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If you were starting an NFL team today, who would you choose first out (1 Viewer)
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FavreCo
Footballguy
Preach it baby cause you are spot on.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You don't really believe what you wrote there, do you?There is no way in hell that Eli is the 3rd best QB in the NFL, even when he is "on". There are a number of QBs who are not only better than him when they are "on" (Roethlisberger, Romo, Favre, Hasselbeck, etc.), but are "on" much more frequently than Eli is.
switz
Footballguy
This is really a question??????Tom Brady is one of the best QBs in the league, entering his prime really...Vince Young is a decent QB, at best, who has a tremendous amount of room to grow yet...
Sheriff66
Footballguy
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switz
Footballguy
Sorry, you've got blinders on again.
enfuego
Footballguy
All this great wisdom from the genius that gives up Plaxico + Edge for Steve Smith and Betts?!? Wow, just wow...First of all, he's not even a mid tier QB. He's a bottom 11 QB in the NFL right now.And what has he shown? He can't read defenses, he's not accurate, he's not making plays with his feet and if he puts up another year like this they'll be drafting a new QB. At this point, he's a poor man's Kordell Stewart.Then you just don't know football...I don't either. People are quick to put all the blame on his WR's, but it's a 2-way street from the games I've watched. He's a mid-lower tier QB right now and I haven't seen anything he's done in the Pro's to make me think he's going to get anywhere near the top QB's in the league.I don't.Signed Merrill Loke (I guess)
He has not improved on a single facet of his game in his 2nd year. And now that the NFL has film on him, he's performed well under his rookie year production.
Maybe you don't know as much about football as you think.
enfuego
Footballguy
Sorry, you've got blinders on again.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I disagree,and that is how I felt before this year, give me Brady over Montana or anyone else for that matter, best I've ever seen...Sorry, you've got blinders on again.
Phlash
Footballguy
I'm too young to have watched Montana, but my elder football fans always tell me that Montana was the best they ever saw play the game until Tom Brady came alongI disagree,and that is how I felt before this year, give me Brady over Montana or anyone else for that matter, best I've ever seen...Sorry, you've got blinders on again.
Although, my dad is convinced that Roger Staubach is the best QB to ever play the game of football.
enfuego
Footballguy
Brady has not faced a D the likes of the 85 & 86 Bears...Montana did and still won the Superbowl.I'm too young to have watched Montana, but my elder football fans always tell me that Montana was the best they ever saw play the game until Tom Brady came alongI disagree,and that is how I felt before this year, give me Brady over Montana or anyone else for that matter, best I've ever seen...Sorry, you've got blinders on again.
Although, my dad is convinced that Roger Staubach is the best QB to ever play the game of football.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I have watched both quite a bit, and for my money, give me Brady any day of the week, and that's not a slap at Joe...Brady has not faced a D the likes of the 85 & 86 Bears...Montana did and still won the Superbowl.I'm too young to have watched Montana, but my elder football fans always tell me that Montana was the best they ever saw play the game until Tom Brady came alongI disagree,and that is how I felt before this year, give me Brady over Montana or anyone else for that matter, best I've ever seen...
Although, my dad is convinced that Roger Staubach is the best QB to ever play the game of football.
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pats3in4
Footballguy
In what reality did Montana's 49ers win the SB in 1985 and/or 1986? The 85 Bears went to Candlestick and smacked the defending champs around pretty good. Those 49er teams put up only 3 points in their one-and-done playoff performances against the Giants those years. I'm sure Brady could have matched 3 points.I will give you this, though: Montana's 2nd-half performance against the Eagles in Philly in 1989 is one of the all-time best performances by a QB. That Eagles D was stacked...on par with the 85 Bears. Montana was sacked something like 9 times. Yet with the 49ers down 28-10 in the 3rd quarter, Montana cut loose and tore into that D, eventually leading the 49ers to a 38-28 victory.
The Pitbull
Footballguy
Beat me to it...
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Vince Young is a joke.
Get serious. He can't even sniff Cutler's jock, let alone Brady.
And kudos to Young for setting an all-time record low 9 TD passes in a 16 game season. That's 30 years.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about his leadership skills. That's for Boy Scout Troups.
Get serious. He can't even sniff Cutler's jock, let alone Brady.
And kudos to Young for setting an all-time record low 9 TD passes in a 16 game season. That's 30 years.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about his leadership skills. That's for Boy Scout Troups.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
None of the "playmaker" honks will ever get this.FavreCo said:
Ben is far better.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
No question about it
Jambi
Footballguy
I think you've got blinders on. You lose all credibility when it comes to anything to do with the Patriots. He's one of the best right nowswitz said:Sheriff66 said:
Right behind Manning, Favre, Romo and Roethlisberger. Can you explain how he is not one of the best ever? And I'd like to know who the clowns were who voted Young? Show your face and state your case. This is ridiculous.Traders2001
Footballguy
Yes he showed his desire to win in the last game when he quit on his teammates.Aniway they would have a better chance to win with Kerry Collins .All this to say Brady by 25 miles.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Agreed on Brady by 44,000 yards. (about the amount more he'll have than Young for their careers)
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ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
this is off thread topic but does anyone remember those extremely funny joe montana commercials he had after the win over the eagles next season? it had joe in his football pads and a shrink showing him ink blots-for every blot joe says 'Reggie White'. joe's head would also snap like he had teret's or a nervous tic when he said 'Reggie White'pats3in4 said:
Baby New Year
Footballguy
If I was really hungry and needed someone to run across the street and get my lunch, I'd pick Young.
Playing in the NFL, I'd take Brady.
Playing in the NFL, I'd take Brady.
Shermanator
Footballguy
Sorry, but this poll is kinda stupid. Brady is already the greatest qb is NFL history. There really isnt an argument against this.....anyway, a better poll would be Brady in his prime or Montana in his prime. It's still Brady.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
sad pandas
Footballguy
I'd take Cody Paul over Vinny Young right now!
if you don't know betta ask somebody (or you tube)
if you don't know betta ask somebody (or you tube)
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Agreed, to a point. I would say he's in the discussion of all time greats, based on the eyball test. Project his career #s, and he'll be among the all time QBs. But to say at this point he's the best (evahhhh!!! ) is premature at best, blind homerism at worst.Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
FWIW, I was looking at Brady v. Manning at 7 years... Manning had better #s nearly across the board, but it wasn't by a wide margin. Something line 2500 + yds, 20 + TD, .6% + completion rate, about 300 + completions, but also 400 + attempts. The biggest percentage gap in career #s over 7 years was INT. Manning had ~ 120, Brady just 86.
I think the #s reflect the type of offense they've been asked to run during these years. Brady's early years wre on a great team and he was asked to manage the game and protect the ball. Manning's early years were on a great offensive team that had to outscore opponents to win. But watching both of these guys, and having watched Elway, Marino, Montana, et al. I think these guys are definitely in the all time discussion. I had Favre just below both Manning and Brady, but looking back at his #s, he has about 600+ yds, 15+ TD, lower comp%, and about 30+INT.
ETA: To stay on thread topic... ummm.. Brady would be my choice. VY might be a good NFL QB. Brady already is a great NFL QB.
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Phlash
Footballguy
There are so many NFL QBs better than Vince Young...
Roethlisberger is what, one year older? And he already has a ring and has put up 3 seasons with an incredible QB rating in each, with his off year coming after a surgery and motorcycle accident?!
Gawd, I'm a Pats homer hardcore, but I must admit Roeth is friggin' awesome. Sorry to derail the thread, but looking at his stats on PFR is just awesome.
Roethlisberger is what, one year older? And he already has a ring and has put up 3 seasons with an incredible QB rating in each, with his off year coming after a surgery and motorcycle accident?!
Gawd, I'm a Pats homer hardcore, but I must admit Roeth is friggin' awesome. Sorry to derail the thread, but looking at his stats on PFR is just awesome.
Shermanator
Footballguy
Everyone has their opinions. No one is really wrong. But I cant see any argument that says Brady isnt already the best qb of all time. 3 Superbowls, en route to #4.Agreed, to a point. I would say he's in the discussion of all time greats, based on the eyball test. Project his career #s, and he'll be among the all time QBs. But to say at this point he's the best (evahhhh!!! ) is premature at best, blind homerism at worst.Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
FWIW, I was looking at Brady v. Manning at 7 years... Manning had better #s nearly across the board, but it wasn't by a wide margin. Something line 2500 + yds, 20 + TD, .6% + completion rate, about 300 + completions, but also 400 + attempts. The biggest percentage gap in career #s over 7 years was INT. Manning had ~ 120, Brady just 86.
I think the #s reflect the type of offense they've been asked to run during these years. Brady's early years wre on a great team and he was asked to manage the game and protect the ball. Manning's early years were on a great offensive team that had to outscore opponents to win. But watching both of these guys, and having watched Elway, Marino, Montana, et al. I think these guys are definitely in the all time discussion. I had Favre just below both Manning and Brady, but looking back at his #s, he has about 600+ yds, 15+ TD, lower comp%, and about 30+INT.
ETA: To stay on thread topic... ummm.. Brady would be my choice. VY might be a good NFL QB. Brady already is a great NFL QB.
Best statistical season ever.
Undefeated season.
The other qb's in the discussion at this point are just compilers. Lets see where statistically Brady is in 8 years from now.
And he is still just entering his prime. The Patriots will be a very good team for at least a couple more years.
But Im not talking about end of career stats. Im saying right now he is the greatest ever. At the end of his career he'll have numbers like Favre, or likely better, but many more rings.
The only thing hard to believe about it is that its such a bold statement.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Is this a joke? Vince Young will probably be out of the league before Brady retires.
CA_7
Footballguy
Saying that Young's 2nd year was a sophmores slump is a Titan fan/UT alums' way of ignoring the fact that NFL teams now have a decent amount of tape on Vince vs NFL opponents and can game plan to shut him down. Those that said talent wins in college but it takes brains to make it consistently in the NFL are right on.
Will be interesting to see how Vince's adjusts in in 3rd year.
Will be interesting to see how Vince's adjusts in in 3rd year.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Outside the context of this poll, discuss what VY's likely career path looks like ( ignore the Brady comparison )From what I saw in the progression of VY's development at UT, what he as able to accomplish as a rookie, and with a stable set of NFL caliber talent around him, I think he'll adjust pretty well. One flaw I saw this year from his play was what I think is an attempt to quell critics. He's been compared to Vick and Stewart, guys that are run first QBs. It looked to me ( in limited viewing ) that he was determined to become a pass-first QB, and hung in the pocket even when running lanes opened.What made him unbelievable in college was his instinctual playmaking. Seeing a seam open and taking it. Once that guy gets in the open field, he's pretty amazing. He shouldn't be run first, but he should have run more when it was there. That dual threat will open more passing lanes for him as defenses have to spy him.I expect to see Young progress as a QB in the next couple of years, to a decent to good NFL QB. I'd be surprised at both abject failure and at greatness. I'll look to revisit his prospects after the next couple of years play out.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
<inigo montoya>I do not think that means what you think it means!Everyone has their opinions. No one is really wrong. But I cant see any argument that says Brady isnt already the best qb of all time. 3 Superbowls, en route to #4.Agreed, to a point. I would say he's in the discussion of all time greats, based on the eyball test. Project his career #s, and he'll be among the all time QBs. But to say at this point he's the best (evahhhh!!! ) is premature at best, blind homerism at worst.Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
FWIW, I was looking at Brady v. Manning at 7 years... Manning had better #s nearly across the board, but it wasn't by a wide margin. Something line 2500 + yds, 20 + TD, .6% + completion rate, about 300 + completions, but also 400 + attempts. The biggest percentage gap in career #s over 7 years was INT. Manning had ~ 120, Brady just 86.
I think the #s reflect the type of offense they've been asked to run during these years. Brady's early years wre on a great team and he was asked to manage the game and protect the ball. Manning's early years were on a great offensive team that had to outscore opponents to win. But watching both of these guys, and having watched Elway, Marino, Montana, et al. I think these guys are definitely in the all time discussion. I had Favre just below both Manning and Brady, but looking back at his #s, he has about 600+ yds, 15+ TD, lower comp%, and about 30+INT.
ETA: To stay on thread topic... ummm.. Brady would be my choice. VY might be a good NFL QB. Brady already is a great NFL QB.
Best statistical season ever.
Undefeated season.
The other qb's in the discussion at this point are just compilers. Lets see where statistically Brady is in 8 years from now.
And he is still just entering his prime. The Patriots will be a very good team for at least a couple more years.
But Im not talking about end of career stats. Im saying right now he is the greatest ever. At the end of his career he'll have numbers like Favre, or likely better, but many more rings.
The only thing hard to believe about it is that its such a bold statement.
</inigo montoya>
Calling Manning or Favre a compiler at this point is truly laugable. He is almost universally accepted as the best or second best QB playing right now, and I'm not trying to make a case for either spot. Favre was 4th in passing yards and 6th in QB rating, while leading his team to the #2 seed in the playoffs.
Compilers are players like Keenan McCardell. 20 years of good, but not great stats that accumulate over years to get near some alltime greats.
Favre already has passed everyone, and is still playing at the top of the game. Manning has only 10 years in, and is beginning to approach the all time greats. FWIW, the #s comparisons I gave above were based on each QB's stats through their first 7 full seasons ( I discounted Favre's 1st year of only 2 starts, and Brady played in one game in 2000 ) Its an apples to apples comparison.
You can hold true to your GOAT claim on Brady, but ( and I'm a Pats fan, BTW ) I will withhold judgement on such claims until the entier body of work is complete.
Here's one thought for you to ponder... If Brady stopped playing after this year, and let his #s stand for themselves now, how long do you thing your argument that he was the GOAT would hold up?
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Phlash
Footballguy
I don't think you're a Pats fan.<inigo montoya>I do not think that means what you think it means!Everyone has their opinions. No one is really wrong. But I cant see any argument that says Brady isnt already the best qb of all time. 3 Superbowls, en route to #4.Agreed, to a point. I would say he's in the discussion of all time greats, based on the eyball test. Project his career #s, and he'll be among the all time QBs. But to say at this point he's the best (evahhhh!!! ) is premature at best, blind homerism at worst.Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
FWIW, I was looking at Brady v. Manning at 7 years... Manning had better #s nearly across the board, but it wasn't by a wide margin. Something line 2500 + yds, 20 + TD, .6% + completion rate, about 300 + completions, but also 400 + attempts. The biggest percentage gap in career #s over 7 years was INT. Manning had ~ 120, Brady just 86.
I think the #s reflect the type of offense they've been asked to run during these years. Brady's early years wre on a great team and he was asked to manage the game and protect the ball. Manning's early years were on a great offensive team that had to outscore opponents to win. But watching both of these guys, and having watched Elway, Marino, Montana, et al. I think these guys are definitely in the all time discussion. I had Favre just below both Manning and Brady, but looking back at his #s, he has about 600+ yds, 15+ TD, lower comp%, and about 30+INT.
ETA: To stay on thread topic... ummm.. Brady would be my choice. VY might be a good NFL QB. Brady already is a great NFL QB.
Best statistical season ever.
Undefeated season.
The other qb's in the discussion at this point are just compilers. Lets see where statistically Brady is in 8 years from now.
And he is still just entering his prime. The Patriots will be a very good team for at least a couple more years.
But Im not talking about end of career stats. Im saying right now he is the greatest ever. At the end of his career he'll have numbers like Favre, or likely better, but many more rings.
The only thing hard to believe about it is that its such a bold statement.
</inigo montoya>
Calling Manning or Favre a compiler at this point is truly laugable. He is almost universally accepted as the best or second best QB playing right now, and I'm not trying to make a case for either spot. Favre was 4th in passing yards and 6th in QB rating, while leading his team to the #2 seed in the playoffs.
Compilers are players like Keenan McCardell. 20 years of good, but not great stats that accumulate over years to get near some alltime greats.
Favre already has passed everyone, and is still playing at the top of the game. Manning has only 10 years in, and is beginning to approach the all time greats. FWIW, the #s comparisons I gave above were based on each QB's stats through their first 7 full seasons ( I discounted Favre's 1st year of only 2 starts, and Brady played in one game in 2000 ) Its an apples to apples comparison.
You can hold true to your GOAT claim on Brady, but ( and I'm a Pats fan, BTW ) I will withhold judgement on such claims until the entier body of work is complete.
Here's one thought for you to ponder... If Brady stopped playing after this year, and let his #s stand for themselves now, how long do you thing your argument that he was the GOAT would hold up?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I'd take Mario Williams over VY at QB. Just so I could use him ironman style on defense.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Really? Why not, exactly?I don't think you're a Pats fan.<inigo montoya>I do not think that means what you think it means!Everyone has their opinions. No one is really wrong. But I cant see any argument that says Brady isnt already the best qb of all time. 3 Superbowls, en route to #4.Agreed, to a point. I would say he's in the discussion of all time greats, based on the eyball test. Project his career #s, and he'll be among the all time QBs. But to say at this point he's the best (evahhhh!!! ) is premature at best, blind homerism at worst.Ummm...no, he is not. He just had one of the greatest single years as a QB in NFL history, that is definately true. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Roger Maris was not one of the best home run hitters in history. Career-wise I wouldn't even say Brady is the best of the active QBs - I'd put Favre and Manning ahead of him (look at their career numbers compared to Brady's before arguing please).
That said, anyone voting for VY is either a relative of his, a Patriot hater or an alias of the OP.
FWIW, I was looking at Brady v. Manning at 7 years... Manning had better #s nearly across the board, but it wasn't by a wide margin. Something line 2500 + yds, 20 + TD, .6% + completion rate, about 300 + completions, but also 400 + attempts. The biggest percentage gap in career #s over 7 years was INT. Manning had ~ 120, Brady just 86.
I think the #s reflect the type of offense they've been asked to run during these years. Brady's early years wre on a great team and he was asked to manage the game and protect the ball. Manning's early years were on a great offensive team that had to outscore opponents to win. But watching both of these guys, and having watched Elway, Marino, Montana, et al. I think these guys are definitely in the all time discussion. I had Favre just below both Manning and Brady, but looking back at his #s, he has about 600+ yds, 15+ TD, lower comp%, and about 30+INT.
ETA: To stay on thread topic... ummm.. Brady would be my choice. VY might be a good NFL QB. Brady already is a great NFL QB.
Best statistical season ever.
Undefeated season.
The other qb's in the discussion at this point are just compilers. Lets see where statistically Brady is in 8 years from now.
And he is still just entering his prime. The Patriots will be a very good team for at least a couple more years.
But Im not talking about end of career stats. Im saying right now he is the greatest ever. At the end of his career he'll have numbers like Favre, or likely better, but many more rings.
The only thing hard to believe about it is that its such a bold statement.
</inigo montoya>
Calling Manning or Favre a compiler at this point is truly laugable. He is almost universally accepted as the best or second best QB playing right now, and I'm not trying to make a case for either spot. Favre was 4th in passing yards and 6th in QB rating, while leading his team to the #2 seed in the playoffs.
Compilers are players like Keenan McCardell. 20 years of good, but not great stats that accumulate over years to get near some alltime greats.
Favre already has passed everyone, and is still playing at the top of the game. Manning has only 10 years in, and is beginning to approach the all time greats. FWIW, the #s comparisons I gave above were based on each QB's stats through their first 7 full seasons ( I discounted Favre's 1st year of only 2 starts, and Brady played in one game in 2000 ) Its an apples to apples comparison.
You can hold true to your GOAT claim on Brady, but ( and I'm a Pats fan, BTW ) I will withhold judgement on such claims until the entier body of work is complete.
Here's one thought for you to ponder... If Brady stopped playing after this year, and let his #s stand for themselves now, how long do you thing your argument that he was the GOAT would hold up?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
this is the silliest question i've ever seen posed.
a better question might be
phillip rivers or VY?
eli manning or VY?
jamarcus russell or VY?
kellen clemens or VY?
a better question might be
phillip rivers or VY?
eli manning or VY?
jamarcus russell or VY?
kellen clemens or VY?
toppshelff
Footballguy
I might take Young over Brady, but it'd be close...ETA, oops, I thought you meant Quinn. Didn't make sense as a question otherwise...
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