and what the deal was there. I told them I had no issue with the guy and if he bought me a drink next time we saw each other everything would good. Then they started asking me my side of the story. I gave it to 'em. Told them the only time I touched her was when I was defending my nuts from being attacked. They asked if I wanted to press charges. I laughed and told them of course not.

At this point the cops were fighting back the laughter and said good, because none of them wanted to take pictures of the assault. They asked me again if I wanted to press charges. I said no. Then I heard her. She was screaming expletives at the cops. She had been one of the sweetest, kindest, and quietest women I'd ever known during our few years together. The person I heard and saw that night was something completely different. She was hurling obscenity after obscenity to me and the police. The cops seemed to ease up on me as it was clear my sobriety and her attitude had turned the tide in my favor. One of the cops told me we both couldn't stay there that night and if I wasn't pressing charges I needed to leave. I was thisclose to saying I'd bail when I heard some more expletives coming from the house and her demanding to know why I wasn't being arrested.

I reminded myself of a scene from 'The Grinch who Stole Christmas' as a huge devilish smile crept across my face. I proudly told the cop I'm pressing charges. He knew it was all bull#### and tried pressuring me not to. Kept asking me if I was willing to stand up in a court of law in front of dozens of people and say I was assaulted by a woman. This pissed me off and I looked at him with the calmest of faces and said I'm a firm believer in sexual equality. He responded by saying he had no idea what that means. We stood in silence, starting at each other for 10-15 seconds before he wandered into the house. Her screams got even louder and a minute later she was being dragged from the house in handcuffs. She was screaming at the cops. Screaming at me. Making threats saying her dad would contact lawyers and sue me, sue the cops, and press charges. I smiled and nodded my head. That set her off even more. As she was stuffed into the backseat I gave her a wink.

The cops drove off while I went inside and popped open a bottle of hard cider to celebrate. Then I packed a pound of ice on my ####. I spent the next 2-3 hours scouring the neighborhood for our dog. I finally found him and as I was getting ready to leave I heard the answering machine pick up. It was her on the machine, apologizing for her behavior. She was fighting back tears and saying she hoped I'd forgive her and not press charges. She rambled on for about a minute, saying it was no fun to sober up in a jail cell. I listened to the entire message. When she started giving information on her location/contact information I closed the door and left.

I wish I could say that was the end of things between us. It wasn't. I ended up spending many, many hours getting medical attention for my injury. We were on speaking terms not too long after the attack. I hooked up with a couple women when she went off on her next trip. I was still in no position to bang women. I was on some serious painkillers and had to walk with a bit of a shuffle everywhere I went. Every time I went to the hospital for the next installment the male nurses would always pop their head into my room and say something along the lines of "oooh man. I feel ya. I'm gonna come back soon and take care of you." I took more shots in the ### than cran. Trying to nail some chick when you walk like an old man is nearly impossible. Sex was mostly unpleasant. My balls slamming into anything sent agonizing shockwaves through my body.

Then things turned bitter between the ex and myself (which is an even longer story). We both ended up leaving that town for good within the year. She moved to the other side of the country and I moved 40ish miles away.

When I say I miss her, I mean I miss the woman I fell in love with. If I could get back with her I would without a moment's hesitation. But that woman no longer exists. The biggest gut punch came when I logged onto okcupid not long after and saw her listed as a top 10 match of all women across the country at a 98.something % match. But some things cannot be unseen. Pandora's box has been opened. You can't go home again. I knew (but didn't fully comprehend) the woman I had once loved was gone for good. It just wasn't the same. I would not get back with the current version (and hope to never be tempted). Some parts I miss very much. I hope to someday meet a woman that has some of those qualities. But I hope to God she's missing other attributes. The woman you dated is not the woman you're chatting with. No matter how much you wish she were.

Is your story completely different? Absolutely. It's also probably not as different as you hope. When we were initially getting back together, I had complete access to everything. She offered. I accepted. I stopped checking after four weeks. If you're going to try making it work, you can't be so paranoid. It'll eat you alive. After we split, I blocked her emails. I didn't delete her number but I was usually able to refrain from checking the texts. I'm guilty of logging into her facebook half a dozen times. I broke that habit within 2-3 months. Some emails made me smile. Others not so much. I forced myself to focus on other things. With other things to occupy my time and her out of sight, the longing slowly passed. And yes, she was hot. offdee has seen pictures and he gave her an 8. But there are lots of hot women. There's always another hot chick waiting for you. Always.

I took a year off from dating because after the breakup I went on the warpath. I used to be a complete manwhore and I put the old me to shame. I created a sex bingo game with friends. There was a square for teacher, nurse, dental assistant, actress (gb SoCal), mechanic (a chick was playing with us and she wanted to even the playing field), student, retail employee, lawyer, free square, and a few others. Those were some fun times. I lost to a gb thanks to my inability to close the deal with a bookkeeper. It grew real tiresome. I hated everything. I despise how absurdly simple it is to date. I hated the typical questions you always ask/answer. I wanted a higher class of women and more of a chase. I wanted a woman who would pique my interest and not only give me a run for my money but beat me at whatever the subject may be. I wasn't going to easily find it at current lot in life. I'm by no means some good looking rich player. Heck, bucky has seen my profile. I'm simply an extremely outgoing person who loves to talk, is confident, and has little shame. That translates well. I decided I needed to get back to focusing on my career and achieving some other goals. I even curtailed partying/hanging out for the same time period. I just wanted to change into something 'better'. Even recently with my activity in the i-dating thread I've killed a few leads the old me would have banged. Just no longer what I'm looking for. :shrug:

At least it gives me something to laugh about. I shared part of this story with some chick at a bar last week. I was there with a friend and some girl was clearly upset over her breakup. I gave some details from my story and we shared some good laughs. Even got her number when the night came to a close.

Your story sucks. It really does. I don't envy you. But it's a story that needs to be coming to a close. One way or another. It's been 7 months. If you want the ex, get aggressive. Push the issue. Woo her. Dinners, cards, flowers. Be relentless. Do not accept anything less than her jumping into bed with you and ending all contact with the pt. Or her telling you to beat it. Get back with her and a year from now you can share your story with some fbg before you go out and hit the town as a single man. Because there is no happy ending to your story with Alyssa. Not now. You're both too immature. If you want a serious chance, you both need to do some growing up apart from one another. I urge you to take 6 months to figure things out. No Alyssa. Tell her you'll shoot her an email in 6 months. If you're going to make things work you need a fresh start with her. And you cannot have a fresh start if there's never been an ending. Maybe she has done some growing up while away from you (I'm skeptical as she was contacting you off and on). But reading your posts here it is painfully clear you're not ready for anything serious with this woman. You might try lying to yourself and say you are but you really aren't. You're a selfish, greedy, spoiled child who wants his toy and wants it now. Part of being a man means you sometimes need to make some painful decisions. This is one of those times. You need some time away from her. Zero contact. And you desperately need to see what other women can offer you. So sack up, soldier.
If one cannot laugh at one's self when going through this kind of crap - and especially afterwards - one is in for a long, miserable life. After 73 pages of the same-ol-same-ol, Dr. Awesome brings some awesomeness. :thumbup:

 
No. 16 should watch "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and then read Dr. Awesome's post every night before bed until Alyssa gets back into town.

 
Embrace that "what if," 16. Itll be much better in ten years when you're happily married and can still imagine that hot chick you were really into (oh, you'll realize your attraction was far more sexual than loving) maybe still wants you. Much better than knowing she completely owned you and thinks nothing of you.

And while I know all you thinking about is when you'll hear from you next, but if you contact her and she doesn't respond you cannot contact her again. It's difficult, but males you look incredibly weak.

 
Embrace that "what if," 16. Itll be much better in ten years when you're happily married and can still imagine that hot chick you were really into (oh, you'll realize your attraction was far more sexual than loving) maybe still wants you. Much better than knowing she completely owned you and thinks nothing of you. And while I know all you thinking about is when you'll hear from you next, but if you contact her and she doesn't respond you cannot contact her again. It's difficult, but males you look incredibly weak.
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