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I'm going to give Obama props. (1 Viewer)
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Varmint
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She was "thrown a bone" with her appointment to Secretary of State when she was passed over for the nomination that Obama got.timschochet said:
She felt (and most agreed) she was owed that nomination for being a "good little trooper" and not making waves for her husband when he was screwing around with interns.
She was a TERRIBLE Secretary of State and an even worse Senator.
Other than having "girly parts"...what exactly are her qualifications?
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ShamrockPride
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Ahh, the good ole "I'm leaving America if ___ becomes president." An American tradition.Rohn Jambo said:
Varmint
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GovTrack.us, an award-winning, non-partisan source of information on our legislators, has compiled a number of statistics related to bill sponsorship in the House and Senate. These statistics go back to 1997, and include such things as the number of bills sponsored, the number of sponsored bills that go to committee, and the number of sponsored bills that are passed into law. For the remainder of this analysis, I will be focusing solely on current senate Democrats who have completed at least one full term (I'm including Joseph Lieberman here, but not Bernie Sanders). There are 3938 such Senators in all. (The reason I'm excluding Republicans, FWIW, is that it's much easier to have one's bills become law when one's party controls the chamber, as the Republicans have for most of the past ten years. Therefore, it isn't fair to any Democrat to compare their numbers to a Republican).
Hillary Clinton has introduced bills to the Senate at a blistering pace. She has sponsored 337 bills in her Senate tenure so far, or an average of 288.9 per term. This is the highest number of any of her Democratic cohorts:
AVERAGE - 122.1 bills sponsored per term
Unfortunately, very little of this legislation has moved. Of Hillary's 337 bills, only 46 have made it to the Committee stage, giving her a 13.6% batting average; the typical Democrat has a 17.4% batting average. In other words, Hillary Clinton has been relatively ineffective at getting her sponsored bills to Committee; she ranks 24 of the 39 Democrats in this department.
AVERAGE - 17.4% of bills sponsored went to committee
Similarly, Hillary ranks poorly at converting bills that come out of Committee into law; only 2 of her 46 post-committee bills did so. This ranks 29th out of 3938 Democrats.
AVERAGE - 9.8% of bills sponsored out of committee became law
Combining these two things, we see that only 2 out of 337 bills she has sponsored have become law, or 0.6%. This is one of the worst numbers among the Democrats:
AVERAGE - 1.7% of bills sponsored became law
As a result, although Hillary has introduced bills at a faster pace than any of her colleagues, she has passed a below-average number of successful bills (e.g. bills that became law) -- just 2 over 7 years, or 1.7 per term.
AVERAGE - 2.1 bills become law per term
Hillary Clinton has introduced bills to the Senate at a blistering pace. She has sponsored 337 bills in her Senate tenure so far, or an average of 288.9 per term. This is the highest number of any of her Democratic cohorts:
- Clinton - 288.9 bills sponsored per term (337 in 1.17 terms)
- Feinstein - 288.8 bills sponsored per term (528 in 1.83 terms)
- Schumer - 218.2 bills sponsored per term (400 in 1.83 terms)
- Bingaman - 196.9 bills sponsored per term (361 in 1.83 terms)
- Boxer - 180.0 bills sponsored per term (330 in 1.83 terms)
AVERAGE - 122.1 bills sponsored per term
- Nelson/NE - 52.3 bills sponsored per term (61 in 1.17 terms)
- Byrd - 28.4 bills sponsored per term (52 in 1.83 terms)
Unfortunately, very little of this legislation has moved. Of Hillary's 337 bills, only 46 have made it to the Committee stage, giving her a 13.6% batting average; the typical Democrat has a 17.4% batting average. In other words, Hillary Clinton has been relatively ineffective at getting her sponsored bills to Committee; she ranks 24 of the 39 Democrats in this department.
- Byrd - 44.2% of bills sponsored went to committee (23 of 52)
- Biden - 42.7% of bills sponsored went to committee (93 of 218)
- Reid - 38.2% of bills sponsored went to committee (104 of 287)
- Akaka - 28.9% of bills sponsored went to committee (71 of 246)
- Kennedy - 25.8% of bills sponsored went to committee (83 of 322)
AVERAGE - 17.4% of bills sponsored went to committee
- Clinton - 13.6% of bills sponsored went to committee (46 of 337)
- Lincoln - 9.0% of bills sponsored went to committee (15 of 167)
- Nelson/NE - 6.6% of bills sponsored went to committee (4 of 61)
- Carper - 2.7% of bills sponsored went to committee (1 of 113)
Similarly, Hillary ranks poorly at converting bills that come out of Committee into law; only 2 of her 46 post-committee bills did so. This ranks 29th out of 3938 Democrats.
- Brown - 36.4% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (4 of 11)
- Carper - 33.3% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (1 of 3)
- Johnson - 30.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (6 of 20)
- Wyden - 25.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (8 of 32)
- Reed - 20.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (5 of 25)
AVERAGE - 9.8% of bills sponsored out of committee became law
- Clinton - 4.3% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (2 of 46
- Nelson/NE - 0.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (0 of 4)
- Kohl - 0.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (0 of 12)
- Nelson/FL - 0.0% of bills sponsored out of committee became law (0 of 26)
Combining these two things, we see that only 2 out of 337 bills she has sponsored have become law, or 0.6%. This is one of the worst numbers among the Democrats:
- Wyden - 4.8% of bills sponsored became law (8 of 165)
- Johnson - 4.3% of bills sponsored became law (6 of 138)
- Akaka - 4.1% of bills sponsored became law (10 of 246)
- Brown - 3.7% of bills sponsored became law (4 of 109)
- Reed - 3.0% of bills sponsored became law (5 of 146)
AVERAGE - 1.7% of bills sponsored became law
- Clinton - 0.6% of bills sponsored became law (2 of 337)
- Nelson/NE - 0.0% of bills sponsored became law (0 of 61)
- Kohl - 0.0% of bills sponsored became law (0 of 130)
- Nelson/FL - 0.0% of bills sponsored became law (0 of 133)
As a result, although Hillary has introduced bills at a faster pace than any of her colleagues, she has passed a below-average number of successful bills (e.g. bills that became law) -- just 2 over 7 years, or 1.7 per term.
- Feinstein - 6.0 bills became law per term (11 in 1.83 terms)
- Akaka - 5.5 bills became law per term (10 in 1.83 terms)
- Bingaman - 4.9 bills became law per term (9 in 1.83 terms)
- Dodd - 4.4 bills became law per term (8 in 1.83 terms)
- Kennedy - 4.4 bills became law per term (8 in 1.83 terms)
- Schumer - 4.4 bills became law per term (8 in 1.83 terms)
- Wyden - 4.4 bills became law per term (8 in 1.83 terms)
AVERAGE - 2.1 bills become law per term
- Clinton - 1.7 bills become law per term (2 in 1.17 terms)
- Nelson/FL - 0.0 bills become law per term (0 in 1.17 terms)
- Nelson/NE - 0.0 bills become law per term (0 in 1.17 terms)
- Kohl - 0.0 bills become law per term (0 in 1.83 terms)
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
You're right. Just giving up the citizenship may not be enough - may have to leave the country all together until the storm blows over.
Varmint
Footballguy
Made famous by....Eddie Vedder, Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, Robert Altman, Pierre Salinger, ...only Salinger left.
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timschochet
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You know, if I limited my political knowledge to simply accepting whatever you write as the exact opposite of the truth, I'd probably be a lot farther along than I am now.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Why not? I heard all illegal immigrants will be given amnesty after the next election.But if it is Hillary running the show...adios, amigo.
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Feel free to come back illegally. But you actually have to leave in order to renounce your citizenship.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
That is not a problem. At least five generations of my family have dual citizenship for a reason.
apalmer
Footballguy
Wait, you mean there's nothing that sets any other possible candidate apart from Hillary other than sex? So, you're saying Hillary is just as good as any other possible candidate? WOW! Varmint saying Hillary is as good as any other candidate should merit an FFA-wide news flash. Why didn't anyone alert me to this?
Varmint
Footballguy
Funny....much like you, that door swings both ways.
The only way you could be a bigger fool would be if you gained weight.
You say that what I post is untrue.
Most of what I post is the truth about something else that has made it into the media.
Refer me to a post that I made that can be proven as untrue.
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timschochet
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Your response is pretty much predictable and it suggests your limits in discussions of this kind. I didn't vote for Obama either time. I voted for Romney in 2012. I don't believe overall that Obama has been a good President except in foreign affairs.
I'm probably wasting my time but: the beauty of this forum is that people engage in discussion. They argue and learn stuff. Nobody's asking you to change your opinions, but you don't always need to spout them in such a diatribe manner with the simplistic message "Conservatives good, liberals bad!" all of the time. It's boring.
I'm probably wasting my time but: the beauty of this forum is that people engage in discussion. They argue and learn stuff. Nobody's asking you to change your opinions, but you don't always need to spout them in such a diatribe manner with the simplistic message "Conservatives good, liberals bad!" all of the time. It's boring.
Varmint
Footballguy
I've never sided with either party.
That should be obvious
What is also obvious is that the Democrats are currently in power.
Pointing out the errors of that other party would be pointless at this time....but I've done that too
You see only the attacks on Left because that is the side from which you observe.
My beef is with the media.
You will agree that the media protects Obama wouldn't you?
They don't report anything that would hurt Obama.....and yet his numbers are at what.....below 50%.......WAY below??....40%
Sept 15-21 Gallup ratings put Obama's approval rating at 43%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
In his 2nd Sept after re-election, Bush was at 42%....and by comparison, he was relentlessly hounded by the media
If his farts sounded wet...it was in the news.
If the media investigated THIS administration in the same manner that they have investigated other administrations....Obama would be run out on a rail.
...and BTW....foreign affairs is Obama's 2nd worst issue. (the economy being #1)
Swapping 5 terrorists for one deserter for example....mmmm...whatever happened with that?
Hear anything on the "news" lately?
If you haven't noticed....we aren't held in very high regard around the world any more.
That should be obvious
What is also obvious is that the Democrats are currently in power.
Pointing out the errors of that other party would be pointless at this time....but I've done that too
You see only the attacks on Left because that is the side from which you observe.
My beef is with the media.
You will agree that the media protects Obama wouldn't you?
They don't report anything that would hurt Obama.....and yet his numbers are at what.....below 50%.......WAY below??....40%
Sept 15-21 Gallup ratings put Obama's approval rating at 43%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
In his 2nd Sept after re-election, Bush was at 42%....and by comparison, he was relentlessly hounded by the media
If his farts sounded wet...it was in the news.
If the media investigated THIS administration in the same manner that they have investigated other administrations....Obama would be run out on a rail.
...and BTW....foreign affairs is Obama's 2nd worst issue. (the economy being #1)
Swapping 5 terrorists for one deserter for example....mmmm...whatever happened with that?
Hear anything on the "news" lately?
If you haven't noticed....we aren't held in very high regard around the world any more.
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