In a dynasty PPR, who goes at 1.1, AP or CJ? (1 Viewer)

[Madscott]

Title pretty much says it all. Just curious as to what thoughts are about taking CJ ahead of AP in a dynasty league where PPR is counted.

Boiling it down, I think one would have to look long and hard at CJ at 1.1 both long and short term. Granted, situation will have to factor in somewhat but just looking at the positions and long term potential output, I think there's going to be a tough choice at 1.1 this year.

Thoughts????

 

[Stealthycat]

I have this roster in one league ....... and while Adrian Peterson or Lynch could both be the next great RB my greater need is a WR. I'll likely take CJ with the 1.1 overall pick, because I've got starting RB's in Benson, Jones, Maroney and Parker and playing RB's in Bell and Norwood ........ i don't need another RB ...... and with this team, Edwards and Stallworth are my #1 WR's (that sucks huh ?)

Depends on your roster on who you need to take I think

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB

Romo, Tony DAL QB

Bell, Tatum DEN RB

Benson, Cedric CHI RB

Jones, Thomas CHI RB

Maroney, Laurence NEP RB ®

Norwood, Jerious ATL RB ®

Parker, Willie PIT RB

Bryant, Antonio SFO WR

Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

Johnson, Keyshawn CAR WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

Stallworth, Donte' PHI WR

Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE

Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK ®

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC Def

 

[Madscott]

Playing devil's advocate a bit, what if need was the same on both sides? All things being equal, in a PPR format, would it favor AP or CJ?

 

[BigTex]

Dynasty League.

The owner with the 1.1 pick said he is going with CJ and its a non ppr league.

 

[KING]

i think it's just common sense. draft need, and maybe trade down 1 spot if you'd rather have CJ.

 

[Scrubby Dubs]

I just posted the same question before I realized that this had been posted earlier today (I had been meaning to ask around for a while now because I had not seen it discussed before). Anyway...

I have heard nothing but glowing reviews about CJ ("the best rookie WR ever?") while the stuff on AP has been mixed (runs upright, might be injury-prone). Right now I have no doubt that I would take CJ with a #1 pick, especially in a league that starts 3 WRs and RBs get 0.5 ppr.

 

[bcr8f]

Do the RB and WR get the same PPR?

 

[phthalatemagic]

i think it's just common sense. draft need, and maybe trade down 1 spot if you'd rather have CJ.

My common sense tells me to draft BPA

 

[Madscott]

Do the RB and WR get the same PPR?

For argument sake, yes.

 

[Scrubby Dubs]

Do the RB and WR get the same PPR?

WRs get 1 ppr

 

[Scrubby Dubs]

Do the RB and WR get the same PPR?

WRs get 1 ppr

sorry, I thought he was asking me specifically...(so, yes for the sake of argument)

 

[Chadstroma]

I think all situations are different as far as your team goes. You could be stacked at RB and need help at WR- likely you should go with the 'superior' player in CJ. I think it gets more interesting when you do not have an overall need in any area.

In my situation, my team is fairly deep in all positions with no position screaming for help but if there was one position not as deep as my other positions, it would be WR. I could use CJ as my possible #3 starter behind J. Walker and A. Boldin. I also have the #2 pick overall in our rookie draft for the dynasty league I am in. I am expecting the #1 pick to take A. Peterson. So, my choice is fairly easy and simple. If, my pick was not so simple, my thoughts are this:

CJ is clearly the 'safe' pick. AP seems to have great upside but he also seems to have the potential to be a complete bust. In my view, he is not as safe a pick as Bush or Addai or Maroney were last year but he might have more upside potential (on the right team) than Addai or Maroney.

Of course, we need to see what team and what situation they are in to really figure out short term potential but I am much more comfortable with CJ than I am with AP.

 

[BLOX]

Isn't Lynch the better receiver between him and AD?

Not to get this thread off track, but in PPR, I'd have to really think about Lynch over AD depending on where they land.

Lynch in Green Bay for example would be a huge PPR advantage, imo.

 

[Demons]

Given the relative values, trade-wise and in consistent points production, I would go with the RB.

It is only this last season that Peterson dropped in value, due to the injury. By all accounts, that is not the type of injury that has any significance long term. He should be a stud RB for at least six years, unless Chicago drafts him.

Calvin Johnson should be a stud WR for ten years. But, WR's just aren't worth the same, given the greater scarcity of stud RB's. As an example, I have offered Chad Johnson and Steve Smith for Stephen Jackson in a PPR Dynasty league I'm in. I have been shut down flat.

Another consideration is the reliance a WR has on the QB, versus how much a RB has to rely on the QB. A stud WR in Houston is still hampered by poor QB play. Whereas Ron Dayne was doing great in Houston. Ron Dayne.

RB's are more consistent than WR's in scoring. WR's tend to have more variation from low to high than a RB does. RB's tend to score a higher minimum each week. Consistency in scoring helps you win more often than the weeks where you have a stellar performance by a WR that gives you 30 points more than you needed to win.

 

[Chadstroma]

Given the relative values, trade-wise and in consistent points production, I would go with the RB.It is only this last season that Peterson dropped in value, due to the injury. By all accounts, that is not the type of injury that has any significance long term. He should be a stud RB for at least six years, unless Chicago drafts him.Calvin Johnson should be a stud WR for ten years. But, WR's just aren't worth the same, given the greater scarcity of stud RB's. As an example, I have offered Chad Johnson and Steve Smith for Stephen Jackson in a PPR Dynasty league I'm in. I have been shut down flat.Another consideration is the reliance a WR has on the QB, versus how much a RB has to rely on the QB. A stud WR in Houston is still hampered by poor QB play. Whereas Ron Dayne was doing great in Houston. Ron Dayne.RB's are more consistent than WR's in scoring. WR's tend to have more variation from low to high than a RB does. RB's tend to score a higher minimum each week. Consistency in scoring helps you win more often than the weeks where you have a stellar performance by a WR that gives you 30 points more than you needed to win.

Tons of good points that I am not going to try to shoot down but at the same time I think it is dangerous to just say 'take the RB' in every situation.

 

[sib]

Isn't Lynch the better receiver between him and AD?Not to get this thread off track, but in PPR, I'd have to really think about Lynch over AD depending on where they land.Lynch in Green Bay for example would be a huge PPR advantage, imo.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Lynch was USED more as a receiver, but during Peterson's OU workout I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that everyone found that he is a fine receiver as well.

 

[Keg]

Playing devil's advocate a bit, what if need was the same on both sides? All things being equal, in a PPR format, would it favor AP or CJ?

i have 1.1 and Bush and Caddy, AD will be my selectionmy current WRs are Chad Johnson Plax and VJax but its a 16 team league and RBs are just to hard to findto pass on someone like AD....top WRs arent a dime a dozen but you can mine a serviceable WR much easierthen you can a serviceable RB

 

[KING]

Given the relative values, trade-wise and in consistent points production, I would go with the RB.It is only this last season that Peterson dropped in value, due to the injury. By all accounts, that is not the type of injury that has any significance long term. He should be a stud RB for at least six years, unless Chicago drafts him.Calvin Johnson should be a stud WR for ten years. But, WR's just aren't worth the same, given the greater scarcity of stud RB's. As an example, I have offered Chad Johnson and Steve Smith for Stephen Jackson in a PPR Dynasty league I'm in. I have been shut down flat.Another consideration is the reliance a WR has on the QB, versus how much a RB has to rely on the QB. A stud WR in Houston is still hampered by poor QB play. Whereas Ron Dayne was doing great in Houston. Ron Dayne.RB's are more consistent than WR's in scoring. WR's tend to have more variation from low to high than a RB does. RB's tend to score a higher minimum each week. Consistency in scoring helps you win more often than the weeks where you have a stellar performance by a WR that gives you 30 points more than you needed to win.

come on.....you didn't get shutdown flat. how many counter offers did you get? 3...4? you just couldn't part with the guy i wanted, thats not getting shutdown flat.

 

[Scrubby Dubs]

I wish you were in my league -- I'd take that deal for Jackson any day!

But, you're right that RBs tend to be more consistent.

 

[kensat30]

I just can't see taking a WR ahead of Adrian Peterson. Calvin Johnson looks like the next big thing, but for the most part, WRs take a lot longer to develop into stud fantasy players than RBs do. And even then a stud RB is worth so much more than stud WR.

Just look at the last draft with "top grade WR talents" available: Fitzgerald and Roy Williams. Those guys may have no been as highly hyped as CJ (deserved or not), but then again Steven Jackson and Kevin Jones weren't as hyped as AP either.

In the end we see the RBs have the greater potential to make both an instant impact (KJ) and reach a stud level (SJ). Who here would trade Steven Jackson straight up for Fitzgerald in a PPR league? Who here would have traded Kevin Jones for Roy Williams after their rookie years?

And even with Kevin Jones suffering a serious Lis Franc injury, there are trades being made on this board for WRs like Javon Walker and Marques Colston, showing how much value a RB with potential holds.

What can you get for Charles Rogers these days? Even a bust like Tatum Bell is still worth something to some people.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

It's so close that it comes down to scoring/lineup and your league's mindset. In start 3 WR, 16 team leagues, CJ is the pick. In your more traditional 12 team, start 2 WR no PPR league, AD is the pick. As you get closer to the middle, the pick becomes more agonizing.

The bottom line is that this is the year to trade up to 1.02

 

[brobe4]

Bloom Is awesome thanks for all the work you do.

 

[oukurt]

Lynch was USED more as a receiver, but during Peterson's OU workout I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that everyone found that he is a fine receiver as well.

OU's offense utilized the RB very little in the passing game. He showed his stuff at the combine for sure. I think he will surprise all of us with his hands at the next level.

 

[Madscott]

It's so close that it comes down to scoring/lineup and your league's mindset. In start 3 WR, 16 team leagues, CJ is the pick. In your more traditional 12 team, start 2 WR no PPR league, AD is the pick. As you get closer to the middle, the pick becomes more agonizing.The bottom line is that this is the year to trade up to 1.02

1.02 certainly seems to be the cat-bird seat this year. Keeps you in the running for one of the top 2 and eases the pain of making the decision. As much as anything, I think where each guy lands may end up being the determining factor, at least in my mind.

 

[Bevo]

I think this would be a very good question after the NFL draft. Without knowing where any of these players wind up there are just too many questions to factor in right now.

 

[Buckna]

Take the RB or trade the pick. If you really want a WR, you can either trade down or the best scenario is land an already top 10-15 WR for the rookie 1.1. Why risk the chance of CJ busting if you can have the safety of Roy or Andre or Evans or Colston or probably a number of other already proven top WR's?

 

[dirtyhalos]

It's so close that it comes down to scoring/lineup and your league's mindset. In start 3 WR, 16 team leagues, CJ is the pick. In your more traditional 12 team, start 2 WR no PPR league, AD is the pick. As you get closer to the middle, the pick becomes more agonizing.The bottom line is that this is the year to trade up to 1.02

i own the 1.01r in a league with this format and am 99% locked into calvinbut it does boil down to scoring

 

[TBLCommish]

I own the 1.1 in a 16 team PPR dynasty league and I am all over AD!

IMO a stud RB trumps a stud WR any day of the week!

This is not a draft pick based on need either as I have LT, Ronnie Brown and D Williams at RB and based on league rules I am only required to start 1.

AD is getting the raw deal IMO and CJ is getting all the love.

I will gladly stash away a player of AD's caliber and laugh all the way to multiple championships for years to come in my dynasty league.

 

[Chadstroma]

Take the RB or trade the pick. If you really want a WR, you can either trade down or the best scenario is land an already top 10-15 WR for the rookie 1.1. Why risk the chance of CJ busting if you can have the safety of Roy or Andre or Evans or Colston or probably a number of other already proven top WR's?

If you can trade down and get extra value AND get who you want anyways, that is the best move by far.

 

[slowkidz]

Take the RB or trade the pick. If you really want a WR, you can either trade down or the best scenario is land an already top 10-15 WR for the rookie 1.1. Why risk the chance of CJ busting if you can have the safety of Roy or Andre or Evans or Colston or probably a number of other already proven top WR's?

If you can trade down and get extra value AND get who you want anyways, that is the best move by far.

I'll trade ya the 1.03 if you're interested scotty. I would go for the RB, IMO. CJ is intresesting, but as you said it would depend upon where he lands in the draft. My only worry with WRs is that you have to rely on someone to get the ball to him. With a RB, he takes it and creates his own luck. Whether he has a good line or bad, if he is an elite RB he will find somewhere to go and pick up some yards. With a WR, you have to hope that the QB can get the ball to him to make the play. If you have a QB like Frye, McCown, or Boeller, I could see CJ dropping from WR1 to WR3 or 4 instantly. But as you said, this is basically a moot point until after the draft.

 

[salmonstud]

Take the RB or trade the pick. If you really want a WR, you can either trade down or the best scenario is land an already top 10-15 WR for the rookie 1.1. Why risk the chance of CJ busting if you can have the safety of Roy or Andre or Evans or Colston or probably a number of other already proven top WR's?

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