In a snake draft, in the last X number of years the 12 pick has made the playoffs X times (1 Viewer)

[The Dude]

Designate if keeper or not

No keepers
Last 10 years
1 time

 

[rockaction]

Are we supposed to research this or contribute our leagues’ results so that it can be assessed?

 

[-jb-]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

 

[-jb-]

Side note, the top 5 have contributed 9 of the last 10 years of champions. This is a unique league with pretty specific rules and roster requirements…but still.

 

[eighsse2]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Very interesting.

I would also ask, how many teams make the playoffs out of how many? Which would probably be helpful to know for all submissions in this thread. And obviously I'm sure "pick 12" is intended to mean the last pick of the first round.

 

[-jb-]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Very interesting.

I would also ask, how many teams make the playoffs out of how many? Which would probably be helpful to know for all submissions in this thread. And obviously I'm sure "pick 12" is intended to mean the last pick of the first round.

12 team, half ppr. 5 teams make playoffs. 3 division winners, 2 WC. yes divisions can be viewed as silly, but this is a long standing league with lots of wackiness.

 

[eighsse2]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Very interesting.

I would also ask, how many teams make the playoffs out of how many? Which would probably be helpful to know for all submissions in this thread. And obviously I'm sure "pick 12" is intended to mean the last pick of the first round.

12 team, half ppr. 5 teams make playoffs. 3 division winners, 2 WC.

That's actually super insane that they're only 1/25.

 

[LawFitz]

This is why Auction or 3RR is a must. Heck, I'd set up my league as 3RR and 4RR if I could (as in the 12th slot gets the first pick in rds 2-4, and then snaking begins).

 

[Deamon]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Find this hard to believe. You went back 25 years of drafts, back to 1998, and found out who the 12th pick was each of those 25 years, and they only MADE the playoffs ONCE? Cmon now.

 

[-jb-]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Find this hard to believe. You went back 25 years of drafts, back to 1998, and found out who the 12th pick was each of those 25 years, and they only MADE the playoffs ONCE? Cmon now.

It's been discussed throughout the years. Dude went WR/WR and everyone laughed at him for not taking a RB.

League started in 1996. We've been on the same platform since they became a thing. I have data that goes back to 2001. I just double-checked, and it was 2002. So 22 years.

YOU FOUND ME OUT! SHAME!!!

 

[Deamon]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Find this hard to believe. You went back 25 years of drafts, back to 1998, and found out who the 12th pick was each of those 25 years, and they only MADE the playoffs ONCE? Cmon now.

It's been discussed throughout the years. Dude went WR/WR and everyone laughed at him for not taking a RB.

League started in 1996. We've been on the same platform since they became a thing. I have data that goes back to 2001. I just double-checked, and it was 2002. So 22 years.

YOU FOUND ME OUT! SHAME!!!

and every other year the last pick in the draft couldn't even get into the top half of the standings???

 

[Deamon]

This is why Auction or 3RR is a must. Heck, I'd set up my league as 3RR and 4RR if I could (as in the 12th slot gets the first pick in rds 2-4, and then snaking begins).

Only 2 people have responded lol.

I have data for 14 years and it's at 6/14 years they made playoffs. 2 times have won the championship.

 

[-jb-]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Find this hard to believe. You went back 25 years of drafts, back to 1998, and found out who the 12th pick was each of those 25 years, and they only MADE the playoffs ONCE? Cmon now.

It's been discussed throughout the years. Dude went WR/WR and everyone laughed at him for not taking a RB.

League started in 1996. We've been on the same platform since they became a thing. I have data that goes back to 2001. I just double-checked, and it was 2002. So 22 years.

YOU FOUND ME OUT! SHAME!!!

and every other year the last pick in the draft couldn't even get into the top half of the standings???

Ope. No, My bad, truly. That was the one SB winner. I can check on playoffs (should be easy, because i get that crappy spot all the time).

 

[Wrigley]

I'm not going back that far, but the 12th spot has made the playoffs each of the past 2 seasons, winning once.

 

[Yenrub]

Redraft. Once in 25 years. Zero in last 10.

Find this hard to believe. You went back 25 years of drafts, back to 1998, and found out who the 12th pick was each of those 25 years, and they only MADE the playoffs ONCE? Cmon now.

It's been discussed throughout the years. Dude went WR/WR and everyone laughed at him for not taking a RB.

League started in 1996. We've been on the same platform since they became a thing. I have data that goes back to 2001. I just double-checked, and it was 2002. So 22 years.

YOU FOUND ME OUT! SHAME!!!

Seems similar to my league, which started in 1996 but I only have the data from 2004 to present.
12 teams 5 teams make the playoffs – 3 division winners – 2 wildcards
We can keep two players for one season. For the pick in the round the player was drafted in.
Example: I drafted Nico Collins in the 15th round in 2023, I will keep him for a 15th round pick this year. He must go back into the draft in 2025 – even if I trade him sometime this season.

# of playoff appreances by 1st round draft position in this league since 2004

1.01– 8
1.02– 8
1.03– 8
1.04– 8
1.05- 8
1.06– 11
1.07– 12
1.08- 6
1.09– 6
1.10– 5
1.11– 10
1.12- 10

Our draft order is random, we just pick names out of a hat to determine draft order.

 

[Deamon]

Shall we just hit reset on this thread? lol

 

[Rubi]

I have data from last season.
Six leagues played in.
Had #12 in two of them and made the playoffs.
Both teams won the league.
Had #1 in two of them.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
Had #5 and #6 in the other two leagues.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
All leagues top four made playoffs.
So my data from last season shows the #12 pick at 100%.
And the #1 pick at 100%.

 

[Deamon]

Pick 12 doesn't seem to be that bad at all from the responses. In fact, it seems on average to be one of the better spots.

 

[The Dude]

Pick 12 doesn't seem to be that bad at all from the responses. In fact, it seems on average to be one of the better spots.

Definitely not seeing that it’s one of the better spots.

 

[The Dude]

I have data from last season.
Six leagues played in.
Had #12 in two of them and made the playoffs.
Both teams won the league.
Had #1 in two of them.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
Had #5 and #6 in the other two leagues.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
All leagues top four made playoffs.
So my data from last season shows the #12 pick at 100%.
And the #1 pick at 100%.

That’s a good success rate. Regarding where you had the 12 pick - are these redraft ( no keepers) or 3RR or other rules to level field? If not, good job!

 

[Rubi]

I have data from last season.
Six leagues played in.
Had #12 in two of them and made the playoffs.
Both teams won the league.
Had #1 in two of them.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
Had #5 and #6 in the other two leagues.
Both teams made the playoffs.
One of them won the league.
All leagues top four made playoffs.
So my data from last season shows the #12 pick at 100%.
And the #1 pick at 100%.

That’s a good success rate. Regarding where you had the 12 pick - are these redraft ( no keepers) or 3RR or other rules to level field? If not, good job!

All leagues were redraft.
Snake no reversal.
2 Flex

 

[Deamon]

I have data for 14 years and it's at 6/14 years they made playoffs. 2 times have won the championship.

slightly below average making playoffs, above average winning the title.

I'm not going back that far, but the 12th spot has made the playoffs each of the past 2 seasons, winning once.

way above average, made playoffs every season

# of playoff appreances by 1st round draft position in this league since 2004

1.01– 8
1.02– 8
1.03– 8
1.04– 8
1.05- 8
1.06– 11
1.07– 12
1.08- 6
1.09– 6
1.10– 5
1.11– 10
1.12- 10

way above average... made playoffs every single season.

So my data from last season shows the #12 pick at 100%.

way above average, made playoffs every single season.

Definitely not seeing that it’s one of the better spots.

This is every response in here so far (jb's was how many times they won the title, not made the playoffs.)

What aren't you seeing?

 

[The Dude]

What aren't you seeing?

My count is different cause one guy was a keeper league and the other guys said data was flawed. I see:

1/10
6/14
2/2
2/2

Depending on how you sum that the outcome can vary.

We draw slots to choose draft spots. I am taking the 12.

 

[Deamon]

What aren't you seeing?

My count is different cause one guy was a keeper league and the other guys said data was flawed. I see:

1/10
6/14
2/2
2/2

Depending on how you sum that the outcome can vary.

We draw slots to choose draft spots. I am taking the 12.

So outside of your own league, it's 10/18.

 

[The Dude]

So outside of your own league, it's 10/18.

If you know stats, it makes the most sense to remove the 2/2 due to sample size

 

[Deamon]

So outside of your own league, it's 10/18.

If you know stats, it makes the most sense to remove the 2/2 due to sample size

lol if you think it's such a bad draft spot, why did you pick it?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Redraft, 12 team, no keepers

Results of 12th pick teams, last 10 years

• 2023 9-5, 3rd place, lost in 1st round of playoffs (5th place)
• 2022 9-5, 4th place, 2-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2021 4-10, 10th place (FWIW, worst manager in the league by a wide margin)
• 2020 9-4, 1st place, 1st round bye, lost in Championship final
• 2019 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2018 9-4, 2nd place, 1st round bye, 1-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2017 7-6, 5th place, 3-0 in playoffs, won Championship
• 2016 7-6, 5th place, 1-1 playoffs (5th place)
• 2015 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2014 8-6, 5th place, 1-1 to finish 6th in Consolation Bracket

7 winning seasons
6 times made playoffs
1 championship
1 runner up finish
2 consolation bracket wins
9-5 in playoffs
5-1 in consolation bracket
74-60 regular season (.552)
88-66 overall (.571)

Have another decade to look at if I have time.

Pick 12 doesn't seem to be that bad at all from the responses. In fact, it seems on average to be one of the better spots.

I love being 1.10, 1.11 or 1.12

Although this year I'm most comfortable with the middle

 

[Deamon]

Redraft, 12 team, no keepers

Results of 12th pick teams, last 10 years

• 2023 9-5, 3rd place, lost in 1st round of playoffs (5th place)
• 2022 9-5, 4th place, 2-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2021 4-10, 10th place (FWIW, worst manager in the league by a wide margin)
• 2020 9-4, 1st place, 1st round bye, lost in Championship final
• 2019 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2018 9-4, 2nd place, 1st round bye, 1-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2017 7-6, 5th place, 3-0 in playoffs, won Championship
• 2016 7-6, 5th place, 1-1 playoffs (5th place)
• 2015 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2014 8-6, 5th place, 1-1 to finish 6th in Consolation Bracket

7 winning seasons
6 times made playoffs
1 championship
1 runner up finish
2 consolation bracket wins
9-5 in playoffs
5-1 in consolation bracket
74-60 regular season (.552)
88-66 overall (.571)

Have another decade to look at if I have time.

Pick 12 doesn't seem to be that bad at all from the responses. In fact, it seems on average to be one of the better spots.

I love being 1.10, 1.11 or 1.12

Although this year I'm most comfortable with the middle

Good info here, and another example of where the 12th pick is average or above average in making the playoffs.

So far only the OP's league shows it to not be one of the better spots.

 

[The Dude]

Redraft, 12 team, no keepers

Results of 12th pick teams, last 10 years

• 2023 9-5, 3rd place, lost in 1st round of playoffs (5th place)
• 2022 9-5, 4th place, 2-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2021 4-10, 10th place (FWIW, worst manager in the league by a wide margin)
• 2020 9-4, 1st place, 1st round bye, lost in Championship final
• 2019 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2018 9-4, 2nd place, 1st round bye, 1-1 in playoffs (3rd place)
• 2017 7-6, 5th place, 3-0 in playoffs, won Championship
• 2016 7-6, 5th place, 1-1 playoffs (5th place)
• 2015 6-7, 7th place, missed playoffs, won the Consolation Bracket
• 2014 8-6, 5th place, 1-1 to finish 6th in Consolation Bracket

7 winning seasons
6 times made playoffs
1 championship
1 runner up finish
2 consolation bracket wins
9-5 in playoffs
5-1 in consolation bracket
74-60 regular season (.552)
88-66 overall (.571)

Have another decade to look at if I have time.

Pick 12 doesn't seem to be that bad at all from the responses. In fact, it seems on average to be one of the better spots.

I love being 1.10, 1.11 or 1.12

Although this year I'm most comfortable with the middle

Pretty impressive results from the 12

One example of success and my own league having no success and one that was 6 of 14