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In this thread I rank my favorite post-Beatles Beatles songs: 291-1. (1 Viewer)
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krista4
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simey
Footballguy
I was kidding. Someone had joked before that you were making things up as you went along, and so your new revelation fit the "making it up as you go along thing" and with that the contest could be perceived as sketchy, but it's not cause you were just being honest. That's all.
krista4
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krista4
Footballguy
Yeah, that makes no sense, since I'm committed to giving out money to charity in any case whoever "wins," but all right. Should I not because it's "sketchy" in some sense? That's cool with me. I could stand to keep it since I'm trying to buy a new house.
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simey
Footballguy
It was a joke. I was not being serious at all. It's not sketchy. Forget I said anything. I'm sorry for the confusion.
krista4
Footballguy
I didn't expect someone to question my integrity at all, let alone when I'm trying to give money to charity. It's definitely confusing.
krista4
Footballguy
On another front, I had a really funny conversation that I can't relay yet, but it relates to something I bought today for a bunch of you. I decided to purchase something of nominal value ($10!) for anyone who had been participating here. But you have to be willing to send me your contact info so I can ship to you. Totally get if you want to remain anonymous instead! But anyone who wants to send contact info will get this item, plus a pie of your previously expressed preference (if you expressed one).
Hopefully that won't seem sketchy but participate if you wish!
Hopefully that won't seem sketchy but participate if you wish!
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simey
Footballguy
I wasn't questioning your integrity at all. Why would I do that? I was kidding with you. I thought you had changed your #1 pick for one of the Beatles. Someone had joked previously saying you were making things up as you went along (which they were kidding cause you were changing around orders), and so i was kidding about the contest being sketchy cause of the change up of #1 for one of the guys (but you said the original would still stand in the contest). I was kidding as if you were making it up as you went along. I was going with that theme. It was a harmless joke, and clearly a bad one. I'm sorry you took it wrong. I will keep my bad jokes to myself. Again, I'm sorry.
krista4
Footballguy
Ok, I appreciate the replies. Knowing you, I'm certain you couldn't have meant anything bad since you're the nicest person around, but it really came across weird to me. Just a misunderstanding.
ETA: And sorry if I misunderstood you.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Love it. Fantastic. Never heard it before, but I don’t find it too mean at all. Reminds me of Positively 4th Street - not the sound, but the brutal honesty. Note that I have zero idea what this song is about.
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Alex P Keaton
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Excellent decision. Let It Down has a really cool sound. I don’t even know how to describe it - too massively overtired from working a 16-hour day.
Wah-Wah to me is just complete crap. I literally can’t listen to it.
krista4
Footballguy
That's a good comparison. I really like the sound of this song, especially how jaunty it is, like I said, compared to the meaning of the lyrics. But sometimes it just is too much for me. Obviously not often enough to take it out of my John top 20, but sometimes...
WOOT! Well, except the complete crap part. Heavenly George is sad.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Both would be much higher for me. I think the cacophony is what I most enjoy about Wah-Wah.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think that just shows you’re a bigger fan and dive deeper into the catalog - as long as it happens organically and not by design.I've thought this for quite a while, btw. Was just too embarrassed to mention.It's really hard to admit your favorite is not a "known" song at all, especially when people whine about their favorites not being at the top.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Honestly, myself included, everyone seems to get triggered very easily now. The combination of Covid and the circus that passes for politics presently has everyone on more of an edge than usual. I also know going through the processes of buying a new home is pretty stressful as well.
I think it's safe to say you have no enemies in this thread.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
don't sweat itI've written up three different songs this morning and then changed my mind. So much for the re-ordering I did.
you'll feel differently tomorrow about them
krista4
Footballguy
85. John Lennon and Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band - Oh My Love (Imagine, 1971) Spotify YouTube
(John #18)
Such a beautiful song, with a painfully delicate John vocal that is one of his best performances in my opinion. George's guitar work is likewise appropriately gentle, as are the two piano parts by Nicky Hopkins and John. Lovely. The fact it's about Yoko makes me gag a bit, though.
UP NEXT: a song not about Yoko (in other words, I have no idea)
(John #18)
Such a beautiful song, with a painfully delicate John vocal that is one of his best performances in my opinion. George's guitar work is likewise appropriately gentle, as are the two piano parts by Nicky Hopkins and John. Lovely. The fact it's about Yoko makes me gag a bit, though.
UP NEXT: a song not about Yoko (in other words, I have no idea)
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krista4
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Shaft41
Footballguy
Chris Carter played it this morning on Breakfast. Hadn't heard it on the channel before either.
Shaft41
Footballguy
This whole "having to work" thing is seriously screwing up my enjoyment of this thread. I haven't been able to listen to the last half-dozen or so songs, even though I've (gasp!) read all the posts.
As an aside that literally no one cares about, I play in an online trivia league and one of the questions today was "Of the 30 or so #1 songs that the Beatles had in the U.S., U.K, or both, which is the only one in which none of the members of the band played instruments?" I'm not sure I would have known that for sure before the Beatles thread, and I'm sure everyone here knows it immediately, but I was happy to now know it with assurance. It will be interesting to see how much of the "general population" knows it, as opposed to this here Beatles inner circle with our fearless leader who gets freaking text messages from Sir Paul himself.
As an aside that literally no one cares about, I play in an online trivia league and one of the questions today was "Of the 30 or so #1 songs that the Beatles had in the U.S., U.K, or both, which is the only one in which none of the members of the band played instruments?" I'm not sure I would have known that for sure before the Beatles thread, and I'm sure everyone here knows it immediately, but I was happy to now know it with assurance. It will be interesting to see how much of the "general population" knows it, as opposed to this here Beatles inner circle with our fearless leader who gets freaking text messages from Sir Paul himself.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Shaft41
Footballguy
To make it better for you, I went back and looked at the exact wording of the question. It actually said "Of the nearly 30 singles the Beatles took to #1...." I was attempting to paraphrase.I care!As another sign of how on edge I am, I am unreasonably irritated by the wording of that question to say "or so" - such laziness!
Sorry about work. Such a drag.
krista4
Footballguy
84. If Not For You (All Things Must Pass, 1970) Spotify YouTube
(George #26)
If Not For Being A Cover… If this weren’t a cover it would be materially higher, but I’ve decided to semi-adhere to my own made-up rules and dock it as I did the other covers. This is one of the songs from ATMP that did not get the full Spector treatment, which allows the shimmering slide guitars and George’s sweet vocal to shine through. The drummer for this session, Alan White, later stated that John Lennon had played one of the guitar parts, but that seems to have been debunked by others in the studio, who claimed that John only showed up and had a short conversation before leaving.
This song, though not this version, is notable for being the first known recorded use of the slide guitar by George, who attempt several versions of this song with Dylan during the latter’s New Morning sessions. One of those takes eventually made its way onto The Bootleg Series (Rare and Unreleased) 1961-1991. Both that version (which is clearly unfinished) and Dylan’s released version on New Morning, differ significantly from the ATMP release. I prefer the light and lovely sound of George’s release, which is admittedly more of a pop confection than Dylan’s. As Pip has alluded to a couple of times, George also performed a version of this song at “Bobfest”; I think he looks and sounds a bit terrified at first.
UP NEXT: a 2005 song from...George?
(George #26)
If Not For Being A Cover… If this weren’t a cover it would be materially higher, but I’ve decided to semi-adhere to my own made-up rules and dock it as I did the other covers. This is one of the songs from ATMP that did not get the full Spector treatment, which allows the shimmering slide guitars and George’s sweet vocal to shine through. The drummer for this session, Alan White, later stated that John Lennon had played one of the guitar parts, but that seems to have been debunked by others in the studio, who claimed that John only showed up and had a short conversation before leaving.
This song, though not this version, is notable for being the first known recorded use of the slide guitar by George, who attempt several versions of this song with Dylan during the latter’s New Morning sessions. One of those takes eventually made its way onto The Bootleg Series (Rare and Unreleased) 1961-1991. Both that version (which is clearly unfinished) and Dylan’s released version on New Morning, differ significantly from the ATMP release. I prefer the light and lovely sound of George’s release, which is admittedly more of a pop confection than Dylan’s. As Pip has alluded to a couple of times, George also performed a version of this song at “Bobfest”; I think he looks and sounds a bit terrified at first.
UP NEXT: a 2005 song from...George?
krista4
Footballguy
83. Friends To Go (Chaos And Creation In The Backyard, 2005) Spotify YouTube
(Paul #38)
Paul claims that he was channeling the spirit of George for this song, even going so far as to say he (Paul) didn’t even write it: “The funny thing about it was I felt as if I was almost George Harrison during the writing of that song…I just got this feeling, this is George. So it was like I was writing - I was like George - writing one of his songs. So I just wrote it, it just wrote itself very easily 'cause it wasn't even me writing it.“ Paul also claimed not to know what the song was about, since he didn’t write it.
To me, the song really does strongly channel George, particularly in the chord progressions and in the lyrics, which have that George-like combo of irreverence while harkening to a greater meaning. Paul identified the following, which also happen to be my favorite lines, as particularly George-inspired: “It was funny particularly the second verse: 'I've been sliding down a slippy slope, I've been climbing up a slowly burning rope.' I just thought - it's a George song.” Paul adds some great guitar work and even a flugelhorn; this is one of the songs where Paul plays every instrument. This song feels to me a perfect combination of the lyrical content and guitar parts that George would write, together with a solid bass line and fantastic melody that would come from Paul. Wonderful tribute.
UP NEXT: another Paul collaboration
(Paul #38)
Paul claims that he was channeling the spirit of George for this song, even going so far as to say he (Paul) didn’t even write it: “The funny thing about it was I felt as if I was almost George Harrison during the writing of that song…I just got this feeling, this is George. So it was like I was writing - I was like George - writing one of his songs. So I just wrote it, it just wrote itself very easily 'cause it wasn't even me writing it.“ Paul also claimed not to know what the song was about, since he didn’t write it.
To me, the song really does strongly channel George, particularly in the chord progressions and in the lyrics, which have that George-like combo of irreverence while harkening to a greater meaning. Paul identified the following, which also happen to be my favorite lines, as particularly George-inspired: “It was funny particularly the second verse: 'I've been sliding down a slippy slope, I've been climbing up a slowly burning rope.' I just thought - it's a George song.” Paul adds some great guitar work and even a flugelhorn; this is one of the songs where Paul plays every instrument. This song feels to me a perfect combination of the lyrical content and guitar parts that George would write, together with a solid bass line and fantastic melody that would come from Paul. Wonderful tribute.
UP NEXT: another Paul collaboration
heckmanm
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krista4
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krista4
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I've written up all three for tomorrow, so I won't be changing them. Right? Right???
I have seven Paul, five George, and two John that I will clear out before we get to the next Ringo. Or maybe even more. Though I'm still changing my mind on specific order, I do have each Beatle's songs in groupings now so that I have to post each one in the group before I move onto the next group. Only 82 to go!
I have seven Paul, five George, and two John that I will clear out before we get to the next Ringo. Or maybe even more. Though I'm still changing my mind on specific order, I do have each Beatle's songs in groupings now so that I have to post each one in the group before I move onto the next group. Only 82 to go!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Pleasant with nice slide guitar. Would not rank it above Wah Wah.
This also has nice slide guitar. The words veer toward slogans as much as lyrics.
The old-man vocals work effectively here. Obviously the nostalgic nature of the lyrics helps there. Very touching.
More nostalgia, and I love the melody and guitar parts on this one.
This is the hippie version of "old timey" music. I'd expect this more on a Country Joe and the Fish record. But as you noted, it's odd to pair such skiffle-riffic music with such depressing lyrics. John was full of contradictions.
I love the guitars on this and the angry George lyrics. The mix is not good and yes, Phil Spector threw too much in.
Sensitive indie rockers have been trying to emulate this since 1999 or so.
Yep, this is the best cover that appears on a solo Beatles record. It fits in so well with the rest of the album that it's not at all surprising you forgot it was a cover.
Everything flows together so well, and I love the little shuffle the drums are doing (is that Jim Gordon?) Pleasant but nothing that really grabbed me.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I had a really long day at work -- FDA advisory panel hearings over Microsoft Teams that run 90 minutes over are just torture -- so I'm exhausted and that wasn't my most inspired commentary. I'll do better next time.
krista4
Footballguy
I loved it! Was just about to comment I was happy to see you back with the song-by-song commentary. One thing you didn't do as much in those, which you are great at, is connecting them to other similar sounds or similar songs. That's not a complaint but a compliment on how terrific your historical knowledge is.
krista4
Footballguy
"Stuck Inside A Cloud" sometimes makes me cry due to the lyrics, so that's why it's preferable to me.Pleasant with nice slide guitar. Would not rank it above Wah Wah.
Sensitive indie rockers have been trying to emulate this since 1999 or so.
Yep, this is the best cover that appears on a solo Beatles record. It fits in so well with the rest of the album that it's not at all surprising you forgot it was a cover.
Love the comment on "Oh My Love" - so true!
Alan White on drums. I think I mentioned it in my write-up, but I'm not sure since I didn't read it.
ETA: White is a cipher to me - sometimes brilliant and sometimes pedestrian.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I found something on the two John songs but otherwise nothing jumped out at me. That's probably the exhaustion.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Bring it on!Also, I figure since I've already gone unreasonably upset at two of the nicest people in the thread, simey and Pip, I should target Shaft or Morton next.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
When I do the multiquote thing, I take it from the list on the first page and am not reading the writeups while I'm doing it. Sometimes I remember stuff from them, sometimes I don't.
I mostly know White from Yes, which is very different from what he was doing here.
krista4
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krista4
Footballguy
Yes, I don't listen to Yes willingly, so I don't know his stuff. On ATMP, sometimes I think he's great and sometimes just long for Ringo and Jim Gordon. Well, I always long for Ringo and Jim Gordon anyway - two drummers whose styles are so different and I love both so freaking much.
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Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Yeah, I figured that'd be the tack you'd take (or is it "tact"...am so uncertain now since you showed me it's deep-seated and not deep-seeded...ugh!). Well whichever it is, I knew you'd start there, jerkier-face
krista4
Footballguy
Wouldn't you like to know, jerkiest face?
I feel like this battle is going well, not just for us, but for everyone who has to read our posts.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Fun Alan White fact:
Yes and Led Zeppelin broke up around the same time. From Yes, Steve Howe and Geoff Downes teamed up to form Asia, and Trevor Horn decided to become a producer full-time, leaving White and bassist Chris Squire without immediate plans (Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman had left two years before). Also without immediate plans after John Bonham's death were Robert Plant and Jimmy Page. The four of them got together with the idea of forming a supergroup, which they planned to call XYZ (standing for ex Yes and Zeppelin). But it never got off the ground. I'm sure the ego clashes would have been massive.
Squire and White eventually formed a band called Cinema with South African guitarist Trevor Rabin and original Yes keyboardist Tony Kaye. Early in their sessions, the label asked them to give Jon Anderson a call with the idea of doing the songs with him under the Yes name. Which they did, reluctantly, but the commercial payoff ended up being huge.
Yes and Led Zeppelin broke up around the same time. From Yes, Steve Howe and Geoff Downes teamed up to form Asia, and Trevor Horn decided to become a producer full-time, leaving White and bassist Chris Squire without immediate plans (Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman had left two years before). Also without immediate plans after John Bonham's death were Robert Plant and Jimmy Page. The four of them got together with the idea of forming a supergroup, which they planned to call XYZ (standing for ex Yes and Zeppelin). But it never got off the ground. I'm sure the ego clashes would have been massive.
Squire and White eventually formed a band called Cinema with South African guitarist Trevor Rabin and original Yes keyboardist Tony Kaye. Early in their sessions, the label asked them to give Jon Anderson a call with the idea of doing the songs with him under the Yes name. Which they did, reluctantly, but the commercial payoff ended up being huge.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Not since the height of the East Coast-West Coast gangsta rap rivalries have I been so riveted by dissings.Wouldn't you like to know, jerkiest face?
I feel like this battle is going well, not just for us, but for everyone who has to read our posts.
