Blackjacks
Footballguy
who would your's be. Take age into consideration as well as position
I think I'd go with Peppers!!!!!!!!
How bout you?
I think I'd go with Peppers!!!!!!!!
How bout you?
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phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, don't care which
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
It would be a QB.......via the draft........then build the rest of the team around him, starting with the OL. The QB selected to build around would be the right fit for whatever scheme/base offense I choose to run.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Walter Jones or Julius Peppers.
Would have said O. Pace 4 years ago.
Would have said O. Pace 4 years ago.
Longshot88
Footballguy
Manning for sure....If the NFL were redrafted today 100% of the teams.(.Owners ,GMS ,Coaches)....would Take Manning with the #1 PICK... all things concidered,hes that much better than everyone.
That is a pretty bold statement. I'd say several teams would go with Tomlinson, a couple may go with a defensive powerhouse and a couple would go with Tom Brady.You are aware Matt Millen is still running a team and the Oakland Raiders are in the NFL right?
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PadresLakers
Footballguy
Pro Bowl Rookie LT Marcus Mcneil
Longshot88
Footballguy
Yeah its Bold ,But its true,..NOBODY Has the entire Package that Manning has...Sure there may be sombody that equals his Physical attributes...But NONE Are As Smart, or have the work eithic...HE is a coach on the field....LT is Great, Peppers Is Great.but...NOT ONE TEAM WOULD PASS ON MANNING Not Even the TEXANS....Not even the PATS
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bcr8f
Footballguy
By the time the o line gells and the players gain experience it'll be retirement time for Peyton.
Even with the heavy use of capital letters I simply do not agree with you. A quarterback's success is defined by a combination of talent, work ethic, a running game, an offensive line and wide receivers.
Unlike FFL, the NFL also has a defensive side that is important as well outside of "Team D". YOu just defined the role of one player on the defensive side of the ball of every team. Ray Lewis would probably disagree with you, as would many defensive players. Just because certain roles aren't "Coaches on the field' doesn't mean they don't have the skill, attributes, intelligence, ability to do it. If you feel a QB is the #1 key to success, then Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers even all have to be considered. If you were starting a team would Palmer or Rivers have 3-4 more years ahead of them worth the very slight drop off? Would Tomlinson for the next 3-4 years allow another QB to have less pressure and succeed? David Carr really could have used an LT in Houston...
Longshot88
Footballguy
Your right we are not talking FFB..My Statement was "if the entire NFL was redrafted not one team would Pass on Manning" all teams would be starting from square one....yeah there are Many great players on both sides of the ball....but none would pass on mannning..
If we're signing whatever player we pick to a new contract, it will probably be for six to eight years.Manning probably has at least six very good years left, so I don't know if you're really getting a 3-4 year bonus from Palmer or Rivers.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If you have a decent pass rush or a tricky defensive scheme, you can get away with average CBs. The QB position is the most important position on the field, requires the most decision making, will cost you the most under the salary cap and is usually a position where the older you get the better you become, so the longevity is worth the selection. Champ Bailey is going to be 29 before the season starts. What's he got 4-5 more years at the top of his game before he fades. Tom Brady is only 28 he's probably got twice as many years left.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
I was gonna say champ too but this reason is why i didn't.I choose a top LT as I think that is the most important position on the field. Plus the life line of those guys seems to last longer than most positions. ie(pace, ogden, and w. jones)
trader jake
Footballguy
Peyton Manning
This should have been a poll
This should have been a poll
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I would say LT and Manning are the best players in the league as of right now. However I think LT might have 3 years left of greatness and Manning maybe 5. If I'm drafting my face for my franchise I would need a guy with more years to give me.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'm sure I wouldn't be able to list everyone available though
-OZ-
Footballguy
Rivers wouldn't be in my top 5 QBs, let alone considered for the #1 spot overall. If you want a young textbook QB, take Palmer. If you want a young QB who is a proven winner, take Vince Young. If you want an elite HOF QB, Peyton or Brady.If you don't like these 4, take Brees.Personally, I'd take Brady slightly over Peppers, but would consider Urlacher, McNeil, LT, Reggie Bush, Shawne Merriman, and maybe Steve Smith.
lions327
Footballguy
You KNOW Matt Millen would take a WR.
-OZ-
Footballguy
See my tongue in cheek comment in post #25You KNOW Matt Millen would take a WR.
If I were picking a left tackle, my top two choices would be Marcus McNeill and Jammal Brown.I don't think any left tackle in the league played better than McNeill last season. And while Ogden and Pace (when healthy) were still better than Brown last year, it wasn't by much, and they are 6-7 years older. I think Brown played better than Walter Jones last year.Pace, Ogden, and Jones are still three of the top five left tackles in the league, but I doubt they'll remain there for more than another couple years.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Nah. He has to prove he can be a good passer in the NFL first. Remember, Vick tore the league up at first with his feet, too, but his inability to become a reliable, consistent passer has prevented him from being an upper tier QB. Most teams would be too afraid of the same fate befalling Young to make him the first pick in the scenario being talked about in this thread. I would take Tom Brady.
Buttmonkey
Footballguy
Rivers wouldn't be in my top 5 QBs, let alone considered for the #1 spot overall.
If you want a young textbook QB, take Palmer.
If you want a young QB who is a proven winner, take Vince Young.
If you want an elite HOF QB, Peyton or Brady.
If you don't like these 4, take Brees.
Personally, I'd take Brady slightly over Peppers, but would consider Urlacher, McNeil, LT, Reggie Bush, Shawne Merriman, and maybe Steve Smith.
Vince Young is a proven winner? Is that going by regular season games or are you basing it off the National Championship. The line on VY is still too early. It's a nice story and he did win a few games, but to put him into the company of Payton, Brady, even Palmer is way out of whack.
If you want a young textbook QB, take Palmer.
If you want a young QB who is a proven winner, take Vince Young.
If you want an elite HOF QB, Peyton or Brady.
If you don't like these 4, take Brees.
Personally, I'd take Brady slightly over Peppers, but would consider Urlacher, McNeil, LT, Reggie Bush, Shawne Merriman, and maybe Steve Smith.
Vince Young is a proven winner? Is that going by regular season games or are you basing it off the National Championship. The line on VY is still too early. It's a nice story and he did win a few games, but to put him into the company of Payton, Brady, even Palmer is way out of whack.
I think it's a bit premature to take Vince Young over someone like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, or even Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers.Young has four career games with a passer rating over 80.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The VY comment was in response to NEUPJ's placing of Rivers in this conversation.I was in the Big XII while VY was at Texas. I'm basing it on his college play and his first year.
I certainly wouldn't say he's equal to Brady or Manning yet, but all he's done is win games everywhere he's played. He's 30-2 in college, 8-5 in the NFL for a .844 record overall. He's my #4, maybe #5 QB if starting a franchise.
-OZ-
Footballguy
A) why does passer rating matter?B) why do you rank Rivers over VY?
IMO Brady is certainly comparable and this is not the lock you make it out to be. There are alot of Sundays that I think Palmer could be in this group soon too.
It's not the be-all, end-all, but it is a measure of passing competence, and passing competence is very important for a QB.Young may grow into an outstanding quarterback, but you can pick anybody in the entire NFL. Why pick a QB who's had less than a handful of games in which he's looked like a good passer?
Because he's shown a lot more as a passer than Young has. I think Rivers is already one of the top five QBs in the league based on 2006 performance. Young isn't in the top fifteen based on 2006 performance (although he has very good future potential).
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I don't disagree with this but I'd add that Young seems to have that Joe Montana Michael Jordan type ability to will his team to win. There seems to be something extremely special about his leadership ability. It's hard to word and compare as Rivers team won plenty I just think Young may have(nothing's a lock after one year) this special quality we rarely ever see.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
So you are really sure that Bill Belichick is picking Manning over Brady in a draft? Ok, pal.
Brady beats Manning on both of the bolded counts. Brady is a workout warrior and became a leader of the team right away because his teammates respected how hard he had worked.
valhallan
Footballguy
Ah, it's always best to check the thread for your answer before you repeat it
(I agree)
Couch Potato
Footballguy
You said "If you were starting an expansion team, and could start your franchise with 1 guy." You didn't say player.
Maybe Belichick, but...
I'll go with Bill Polian. When Polian was promoted to general manager in Buffalo in 1985, the Bills were suffering from back to back 2-14 seasons. He was instrumental in putting together a team that went on to 4 straight Super Bowl appearances.
He then took over as GM of the expansion Panthers, building a team that went to the NFC Championship game in only its second year of existence.
When Polian took over as President and GM of the Colts, they were 3-13 the year before. In his 2nd year with the team, they went 13-3. They've been solid ever since, and of course won the Super Bowl last year.
I want Polian.
Maybe Belichick, but...
I'll go with Bill Polian. When Polian was promoted to general manager in Buffalo in 1985, the Bills were suffering from back to back 2-14 seasons. He was instrumental in putting together a team that went on to 4 straight Super Bowl appearances.
He then took over as GM of the expansion Panthers, building a team that went to the NFC Championship game in only its second year of existence.
When Polian took over as President and GM of the Colts, they were 3-13 the year before. In his 2nd year with the team, they went 13-3. They've been solid ever since, and of course won the Super Bowl last year.
I want Polian.
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phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Hmmm, I didn't think of that. He didn't specify living or dead. I'll take Vince Lombardi.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
If the face of your franchise should have a butt-chin, take Brady. If not, take Manning. Those two are the only truly great quarterbacks out there.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
If I wanted to win, I'd go with Brady because he's proven that he can be productive without good WR talent. I'm not saying Manning couldn't do that, but he hasn't been tested in that way. But with Brady you could throw in mediocre talent at WR and focus on other areas, knowing that the passing game wouldn't lose games for you.
If I just wanted to put butts in seats and cash in on a ton of replica jerseys, etc. I'd go with LT.
If I just wanted to put butts in seats and cash in on a ton of replica jerseys, etc. I'd go with LT.
Longshot88
Footballguy
Yeah I am Sure...Belichick may be Evil, but hes not stupid...You dont see brady on the field 3hours before the game with his Wrs..making 100s of throws...its Called preperation...and If he Had the CHOICE, belichick takes Manning over BradySo you are really sure that Bill Belichick is picking Manning over Brady in a draft? Ok, pal.Brady beats Manning on both of the bolded counts. Brady is a workout warrior and became a leader of the team right away because his teammates respected how hard he had worked.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Really? Even after it was mention three times before in this thread?
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