In Germany, Obama Calls for World To Stand as One (1 Viewer)

[pantagrapher]

what`s wrong with visiting the troops for the pure sake of just visiting? Does this guy do or say ANYTHING that is not 100% scripted, man wake the F up you worshipers. Oh wait, can`t mention, say. question, or even think any thoughts other than he`s the real deal. Hope, faith, change, etc. etc.

This is the best post I've ever read anywhere.

 

[Futility]

I wonder if the Obama haters realize that they're more over-the-top than the Obama fanboys they complain about.

I doubt it.

 

[timschochet]

I wonder if the Obama haters realize that they're more over-the-top than the Obama fanboys they complain about.I doubt it.

I'd say it's about equal, myself.

 

[Futility]

I wonder if the Obama haters realize that they're more over-the-top than the Obama fanboys they complain about.I doubt it.

I'd say it's about equal, myself.

In other threads, maybe. This one has some real gems from haters, though.

 

[Poppa]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

 

[Christo]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.

I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.

But what does going on a trip have to do with foreign policy experience? Isn't that like going on a trip to a farm and claiming you now have experience in animal husbandry?

 

[bakes]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

No matter how genuine the intent, it would come across as a photo-op and nothing more once it hit the press and spin machines.

 

[bakes]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.

I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.

But what does going on a trip have to do with foreign policy experience? Isn't that like going on a trip to a farm and claiming you now have experience in animal husbandry?

Possibly - but at least now he can say he actually saw a cow in person.

 

[Spanky267]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

He could meet with soldiers from Illinois that is something a Senator would do.

 

[Spanky267]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

No matter how genuine the intent, it would come across as a photo-op and nothing more once it hit the press and spin machines.

Well it seems he might get hammered either way. I think I'd rather get hammered for visiting the troops than not visiting.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.

I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.

But what does going on a trip have to do with foreign policy experience? Isn't that like going on a trip to a farm and claiming you now have experience in animal husbandry?

So what really qualifies as foreign policy experience for a Senator?

 

[Brutis]

"John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it,"

 

[Christo]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.

I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.

But what does going on a trip have to do with foreign policy experience? Isn't that like going on a trip to a farm and claiming you now have experience in animal husbandry?

So what really qualifies as foreign policy experience for a Senator?

You tell me. All I know is that I've spent more time overseas than he has.

 

[Poppa]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

He could meet with soldiers from Illinois that is something a Senator would do.

Good one! Agreed..."Obama visits wounded Illini. Ignores other 55 States."

 

[boots11234]

Repeating my post on this issue from another thread:It's actually much better than I thought. First off, I am very grateful that he spent so much time discussing the 60th anniversary of the Berlin Airlift. I started a thread about this event last week; it it IMO the key event of the Cold War, and the greatest ever achievement of the United States Air Force, then still in its infancy. Had I been Obama, I would have spent more time discussing what an amazing innovative technological achievement it was, not for the purpose of patting the USA on the back, but showing how we can solve problems with unforseen solutions when we put our brains to it. But it was excellent of him just to mention it. He also reiterated that the West needs to be united in standing up to terror, and in preventing the spread of nuclear weapons. All to his credit.There were aspects I did not like, and I stated them earlier. But within the context of the entire speech, they are probably insignificant, so I won't repeat them here.I have to say that since Obama has won his party's nomination, I am more and more impressed with him as a candidate. I like his speeches, especially on foreign policy. (Earlier, I loved his speech on race and wrote that in this forum.) If only he were not for big government solutions to issues like health care, he might be a guy I could really get behind. But I just don't like his proposed solutions to our economy, and I also dread the idea of a President, House, and Senate all controlled by the same political party. I voted for Kerry to prevent that in 04, and I will vote for McCain to prevent that now. But my respect for Obama has gone way up.

please post new material, not regurgitated tripe.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

He could meet with soldiers from Illinois that is something a Senator would do.

Good one! Agreed..."Obama visits wounded Illini. Ignores other 55 States."

 

[jbalicki10]

ALL HAIL OBAMA!!!!

Crown'em I say!!!

 

[Spanky267]

Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.

One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

Kinda thinking that visiting maimed troops overseas is Presidential schtick - seriously. President sent 'em there - seems kind of a usurpation of Commander-in-Chief-ness for a Senator to go "visit"...particularly on a campaign trip.

He could meet with soldiers from Illinois that is something a Senator would do.

Good one! Agreed..."Obama visits wounded Illini. Ignores other 55 States."

Well a soldier from Illinois would be one of his constituents.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.

I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.

But what does going on a trip have to do with foreign policy experience? Isn't that like going on a trip to a farm and claiming you now have experience in animal husbandry?

So what really qualifies as foreign policy experience for a Senator?

Getting shot down, imprisoned and tortured.

 

[NCCommish]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying.

And I merely answered your question slugger.

No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.

Prepare to be Obama'd if your comment or question contains or appears to have an ounce of criticism regarding the Chosen One.

 

[tommyboy]

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.

McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.

http://www.gallup.com/video/108691/Obama-M...s-Educated.aspxObama is catching up in the moron-vote dept.

 

[BigRed]

As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this.

lol @ visiting Iraq and making a speech in Germany = "international experience." Well I'm convinced now, Obama is da bomb

This is such a welcome change from all of the politicians who've said that the world should be divided with walls everywhere.

lmaoI mean, racist.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

LINK

BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd in a city that once symbolized division, Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday warned about the dangers of allowing new walls to come between the United States and its allies.

Sen. Barack Obama addresses a large crowd Thursday at the Victory Column in Berlin, Germany.

"People of the world -- look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one," Obama said at Berlin's Victory Column in the Tiergarten park.

"The fall of the Berlin Wall brought new hope. But that very closeness has given rise to new dangers -- dangers that cannot be contained within the borders of a country or by the distance of an ocean," he said.

Obama said people of all nations must stand together to face challenges of the 21st century -- from terrorism to global warming to genocide.

"We cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats or escape responsibility in meeting them," he said.

The greatest danger, Obama said, "is to allow new walls to divide us from one another." Read a transcript of the speech

Obama called on Europeans and Americans to join together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it." Video Watch Obama call for unity »

"If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope," he said.

Obama started his speech by introducing himself as a "proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world."

Police estimated that more than 200,000 people came to watch the speech, according to The Associated Press. Video Watch the crowds wait for Obama »

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Robin Oakley, CNN's European political editor, said Obama enjoyed widespread popularity in Europe.

"He is one of those politicians who reaches parts other politicians don't reach," Oakley said. "After the unpopularity of George W. Bush, the world is waiting to love America again, and many see in Obama, with his youth and his optimism, somebody who can bring that about."

Where is this guy?

 

[timschochet]

What would you do in his shoes, Saints? Be specific, please.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What would you do in his shoes, Saints? Be specific, please.

How about do a repeat of this speech, for one thing?