Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (5 Viewers)

[bostonfred]

My love for you will still be strong after the Boyce of summer is gone

 

[Run It Up]

Pats release longsnapper, anyone on roster have experience at the NFL level being a longsnapper? I had heard that Nink has but not sure if they were serious.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Pats release longsnapper, anyone on roster have experience at the NFL level being a longsnapper? I had heard that Nink has but not sure if they were serious.

Erik Scalavino tweeted that he's been the backup long-snapper for years. I don't think he was joking.

 

[Plaid Boxer]

Pats release longsnapper, anyone on roster have experience at the NFL level being a longsnapper? I had heard that Nink has but not sure if they were serious.

Erik Scalavino tweeted that he's been the backup long-snapper for years. I don't think he was joking.

Nink held for a pat or fg against the Panthers.

 

[captain_amazing]

Pats release longsnapper, anyone on roster have experience at the NFL level being a longsnapper? I had heard that Nink has but not sure if they were serious.

Erik Scalavino tweeted that he's been the backup long-snapper for years. I don't think he was joking.

Nink held for a pat or fg against the Panthers.

I'm guessing they will sign someone from Pete's Burger Shack as a replacement.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Pats release longsnapper, anyone on roster have experience at the NFL level being a longsnapper? I had heard that Nink has but not sure if they were serious.

yeah, nink is our back up snapper

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Vollmer to gaurd and Cannon to RT, according to a report (think it was the Globe). That's a bit surprising.

https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/505693715391062016

I'm told the #Patriots had a meeting with the veteran offensive linemen yesterday and told Vollmer about moving to guard, Cannon to tackle

 

[Anarchy99]

Pats practice squad . . .

DE Jake Bequette, WR Josh Boyce, QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson, LB Ja'Gared Davis, S Kanorris Davis, RB Jonas Gray, LS Charley Hughlett, OL Chris Martin, LB Deontae Skinner, and CB Daxton Swanson.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

10 possible reasons for Patriots to have cap space

1.) Pay for the 10-man practice squad - minimum of $1.7 million - Will happen on 9/4

2.) Account for Brian Tyms - 400K - Will happen on 9/4

3.) Pay for the 4 players who are already on IR - $1.212 million - Will happen on 9/4

4.) Pay for players 52 and 53 - 840K - Will happen on 9/4

5.) Injury settlements with Terrence Miller and Steve Beauharnais - Already happened. Amounts unknown.

6.) Cushion for reached NLTBE 46-man active roster bonuses - maximum of $2.2 million

7.) Cushion for other reached NLTBE incentives. Do know that Wilfork could earn 3M, Vollmer 2M, Browner 1.25M, Edelman 500K. Am sure that other players have NLTBE incentives but do not know the details.

8.) Pay for players who replaced players who are placed on IR during the season - around 2M

9.) Have space for extensions (Ridley, Vereen, Cannon, Solder, Gostkowski. McCourty, Revis, Slater). Some extensions could increase player's 2014 cap number/

10.) Carry over space to pay back borrowed cap space in 2011/2012. Do not know if the Pats did borrow cap space. They may have.

thx, miguel

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/10-possible-reasons-for-patriots-to-have-cap-space.1111669/

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

the patriots way

 

[Run It Up]

Get hyped for Easley's debut.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

In warmups, the offensive line's starting unit was finally identified: LT Nate Solder, LG Marcus Cannon, C Dan Connolly, RG Jordan Devey, and RT Sebastian Vollmer. There were question marks on each of the team's interior linemen.

On defense, Patrick Chung lined up as the starting safety opposite of Devin McCourty in warmups while Alfonzo Dennard was starting at corner in place of the suspended Brandon Browner. Chung, in his second stint with the Patriots, beat out Duron Harmon and Tavon Wilson as the starting safety.

 

[Run It Up]

Everything but the blocked punt in the first half was great, everything in the second half made me wanna vomit.

 

[captain_amazing]

So a team that traditionally plays the Pats tough gets the win. Additionally, there were very little positive things to the away from today.

Just the first game of many, so we'll see next week ... thoughts?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So a team that traditionally plays the Pats tough gets the win. Additionally, there were very little positive things to the away from today.

Just the first game of many, so we'll see next week ... thoughts?

I want to kill myself

 

[ponchsox]

Vikings looked great today and we have to find a way to stop AP and CP.

 

[captain_amazing]

Everything but the blocked punt in the first half was great, everything in the second half made me wanna vomit.

Agreed. Really disappointed in the running game as well. LaFell looked awful, Amendolla nearly non-existent. Edelman looked great and in midseason form, on the other hand n

 

[captain_amazing]

Also, was pretty disappointed in Revis. Thought he was easily outplayed by Wallace for most of the game.

 

[JetMaxx]

In warmups, the offensive line's starting unit was finally identified: LT Nate Solder, LG Marcus Cannon, C Dan Connolly, RG Jordan Devey, and RT Sebastian Vollmer. There were question marks on each of the team's interior linemen.

On defense, Patrick Chung lined up as the starting safety opposite of Devin McCourty in warmups while Alfonzo Dennard was starting at corner in place of the suspended Brandon Browner. Chung, in his second stint with the Patriots, beat out Duron Harmon and Tavon Wilson as the starting safety.

Well done GM BB. Chung, interior OL, Lafell etc.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Patrick Chung

 

[Anarchy99]

I can't remember the last time the Pats had sole possession of last place.

 

[Paulymaggs]

I can't remember the last time the Pats had sole possession of last place.

It will be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG rebuild, brah

 

[captain_amazing]

I can't remember the last time the Pats had sole possession of last place.

It will be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG rebuild, brah

This isn't a rebuild. It's a build.

 

[ponchsox]

They'll be fine. They looked great in the first half. Miami adjusted and has the best offense we've seen in years.

 

[cstu]

The only other time the Patriots with Brady lost the opener was in 2003 against the Bills.

They went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

here's a little write up a guy did on the offensive line play

not that I really want to revisit that game...

edit: lol forgot the link

 

[Anarchy99]

This is the only time a team with Brady on it has been in last place all to themselves.

 

[az_prof]

How bad was NE defense? Do people feel like they are a hold in fantasy as a team defense or would you drop them for a team D like MN or HOU?

 

[BassNBrew]

Manning looked good last night.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How bad was NE defense? Do people feel like they are a hold in fantasy as a team defense or would you drop them for a team D like MN or HOU?

that's an excellent question --- in the first half I thought they were pretty much everything I had expected, but 2nd half was obviously very disappointing.

just from memory, and I know tebow is the butt of a lot of jokes now, but when he was in denver they were running over teams, and the pats were one of those victims --- in the first half, anyway.

in the 2nd half they made some adjustments and shut denver down, then later destroyed them in the playoffs.

jets have had a pretty consistently good defense since they signed rex, but a couple years ago we destroyed them, like 45-3, or something.

unfortunately, we met them again in the playoffs and they beat us, holding our offense to pretty pedestrian levels.

if you put any kind of thought or effort into evaluating a player, a team, or whatever, I don't think you can just throw all that out after a game or a half that doesn't meet your expectations.

all the same players are still there, maybe minus ninky if the shoulder turns out to be something, and I can't believe they all just suddenly suck.

I'm going down with the ship.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Playing in Miami has always been a house of horrors for the Pats, regardless of whether it's week one or not (remember the wildcat nonsense from five years ago?). I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, although the second half Patriots looked pretty miserable. Some notes:

- Bad penalties (not bad call, necessarily) hurt the Pats. A couple pass interference, overzealous ruffing the passer, etc.

- O Line looked BAD.

- Not converting a single point on the three turnovers was a killer

- Once again it looked like the pass catchers were on a different page, running wrong routes (Gronk being a prime offender here)

- Vereen made some nice moves, Ridley looked 'serviceable' at best (although that stems back to o-Line as well)

- They could not stop the run, and it burned them. D was on the field a lot, in the Miami heat, week one. Not making excuses, but there's one for ya.

Minnesota could be primed for a sucker punch as they come off their big win and NE comes off an embarrassing loss. The Brady Bunch is going to be looking for vengeance... much like my fantasy team.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Playing in Miami has always been a house of horrors for the Pats, regardless of whether it's week one or not (remember the wildcat nonsense from five years ago?). I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, although the second half Patriots looked pretty miserable. Some notes:

- Bad penalties (not bad call, necessarily) hurt the Pats. A couple pass interference, overzealous ruffing the passer, etc.

- O Line looked BAD.

- Not converting a single point on the three turnovers was a killer

- Once again it looked like the pass catchers were on a different page, running wrong routes (Gronk being a prime offender here)

- Vereen made some nice moves, Ridley looked 'serviceable' at best (although that stems back to o-Line as well)

- They could not stop the run, and it burned them. D was on the field a lot, in the Miami heat, week one. Not making excuses, but there's one for ya.

Minnesota could be primed for a sucker punch as they come off their big win and NE comes off an embarrassing loss. The Brady Bunch is going to be looking for vengeance... much like my fantasy team.

yeah, remember when the dolphins shut the pats out in 2006, I think it was?

 

[Anarchy99]

Playing in Miami has always been a house of horrors for the Pats, regardless of whether it's week one or not (remember the wildcat nonsense from five years ago?). I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, although the second half Patriots looked pretty miserable. Some notes:

- Bad penalties (not bad call, necessarily) hurt the Pats. A couple pass interference, overzealous ruffing the passer, etc.

- O Line looked BAD.

- Not converting a single point on the three turnovers was a killer

- Once again it looked like the pass catchers were on a different page, running wrong routes (Gronk being a prime offender here)

- Vereen made some nice moves, Ridley looked 'serviceable' at best (although that stems back to o-Line as well)

- They could not stop the run, and it burned them. D was on the field a lot, in the Miami heat, week one. Not making excuses, but there's one for ya.

Minnesota could be primed for a sucker punch as they come off their big win and NE comes off an embarrassing loss. The Brady Bunch is going to be looking for vengeance... much like my fantasy team.

IIRC, the Pats scored a TD and a FG off of the 3 turnovers.

I wouldn't be too concerned about things just yet. The Pats are 6-7 against the Phins in Miami with Brady starting. NE only outscored MIA 305-296 in those games. I don't think they take to the heat and humidity very well (just like they have not done well overall playing in DEN).

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Playing in Miami has always been a house of horrors for the Pats, regardless of whether it's week one or not (remember the wildcat nonsense from five years ago?). I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, although the second half Patriots looked pretty miserable. Some notes:

- Bad penalties (not bad call, necessarily) hurt the Pats. A couple pass interference, overzealous ruffing the passer, etc.

- O Line looked BAD.

- Not converting a single point on the three turnovers was a killer

- Once again it looked like the pass catchers were on a different page, running wrong routes (Gronk being a prime offender here)

- Vereen made some nice moves, Ridley looked 'serviceable' at best (although that stems back to o-Line as well)

- They could not stop the run, and it burned them. D was on the field a lot, in the Miami heat, week one. Not making excuses, but there's one for ya.

Minnesota could be primed for a sucker punch as they come off their big win and NE comes off an embarrassing loss. The Brady Bunch is going to be looking for vengeance... much like my fantasy team.

IIRC, the Pats scored a TD and a FG off of the 3 turnovers.

I wouldn't be too concerned about things just yet. The Pats are 6-7 against the Phins in Miami with Brady starting. NE only outscored MIA 305-296 in those games. I don't think they take to the heat and humidity very well (just like they have not done well overall playing in DEN).

Hmm, must have missed it (I was streaming the game whilst also doing work). Could've sworn they didn't get anything, or maybe a FG. Yeah, I'm not worried about them yet in the slightest. They've just never played well in Miami for whatever reason. Playing in Miami is New England's kryptonite apparently.

 

[Anarchy99]

Just for clarity's sake, first fumble recovery = FG, INT = TD, second fumble recovery = 3 & Out.

 

[justinl]

Playing in Miami has always been a house of horrors for the Pats, regardless of whether it's week one or not (remember the wildcat nonsense from five years ago?). I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, although the second half Patriots looked pretty miserable. Some notes:

- Bad penalties (not bad call, necessarily) hurt the Pats. A couple pass interference, overzealous ruffing the passer, etc.

- O Line looked BAD.

- Not converting a single point on the three turnovers was a killer

- Once again it looked like the pass catchers were on a different page, running wrong routes (Gronk being a prime offender here)

- Vereen made some nice moves, Ridley looked 'serviceable' at best (although that stems back to o-Line as well)

- They could not stop the run, and it burned them. D was on the field a lot, in the Miami heat, week one. Not making excuses, but there's one for ya.

Minnesota could be primed for a sucker punch as they come off their big win and NE comes off an embarrassing loss. The Brady Bunch is going to be looking for vengeance... much like my fantasy team.

yeah, remember when the dolphins shut the pats out in 2006, I think it was?

I still remember the shootout they had in Miami in '11. My opponent trotted out Brady and Welker. I got crushed, blowout of the season. But just my luck, went on to win 15 in a row.

 

[ROCKET]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

 

[Run It Up]

We put the wrong defense on the field. BB has been trying to transition back into a 3-4 for years, had the worst unit and assignments for that scheme yesterday. Taking Chandler Jones and giving two man responsibilities while also taking away his pass rush threat is just dumb.

I blame most of what transpired yesterday on the coaches.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

well, I'm pretty down about the game, but then I realized I'm rooting for a team that produces this ^^ reaction to losing one game and I feel a little better.

 

[ROCKET]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

well, I'm pretty down about the game, but then I realized I'm rooting for a team that produces this ^^ reaction to losing one game and I feel a little better.

I'm trying to not overreact but looking at this team we have two of the weakest lines in the NFL. I think it is as much a talent issue as a coaching/scheme issue. I'm of the belief that games are won in the trenches and from what I've seen so far that is a major issue given the cast of characters we are fielding. The good news is we have 13 mil in cap space left to go out and sign all those impact players out there.

 

[Anarchy99]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

The Pats have usually been so-so in the first half of seasons and then way better over the second half. I suspect a similar outcome to yesterday could easily have happened no matter when the game was played IN MIAMI. They could have been 10-0 and then lost. They just don't fare well in the heat. Suddenly they have one bad showing (which is usually how it goes in MIA) and they are done? I'm not buying it.

1st half/2nd half season splits

2000 2-6 / 5-3

2001 4-4 / 7-1

2002 4-4 / 5-3

2003 6-2 / 8-0

2004 7-1 / 7-1

2005 4-4 / 6-2

2006 6-2 / 6-2

2007 8-0 / 8-0

2008 5-3 / 6-2

2009 6-2 / 4-4

2010 6-2 / 8-0

2011 5-3 / 8-0

2012 5-3 / 7-1

2013 6-2 / 6-2

So 4 times they went 8-0, 3 times they went 7-1, and 4 more seasons they went 6-2. In the past 4 years, they have gone a collected 29-3 (.906 winning percentage!) in the second half of the season. So, no, at this stage I would not really be that concerned. That being said, the second half was ugly yesterday between all the penalties, poor play on all three sides of the ball, and the inept coaching and play calling. But they don't play for the SB in September. I still think that one of the biggest reasons they have not won another title has been too many injuries to key players in the post season. IMO, if the right players are healthy when the season is over they have as good a chance as anyone else of winning. The problem being, everyone has a pass/fail approach to the season, so anything but a SB win equates to a lost season and abject failure.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

well, I'm pretty down about the game, but then I realized I'm rooting for a team that produces this ^^ reaction to losing one game and I feel a little better.

I'm trying to not overreact but looking at this team we have two of the weakest lines in the NFL. I think it is as much a talent issue as a coaching/scheme issue. I'm of the belief that games are won in the trenches and from what I've seen so far that is a major issue given the cast of characters we are fielding. The good news is we have 13 mil in cap space left to go out and sign all those impact players out there.

yeah, I think that's your imagination

 

[Run It Up]

I blame most of what transpired yesterday on the coaches.

The rest I blame on Lafell.

 

[ROCKET]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

well, I'm pretty down about the game, but then I realized I'm rooting for a team that produces this ^^ reaction to losing one game and I feel a little better.

I'm trying to not overreact but looking at this team we have two of the weakest lines in the NFL. I think it is as much a talent issue as a coaching/scheme issue. I'm of the belief that games are won in the trenches and from what I've seen so far that is a major issue given the cast of characters we are fielding. The good news is we have 13 mil in cap space left to go out and sign all those impact players out there.

yeah, I think that's your imagination

Ok, so I imagined that Chris Jones, Silver Siliga and a very old looking Big Vince were thrown around like rag dolls in the second half. I don't even know where to start on the offensive line, just pick anyone. Do you honestly see either line being a strength for this team? If so, how do you see that based on the talent we presently have and the way they are playing? What we have done in years past doesn't mean anything this year as we have never fielded such a bunch of stiffs and has been's on the lines as we have now. Well at least not under BB.

 

[captain_amazing]

This is the first time in the Brady era that I seriously think the run is over. I would be shocked if this team does anything in the playoffs assuming they get there. BB and his crappy drafting and Kraft's nickel and diming has finally taken it's toll. I'll give BB credit as he has done more with less over the last 5 years or so but the cupboard is bare and both lines are pathetic. Brady is in decline as well but how can you blame him given the talent he's surrounded with.

It was a great run and we knew it wouldn't last forever.

well, I'm pretty down about the game, but then I realized I'm rooting for a team that produces this ^^ reaction to losing one game and I feel a little better.

I'm trying to not overreact but looking at this team we have two of the weakest lines in the NFL. I think it is as much a talent issue as a coaching/scheme issue. I'm of the belief that games are won in the trenches and from what I've seen so far that is a major issue given the cast of characters we are fielding. The good news is we have 13 mil in cap space left to go out and sign all those impact players out there.

yeah, I think that's your imagination

Ok, so I imagined that Chris Jones, Silver Siliga and a very old looking Big Vince were thrown around like rag dolls in the second half. I don't even know where to start on the offensive line, just pick anyone. Do you honestly see either line being a strength for this team? If so, how do you see that based on the talent we presently have and the way they are playing? What we have done in years past doesn't mean anything this year as we have never fielded such a bunch of stiffs and has been's on the lines as we have now. Well at least not under BB.

I totally get why you'd feel that way after this game. But, at some point, until they prove otherwise, don't you need to give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll improve?

 

[nb009]

Can someone who follows the Patriots very closely please help provide a critique of Danny Amendola (aside from his injury issues)?

I ask, because I assumed that he would be a factor on this offense if healthy. He looks like an afterthought at this point. Is Julian Edelman really THAT much better than him, if at all?

 

[ponchsox]

Won't be a fun practice this week.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Can someone who follows the Patriots very closely please help provide a critique of Danny Amendola (aside from his injury issues)?

I ask, because I assumed that he would be a factor on this offense if healthy. He looks like an afterthought at this point. Is Julian Edelman really THAT much better than him, if at all?

Even as someone who watches the Patriots closely, it's a bit of a mystery, as I also thought he'd be a nice piece to the Pats offense. My best guess would be a combination of several factors: he hasn't been healthy long enough to gel with Brady and the offense, there are players that do what he does better (Gronk/Edeleman), the Pats would rather give reps to their promising/rising younger guys than a falling/injury prone vet, and possibly BB just flat out doesn't like him. He's had a few decent plays here and there, but overall he's just kind of there.

 

[Anarchy99]

Can someone who follows the Patriots very closely please help provide a critique of Danny Amendola (aside from his injury issues)?

I ask, because I assumed that he would be a factor on this offense if healthy. He looks like an afterthought at this point. Is Julian Edelman really THAT much better than him, if at all?

It's pretty straight forward. Brady has more trust, chemistry, and a comfort level with Edelman that he does not have at the moment with Amendola. I don't th ink Edelman is that much more talented, but Brady has more laser vision on Edelman as Amendola is not at could at hot reads and running the routes as Brady wants them. Things could change if coverage changes though and Edelman has more bodies covering him.

 

[BassNBrew]

I blame most of what transpired yesterday on the coaches.

The rest I blame on Lafell.

What did Lafell do?

And why on god's green earth would the Pats acquire him after having years of tape of him sucking in Carolina?

Why was Amendola unstoppable in STL and just a blip on Brady's radar?