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If you were starting an NFL team today, who would you choose first out (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Brady.
I would take Roethlisberger over Vince Young.
I would take Roethlisberger over Vince Young.
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Brady still has plenty of years left. This is a no-brainer.
Joe T
Footballguy
I think you are discounting Vinny's desire to win and his improvement in the upcoming seasons.
The Shizzle
Footballguy
Tom Brady>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kurt Warner>>>>>Vinny Testeverde>>>>>Vince Young
randall146
Footballguy
?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Is this a serious question?
I wouldn't even take Young first out of the QBs from his draft, much less over one of the best QBs ever.
I wouldn't even take Young first out of the QBs from his draft, much less over one of the best QBs ever.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
After 1997 I thought Kordell Stewart was going to be the next great QB:236/440 3020 21 TD 11 Int, 476 rush yards, 11 rushing TDs.I was wrong. He never did improve...
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
I think you have a mancrush or are fishing. This is not UT v USC anymore. This is the NFL. It takes more than desire to win especially at the quarterback position. It takes brains, not just athleticism.
Is this a serious question?
I'd take Roethlisberger, Palmer, Anderson, Manning P, Manning E., Campbell, Romo, Delhomme, Garrard, Hasselbeck, Cutler, probably Russell, Leinart, Schaub, Brady, Brees, Garcia and I'd probably also take Favre (given that I'd get at least a full year out of him) over Vince Young.
I'd take Roethlisberger, Palmer, Anderson, Manning P, Manning E., Campbell, Romo, Delhomme, Garrard, Hasselbeck, Cutler, probably Russell, Leinart, Schaub, Brady, Brees, Garcia and I'd probably also take Favre (given that I'd get at least a full year out of him) over Vince Young.
Joe T
Footballguy
So age is not a consideration ?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Tough call here.....I had to null this one.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You have obviously missed some of his other topics.
LILB811
Footballguy
This implies you'd take Eli Manning over McNabb. Wow
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I would.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Eli might be a sissy, but he's not a cancer. McNabb is no better than TO in my book.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
No matter how much better VY gets, he wont equal or surpass Brady's success as a QB in the NFL.
LILB811
Footballguy
Is it the injuries? Because McNabb hasn't won a Super Bowl? Or do you just think he's done and a problem for the team he's on? I don't think Eli has more talent.
3nOut
Footballguy
Of course it shouldn't be. Not at ths stage. Your original post said you are starting an NFL team. I would rather have a veteran QB (arguably one of the best in NFL history) who knows how to be a leader, than someone with potential. Another young QB can be drafted sometime later and be trained by Brady. Good teams have veteran leadership.
3nOut
Footballguy
No, you insinuated that he would tke Eli over McNabb. There is nothing in his response that indicates his list was exhaustive.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
There is another thread right now about young QB talent and they don't get it either. When are people going to understand the the QB position is so much more about what's between the ears than "playmaking ability"; when? The NFL is a smart man's league, college football is an athlete's league (at QB). I'm just sayin'...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
When Eli Manning is "on", the only QBs better in the league are named Peyton and Tom. I have no idea if you can win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning. I DO know that when he is at his best, he is the 3rd or 4th (Romo) best QB in the league. It's easy to jump on Eli, but this is only his 3rd season starting. He's 26 years old and could easily play another 8-10 years at a high level. When McNabb is at his best, he is still an excellent QB. But I think his highest level of consistent play is behind him, while Eli's is just beginning.
LILB811
Footballguy
Fair enough. I was just looking for some clarification
enfuego
Footballguy
It's not a fishing trip so much as I think he's asking in NFL terms over fantasy league terms. VY is still a guy with a TON of talent and will develop into a top Q. Don't tell me the ROY is dirt after a sophomore slump. You gotta believe he's still good (unless you are Merrill Hoge, of course).
enfuego
Footballguy
Too early to tell...Did Brady win ROY?
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I would take both of Brady's supermodel girlfriends over Vinny Young.
enfuego
Footballguy
Explain...I don't.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Things aren't going my way! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
who is Vinnie Young, and why would you even put him in the same sentence as Tom Brady?!?!?
I'd start any NFL team,with L. Tomlinson..or a bookend left tackle...without a solid line or a decent running game, Brady or any QB for that matter, would get killed..
Godsbrother
Footballguy
For the life of me I don't see how Eli Manning, even when "ON", is a better QB than Roethlisberger. Eli Maning has only 9 career games with a passer rating > 100 and only twice over 120. Roethlisberger has 25 games with a passer rating > 100 and surpassed a 120 passer rating 13 times. And it is not like Roethlisberger is playing behind a stellar o-line. He's been sacked 93 times in the past two seasons (the same Manning has been sacked in 4 years).Roethlisberger has thrown for more yards and TDs than Manning, less interceptions, and has also ran for more yards and TDs than Manning. Roethlisberger has outperformed Eli Manning in every imaginable way, including the playoffs, and is a year younger to boot. Yet some people still suggest Manning is better than Roethlisberger -- I just don't get it.
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Correct. This was just off the top of my head. I'm sure I left others off too. I'd take McNabb over V. Young...also Warner...Probably Kitna, ect. I was never a big fan of McNabb (having him on my fantasy team this year didnt' help any) but it would be a close call IMO. Eli has more of a future, and has shown flashes. McNabb is getting older, coming off a knee injury. At the moment, McNabb probably is the better QB, but I think the point where they cross is sooner rather than later. As for the age consideration, I'm taking it into account, but just because a QB is younger doesn't make them better or have more potential. And don't forget to consider the effect that a older experienced QB such as Favre or P. Manning, who might only give you a couple more years, on a younger QB. I'd take one of those two and let them mentor a QB for a couple years before they retire, that would be >>>>>than having taking V. Young. Having a mediocre NFL QB for 10 years is <<<<< that having a great NFL QB for 3.
I would rather take Michael Vick when he comes out of jail over Vince Young.
I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.Signed Merrill Loke (I guess)
Phlash
Footballguy
Thank you! You forgot to mention that Roeth actually has a ring... you also should have posted his career win % (which is worlds better than Mannings).Roeth is probably the 3rd best QB in the league, in my opinion. I'd take him over Romo for sure (and I LOVE Romo, not in the way Jessica Simpson does but platonically).
LILB811
Footballguy
How often has Eli been "on"? What progress has he shown thus far? Only twice this season did he not turn the ball over in a game. His turnovers have gone up while his touchdowns, completion %, and passer rating go down. He was 25th in passer rating and 29th in the league in completion %. I don't think he's played 1 year at a high level yet, let alone easily 8-10 in the future. Sure it's easy to jump on Eli. I've seen the games and I've seen the stats. But it's also easy to say when a QB plays at his best potential, he's better than many other QB's in the league. I'm just wondering what you've seen that indicates Eli is going to be a great QB in this league for many years to come.
enfuego
Footballguy
Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.Signed Merrill Loke (I guess)
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
Easy.
College: Young
Pro: Brady
Pickup game: Young.
So I guess Young.
College: Young
Pro: Brady
Pickup game: Young.
So I guess Young.
How so?Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.
FUBAR
Footballguy
congratulations on being a bigger :fisherman: than the OP
First of all, he's not even a mid tier QB. He's a bottom 11 QB in the NFL right now.And what has he shown? He can't read defenses, he's not accurate, he's not making plays with his feet and if he puts up another year like this they'll be drafting a new QB. At this point, he's a poor man's Kordell Stewart.Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.Signed Merrill Loke (I guess)
He has not improved on a single facet of his game in his 2nd year. And now that the NFL has film on him, he's performed well under his rookie year production.
Maybe you don't know as much about football as you think.
FUBAR
Footballguy
XFirst of all, he's not even a mid tier QB. He's a bottom 11 QB in the NFL right now.And what has he shown? He can't read defenses, he's not accurate, he's not making plays with his feet and if he puts up another year like this they'll be drafting a new QB. At this point, he's a poor man's Kordell Stewart.Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.
He has not improved on a single facet of his game in his 2nd year. And now that the NFL has film on him, he's performed well under his rookie year production.
Maybe you don't know as much about football as you think.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
lol
I don't even bother responding to posts like that. The whole "I know more than you so you are wrong" types quickly grow tiresome.How so?Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.Signed Merrill Loke (I guess)
