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I'm starting ____________ over Calvin Johnson (1 Viewer)

thewaterboys

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I know I will get crucified for suggesting that anyone bench a "stud" WR but Johnson has been terrible as of late. In his last 4 games he has scored a total of 19 points in my league. So, has the time come to bench him or are we all just hoping for a 190 yd 3 TD game to totally redeem us standing by our man?

I will say this, if I had another great option he would be riding the pine. I have tried trading him but no one wants him. My bench at WR consists of Bowe, Cecil Shorts, and Andre Roberts.

Maybe I could go way off the board and start Shorts agaist Detriot. How ironic (or idiotic) would that be.

So, who has the stones to bench Johnson??? Better yet, who will admit they are doing it?

 
As soon as you sit him he will go off. Especially not a good week this week. Stafford has looked a lot better and Titus and Broyles are going to command some coverage. Calvin's time is coming....you just have to plug him in and wait.

 
I benched him last week in favor of Colston, Cobb and Decker and it worked out. This week will be even tougher to start him as I'm only going to start 2 WR.

Disclaimer: This is my 10 team league.

 
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I’m so tempted to play Antonio Brown over him, but I don’t think I will, for two reasons. First, it’s a non-PPR league. Second, Calvin plays the Jags. If he doesn’t have a really good game this week, I think he goes to the pine.

 
Benched him last week for reggie Wayne. I think one of the great errors of ff is to not realize that things DO change. A game here or there? No problem. We all have bad days. But no TDs and constant double teams by every team and the targets cut in half? Yeah, it sucks, but sometimes you have to look past the name. Of course, the decision was easier for me than most because Reggie has been about as sure a thing as exists this year and I was lucky not to have the bye issues like a lot of people did.

 
'Shutout said:
Benched him last week for reggie Wayne. I think one of the great errors of ff is to not realize that things DO change. A game here or there? No problem. We all have bad days. But no TDs and constant double teams by every team and the targets cut in half? Yeah, it sucks, but sometimes you have to look past the name. Of course, the decision was easier for me than most because Reggie has been about as sure a thing as exists this year and I was lucky not to have the bye issues like a lot of people did.
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I agree with what you're saying, but there's no doubt about it that he could go off for 30+ points in any game. He has the assets to do it. I'm fortunate that the league I own him in is a 10 team league and I have other good options as well.
 
Calvin had a potential TD go off his fingertips last week. If he hauls that in, we are talking about him turning it around. That said, I would find it hard to sit him, unless you have a white hot option like Wayne, Colston, etc......

 
'NajehHejan said:
I’m so tempted to play Antonio Brown over him, but I don’t think I will, for two reasons. First, it’s a non-PPR league. Second, Calvin plays the Jags. If he doesn’t have a really good game this week, I think he goes to the pine.
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What has Brown done to tempt you into starting him? I've seen nothing but hype for Brown.
 
Denarius Moore vs the TB Bucs 30th ranked pass D. Andre Johnson vs the Bills and Brandon Marshall.

I may chicken out and take out Andre but Moore and Marshall start.

 
Calvin is averaging the same number of receptions (5.85 per game as opposed to 5.785 last year), and more targets (10 per game as opposed to 9.25 last year) as he had at this point last year. THe only thing different is that he hasn't converted a lot of those catches into touchdowns.

Last year, his touchdown rate (especially early) was too high to sustain, and this year (so far) it's too low to remain the same. The targets and catches should continue, and the touchdowns should improve. If I had him, I'd be starting him every week...and not freaking out over two weeks where teams put everything they could into stopping him. The Bears are the best defense in the NFL and the Seahawks are pretty solid, so it's understandable that they were able to do ok at shutting him down.

For the record, I don't own him...but I think the freak outs over his lessened performance is a little unjust at this point. Yeah, he's disappointed his draft position, but he's still performing at a pretty high level, with the exception of the unusually low TD rate.

 
'Shutout said:
Benched him last week for reggie Wayne. I think one of the great errors of ff is to not realize that things DO change. A game here or there? No problem. We all have bad days. But no TDs and constant double teams by every team and the targets cut in half? Yeah, it sucks, but sometimes you have to look past the name. Of course, the decision was easier for me than most because Reggie has been about as sure a thing as exists this year and I was lucky not to have the bye issues like a lot of people did.
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I did the same and won my game because of it. The Wayne owner had put him on the block and I decided to trade for him.Like you said, it's easier putting in Wayne than other WRs. I also had Steve Smith and Brian Hartline but wasn't ready to play either of them ahead of Calvin yet...I just got a message this morning asking what I would want for Calvin. It's a keeper league and I'm planning to hold onto him for next year. He's too talented for things to not turn around...
 
Suddenly very popular to drop Calvin in rankings....for the week and year. This site, other sites, forum topics....it's everywhere. I follow FBG and paid for the service, but I'm beginning to ask myself why. They all seem to jump on the same bandwagons.

 
'solorca said:
Calvin is averaging the same number of receptions (5.85 per game as opposed to 5.785 last year), and more targets (10 per game as opposed to 9.25 last year) as he had at this point last year. THe only thing different is that he hasn't converted a lot of those catches into touchdowns.Last year, his touchdown rate (especially early) was too high to sustain, and this year (so far) it's too low to remain the same. The targets and catches should continue, and the touchdowns should improve. If I had him, I'd be starting him every week...and not freaking out over two weeks where teams put everything they could into stopping him. The Bears are the best defense in the NFL and the Seahawks are pretty solid, so it's understandable that they were able to do ok at shutting him down.For the record, I don't own him...but I think the freak outs over his lessened performance is a little unjust at this point. Yeah, he's disappointed his draft position, but he's still performing at a pretty high level, with the exception of the unusually low TD rate.
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This all makes sense, if you look at the box scores. But if you watch the games, it's worrisome that they haven't been the same quality targets. Stafford is not on his game, his mechanics look dreadful even in the pocket, and Calvin is basically being forced targets only in the 4th quarter. Is that Stafford, is it the defensive gameplan, or what? I know that many of Calvin's targets last season came in the 4th quarter as well, but it just seems that Stafford won't force him the ball before he HAS to. And the targets he IS getting are not as high of quality as the ones he was getting last year. Sometimes it's deeper than the numbers.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'solorca said:
Calvin is averaging the same number of receptions (5.85 per game as opposed to 5.785 last year), and more targets (10 per game as opposed to 9.25 last year) as he had at this point last year. THe only thing different is that he hasn't converted a lot of those catches into touchdowns.

Last year, his touchdown rate (especially early) was too high to sustain, and this year (so far) it's too low to remain the same. The targets and catches should continue, and the touchdowns should improve. If I had him, I'd be starting him every week...and not freaking out over two weeks where teams put everything they could into stopping him. The Bears are the best defense in the NFL and the Seahawks are pretty solid, so it's understandable that they were able to do ok at shutting him down.

For the record, I don't own him...but I think the freak outs over his lessened performance is a little unjust at this point. Yeah, he's disappointed his draft position, but he's still performing at a pretty high level, with the exception of the unusually low TD rate.
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This all makes sense, if you look at the box scores. But if you watch the games, it's worrisome that they haven't been the same quality targets. Stafford is not on his game, his mechanics look dreadful even in the pocket, and Calvin is basically being forced targets only in the 4th quarter. Is that Stafford, is it the defensive gameplan, or what? I know that many of Calvin's targets last season came in the 4th quarter as well, but it just seems that Stafford won't force him the ball before he HAS to. And the targets he IS getting are not as high of quality as the ones he was getting last year. Sometimes it's deeper than the numbers.
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:goodposting: That is why as FF Players we need to watch the games to get our own gut feel.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'solorca said:
Calvin is averaging the same number of receptions (5.85 per game as opposed to 5.785 last year), and more targets (10 per game as opposed to 9.25 last year) as he had at this point last year. THe only thing different is that he hasn't converted a lot of those catches into touchdowns.

Last year, his touchdown rate (especially early) was too high to sustain, and this year (so far) it's too low to remain the same. The targets and catches should continue, and the touchdowns should improve. If I had him, I'd be starting him every week...and not freaking out over two weeks where teams put everything they could into stopping him. The Bears are the best defense in the NFL and the Seahawks are pretty solid, so it's understandable that they were able to do ok at shutting him down.

For the record, I don't own him...but I think the freak outs over his lessened performance is a little unjust at this point. Yeah, he's disappointed his draft position, but he's still performing at a pretty high level, with the exception of the unusually low TD rate.
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This all makes sense, if you look at the box scores. But if you watch the games, it's worrisome that they haven't been the same quality targets. Stafford is not on his game, his mechanics look dreadful even in the pocket, and Calvin is basically being forced targets only in the 4th quarter. Is that Stafford, is it the defensive gameplan, or what? I know that many of Calvin's targets last season came in the 4th quarter as well, but it just seems that Stafford won't force him the ball before he HAS to. And the targets he IS getting are not as high of quality as the ones he was getting last year. Sometimes it's deeper than the numbers.
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I watched on Sunday. I saw The Staff slice and dice the "legion of boom" using many different receivers. I think Detroit is going to get better and Calvin will too because other teams will need to start respecting Young, Broyles, the TE's, and maybe Thomas now too. Calvin about to break through?
 
You'll be sorrrrrrrryyyyyy!!

Personally, I think he's not right physically. Wish he would just take a week off. That would make the decision easy.

 
Right now I have Brandon Marshall and Denarius Moore starting, Megatron on the bench. Chances are he'll be in the line-up come Sunday... lol.

 
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Calvin will reward those who bought or stayed patient.

Last year it was the same thing after his furious start.

 
'NCPanthersFan said:
Calvin sits out practice but expected to play:http://www.freep.com/article/20121031/SPORTS01/121031028/detroit-lions-calvin-johnson-injuryI personally think anyone who is saying they are going to bench Calvin is full of ####. :rolleyes:
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If you are ever thinking of benching Calvin you should trade him. I own Nicks, Mike Williams, Decker and can't see benching Calvin. Don't have my head in the sand - there are issues. But I think Stafford gets confidence from last week and teams have to respect other options more. Too big a talent in a very good offense to bench. This isn't like Fitz in AZ
 
'Judge Smails said:
'NCPanthersFan said:
Calvin sits out practice but expected to play:http://www.freep.com/article/20121031/SPORTS01/121031028/detroit-lions-calvin-johnson-injuryI personally think anyone who is saying they are going to bench Calvin is full of ####. :rolleyes:
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If you are ever thinking of benching Calvin you should trade him. I own Nicks, Mike Williams, Decker and can't see benching Calvin. Don't have my head in the sand - there are issues. But I think Stafford gets confidence from last week and teams have to respect other options more. Too big a talent in a very good offense to bench. This isn't like Fitz in AZ
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Not only that, but a couple things... One is that it's the Jags D, end of story. Two, Megatron has yet to put up three bad games in a row this year. I expect him to get over 120 yards receiving, 2 TD's.
 
We start 3 receivers and I've got to choose between Marshall, Calvin, Colston, and DMoore. Moore has been putting up points all year on my bench - I'd love to take him out of the garage for a spin but the only way to do that is to sit Calvin. Is this the week?

 
'RamMan said:
We start 3 receivers and I've got to choose between Marshall, Calvin, Colston, and DMoore. Moore has been putting up points all year on my bench - I'd love to take him out of the garage for a spin but the only way to do that is to sit Calvin. Is this the week?
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Nope. Don't even open the garage door if Calvin is 100%.
 
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On track for 1300 yards...

With so many double teams etc, the play has to develop a bit for him to get open. Can't really judge his output with Stafford has come up against some of the better Dlines in the league the last two weeks. Even with that he had a sitter of a TD.

The TDs will come.

 
Have Johnson, Harvin, Wayne and Floyd. Starting the first 3 in my 2 WR positions and Flex. If my RB situation weren't so terrible, maybe I'd think of putting an RB in flex and going Harvin and Wayne, but I still doubt it.

It is really bizarre and frustrating to look down at a 0/0 stat line in the 3rd quarter, but as others have said, the overall pace is still there, so just gotta be patient.

 
'RamMan said:
We start 3 receivers and I've got to choose between Marshall, Calvin, Colston, and DMoore. Moore has been putting up points all year on my bench - I'd love to take him out of the garage for a spin but the only way to do that is to sit Calvin. Is this the week?
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As tempting as it is to want to get a surging Moore in your lineup this week against a depleted TB secondary, you just cannot bench a (relatively) healthy Calvin. I too have Moore on my bench, so I feel your pain, but I am rolling wih Calvin. Moore has been consistently scoring and getting 4-5 receptions. While Moore could have a career day against TB, in his young career, he has yet to put up more than 5 receptions in a game, has only broken the century mark once this season and his only career multiple-TD game came in Week #10 last season. Calvin has undoubtedly hit a low point, but against Jacksonville, he should at least match Moore's numbers, and his ceiling is higher. Calvin has at least 5 receptions in all but the last two games this season and has exceeded the century mark three times. Detroit will not stop targeting Calvin, especially in the redzone, and with Titus Young drawing some attention, I expect Megatron to come out of his mini-slump. Stick with Calvin.
 
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