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In this thread I rank my favorite post-Beatles Beatles songs: 291-1. (2 Viewers)
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Morton Muffley
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krista4 said:
Ok, as I mentioned, my process to create my Paul 100 was simply to look at Paul's track listings and assemble my favorites from memory. Tug of Peace was one of maybe 10-12 that when I read the track listing I said "I have no recollection of that song." For nearly ALL of the other 10 or songs I listened to at least the opening minute to re-acquaint myself. But knowing how much I dislike this period/record I did not do this with Tug of Peace.
But with @Pip's Invitation above comment that HE had listened to it...and knowing @krista4 listened to EVERY song multiple times, I thought "how can I call myself Paul fan if I can't remember this song AND if I am reluctant to re-acquaint myself?" And so, I just clicked...
Immediately ALL of it came back to me! I heard the entire song run through my head before the opening stanza was complete. I want to go back to the @Morton Muffley of ten minutes ago. Seriously, why are you people doing this to me?
rockaction
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Sorry, man. Your quote got cut off on my phone. This thread is doing weird things on my computer. This post just auto-posted halfway through. Huh. I'll try not to comment on typos, etc., as they cut off the good discussion going on here. It just looked funny to have a sentence and/or word fragment hanging there so obviously. I shouldn't have even called into question whether I was "pro-Muffley" or not, it's just what I was left with to read, that word fragment of "pro," that is.Morton Muffley said:
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rockaction
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You guys are prolific, for heaven's sake. I tune in and miss two pages replete with wisdom. Read wikkid's thoughts on John passing and can't deny having said the exact same thing when I was actually younger and having meant it. Now I'm not sure we can ever put the cat back in the bag of self-worship, but it sure would be nice to see it a little embarrassed of its own such obvious defecatory opening. (Cat anatomy talk for Mrs. R., who probably won't see this, but does think of cat's buttholes at interesting times.)
krista4
Footballguy
Nah, it wasn't your phone. His post was originally cut off with "pro"...before he edited it.Sorry, man. Your quote got cut off on my phone. This thread is doing weird things on my computer. This post just auto-posted halfway through. Huh. I'll try not to comment on typos, etc., as they cut off the good discussion going on here. It just looked funny to have a sentence and/or word fragment hanging there so obviously. I shouldn't have even called into question whether I was "pro-Muffley" or not, it's just what I was left with to read, that word fragment of "pro," that is.
Can't follow what you're talking about here.
krista4
Footballguy
I'm worse than this. I have a song ON MY PAUL TOP 100 that every time I see the title, I think "what the hell is that?" It's just so generic I forget. Then I listen and think it's great, but it doesn't do enough to remind me, so the next time that I do the same thing. Getting old is neat.
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rockaction
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I'm wishing that consideration for others would once again return to being a primary object of one's being. In a convoluted way, I guess. I think the self has shown us our seamier underbelly. It's time to get back to the sturdier ground of decorum, decency, and thinking about communities and people. That this might have been a Beatles wish later on in life is cool, but somewhat ironic given their role as liberators (John would say messiahs) of all things involved with popular culture.
krista4
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Thanks. Easier to follow than cat buttholes. I agree about the seamier underbelly (or cat butthole, perhaps?) and decency and community. A lot of times when I see people mention these, though, they follow it with a plea for accepting all viewpoints, which I'm not signed on for, at least in terms of accepting racism and such (the "and such" can be the most troublesome line to draw for many, so let's leave it at racism).
krista4
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Mea culpa. I mentioned early in the thread (maybe the first post?) that I would have two albums from which I'd selected every track for my list: the first two records on All Things Must Pass (which are generally counted as the "real" tracks since those on album three are fragments, jams, demos, etc.) and another. But as I went to write up John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band, I realized I did not, as I'd thought, have all tracks from that one on my list. All Things Must Pass retains the sole title. Adjust your cheatsheets accordingly.
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rockaction
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I agree. There is a fine line between community acceptance and relativism, as you implicitly point out, and even things like what constitute racism are difficult to define and standards often confusing to maintain or adhere to.
Relativism has been scorned by thinkers left and right, so this isn't really sociopolitical, but anti-relativistic. I had friends coming out of college who were generally relativists, or had professors they admired that were. This always befuddled me. I thought the good was something we could try to define and achieve, even if we fail, often spectacularly. But there are those that would argue that the first step towards tyranny is trying to define the good and codify it into law.
To bring this back to the Beatles and John, it's been pointed out that "Imagine" is sort of a relativistic song. Nothing to die for? What to live for then, they ask? And so on goes the argument. I think William F. Buckley once immortalized the song in a column. I'll try and find it and link to it and see if it holds water today. I read it. Not sure what he means by the chorus being too subversive for a family paper. Color me shuked. But certainly one need not strain with too much difficulty to hear the strains of relativism there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1990/10/17/no-yoko-i-cant-imagine/adf7c43b-bcaa-4331-8893-9405c1c940f8/
krista4
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I'm in agreement with the bold. I'll save the Buckley for when I've had less booze trying to steel myself for Give My Regards To Broad Street (the steeling hasn't worked). I'm sure I'd read it back when I was devoted to his thoughts in college (far past that now) but don't remember. At the very least I'd want to revisit when we get to Imagine.
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Pip's Invitation
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Pip's Invitation
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If it’s Medicine Jar, go for it.
FYI my highest ranked Neil song without Neil on lead vocal was 57. #68 and some from the 102-204 list also qualified.
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Morton Muffley
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Hmmm. My list already has different rules than yours as I only considered songs on which Paul has writing credit AND sings lead. As such, covers are excluded, Medicine Jar would not pass EITHER criteria (Veronica with Costello is excluded from my list...as is Wings of a Nightingale given to the Everly Bothers). But you make up whatever rules YOU want AND feel free to break 'em. On the latter, ask yourself "what would John do?" and there you will have your answer.
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Shaft41
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I've just caught up on the last three days and it is quite the rollercoaster of emotion. I expected the "Spies Like Us" hate, but the pineapple was unexpected. Reading the writeup about Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey coalesced that my favorite John solo work comes from this late period in his life, which brings me happiness, but then seeing Mark David Chapman's fat face brings me right on down. Seeing the promise of a live blog of GMRTBS excites, but then not actually getting it deflates. Seeing that Paul actually released a song entitled "Tug of Peace" and didn't follow it up with a song called "Pipes of War" is incredibly demoralizing. But, when all hope is lost, I am energized by discussion of cat's buttholes. John's trip to Bermuda has nothing on this thread.
Shaft41
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Oh, and I've decided that I will here and forthwith be a bigger Jeff Lynne fan. I realized reading about him, that, while I haven't heard a ton of ELO music, I think I've like pretty much everything I've heard. I heard "Rock and Roll is King" a week or so ago for probably the first time in 35 years, and it brought back some fond memories of LOVING that song when I was a kid, and I was head bobbing right along with it once again. The hair holds me back, but I'm a fan, Jeff.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
krista4
Footballguy
Oh yes, we’ll have very different top 100s. I wouldn’t consider Veronica, but I see a Wings song without Paul on lead differently, since it was his band. If he wrote a song and played/sang on it with Wings, then I considered it even if he’s not lead vocal.
I definitely include covers, since they were such a key part of the Beatles early output, and Paul coming back to them for (almost) three full albums shows how important they were to him. Songs that someone else wrote and Paul sings are a closer call, but I do have a couple more of those; I just won’t rank them as highly since he didn’t write them.
I already had my own answer, of course; I was just drunkenly musing.
Speaking of covers, those are on tap today, but I’m currently stuck under a cat and can’t get to my computer.
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krista4
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Pip's Invitation
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Paul has written so many songs that I am surprised he hasn't come up with Pipes of War yet. Or anything about cats' buttholes.
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krista4
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He has both. I'm sure of it. The guy writes ~527 songs a day.
krista4
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Oops, I misremembered. Before we get to a cover, we have...Ringo!
231. Write One For Me (Ringo Rama, 2003) Spotify YouTube
(Ringo #19)
It’s our second song from Ringo’s well-received Ringo Rama, and shockingly it is not our last! On this one, there’s just one thing for me to say:
STICK WITH IT!!!
You’re going to start listening and think, “WTF this is just a typical nice Ringo pop song with mediocre vocal. WHY OH WHY am I listening?”
TRUST ME!!!
Something happens at 1:05 that makes it worth listening. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I’m bopping my head around to it right now and very happy.
231. Write One For Me (Ringo Rama, 2003) Spotify YouTube
(Ringo #19)
It’s our second song from Ringo’s well-received Ringo Rama, and shockingly it is not our last! On this one, there’s just one thing for me to say:
STICK WITH IT!!!
You’re going to start listening and think, “WTF this is just a typical nice Ringo pop song with mediocre vocal. WHY OH WHY am I listening?”
TRUST ME!!!
Something happens at 1:05 that makes it worth listening. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I’m bopping my head around to it right now and very happy.
krista4
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---INTERLUDE – Kisses On The Bottom (2012)---
Ahhhhh, we’ve made it here, to Paul’s most unfortunately titled album (even worse than NEW). Paul says it’s a reference to lipstick prints on the bottom of a love letter, which was ever a thing? I guess it’s a double-entendre, and a creepy one. I’m NOT going to discuss septeguanarian sex again, no matter how much you beg.
Kisses On The Bottom is a lovely collection of covers of old pop standards, with two original compositions thrown in as well. It originated with Paul’s playing around for a week in the studio with jazz producer Tommy LiPuma, trying out some original Paul compositions as well as the great American songbook. The recording process harkened back to some of the old Beatles process, in this instance going into the studio with Diana Krall and her band, armed only with sheet music and a vague idea of what would happen, and just recording live on the spot.
Unlike most Paul records, on this he played only acoustic guitar, and even that only on two tracks, depending instead on Krall’s fabulous jazz band and focusing only on his vocals. And therein lies the problem for me… If Paul had recorded this album in the 80s or even the 90s, I might have loved it. But at this point, his voice was just not up for these songs, even as well-curated as they were. He seems to have taken the vocals down into a lower range than they were originally intended, and that does neither him nor the songs any favors. To me, he simply doesn’t sound that great on these, as much love as he might croon into them.
Critical reception to this record was mixed, but it hit #5 on the US charts and won the Grammy for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album, so what the hell do I know.
Since I’m on the subject of covers of standards, I wanted to mention a record that will not have any selections on my list: Ringo’s Sentimental Journey (1970), which was most notable for being the first album of conventional songs released by an ex-Beatle, preceding McCartney by three weeks. Ringo wanted to put together a record of the songs his mom loved the most, and he had input from excellent co-arrangers, including Paul, George Martin, Klaus Voormann, Quincy Jones, and the Bee Gees! Unfortunately the album doesn’t score any selections on my list due to…yeah, Ringo’s vocal. His voice really is much more suitable for a different type of song. Despite being fairly savaged by critics, the record reached #22 in the US and went Gold, undoubtedly in large part due to pent-up Beatle excitement for the first solo record from any of them. If you’re interested in a taste, my favorite is “Bye Bye Blackbird”…but compare it to Paul’s superior version when he was nearing 70 years old.
Cover art is a photo by Paul and Linda’s daughter Mary.
Track listing:
Ahhhhh, we’ve made it here, to Paul’s most unfortunately titled album (even worse than NEW). Paul says it’s a reference to lipstick prints on the bottom of a love letter, which was ever a thing? I guess it’s a double-entendre, and a creepy one. I’m NOT going to discuss septeguanarian sex again, no matter how much you beg.
Kisses On The Bottom is a lovely collection of covers of old pop standards, with two original compositions thrown in as well. It originated with Paul’s playing around for a week in the studio with jazz producer Tommy LiPuma, trying out some original Paul compositions as well as the great American songbook. The recording process harkened back to some of the old Beatles process, in this instance going into the studio with Diana Krall and her band, armed only with sheet music and a vague idea of what would happen, and just recording live on the spot.
Unlike most Paul records, on this he played only acoustic guitar, and even that only on two tracks, depending instead on Krall’s fabulous jazz band and focusing only on his vocals. And therein lies the problem for me… If Paul had recorded this album in the 80s or even the 90s, I might have loved it. But at this point, his voice was just not up for these songs, even as well-curated as they were. He seems to have taken the vocals down into a lower range than they were originally intended, and that does neither him nor the songs any favors. To me, he simply doesn’t sound that great on these, as much love as he might croon into them.
Critical reception to this record was mixed, but it hit #5 on the US charts and won the Grammy for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album, so what the hell do I know.
Since I’m on the subject of covers of standards, I wanted to mention a record that will not have any selections on my list: Ringo’s Sentimental Journey (1970), which was most notable for being the first album of conventional songs released by an ex-Beatle, preceding McCartney by three weeks. Ringo wanted to put together a record of the songs his mom loved the most, and he had input from excellent co-arrangers, including Paul, George Martin, Klaus Voormann, Quincy Jones, and the Bee Gees! Unfortunately the album doesn’t score any selections on my list due to…yeah, Ringo’s vocal. His voice really is much more suitable for a different type of song. Despite being fairly savaged by critics, the record reached #22 in the US and went Gold, undoubtedly in large part due to pent-up Beatle excitement for the first solo record from any of them. If you’re interested in a taste, my favorite is “Bye Bye Blackbird”…but compare it to Paul’s superior version when he was nearing 70 years old.
Cover art is a photo by Paul and Linda’s daughter Mary.
Track listing:
- I’m Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter
- Home (When Shadows Fall)
- It’s Only A Paper Moon
- More I Cannot Wish You
- The Glory Of Love
- We Three (My Echo, My Shadow and Me)
- Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate The Positive
- My Valentine
- Always
- My Very Good Friend The Milkman
- Bye Bye Blackbird
- Get Yourself Another Fool
- The Inch Worm
- Only Our Hearts
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It was a thing in old movies and cartoons. In old real life? No idea.
My Very Good Friend the Milkman sounds like the title of one of... those... movies.
(nudge nudge! Say no more!)
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
the two most tried & true saws in my early days of internet arguing were "at heart, most Americans are conservative until their own are taken care of, then as liberal as they can afford to be" and "tis time to make tolerance a part of decency and, in turn, decency a part of tolerance". i fronted both axioms regularly in the first decade of this century. they're already both so obsolete to be considered quaint now, like spats & Postum
krista4
Footballguy
230. Get Yourself Another Fool (Kisses On The Bottom, 2012) Spotify YouTube
(Paul #109)
Since, as explained above, I’m not a huge fan of this album, I’m only going to select one of the covers for inclusion on my list (the two originals are evaluated differently). I think this is the best of the standards, and if this is your jam, check out more of the record. The band is fabulous, and Paul means it when he’s singing. On this one, even though it’s my “best of the bunch,” I always find his vocal just a little bit ahead of where I want him, which is kind of distracting. Love the guitar part.
If interested in more, my second favorite is “The Inch Worm.”
(Paul #109)
Since, as explained above, I’m not a huge fan of this album, I’m only going to select one of the covers for inclusion on my list (the two originals are evaluated differently). I think this is the best of the standards, and if this is your jam, check out more of the record. The band is fabulous, and Paul means it when he’s singing. On this one, even though it’s my “best of the bunch,” I always find his vocal just a little bit ahead of where I want him, which is kind of distracting. Love the guitar part.
If interested in more, my second favorite is “The Inch Worm.”
krista4
Footballguy
229. Only You (And You Alone) (Goodnight Vienna, 1974) Spotify YouTube
(Ringo #18)
Ringo recorded this cover of the Buck Ram song (first recorded in 1954 by The Platters) as the suggestion of John, who played acoustic guitar and provided a guide vocal here, with Harry Nilsson on backing vocals. John’s version was also released in the Anthology series. This version was released as a single and hit #6 on the US charts. I don’t have it higher because I never much cared for the original version. My favorite part of this song is the hilariously sincere spoken-word part in the middle. An equally hilarious music video with Harry Nilsson was shot for this song.
(Ringo #18)
Ringo recorded this cover of the Buck Ram song (first recorded in 1954 by The Platters) as the suggestion of John, who played acoustic guitar and provided a guide vocal here, with Harry Nilsson on backing vocals. John’s version was also released in the Anthology series. This version was released as a single and hit #6 on the US charts. I don’t have it higher because I never much cared for the original version. My favorite part of this song is the hilariously sincere spoken-word part in the middle. An equally hilarious music video with Harry Nilsson was shot for this song.
Shaft41
Footballguy
This is good stuff. The older I get, the more I appreciate the heck out of songs like this. Maybe I should have clicked on the Spotify link though, because watching the video, I was too distracted by the guitarist who looked like Richard Harris constantly looking like he forgot where he left his Metamucil.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Ringo Rama??? Seriously,
I'm trying real hard to not be a wet blanket here.
I think I will just move on to the next songs on the list and hope there is no Ringotastic album.
simey
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simey
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Pip's Invitation
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Pip's Invitation
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Not my kind of music, but this song is well done. It's bluesier than this sort of thing tends to be, which suits Paul well.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
This song is usually performed with a grandiose, demonstrative vocal, so it's interesting to see a much different approach -- which was the right choice because big demonstrative vocals aren't Ringo's thing. It's a pleasant shuffle.
Pip's Invitation
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Shaft41
Footballguy
I think I'm supposed to be ashamed that I didn't know that was Joe Walsh, but I choose not to be.
krista4
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Pip's Invitation
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krista4
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Binky The Doormat
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Binky The Doormat
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jwb
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simey
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Shaft41
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krista4
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228. Stand By Me (Rock ‘n’ Roll, 1975) Spotify YouTube
(John #43)
Let’s continue yesterday’s discussion of covers with this one that had a lot of chatter earlier, positive and negative. I fall in the middle, but probably for an unexpected reason: I don’t much like the original version. Oh noes! I dunno, just never did much for me. As a result, I’m not bothered by the John cover, as I don’t consider it blasphemy. I like John’s passionate vocal and phrasing on it, but would have toned down the reverb a bit on everything.
The Beatles apparently liked this one a lot; in addition to John’s cover, which reached #20 on the US charts, the Beatles had played it during the Let It Be sessions, and John and Paul (along with, among others, Stevie Wonder and Harry Nilsson) sang it three times during their time together at John’s Santa Monica beach house in 1974, later to be bootlegged as A Toot And A Snore In ’74. This was also one of the three songs John sang during “A Salute to Lew Grade,” which I’ve previously discussed as John’s final scheduled public performance; there appears only to be poor-quality audio of that one but no video. He also did this live performance shortly before that and shouted out to Julian during the song.
I’ll let you guys fight it out on this one.
(John #43)
Let’s continue yesterday’s discussion of covers with this one that had a lot of chatter earlier, positive and negative. I fall in the middle, but probably for an unexpected reason: I don’t much like the original version. Oh noes! I dunno, just never did much for me. As a result, I’m not bothered by the John cover, as I don’t consider it blasphemy. I like John’s passionate vocal and phrasing on it, but would have toned down the reverb a bit on everything.
The Beatles apparently liked this one a lot; in addition to John’s cover, which reached #20 on the US charts, the Beatles had played it during the Let It Be sessions, and John and Paul (along with, among others, Stevie Wonder and Harry Nilsson) sang it three times during their time together at John’s Santa Monica beach house in 1974, later to be bootlegged as A Toot And A Snore In ’74. This was also one of the three songs John sang during “A Salute to Lew Grade,” which I’ve previously discussed as John’s final scheduled public performance; there appears only to be poor-quality audio of that one but no video. He also did this live performance shortly before that and shouted out to Julian during the song.
I’ll let you guys fight it out on this one.
