Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Incognito - Martin texts - Miami Dolphins fiasco (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter kentric
- Start date
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
You're misremembering. Martin sent Incognito that meme, and that's what the press reported.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Worst.Thread.EverETA: 2nd worst... We can combine everything of Geezil and DSP for number 1...
Last edited by a moderator:
KCitons
Footballguy
What news. If we waited for actual news, the thread would be 30 pages deep and someone would have started a new one.
Didn't realize you were a thread police Slapdash. But, keep calling me out, and I will make sure I muck up every thread you ever post in.
KCitons
Footballguy
kentric
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
LinusMarr
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
You stalking me too?Pretty sure you do this with every thread already
Last edited by a moderator:
Zow
Footballguy
I'm not. I just thought your entire post went without saying. I also didn't feel any stupider for having read that because it was as dumb as I anticipated.
Zow
Footballguy
so awesomely cringe-worthy
Jutz
Footballguy
My sister figured it out. She told me she thinks the two were lovers. If you read the texts they talk about places with a lot of dudes, and how they couldn't seal the deal with the wimmens. Given how everyone can see that Martin over reacted, I think the lover's quarrel fits. Of course they can't come out and say it, but after seeing how these texts are such a non story I'm thinking my sister is right.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Last edited by a moderator:
KCitons
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Looks like the report is completed - and it does NOT look good for Richie nor the 'Fins.
ESPN Article on Initial Findings
While a lot of us may have jumped the gun a bit by assuming an ####### the likes of Incognito was likely guilty, I have to admit that as more information came out, it really appeared the it was a two way street and that while things went to far, Martin was certainly culpable to a good degree.
It now appears that what culpability Martin had (at least at first blush with the limited new info) was really done so more out of "trying to fit in" and fear of additional retribution than anything else.
Now, could Martin have handled it better? Likely. Should he have "stood up" or not continued the trading of barbs and texts? Probably. But it's a LOT easier said than done for a kid that was trying to make it in the NFL in a very intimidating and competitive environment.
ESPN Article on Initial Findings
While a lot of us may have jumped the gun a bit by assuming an ####### the likes of Incognito was likely guilty, I have to admit that as more information came out, it really appeared the it was a two way street and that while things went to far, Martin was certainly culpable to a good degree.
It now appears that what culpability Martin had (at least at first blush with the limited new info) was really done so more out of "trying to fit in" and fear of additional retribution than anything else.
Now, could Martin have handled it better? Likely. Should he have "stood up" or not continued the trading of barbs and texts? Probably. But it's a LOT easier said than done for a kid that was trying to make it in the NFL in a very intimidating and competitive environment.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I'm not sure about what's in the "book" they're talking about, but I did read the texts, including the one about Martin's mother and sister. Martin made similar comments to Richie. ESPN has no credibility with me in regards to this story. They ran with it from the start, even when the texts (at least in my mind) appeared to show Martin and Richie had a pretty good relationship. They took things completely out of context.
#FreeIncognito
#FreeIncognito
HellToupee
Footballguy
+ Incognito was honorary
HellToupee
Footballguy
Don't let the bastards get you down
Koya
Footballguy
That is where I was beginning to go, however it seems that there was a pattern of harassment that, regardless of Martin's skin thickness, was simply beyond the pale. In addition, the report suggests that Martin's continued texting etc. was done so because he felt there was no other way out, and maybe that was him "trying" to have a thick skin, even though he was being harassed.
It's easy to just say Man up, but it's also foolish not to at least try to understand the position of being a rookie and feeling that you better go along with the games or it's going to get worse... and worse could be a pretty damned scary place with this environment.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
KCitons channeling his inner Jonathan Martin here too?
TheMagus
Footballguy
I read every last one of those texts and I just don't think they support this argument. There were many occasions where Martin was the one actually at the brothel, that posed as a strip club, texting Incognito to come meet him. All the back and forth seemed like normal banter between good friends. However, if you take a couple of those comments and completely disconnect them from the context of the conversation, it makes it look like it was harassment.
For instance. If I sent my buddy a text saying "I'm going to destroy you tomorrow" that could look like a threat, right? But the conversation actually went: - Are we playing hoops this weekend? - Yep. Put your big girl panties on this time ok? - I'm going to destroy you tomorrow. That's a whole different conversation, isn't it? This may not be the best of examples, but you get it, right?
One of the comments that was quoted in the media that seemed like racial harassment failed to also exhibit the response to that text from Martin that said something about giving someone some meth and having them chew Incognito's face off. So that was just Martin trying to fit in, right? Or could it be that these two just bantered back and forth like a lot of guys tend to do? Why is it that anything that Martin said or did that looks inappropriate in this situation was because of his struggle to fit in, but anything Incognito said was because he is a worthless vile bully?
I'll wait for the report. And no I don't trust anything ESPN has to say on this.
Bogeys
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Whenever I read one of KCs posts I hear it in uncle festers voice
Bogeys
Footballguy
kentric
Footballguy
The problem for Incognito is that the texting evidence was just one aspect of the issue. I agree with you on the texts though. They don't seem very discriminatory toward Incognito.
KCitons
Footballguy
I chose to stay out of this thread at the request of others.
But, if you continue to say my name, I will haunt your ### like Beetlejuice.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Incognito is def a huge ****, but that is pretty par for the course for a 320 lb professional lineman...
This story spiraled out of control, but incognito will be on an NFL roster and prob starting next year, while Martin will be looking for a new field of employment.
This story spiraled out of control, but incognito will be on an NFL roster and prob starting next year, while Martin will be looking for a new field of employment.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'm not saying there aren't a lot of genuinely nice guys too, but there a def quite a bunch ##### too.
HellToupee
Footballguy
how did you come up with this hypothesis?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
One of my best friends played on an NFL offensive line for two seasons... Never made the game day roster, but was on the roster as a practice squad player... His insight is much better than anything any analyst could give me.
I stand by my statement... Incognito will be signed this offseason, Martin will not.
Last edited by a moderator:
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Looks like the truth is out and Martin got the vindication he was looking for.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I still think Incognito got the short end in this, mainly by the media, but this Deadspin article opened my eyes on what Martin was going through internally. There was just no way of incognito knowing how deep things were cutting.
http://deadsp.in/wUBso6a
http://deadsp.in/wUBso6a
Koya
Footballguy
The initial word from the report is that even in a world where this is expected , this #### was out of control.
TheMagus
Footballguy
Yea I'm reading through all of this stuff now. I have to admit I was on the "he's looking for a payday because he can't hack it in the NFL" train. But he's obviously got some serious emotional issues and Incognito and the others probably had no idea this stuff was bothering him to this level. After reading a lot of this, the kid is obviously very sensitive about these things and was really bothered.
Doug B
Footballguy
Is he worth the circus, though? Seems like a guy that would be easy to excuse passing upon.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Doug B
Footballguy
With Michael Sam coming into the league ... Incognito's employer will have to constantly walk a minefield. PR concerns exist now for teams that didn't exist 5 years ago.fantasycurse42 said:
All it takes is one, I guess. I would be that 20+ teams wouldn't sign Incognito for any price.
RBM
Footballguy
Yup, he will get a job. Just like Jerry will keep his job and Pouncey will still be viewed as one of the best young centers in the league.fantasycurse42 said:
I'd say half the league won't blink twice at the stuff in this report. These guys are wired different and have much different lives than any of us message board wussies.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Any team near the cap limit with an OL need will be ringing Incognito's phone, it's a given...he's def an #######, but he'll be a gainfully employed #######.
Last edited by a moderator:
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Doubtful.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Even Michael Vick got a second chance, and he did jail time for a crime that many fans would consider more serious.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is a league with a primitive mentality, you think they care if a guy is a bully/####### if they can have talent below market value?
Honestly, I'd be happy if the 49ers sign him! He'll cost them nothing & I think he'll be an animal next year with a chip on his shoulder.
The NFL isn't a popularity contest.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Vick was contrite and a better player at a higher value position.Maybe he will get signed, but he's a mediocre player on the wrong side of 30. It also doesn't sound like he's made a lot of friends around the league. It's not like he just became an ####### this year. I'd just be surprised.
