If you take away Manning and Brady's super bowls.. (1 Viewer)

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

Which QB holds the record for most TD passes in a single season? Give up...It's Tom Brady with 50 in the 2007 season. Which QB has been named the Offensive Player of the Year 2 of the last 4 seasons? Again it's Tom Brady. Also his current streak of 335 attempts without a pick is a league record. Brady has compiled these stats without something most HoF QBs have had, a HoF WR or TE as a target. Sure he had Moss for a few seasons, but for the most part he hasn't had that luxury.

What part don't you get? Brady and Moss were on the same team for the 2007,2008, 2009 and only 4 games in the 2010 season. Brady was named the Offensive Player Of The Year for the 2010 season when he only had Moss for 4 games. Is that better? Brady has been a starter in the NFL since the 2001 season. Brady won 3 SuperBowls before Moss even arrived in New England. I guess in my post you missed the words after the part you bolded. Or do you care to tell which HoF WR or TE Brady has had at his disposal other than Moss?

Do you know the years that Brady won his MVP awards, Ofensive Player Of The Year awards and Come Back Player Of The Year awards in?2007 MVP, Offensive Player Of The Year

2009 Come Player Of The Year

2010 Offensive Player Of The Year

That means that 3 of the 4 awards were won with Randy Moss and if you want to nitpick it can be said that Brady never won an award without having a Hall Of Fame WR on his team because Moss was there for 25% of the season this year.

 

[Tau837]

Which QB holds the record for most TD passes in a single season? Give up...It's Tom Brady with 50 in the 2007 season. Which QB has been named the Offensive Player of the Year 2 of the last 4 seasons? Again it's Tom Brady. Also his current streak of 335 attempts without a pick is a league record. Brady has compiled these stats without something most HoF QBs have had, a HoF WR or TE as a target. Sure he had Moss for a few seasons, but for the most part he hasn't had that luxury.

What part don't you get? Brady and Moss were on the same team for the 2007,2008, 2009 and only 4 games in the 2010 season. Brady was named the Offensive Player Of The Year for the 2010 season when he only had Moss for 4 games. Is that better? Brady has been a starter in the NFL since the 2001 season. Brady won 3 SuperBowls before Moss even arrived in New England. I guess in my post you missed the words after the part you bolded. Or do you care to tell which HoF WR or TE Brady has had at his disposal other than Moss?

There's no part I don't get, I was highlighting the fact that your post didn't make sense as written.You named 4 accomplishments and said Brady has done those things without a HOF WR, then in the very next sentence admitted he had Moss for a few seasons. Moss is a HOF WR. So you contradicted your first assertion in the next sentence. That's why I bolded it. And it's also true that, while he didn't have a HOF WR for most of his career, Moss was a huge part of 2 of the 4 accomplishments you initially cited.

Apparently, you really meant something other than what you wrote.

And, by the way, I've posted several times about Brady's accomplishments in this thread. I am well aware of them.

 

[northern exposure]

Which QB holds the record for most TD passes in a single season? Give up...It's Tom Brady with 50 in the 2007 season. Which QB has been named the Offensive Player of the Year 2 of the last 4 seasons? Again it's Tom Brady. Also his current streak of 335 attempts without a pick is a league record. Brady has compiled these stats without something most HoF QBs have had, a HoF WR or TE as a target. Sure he had Moss for a few seasons, but for the most part he hasn't had that luxury.

What part don't you get? Brady and Moss were on the same team for the 2007,2008, 2009 and only 4 games in the 2010 season. Brady was named the Offensive Player Of The Year for the 2010 season when he only had Moss for 4 games. Is that better? Brady has been a starter in the NFL since the 2001 season. Brady won 3 SuperBowls before Moss even arrived in New England. I guess in my post you missed the words after the part you bolded. Or do you care to tell which HoF WR or TE Brady has had at his disposal other than Moss?

There's no part I don't get, I was highlighting the fact that your post didn't make sense as written.You named 4 accomplishments and said Brady has done those things without a HOF WR, then in the very next sentence admitted he had Moss for a few seasons. Moss is a HOF WR. So you contradicted your first assertion in the next sentence. That's why I bolded it. And it's also true that, while he didn't have a HOF WR for most of his career, Moss was a huge part of 2 of the 4 accomplishments you initially cited.

Apparently, you really meant something other than what you wrote.

And, by the way, I've posted several times about Brady's accomplishments in this thread. I am well aware of them.

My bad. I was in a rush when posting and I spliced together two thoughts that should have remained as two seperate and distinct points. Brady is an accomplished QB and he acheived much success (SB wins,etc.) without the aid of a HoF WR. He went 335 pass attempts without a pick and was named Offensive Player of the Year in a season when he only had Moss at his disposal for 1/4 of the games. Better?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

They would both be locks.

One name I think maybe fits in here is Donovan McNabb. He only got to 1 as a starting QB. He ha s some HOFer in his PFR comps

He is top-15 in completions, attempts & yards....but below 22 in TD passes and passer rating. How much does his rushing ability early on help him?

In my opinion, he is in, but maybe not first-ballot.

Not a chance. He barely gets into the hall of very good. By era he is average to capable, but not excellent.