If you owned Adrian Peterson in a dynasty league (1 Viewer)

[EdwardCat]

The Peterson owner offered him to me for 2 1st round picks (2009 and 2010) and Jerious Norwood. I just don't know... Given this injury, it could mean an avalanche of injuries for the rest of his career.

I did this trade. GB the AC forum and those helpful souls. Yes, I know you don't care about my team. Maybe it helps someone else with knowing what to do with AP for next year, though.

 

[the UFFRM]

After week 5 I traded away AD, Lee Evans, and Mcnabb for Travis Henry, Romo, and Santonio Holmes. I also get a third rounder next year if AD outscores Henry in fantasy points or a 4th rounder if Henry outdoes AD. Now the third rounder is locked up. Henry still plays for a couple weeks maybe. I still have Selvin Young and the other guy has an injured RB going forward in AD. It is a keeper so he'll still have hime next year but I totally agree with the earlier poster about the shorter careers of similar backs like Bo Jackson and Eric Dickerson. I like the reckless abandon and spirit that AD runs with but I agree with the camp of people that claim his running style leaves him exposed to serious hits or increased injury risk. I know how crucial it is to have the top RB scorer like a Faulk, a Priest or a Tomlinson but I will ALWAYS wait until I see with my own two eyes if a back can do it for 16 games before I agressively pursue him. I like consistent producers over streaky boom/bust scorers any day and until AD shows me a full season you can have him.

 

[Raider Nation]

I made a trade for ADP Saturday before our leagues trade deadline. I paid a heafty price but expect that I am better for it. 16 team dynasty

Gore, Megatron, 2008 1st, 2009 1st for

ADP

My starters going forward are now.

Romo

SJax, Peterson (Selvin Young/Foster)

Welker, Cotchery

Cooley.

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

Way to back up your speculation, guy!

Nah, just yawning at an absurd response. Your response to my statement couldn't possibly merit insight.

Yes, how incredibly absurd of me to challenge your statement that Peterson is "most likely out for the season" when Minnesota's own trainer thinks he has a shot of playing against the Giants ten days from now.

 

[SSOG]

The Peterson owner offered him to me for 2 1st round picks (2009 and 2010) and Jerious Norwood. I just don't know... Given this injury, it could mean an avalanche of injuries for the rest of his career.

I think that's an unbelievable trade. Unless dynasty 1st-rounders wind up being top-2 or top-3, they have very marginal value (barely more than a second rounder). Late first-rounders are dramatically overrated in dynasty. Unless either of those picks winds up being the #1 overall, you definitely made out.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Any Peterson owners care to chime in on what it might take to move him if Brian Westbrook were involved?

Westbrook owner, and I'm not 100% convinced that I'd trade him for Peterson straight up. I mean, I'd probably do it sooner or later, mostly because Peterson is so much younger... but the point is that I'd have to think about it. Once you started asking me to include additional players, I'd shut down negotiations right there. Peterson might have looked like a stud for 8 games, but Westbrook has looked like every bit as much of a stud for 4 years.

Come on, man. Peterson is 22 years old, and had 1000 yards in his first 8 games. Westbrook only has one 1000 yard season in his career. I'm an Eagles' fan, and love Westbrook...but this is ridiculous. I wouldn't trade Peterson, period.

Last I heard, receiving yards count just as much as rushing yards.Adrian Peterson yards per game- 144.6Brian Westbrook yards per game- 152.4 (and the same number of TDs in one fewer game).Westbrook also plays in a better offense with a better QB and a better head coach (although I suppose both could very easily be gone after this season). He's got more talent around him, and the fact that he's a dual-threat means he's tougher to shut down. He has been EVERY BIT as good as Adrian Peterson this year, and he has a track record to back it up and demonstrate that it's not a fluke.Another thing to keep in mind is that Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.4 yards per carry right now. Stuff like that is possible over an 8-game sample, but he's guaranteed to return to earth. Barry Sanders never in his career averaged 6.4, and only once did he average over 6. Only once did Jim Brown average 6.4 (it was also the only time he broke 6.0). Gale Sayers only broke 6.0 once, and never reached 6.4. Even the best, most explosive backs in the history of the sport of football cannot maintain performance at the level Peterson is performing at right now for more than a single season, at most. He'll get more carries in the future, which will offset the decreased ypc, but increase his chance of getting injured. Westy gets a lot of his touches in the passing game, and Football Outsiders did a study which showed that RBs who catch a lot of passes aren't more likely to regress than RBs who get a lot of carries. I also don't buy the "he's a rookie, so he'll probably improve" point for runningbacks. They tend to come into the league at full-strength. There's not much of a learning curve involved.Now, I *would* trade Westy for Peterson eventually, because Peterson is significantly younger, but the point I'm making is that Westbrook is a top-3 Dynasty RB in my mind, and the difference between Peterson and the other elite studs in dynasty is nowhere near what everyone in this thread is making it out to be. If Westbrook were 3 years younger, I would rank him ahead of Peterson.If you start talking about PPR, then fugheddaboudit. That's like giving Westbrook a 7-TD head start.

Good post. I agree on all accounts regarding Westbrook. Great offense, focal point, dual threat, better coaching. Youth and upside are the reason that you would have to take Peterson. All Day is putting up similar numbers without the before mentioned factors. Do you doubt that Peterson will become a good receiver? The offense will improve, he will improve his receiving skills, and he will still be just as explosive. Even if he doesn't, he will still have at least 3-4 more seasons of similar productivity compared to Westbrook. Any way you slice it, in my mind Peterson is a lot more valuable.

 

[eagles2007]

Do you doubt that Peterson will become a good receiver?

No, but that isn't all that matters. You need to have a coach who calls screen passes and a QB capable of checking down. Westbrook has both. I don't trust Tavaris Jackson to hand off.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I made a trade for ADP Saturday before our leagues trade deadline. I paid a heafty price but expect that I am better for it. 16 team dynasty

Gore, Megatron, 2008 1st, 2009 1st for

ADP

My starters going forward are now.

Romo

SJax, Peterson (Selvin Young/Foster)

Welker, Cotchery

Cooley.

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

Way to back up your speculation, guy!

Nah, just yawning at an absurd response. Your response to my statement couldn't possibly merit insight.

Yes, how incredibly absurd of me to challenge your statement that Peterson is "most likely out for the season" when Minnesota's own trainer thinks he has a shot of playing against the Giants ten days from now.

 

[EdwardCat]

I made a trade for ADP Saturday before our leagues trade deadline. I paid a heafty price but expect that I am better for it. 16 team dynasty

Gore, Megatron, 2008 1st, 2009 1st for

ADP

My starters going forward are now.

Romo

SJax, Peterson (Selvin Young/Foster)

Welker, Cotchery

Cooley.

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

Way to back up your speculation, guy!

Nah, just yawning at an absurd response. Your response to my statement couldn't possibly merit insight.

Yes, how incredibly absurd of me to challenge your statement that Peterson is "most likely out for the season" when Minnesota's own trainer thinks he has a shot of playing against the Giants ten days from now.

I'm impressed that you have 20/20 hindsight. I posted that BEFORE the Minnesota trainer came out with that statement and the speculation was that he was going to miss most of the season. Man you are a tool. :ignored:

 

[Jedimaster21]

Do you doubt that Peterson will become a good receiver?

No, but that isn't all that matters. You need to have a coach who calls screen passes and a QB capable of checking down. Westbrook has both. I don't trust Tavaris Jackson to hand off.

The worse that Tavaris is, the more he will check down to the back. If he can't read a defense, he will go to the guy he can count on. Whether Tavaris improves and the passing game prevents 8 men in the box, or if Tavaris is bad and checks down to Peterson...either way Peterson will be getting the ball a lot.

 

[SSOG]

Do you doubt that Peterson will become a good receiver?

No, but that isn't all that matters. You need to have a coach who calls screen passes and a QB capable of checking down. Westbrook has both. I don't trust Tavaris Jackson to hand off.

The worse that Tavaris is, the more he will check down to the back. If he can't read a defense, he will go to the guy he can count on. Whether Tavaris improves and the passing game prevents 8 men in the box, or if Tavaris is bad and checks down to Peterson...either way Peterson will be getting the ball a lot.

Tavaris is as bad right now as he's ever going to be, and Peterson still only has 15 catches on the year.Edit: And this is with the coach who was the offensive coordinator that desined the offense that threw the ball so much to Westbrook.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Do you doubt that Peterson will become a good receiver?

No, but that isn't all that matters. You need to have a coach who calls screen passes and a QB capable of checking down. Westbrook has both. I don't trust Tavaris Jackson to hand off.

The worse that Tavaris is, the more he will check down to the back. If he can't read a defense, he will go to the guy he can count on. Whether Tavaris improves and the passing game prevents 8 men in the box, or if Tavaris is bad and checks down to Peterson...either way Peterson will be getting the ball a lot.

Tavaris is as bad right now as he's ever going to be, and Peterson still only has 15 catches on the year.Edit: And this is with the coach who was the offensive coordinator that desined the offense that threw the ball so much to Westbrook.

He didn't throw the ball to Westbrook too frequently his rookie year. He had 9 catches his first year, and 37 his second. Peterson isn't on the field because of blocking assignments, not because of receiving skills. His receiving role will increase steadily for the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[Raider Nation]

I made a trade for ADP Saturday before our leagues trade deadline. I paid a heafty price but expect that I am better for it. 16 team dynasty

Gore, Megatron, 2008 1st, 2009 1st for

ADP

My starters going forward are now.

Romo

SJax, Peterson (Selvin Young/Foster)

Welker, Cotchery

Cooley.

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

Way to back up your speculation, guy!

Nah, just yawning at an absurd response. Your response to my statement couldn't possibly merit insight.

Yes, how incredibly absurd of me to challenge your statement that Peterson is "most likely out for the season" when Minnesota's own trainer thinks he has a shot of playing against the Giants ten days from now.

I'm impressed that you have 20/20 hindsight. I posted that BEFORE the Minnesota trainer came out with that statement and the speculation was that he was going to miss most of the season. Man you are a tool. :ignored:

Sorry you felt the need to call me names.... I guess that's what most liars would do when their back is against the wall.On 11/12 at 5:50pm EST, Anthony Borbely was the first one to post this:

AFTERNOON UPDATE: Athletic trainer Eric Sugarman said Peterson would "absolutely, no question" play again this season. In fact, Sugarman would not rule out Peterson returning as early as the Nov. 25 game at the New York Giants. It is possible, Sugarman said, that Peterson will need to wear a custom-made brace when he does resume playing.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7701428On 11/14 at 10:56am EST, you posted the following:

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7710687To summarize, you made a misguided statement and you owe me an apology.

We both know you aren't ignoring me, so please man up and do the right thing.

 

[Blue-Kun]

^RN's post.

GGPO. It's as if people forget posts are time and date stamped.

EDIT: I guess for actual content, I'd say you don't trade AP unless you plan on winning a championship this year off the trade. Otherwise AP is the kind of player you wait for in Dynasty and build around and go for multiple championships with.

 

[Raider Nation]

^RN's post. It's as if people forget posts are time and date stamped.

Think I should keep holding my breath for that apology?

 

[phthalatemagic]

Sorry you felt the need to call me names.... I guess that's what most liars would do when their back is against the wall.

On 11/12 at 5:50pm EST, Anthony Borbely was the first one to post this:

AFTERNOON UPDATE: Athletic trainer Eric Sugarman said Peterson would "absolutely, no question" play again this season. In fact, Sugarman would not rule out Peterson returning as early as the Nov. 25 game at the New York Giants. It is possible, Sugarman said, that Peterson will need to wear a custom-made brace when he does resume playing.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7701428On 11/14 at 10:56am EST, you posted the following:

How are you better off now that Peterson is injured and most likely out for the season?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7710687To summarize, you made a misguided statement and you owe me an apology.

We both know you aren't ignoring me, so please man up and do the right thing.

 

[Bruno Tataglia]

Here's what I've learned in this thread so far.

If you're getting owned by someone who calls you out on a mistake, do the following:

- Keep insisting that you are correct, even though you clearly are not.

- Call that person a tool, since you have no other recourse.

- Go to the :ignore: card when you have no game.

- Run and hide like a little girl.

Got it.

 

[Raider Nation]

Here's what I've learned in this thread so far.

If you're getting owned by someone who calls you out on a mistake, do the following:

- Keep insisting that you are correct, even though you clearly are not.

- Call that person a tool, since you have no other recourse.

- Go to the :ignore: card when you have no game.

- Run and hide like a little girl.

Got it.

Did you expect any different from EdwardCat? <meow>

 

[SSOG]

All of these extracurriculars are nice and all, and it's really interesting to know who is owned and who is not owned and who is doing some owning, but is there any chance we can sideline a little bit of the meta-discussion and get back to discussing Peterson? No offense to any of the parties involved, but I think that line of discussion has gone about as far as it can go. Thanks, everyone.

 

[Raider Nation]

All of these extracurriculars are nice and all, and it's really interesting to know who is owned and who is not owned and who is doing some owning, but is there any chance we can sideline a little bit of the meta-discussion and get back to discussing Peterson? No offense to any of the parties involved, but I think that line of discussion has gone about as far as it can go. Thanks, everyone.

It's not up to me to end it.All I know is, if I called someone a "tool" despite CLEARLY being in the wrong, I'd be man enough to apologize.And that's that.