In hindsight, would it be fair to say Brett Favre's career was (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Hear me out before you call me

For all the records, all the drama, all the MVPs, all the yards, the streak... it's still a TEAM game. Just ask Dan Marino.

When it's all said and done, Favre won just one Super Bowl.

The year after his lone Super Bowl win, the Packers lost the following Super Bowl to Denver despite being 14-point favorites. I'm not blaming him entirely - he actually played well, yet still couldn't get Green Bay in the end zone on the potential game-tying drive.

Then, of course,

after the magical 2009 season. If he simply pulls it down there and gains a few years, Ryan Longwell likely kicks the Vikings into a Super Bowl matchup with the Colts. But "pull it down and gain a few yards" was never how Favre operated. Gunslinger til the end.And I haven't even mentioned the 4 INT performance against Minnesota in the 2004 playoffs and the 6 INT performance against St. Louis in the 2001 playoffs. He had nine playoff games in which he threw at least two interceptions.

So you tell me... would you call this a "satisfying" career? Again, this is not tennis. Football is a team game.

 

[Abraham]

I see him a lot like Bobby cox's braves teams. Great things accomliahed but the feeling he should have cashed one more ring in.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Don't forget 4th and 26.

Signed,

Packer Fan



I loved Favre. 15 years of fun, for better, for worse.

 

[gotexansgo]

How many QBs end there careers with no rings? Your saying he only won 1 Super Bowl like its a terrible thing, fact is for one reason or another Favre will go down as one of the most polarizing QBs in history. While he has his naysayers, what player doesnt, and despite how hs career may have ended with all the drama, he still led a great career and is a no question Hall of Famer. So I guess the real question is how can a guy with a Hall of Fame career be considered a disappointment?

 

[Raider Nation]

I see him a lot like Bobby cox's braves teams. Great things accomliahed but the feeling he should have cashed one more ring in.

YES! Excellent comparison.Also, for all his numbers, is there anyone among us who would list him as a Top-5 All-Time QB? I doubt it.

 

[Abraham]

In his prime, he was one of the best three or four qbs ever.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

could say the same about Peyton Manning, no?

Favre came into the league with a lot less hype and expectations and they both are going to wind up as the most durable and productive QBs of all time. Both with just 1 win and 1 loss in the Super Bowl at this point despite playing on a contender nearly every year since early in their careers.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'm one of the biggest favre haters around and you are nuts. "only one superbowl?" It is a team game as much as we want to laud/fillet the qb every year. Favre is going in the HOF. How can that be a disappointing career.

 

[Raider Nation]

How many QBs end there careers with no rings? Your saying he only won 1 Super Bowl like its a terrible thing, fact is for one reason or another Favre will go down as one of the most polarizing QBs in history. While he has his naysayers, what player doesnt, and despite how hs career may have ended with all the drama, he still led a great career and is a no question Hall of Famer. So I guess the real question is how can a guy with a Hall of Fame career be considered a disappointment?

Honestly, I struggled to find a more appropriate word than disappointing. I agree that word may not be fair.How about an "unfulfilled" career?

 

[Raider Nation]

could say the same about Peyton Manning, no?

Can we let him finish his career? He's got a lot of football left.

 

[dapunisher]

I see him a lot like Bobby cox's braves teams. Great things accomliahed but the feeling he should have cashed one more ring in.

YES! Excellent comparison.Also, for all his numbers, is there anyone among us who would list him as a Top-5 All-Time QB? I doubt it.

Would you assert the same for Peyton if he doesn't get a second ring? That's a really high bar.By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:Rank Player 1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM 12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

could say the same about Peyton Manning, no?

Can we let him finish his career? He's got a lot of football left.

still the best comparison for Favre right now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No.

And the criticism that Favre should have ran for yards and let Longwell kick the winning FG against NO is still very unfair. Favre was gimpy as hell, as a result of having the crap knocked out of him that game, there were Saints there that would have limited the gain, and there is no guarantee that Longwell hits a 50-yard FG. The INT was still bad, but he wasn't running for anything there.

 

[dapunisher]

could say the same about Peyton Manning, no?

Can we let him finish his career? He's got a lot of football left.

Aaron beat me to it while I was formatting that Top 15 table, but Manning isn't winning one this year, and he'll be 35 next year, so I'll take the under on 1 more ring. Not saying that I would be shocked if he won another one, but the odds are against him.

 

[Raider Nation]

By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:Rank Player 1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM 12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Impressive indeed, but keep in mind that Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history. He isn't CLOSE to being the greatest hitter ever.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hear me out before you call me

For all the records, all the drama, all the MVPs, all the yards, the streak... it's still a TEAM game. Just ask Dan Marino.

When it's all said and done, Favre won just one Super Bowl.

The year after his lone Super Bowl win, the Packers lost the following Super Bowl to Denver despite being 14-point favorites. I'm not blaming him entirely - he actually played well, yet still couldn't get Green Bay in the end zone on the potential game-tying drive.

Then, of course,

It's not an unfair question as he certainly could have done more. His career was not perfect by any stretch. But of all the adjectives I could use, I think "disappointing" would be about a million spots down the list. So I'd have to say a definitive "no" when asked if his career was disappointing.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I see him a lot like Bobby cox's braves teams. Great things accomliahed but the feeling he should have cashed one more ring in.

YES! Excellent comparison.Also, for all his numbers, is there anyone among us who would list him as a Top-5 All-Time QB? I doubt it.

Would you assert the same for Peyton if he doesn't get a second ring? That's a really high bar.By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:

Rank Player

1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM

2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia

3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt

4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den

5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM

6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM

7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM

8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM

9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg

10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM

11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM

12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM

13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM

14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM

15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Colts looking pretty impressive with top 2 active all time passing yardage leaders on the roster...J

 

[Joe Bryant]

By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:Rank Player 1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM 12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Impressive indeed, but keep in mind that Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history. He isn't CLOSE to being the greatest hitter ever.

This is interesting. Where do you rank Rose among all time hitters?J

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I would not agree on the following basis:

1) When you look at QB's in the last 40 years, how many have multiple rings?

Bradshaw = 4

Montana = 4

Aikman = 3

Brady = 3

Griese = 2

Staubach = 2

Plunkett = 2

Roethlisberger = 2

Elway = 2

That represents 60% of all SB's right there (and I'm not including Phil Simms who technically has 2).

Point being is that while SB wins are important, I think they do more to cement ones legacy at the QB position rather than define it. I think it would be difficult to argue that some of the QB's on this list should be considered better QB's because they have more SB's.

2) The mark that defines Favre as much as anything is his consecutive games streak. The fact that he suited up no matter what - simply put, I don't think you can measure how great an accomplishment this is for a QB.

3) He has become a legendary figure in the history of the game, warts and all. His 2009 season with MIN will go down in history as one of the most amazing seasons for an NFL player given the circumstances. On top of other moments in his career 'My Dad died 24 hours ago - I'll play and hbe on fire' game, his 1st game coming in for Majkowski and overall, the fact that he lived up to the lore of the Green Bay Packers and came to define the era of perhaps the most storied franchise in the NFL...those things mean something.

I think if you ask yourself the question 'would you think more of Favre's career if he had 2-3 SB's?'...I'm not sure you would say 'heck yeah'. He was in position to win another against DEN...but that didn't happen and he was a bonehead decision away from potentially winning another one at the age of 40 when he put together the best season of his career.

Overall, to me - his legacy will be as revered as any QB in NFL history.

 

[Bull Dozier]

By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:Rank Player 1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM 12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Impressive indeed, but keep in mind that Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history. He isn't CLOSE to being the greatest hitter ever.

This is interesting. Where do you rank Rose among all time hitters?J

I know this wasn't asked of me, but I'm sure I could easily come up with 20 names to put in front of Rose on an all time list.

 

[Raider Nation]

By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:Rank Player 1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM 12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Impressive indeed, but keep in mind that Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history. He isn't CLOSE to being the greatest hitter ever.

This is interesting. Where do you rank Rose among all time hitters?J

I know this wasn't asked of me, but I'm sure I could easily come up with 20 names to put in front of Rose on an all time list.

I could probably come up with 50.But I'm leaving for work. If called on it, I'll do it later.

 

[Reepicheep]

Dissappointing no. I will agree that as a Packer fan after winning XXXI it seemed like a given that Favre would pick up another ring or two before it was all said and done. But the football takes some funny bounces, it really takes a special set of circumstances to win the whole taco.

 

[Norseman]

Don't forget 4th and 26. Signed, Packer Fan I loved Favre. 15 years of fun, for better, for worse.

He wasn't on the field at the time of that play...

 

[TobiasFunke]

By the way, here's the Top 15 Career Passing Yardage Leaders, per Pro Football Reference:

Rank Player

1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM

2. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia

3. Peyton Manning 54,828 1998-2010 clt

4. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den

5. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM

6. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM

7. V. Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM

8. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM

9. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg

10. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM

11. Kerry Collins 40,441 1995-2010 5TM

12. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM

13. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM

14. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM

15. Donovan McNabb 36,250 1999-2010 2TM

Impressive indeed, but keep in mind that Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history. He isn't CLOSE to being the greatest hitter ever.

This is interesting. Where do you rank Rose among all time hitters?J

I know this wasn't asked of me, but I'm sure I could easily come up with 20 names to put in front of Rose on an all time list.

I could probably come up with 50.But I'm leaving for work. If called on it, I'll do it later.

I can come up with 395.

 

[Abraham]

Jeff Bagwell ahead of ARod? Uh, not so muhc...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Jeff Bagwell ahead of ARod? Uh, not so muhc...

Wrong forum, but yeah, they actually are roughly equivalent purely from a hitting perspective. A-Rod's a much much better baseball player because he did it from SS and 3B and played better defense and was a much better baserunner, but just looked at what they did at the dish they're about the same.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Don't forget 4th and 26. Signed, Packer Fan I loved Favre. 15 years of fun, for better, for worse.

He wasn't on the field at the time of that play...

Ok. The 4th and 26 game.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If you're Packers fan, he brought you a title and you were in contention every year. Not disappointing.

If you're a hard-core NFL fan, you saw records shattered and a career of great performances. Not disappointing.

If you're a casual fan, you saw excellent and exciting game play in highlights and on national TV. Not disappointing.

If you hate the Packers, you saw some pretty risky, bone-headed moves. Sometimes they burned you, but other times you got the last laugh on him. Fun to watch and not disappointing.

If you're a Vikings fan, he turned in a fantastic effort for one season that made you a legitimate SB contender. Plus you sparred with him for years. Not disappointing.

The only people who could call Favre disappointing might be Jets fans while he was there, but they've moved on with their own successes and I'm sure they enjoyed Favre's career as a whole.

He didn't win as many Super Bowls as people might have liked but he was fun to watch and you literally had to drag him off the field. He did not go gentle into that good night. Nothing disappointing about his career.

 

[biju]

...snipWhen it's all said and done, Favre won just one Super Bowl....snip

How many QBs have won more than one Super Bowl? Off hand, here's the ones I can think of:Tom BradyJohn ElwayJoe MontanaRoger StaubachTerry BradshawJim PlunkettBart StarrBen RoethlisbergerOf those, two of them didn't win (at least one of) those games as much as their team did. So you're putting a really, really high bar on what is a "disappointing" career from this standpoint. Really, Brett Favre is going to be remembered as one of the greatest QBs to play the game.

 

[B-Deep]

...snipWhen it's all said and done, Favre won just one Super Bowl....snip

How many QBs have won more than one Super Bowl? Off hand, here's the ones I can think of:Tom BradyJohn ElwayJoe MontanaRoger StaubachTerry BradshawJim PlunkettBart StarrBen RoethlisbergerOf those, two of them didn't win (at least one of) those games as much as their team did. So you're putting a really, really high bar on what is a "disappointing" career from this standpoint. Really, Brett Favre is going to be remembered as one of the greatest QBs to play the game.

Aikman!

 

[eakfootball]

Don't forget the 2007 NFC championship

 

[B-Deep]

11 pro bowl

3 consecutive league MVP awards (only person ever)

most completions, attemps, tards, and TDs in NFL history

1 super bowl win

1 other appearance

8 divison titles

5 nfc title games

all from a second round pick

if that is disappointing someone had better hide all pointy objects from Andy Dalton for the rest of his life

 

[B-Deep]

someone should tell Jim Kelly that having only 1 super bowl ring means Favre was a disappointment and see how he reacts.

 

[TobiasFunke]

...snipWhen it's all said and done, Favre won just one Super Bowl....snip

How many QBs have won more than one Super Bowl? Off hand, here's the ones I can think of:Tom BradyJohn ElwayJoe MontanaRoger StaubachTerry BradshawJim PlunkettBart StarrBen RoethlisbergerOf those, two of them didn't win (at least one of) those games as much as their team did. So you're putting a really, really high bar on what is a "disappointing" career from this standpoint. Really, Brett Favre is going to be remembered as one of the greatest QBs to play the game.

It's telling that less than half of these guys would make most people's lists of the best QBs of all time. And one of the three guys on that list that I'd rank among the all-time greats didn't win his first one until his performance and importance was on the downswing. From that list, I'd say only Brady and Montana are guys that would make most Top Ten lists that won multiple Super Bowls in their primes.QB is the most important position on the field, but it's not nearly as important as we often make it out to be.

 

[B-Deep]

Another noteable NFL disappointment:

Don Shula - 33 years and only 2 championships? it took Jimmy Johnson only 9 years to match that

Has a perfect season and still only ranks 9th on winning percentage behind legends such as Blanton Collier and Tommy Hughitt?

all in all, huge disappointment

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

(and I'm not including Phil Simms who technically has 2).

Hey so does Jim McMahon... thanks to Favre. The Packers were mostly bad for a long time before Favre arrived (thankfully before my time as a fan) and of course he didn't turn everything around by himself, but Favre was the biggest difference maker in most games and seasons in GB.

 

[njherdfan]

I see him a lot like Bobby cox's braves teams. Great things accomliahed but the feeling he should have cashed one more ring in.

I always felt this way about the Colts and Manning, especially because they both had the streak of winning their divisions.

 

[pollardsvision]

Not disappointing at all.

He took one of the NFL's most important franchises, one that had been mired in utter futility for a quarter of a century, and brought them back to glory. Other than a few blips, the Packers have been competitive and important since Favre took over. It only resulted in one ring, but I'd hardly call it disappointing.

He was one of the greatest playmakers in NFL history, but also one of the most mistake prone (of the greats).

Because of his propensity for turnovers, he's not a top 5 all-time QB. It's not like he was some unrealized talent. His flaws were simply the other side of what made him great. It's just who he was, for better or for worse. And by better or worse, I mean a hell of alot of better.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Quintessential flawed hero.

The classics are full of them and they predate the NFL by several millenia.

That being said, you gotta realize this was a part-Cajun guy from outside Gulfport who ran the wishbone in high school, was hardly (or not) recruited, ends up at USM, starts at the bottom (beneath) the bench of a long string of QB's, becomes a star - WHY? - to such an extent his coach is hired by LSU (disastrous), nearly dies in a car accident, 6 weeks later leads USM to an upset over ALABAMA, gets drafted by Atlanta (where he does less than nothing) and somehow someway Ron Wolf saw enough in him to trade a 1st round pick for him (why?)(if not for Wolf, does Favre even stay in the NFL?) ..... and you know the rest.

Disappointed? Would you be?

Compare Peyton and Eli Manning - silver spoons all the way, basically born into NFL royalty, and what have they done? Disappointed?

 

[Raider Nation]

I've acknowledged, for the record, that "disappointing" was a poor word choice. But I don't want to edit the subtitle now after the discussion has started.

 

[lynx4ben]

I would not agree on the following basis:1) When you look at QB's in the last 40 years, how many have multiple rings? Bradshaw = 4Montana = 4Aikman = 3Brady = 3Griese = 2Staubach = 2Plunkett = 2Roethlisberger = 2Elway = 2That represents 60% of all SB's right there (and I'm not including Phil Simms who technically has 2). Point being is that while SB wins are important, I think they do more to cement ones legacy at the QB position rather than define it. I think it would be difficult to argue that some of the QB's on this list should be considered better QB's because they have more SB's.2) The mark that defines Favre as much as anything is his consecutive games streak. The fact that he suited up no matter what - simply put, I don't think you can measure how great an accomplishment this is for a QB.3) He has become a legendary figure in the history of the game, warts and all. His 2009 season with MIN will go down in history as one of the most amazing seasons for an NFL player given the circumstances. On top of other moments in his career 'My Dad died 24 hours ago - I'll play and hbe on fire' game, his 1st game coming in for Majkowski and overall, the fact that he lived up to the lore of the Green Bay Packers and came to define the era of perhaps the most storied franchise in the NFL...those things mean something.I think if you ask yourself the question 'would you think more of Favre's career if he had 2-3 SB's?'...I'm not sure you would say 'heck yeah'. He was in position to win another against DEN...but that didn't happen and he was a bonehead decision away from potentially winning another one at the age of 40 when he put together the best season of his career.Overall, to me - his legacy will be as revered as any QB in NFL history.

Interesting stat and more interesting that when you look at numbers you can often draw multiple conclusions.My Take:You noted that those listed QBs accounted for 60% of the Super Bowls. To me that shows that a relatively short list of QBs win Super Bowls and were dominant champions. That short list is also an elite list. I think this illustrates how hard it is to win a SB much less win multiple. My take away is good QBs win Super Bowls and great QBs/leaders win multiple. While there are exceptions for everything (Dilfer, Marino); I definitely feel that a SB victory is significant piece of the argument that defines QBs greatness.I wish Brett would have won one more. He's a great QB but I agree with the original post about him leaving us wanting. I think one more win would have solidfied him as one of the top 2-3 at his position. Without a second SB(and with the many embarrassing finishes) his rank in the top 10 is arguable.

 

[The Dude]

Disappointing is a decent enough word for it. The guy was the face of the NFL - and everybody heaped praise on him - that's what cause me to see the disappointment - the fact that he was built up to be so special - and he's really not.

 

[cubbie5150]

Quintessential flawed hero.The classics are full of them and they predate the NFL by several millenia.That being said, you gotta realize this was a part-Cajun guy from outside Gulfport who ran the wishbone in high school, was hardly (or not) recruited, ends up at USM, starts at the bottom (beneath) the bench of a long string of QB's, becomes a star - WHY? - to such an extent his coach is hired by LSU (disastrous), nearly dies in a car accident, 6 weeks later leads USM to an upset over ALABAMA, gets drafted by Atlanta (where he does less than nothing) and somehow someway Ron Wolf saw enough in him to trade a 1st round pick for him (why?)(if not for Wolf, does Favre even stay in the NFL?) ..... and you know the rest. Disappointed? Would you be?Compare Peyton and Eli Manning - silver spoons all the way, basically born into NFL royalty, and what have they done? Disappointed?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Jeff Bagwell ahead of ARod? Uh, not so muhc...

Wrong forum, but yeah, they actually are roughly equivalent purely from a hitting perspective. A-Rod's a much much better baseball player because he did it from SS and 3B and played better defense and was a much better baserunner, but just looked at what they did at the dish they're about the same.

PEDs and all.

 

[smackdaddies]

Quintessential flawed hero.The classics are full of them and they predate the NFL by several millenia.That being said, you gotta realize this was a part-Cajun guy from outside Gulfport who ran the wishbone in high school, was hardly (or not) recruited, ends up at USM, starts at the bottom (beneath) the bench of a long string of QB's, becomes a star - WHY? - to such an extent his coach is hired by LSU (disastrous), nearly dies in a car accident, 6 weeks later leads USM to an upset over ALABAMA, gets drafted by Atlanta (where he does less than nothing) and somehow someway Ron Wolf saw enough in him to trade a 1st round pick for him (why?)(if not for Wolf, does Favre even stay in the NFL?) ..... and you know the rest. Disappointed? Would you be?Compare Peyton and Eli Manning - silver spoons all the way, basically born into NFL royalty, and what have they done? Disappointed?

I agree but........As a long time Packer fan (I had Bart Stars football card while he was still playing), many fans were hoping for a return of the 60's Packers. And Brett took us there once, and oh so close so many times. So while intellectually you have to say someone is crazy to think he was disappointing, in my gut...a little bit. Disappointed in the things we came close on but just missed. Disappointed that our hero had clay feet. Disappointed that his career ended the way it did. Disappointed it wasn't the 60's redux. I know that doesn't make sense for a fan to be disappointed ....yet....

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

His career would be a lot more disappointing if it didn't end in failure to prevent the Packers from winning another Lombardi.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I thought once Trent "TD" Dilfer won a ring, the whole superbowl ring standard went out the window?

 

[Bri]

I "heard" that you were displeased with the word, but I think it has some bearing. To be disappointed one must have expectations and there were none with Favre.

I can not imagine the NFL the last 20? years without him.

His retirement stuff grew old quick. Strahan would have destroyed him. I always disagreed on that thing. Oh that text pic message...most of this stuff is old Favre.

Young Favre was a gunslinging maniac that ran up and down the field with such character it was polarizing to all football fans. He had little conscience and played the game the way people said it wasn't supposed to be played. Many fans would swear he drew up plays on guys backs or in the dirt while in the huddle. How could you not root for young Favre?

I remember that Monday night where he threw for a zillion yards because he wanted to make his recently deceased father proud.

He went through more than his share of grief and handled it beautifully.

Who can forget those pics of Sharpe's and Morgan's hands because young Favre threw "bullets" at them?

I don't remember Lambeau Leap before him. I don't remember Green Bay being anything other than the other Bay team that always loses.

All the grumblers can have their QB that throws a TD and walks off the field non-chalantly. I love that he got so excited, pumped his fist and ran down hugging the guy that caught it knocking him down in celebration....Favre seemed real, someone you could relate to.

At some point, people switched from fans to finding ways to find fault with him. Maybe you noticed that this future hall of famer went and practiced with high school kids several times. Can you imagine going to that high school? Maybe there was one thread here on that, but 2000 insulting the guy. Sports is sometimes survival of the fittest and I get that, but when remembering his entire career it's just plain silly to only think of the stuff he did when he was older.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Brett Farve's career was legendary, that's the truth. He was one of a kind and will always be the measure of toughness for a QB.

Brett Farve is a NFL legend.

 

[Manster]

its funny, the great ones are held to a higher standard. think about it. we pick apart their games and expect greatness every play.

NOW, some of Favre's mistakes at crucial times cannot be denied. He has cost his team dearly at times. and the drama at the end.............

dude was fun to watch though.