Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (3 Viewers)

[Boston]

The issue with tackle is BB doesn't pay premium for them. Got value out of Matt Light but can't think of any cornerstone guy at LT they've had since then. Isaiah Wynn sucked and was always hurt (and profiled better as an NFL guard than a tackle). Trent Brown was a steal in 2018 but hasn't really been the same guy since. All this K-Mart shopping at OL is how BB ends up bringing in guys like Korey Cunningham and Jermaine Eluemunor, instead of actually investing solid money. Favoring undersized centers and such. Other than Light, Logan Mankins and Joe Thuney, I can't think of any other offensive linemen the Pats have had in BB's entire tenure that were considered All-Pros compared to the rest of the league.

They did a good job for years at LT with Light (maybe the most underrated player of the Pats Dynasty) and Solder who was a 1st round pick...Vollmer was a RT and a 2nd round pick and had a very nice career...the big issue now is BB does not have Dante to turn water into wine...Dante is one of the greatest positional coaches in NFL history...he turned nobodies like Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Connolly, Wendell, Mason, Cannon and David Andrews into very good NFL lineman...he was able to get the most out of a headcase like Trent Brown...unfortunately those days are over and to go into this season with the current collection of tackles is just unacceptable because it was beyond obvious it was going to be an issue...and there is no excuse for it.

(obviously?) I agree with the first bolded part but not the second.

I think we all recognize that Bill has always treated WRs and RBs like widgets...but really its true across the board...secondary players are like widgets (see Law, Asante Samuel, etc.)....its really no surprise that he treats o line players like widgets. if you zoom the lens out, its about (Wesleyan University) economics...there's an optimal solution about how to spend dollars to field a 52 man roster and more often than not there's not going to be a whole heck of a lot of injury mitigation built into the optimal solution. rather, when unplanned events occur the strength of the 52 has to be able to mitigate a bad sequence of events. Anarchy has already posted the facts about how we got here...I'm not surprised or even critical for anyone who wants to take the position of "he should have known better" etc etc....it's reasonable to wonder what the future will look like without Scar and Ernie and Tom....my whole deal is I'm comfortable outsourcing the management of such dynamics to the guy with half a century of unparalleled success in his role and I hesitate to conclude that he has "checked out" or is otherwise not the same singularly focused freak he's always been.

Let's revisit at the end of the year, when we're either looking at a 10-7 record or a 5-12 record...and we'll have a full season of o line PFF grades to consider...time will tell.

Going on 4 years post TB12 we do not see things the same way and that's not gonna change until we see real results because as Parcells used to say..."you are what your record says you are"

 

[Anarchy99]

Also the way to save the money for the elite guys you want to keep around . . .

Here's one think that the fans and BB likely won't see eye-to-eye on. Should a strong player end up on NE (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA, etc.), the fans will want to keep that productive player around because, well, they were productive. Bill usually looks at that player and sees a big giant contract looming and would rather move on to the cheaper alternative (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA) rather than pay that player a ton of money. EXHIBIT A: J.C. Jackson. That may not work moving forward without Brady, but that's how BB blends hi coaching and GM mind to come to a solution.

 

[Anarchy99]

The issue with tackle is BB doesn't pay premium for them. Got value out of Matt Light but can't think of any cornerstone guy at LT they've had since then. Isaiah Wynn sucked and was always hurt (and profiled better as an NFL guard than a tackle). Trent Brown was a steal in 2018 but hasn't really been the same guy since. All this K-Mart shopping at OL is how BB ends up bringing in guys like Korey Cunningham and Jermaine Eluemunor, instead of actually investing solid money. Favoring undersized centers and such. Other than Light, Logan Mankins and Joe Thuney, I can't think of any other offensive linemen the Pats have had in BB's entire tenure that were considered All-Pros compared to the rest of the league.

They did a good job for years at LT with Light (maybe the most underrated player of the Pats Dynasty) and Solder who was a 1st round pick...Vollmer was a RT and a 2nd round pick and had a very nice career...the big issue now is BB does not have Dante to turn water into wine...Dante is one of the greatest positional coaches in NFL history...he turned nobodies like Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Connolly, Wendell, Mason, Cannon and David Andrews into very good NFL lineman...he was able to get the most out of a headcase like Trent Brown...unfortunately those days are over and to go into this season with the current collection of tackles is just unacceptable because it was beyond obvious it was going to be an issue...and there is no excuse for it.

(obviously?) I agree with the first bolded part but not the second.

I think we all recognize that Bill has always treated WRs and RBs like widgets...but really its true across the board...secondary players are like widgets (see Law, Asante Samuel, etc.)....its really no surprise that he treats o line players like widgets. if you zoom the lens out, its about (Wesleyan University) economics...there's an optimal solution about how to spend dollars to field a 52 man roster and more often than not there's not going to be a whole heck of a lot of injury mitigation built into the optimal solution. rather, when unplanned events occur the strength of the 52 has to be able to mitigate a bad sequence of events. Anarchy has already posted the facts about how we got here...I'm not surprised or even critical for anyone who wants to take the position of "he should have known better" etc etc....it's reasonable to wonder what the future will look like without Scar and Ernie and Tom....my whole deal is I'm comfortable outsourcing the management of such dynamics to the guy with half a century of unparalleled success in his role and I hesitate to conclude that he has "checked out" or is otherwise not the same singularly focused freak he's always been.

Let's revisit at the end of the year, when we're either looking at a 10-7 record or a 5-12 record...and we'll have a full season of o line PFF grades to consider...time will tell.

Going on 4 years post TB12 we do not see things the same way and that's not gonna change until we see real results because as Parcells used to say..."you are what your record says you are"

I know we disagree with the state of the franchise. But what would you project the team's record to be if they had Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow? The reality is, the Pats don't have one of those guys. but I would guess you would say that their record would be significantly better than with Mac Jones (and likely a playoff team if not in the hunt for the division title).

 

[Lansdowne]

The issue with tackle is BB doesn't pay premium for them. Got value out of Matt Light but can't think of any cornerstone guy at LT they've had since then. Isaiah Wynn sucked and was always hurt (and profiled better as an NFL guard than a tackle). Trent Brown was a steal in 2018 but hasn't really been the same guy since. All this K-Mart shopping at OL is how BB ends up bringing in guys like Korey Cunningham and Jermaine Eluemunor, instead of actually investing solid money. Favoring undersized centers and such. Other than Light, Logan Mankins and Joe Thuney, I can't think of any other offensive linemen the Pats have had in BB's entire tenure that were considered All-Pros compared to the rest of the league.

They did a good job for years at LT with Light (maybe the most underrated player of the Pats Dynasty) and Solder who was a 1st round pick...Vollmer was a RT and a 2nd round pick and had a very nice career...the big issue now is BB does not have Dante to turn water into wine...Dante is one of the greatest positional coaches in NFL history...he turned nobodies like Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Connolly, Wendell, Mason, Cannon and David Andrews into very good NFL lineman...he was able to get the most out of a headcase like Trent Brown...unfortunately those days are over and to go into this season with the current collection of tackles is just unacceptable because it was beyond obvious it was going to be an issue...and there is no excuse for it.

(obviously?) I agree with the first bolded part but not the second.

I think we all recognize that Bill has always treated WRs and RBs like widgets...but really its true across the board...secondary players are like widgets (see Law, Asante Samuel, etc.)....its really no surprise that he treats o line players like widgets. if you zoom the lens out, its about (Wesleyan University) economics...there's an optimal solution about how to spend dollars to field a 52 man roster and more often than not there's not going to be a whole heck of a lot of injury mitigation built into the optimal solution. rather, when unplanned events occur the strength of the 52 has to be able to mitigate a bad sequence of events. Anarchy has already posted the facts about how we got here...I'm not surprised or even critical for anyone who wants to take the position of "he should have known better" etc etc....it's reasonable to wonder what the future will look like without Scar and Ernie and Tom....my whole deal is I'm comfortable outsourcing the management of such dynamics to the guy with half a century of unparalleled success in his role and I hesitate to conclude that he has "checked out" or is otherwise not the same singularly focused freak he's always been.

Let's revisit at the end of the year, when we're either looking at a 10-7 record or a 5-12 record...and we'll have a full season of o line PFF grades to consider...time will tell.

I think the defense is just promising enough that this team could surprise with a 10-7 season like you said. I just feel like BB's way of doing things doesn't translate to today's NFL as much. In a league where spread offenses are the normal, the Pats are stuck in dink-and-mode with middling talent on offense, and a lot of solid and versatile but not amazing players on defense (save for Matt Judon who has become an elite pass rusher in this league).

Through three seasons since Brady left, the Pats have had a total of two come-from-behind victories, one engineered by Cam Newton against the Jets in 2020, and one by Mac Jones against the Texans in 2021. Otherwise if this team is trailing late, there's little chance they're coming back, especially against the likes of the Chiefs, Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins (when Tua is playing), etc. It's not enough to try to prevent points, you have to put them up as well. Brady, even with mediocre options, had legendary pocket awareness and release time on his throws, and read a defense better than anybody. They don't have that guy and BB's record without that guy is nothing to write home about. They haven't really replenished the core of the team through the draft as they should have. Stevenson is about the only success story of home-grown offensive skill players thus far (could say Jakobi Meyers was one but he's a JAG similar to how Jabar Gaffney was a JAG). I don't know, I'm just frustrated.

 

[Boston]

Also the way to save the money for the elite guys you want to keep around . . .

Here's one think that the fans and BB likely won't see eye-to-eye on. Should a strong player end up on NE (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA, etc.), the fans will want to keep that productive player around because, well, they were productive. Bill usually looks at that player and sees a big giant contract looming and would rather move on to the cheaper alternative (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA) rather than pay that player a ton of money. EXHIBIT A: J.C. Jackson. That may not work moving forward without Brady, but that's how BB blends hi coaching and GM mind to come to a solution.

I have always said one of the biggest keys to BB's success was not falling in love with players and letting them go regardless of who it was and it usually one year early rather than one year late...he was a master at that and he hardly ever got bitten in the butt when doing it...those tough decisions were one of the main reasons they maintained an elite level for 20 years...but we are in a new era of the NFL and Brady is no longer here in that new era...you just cannot build your team the same way or you will end up what they are now which is 25-25 with two losing records in the past 3 years with a team that most people see as not having much high-end talent at all.

 

[Boston]

The issue with tackle is BB doesn't pay premium for them. Got value out of Matt Light but can't think of any cornerstone guy at LT they've had since then. Isaiah Wynn sucked and was always hurt (and profiled better as an NFL guard than a tackle). Trent Brown was a steal in 2018 but hasn't really been the same guy since. All this K-Mart shopping at OL is how BB ends up bringing in guys like Korey Cunningham and Jermaine Eluemunor, instead of actually investing solid money. Favoring undersized centers and such. Other than Light, Logan Mankins and Joe Thuney, I can't think of any other offensive linemen the Pats have had in BB's entire tenure that were considered All-Pros compared to the rest of the league.

They did a good job for years at LT with Light (maybe the most underrated player of the Pats Dynasty) and Solder who was a 1st round pick...Vollmer was a RT and a 2nd round pick and had a very nice career...the big issue now is BB does not have Dante to turn water into wine...Dante is one of the greatest positional coaches in NFL history...he turned nobodies like Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Connolly, Wendell, Mason, Cannon and David Andrews into very good NFL lineman...he was able to get the most out of a headcase like Trent Brown...unfortunately those days are over and to go into this season with the current collection of tackles is just unacceptable because it was beyond obvious it was going to be an issue...and there is no excuse for it.

(obviously?) I agree with the first bolded part but not the second.

I think we all recognize that Bill has always treated WRs and RBs like widgets...but really its true across the board...secondary players are like widgets (see Law, Asante Samuel, etc.)....its really no surprise that he treats o line players like widgets. if you zoom the lens out, its about (Wesleyan University) economics...there's an optimal solution about how to spend dollars to field a 52 man roster and more often than not there's not going to be a whole heck of a lot of injury mitigation built into the optimal solution. rather, when unplanned events occur the strength of the 52 has to be able to mitigate a bad sequence of events. Anarchy has already posted the facts about how we got here...I'm not surprised or even critical for anyone who wants to take the position of "he should have known better" etc etc....it's reasonable to wonder what the future will look like without Scar and Ernie and Tom....my whole deal is I'm comfortable outsourcing the management of such dynamics to the guy with half a century of unparalleled success in his role and I hesitate to conclude that he has "checked out" or is otherwise not the same singularly focused freak he's always been.

Let's revisit at the end of the year, when we're either looking at a 10-7 record or a 5-12 record...and we'll have a full season of o line PFF grades to consider...time will tell.

Going on 4 years post TB12 we do not see things the same way and that's not gonna change until we see real results because as Parcells used to say..."you are what your record says you are"

I know we disagree with the state of the franchise. But what would you project the team's record to be if they had Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow? The reality is, the Pats don't have one of those guys. but I would guess you would say that their record would be significantly better than with Mac Jones (and likely a playoff team if not in the hunt for the division title).

Not to be a jerk but the whole issue right now is they don't have one of those QBs so why would you build your team as if you do?

 

[fuzzy_dunlop]

Going on 4 years

Oh, the humanity!

 

[Boston]

Going on 4 years

Oh, the humanity!

Yes...BB can do no wrong...just shut up and agree with everything he does.

 

[Lansdowne]

Also the way to save the money for the elite guys you want to keep around . . .

Here's one think that the fans and BB likely won't see eye-to-eye on. Should a strong player end up on NE (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA, etc.), the fans will want to keep that productive player around because, well, they were productive. Bill usually looks at that player and sees a big giant contract looming and would rather move on to the cheaper alternative (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA) rather than pay that player a ton of money. EXHIBIT A: J.C. Jackson. That may not work moving forward without Brady, but that's how BB blends hi coaching and GM mind to come to a solution.

I've seen instances where BB paid more than market value for guys on special teams (paying 53-man roster money to a guy on the practice squad so he wouldn't be tempted to sign elsewhere) as well as ponying up for Justin Bethel when they already had a special teams ace in Matthew Slater. It feels like he spends more on the middle class of players than the upper class.

 

[Anarchy99]

Otherwise if this team is trailing late, there's little chance they're coming back.

This came up on a podcast or two recently (along with NE not beating good QBs). Much of the discussion and explanation / rationalization was that the offense wasn't good enough to sustain drives, and as good as the defense has been, they were on the field way too long. Try as they might, the defense would finally wear down late in games, so opponents would get an extra score while the offense still didn't have enough to climb back (or creative play calling) to make a comeback.

If the offense can be somewhat more efficient (not necessarily great, just better) and could get some first downs, avoid three and outs, avoid dumb penalties, avoid a 4th quarter turnover, string together a longer drive or two, and at least be able to flip field position (or score FGs when they would normally punt from deep in their own territory), that could change the entire trajectory of the season. They can't win consistently relying just on the defense forcing turnovers and scoring defensive TDs.

I think the offense can do well enough to change the dynamic I just described. I doubt they will suddenly be a force in the red zone, but they can do better than last in the league in RZ TD%. They should be better and move into FG distance more. Even if they have an 8-play drive and get no points, that would still help the defense. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Anarchy99]

Also the way to save the money for the elite guys you want to keep around . . .

Here's one think that the fans and BB likely won't see eye-to-eye on. Should a strong player end up on NE (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA, etc.), the fans will want to keep that productive player around because, well, they were productive. Bill usually looks at that player and sees a big giant contract looming and would rather move on to the cheaper alternative (draft pick, FA signing, UDFA) rather than pay that player a ton of money. EXHIBIT A: J.C. Jackson. That may not work moving forward without Brady, but that's how BB blends hi coaching and GM mind to come to a solution.

I've seen instances where BB paid more than market value for guys on special teams (paying 53-man roster money to a guy on the practice squad so he wouldn't be tempted to sign elsewhere) as well as ponying up for Justin Bethel when they already had a special teams ace in Matthew Slater. It feels like he spends more on the middle class of players than the upper class.

This isn't exactly uncovering new ground. BB has always paid more for quality depth, role players, and chess pieces. Several sub-package defenders costs WAYYYYY less to roster than multiple 3-down defenders. Five or six ok pass catchers providers more options and costs less than a Top 5 WR and a bench full of nobodies. Granted, when you have 5 or 6 pass catchers that aren't even ok AND a QB that is a JAG, then they are in trouble. Then they need an OC that can scheme guys open instead of relying more on talent and ability . . . which can only get teams so far.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Going on 4 years

Oh, the humanity!

Yes...BB can do no wrong...just shut up and agree with everything he does.

I think its fine if we are on different sides of a respectful debate, in part because your passion comes from wanting the best for the pats going forward.

We are going into year 4. Year 1 was cap hell which led to Tom bailing. There's a chicken / egg dynamic in Year 1. Year 2 the rookie looked pretty good. Year 3 was Patricia/Judge. So we're 1-1-1 heading in year 4. Feels like a watershed moment....

 

[Anarchy99]

Going on 4 years

Oh, the humanity!

Yes...BB can do no wrong...just shut up and agree with everything he does.

I think its fine if we are on different sides of a respectful debate, in part because your passion comes from wanting the best for the pats going forward.

We are going into year 4. Year 1 was cap hell which led to Tom bailing. There's a chicken / egg dynamic in Year 1. Year 2 the rookie looked pretty good. Year 3 was Patricia/Judge. So we're 1-1-1 heading in year 4. Feels like a watershed moment....

By the end of the season, we will likely know if Mac can by the guy or if he's a JAG. If he does take a turn for the best, for better or for worse, NE ranks #1 in projected cap space for 2024 with $110M ($25M more than the #2 team) and $219M in projected cap space in 2025 ($46M more than the #2 team). Last time they tried to buy a bunch of free agents didn't work out, so hopefully they learned their lesson.

 

[Boston]

Going on 4 years

Oh, the humanity!

Yes...BB can do no wrong...just shut up and agree with everything he does.

I think its fine if we are on different sides of a respectful debate, in part because your passion comes from wanting the best for the pats going forward.

We are going into year 4. Year 1 was cap hell which led to Tom bailing. There's a chicken / egg dynamic in Year 1. Year 2 the rookie looked pretty good. Year 3 was Patricia/Judge. So we're 1-1-1 heading in year 4. Feels like a watershed moment....

By the end of the season, we will likely know if Mac can by the guy or if he's a JAG. If he does take a turn for the best, for better or for worse, NE ranks #1 in projected cap space for 2024 with $110M ($25M more than the #2 team) and $219M in projected cap space in 2025 ($46M more than the #2 team). Last time they tried to buy a bunch of free agents didn't work out, so hopefully they learned their lesson.

Not to be the rain cloud I am becoming but one of the reasons is they did not draft players worthy of a second contract...Wynn, Michel, Harry, JoeJuan Williams, Winovich, D. Harris, Cajuste, Duke Dawson, Derek Rivers, Antonio Garcia, Cyrus Jones, Thuney, Brissett and the immortal Vincent Valentine are their picks in rounds 1-3 from 2019 to 2016...there was only one (Thuney) worthy of a second contract and they let him walk.

 

[Boston]

Timely article from Curran:

Curran: Where has the Patriots' sense of urgency gone?

The Patriots made a pair of puzzling moves Sunday that fall in the “too little, too late” category, writes Tom E. Curran.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Boston]

Report: Patriots looking to upgrade roster at these positions

Greg Bedard reports the Patriots still want to upgrade their roster at these three positions.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Lansdowne]

Report: Patriots looking to upgrade roster at these positions

Greg Bedard reports the Patriots still want to upgrade their roster at these three positions.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

If only they had over $34 million in salary cap space and multiple draft picks to properly address those positions this past spring…

 

[Boston]

Could Patriots trade for a tight end? Breer hints at potential move

Are more trades coming in New England this week? Albert Breer highlights tight end as a position to watch as NFL cutdown day looms.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

"The underrated story here: JuJu Smith Schuster's knee is a mess, and that thing could explode at any point," Breer added. "So, you almost have to keep an extra receiver because of that."

 

[Lansdowne]

I really, really hope Douglas and Boutte become a thing and are seen as two 6th round steals for this Patriots franchise. This team desperately needs a glimmer of hope for the future on that offense. As far as trading for a TE3 goes, see if Denver will part with Albert O. He’d be a nice upside flier.

 

[Boston]

I really, really hope Douglas and Boutte become a thing and are seen as two 6th round steals for this Patriots franchise. This team desperately needs a glimmer of hope for the future on that offense. As far as trading for a TE3 goes, see if Denver will part with Albert O. He’d be a nice upside flier.

I hope they both can actually play and contribute...it would be a big boost to this roster...my fear is we are so used to young WRs busting that the mere fact these two are showing well in camp/preseason have us more excited than we should be...after all the positive reports I'm really looking forward to seeing Douglas play...as for TE if Albert O is a legit blocker he would be a good fit...with Tackle being a potential disaster and Gesicki being a subpar blocker whoever they bring in at TE has to be a plus blocker.

 

[Boston]

Folk traded to the Titans for a 2025 7th.

 

[Bossman]

I don't know how PFF rates offensive line play ... but as far as NE having the #5 ranked OL at the end of last season, or down the stretch ..
They gave up 8 sacks in the last 3 games including 4 to CIN week 17.
OK, maybe they rank highly due to their run blocking then? ...
in their final 3 games, NE had a total of 244 yards rushing and 0 TD's. 81 yards per game avg ... as a TEAM.
the 27 O-lines ranked behind them must be using cheerleaders at that position.
Belichick had 5 months and metric ton of cap space to upgrade a glaring need and ignored it.

 

[Insein]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

 

[Boston]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

Right now it is probably Scott Zolak…at least he is at the stadium.

 

[Da Franchise]

Sorry but Belichick gets worse every single season with his roster building. He’s simply one of the worst in the league at it. This is asinine.

 

[Casting Couch]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

ZERO.
someone one step from the starting job is going to have to come in and learn a new system.

 

[Anarchy99]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

ZERO.
someone one step from the starting job is going to have to come in and learn a new system.

I doubt anyone is going to trip over themselves to sign Zappe or Cunningham (or McSorley for that matter). Any of them should be able to be added to the practice squad. They needed the roster spots for other players right now. So their QB depth chart could essentially be the same if they opt to keep all three guys (although they will likely explore other options).

 

[PIK95]

Maybe Tom is coming back. That or it's tank time. Or we will just be a five win team. Thank god for the Red Sox....oh wait.

 

[Football Jones]

WTF? I know it’s easy to second guess roster moves, but I’m scratching my head.

What veteran QBs are on the street right now? Does BB think Zappe won’t be claimed & this is a temporary move to facilitate the 53?

 

[Casting Couch]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

ZERO.
someone one step from the starting job is going to have to come in and learn a new system.

I doubt anyone is going to trip over themselves to sign Zappe or Cunningham (or McSorley for that matter). Any of them should be able to be added to the practice squad. They needed the roster spots for other players right now. So their QB depth chart could essentially be the same if they opt to keep all three guys (although they will likely explore other options).

I would like to see them bring in another QB for a shot. Zappe is underwhelming.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This team is weird.

 

[PIK95]

Who are the Pats backup QBs?!

ZERO.
someone one step from the starting job is going to have to come in and learn a new system.

I doubt anyone is going to trip over themselves to sign Zappe or Cunningham (or McSorley for that matter). Any of them should be able to be added to the practice squad. They needed the roster spots for other players right now. So their QB depth chart could essentially be the same if they opt to keep all three guys (although they will likely explore other options).

I would like to see them bring in another QB for a shot. Zappe is underwhelming.

As long as it's not Colt McCoy...

 

[Boston]

This team is weird.

It is starting to remind me of when Pitino was running the Celtics…when he took over everyone thought he was a genius and he made some crazy moves like signing Travis Knight but because we thought he was genius he got the benefit of the doubt and thought he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers…it went on for awhile than one day everyone realized he did not have a plan and it was actually a legit debacle…BB was the best in the business for close to two decades but right now I just don ‘t think there is a plan and they are winging it.

 

[Boston]

Right now I believe the Pats have 1 QB and 2 RBs on their 53 man roster…but Matt Patricia is gone so everything will be fine.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This team is weird.

It is starting to remind me of when Pitino was running the Celtics…when he took over everyone thought he was a genius and he made some crazy moves like signing Travis Knight but because we thought he was genius he got the benefit of the doubt and thought he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers…it went on for awhile than one day everyone realized he did not have a plan and it was actually a legit debacle…BB was the best in the business for close to two decades but right now I just don ‘t think there is a plan and they are winging it.

Last year when they allowed Patricia to run the offense is when I started to feel this way.

 

[Da Franchise]

This team is weird.

It is starting to remind me of when Pitino was running the Celtics…when he took over everyone thought he was a genius and he made some crazy moves like signing Travis Knight but because we thought he was genius he got the benefit of the doubt and thought he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers…it went on for awhile than one day everyone realized he did not have a plan and it was actually a legit debacle…BB was the best in the business for close to two decades but right now I just don ‘t think there is a plan and they are winging it.

He’s still a great coach when it comes to Xs and Os and game day. He just absolutely sucks at roster management and decisions like, ya know, appointing defensive guys to be OC for a year.

 

[Boston]

This team is weird.

It is starting to remind me of when Pitino was running the Celtics…when he took over everyone thought he was a genius and he made some crazy moves like signing Travis Knight but because we thought he was genius he got the benefit of the doubt and thought he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers…it went on for awhile than one day everyone realized he did not have a plan and it was actually a legit debacle…BB was the best in the business for close to two decades but right now I just don ‘t think there is a plan and they are winging it.

Last year when they allowed Patricia to run the offense is when I started to feel this way.

Yup…it is just so indefensible.

 

[Kraft...]

How we feeling about the 2022 draft? Looked promising last year, now looking like a pile of meh

 

[kyoun1e]

If Brian Hoyer ends up back in the building I'm done.

 

[Lansdowne]

Even “In Belichick We Trust” has an expiration date, and it’s starting to be rancid.

 

[Anarchy99]

They kept Douglas and Boutte. Released Ty Montgomery. Cody Davis and Trey Flowers stay on PUP and will miss at least 4 games. McDermott and Isaiah Bolden placed on season ending IR.

Link to all roster moves to get to 53 players.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

If Brian Hoyer ends up back in the building I'm done.

With how O'Connell looks this is a very likely scenario...

 

[Boston]

They kept Douglas and Boutte. Released Ty Montgomery. Cody Davis and Trey Flowers stay on PUP and will miss at least 4 games. McDermott and Isaiah Bolden placed on season ending IR.

Link to all roster moves to get to 53 players.

I will miss the Ty Montgomery looks great in camp stories.

 

[Lansdowne]

They kept Douglas and Boutte. Released Ty Montgomery. Cody Davis and Trey Flowers stay on PUP and will miss at least 4 games. McDermott and Isaiah Bolden placed on season ending IR.

Link to all roster moves to get to 53 players.

Sad about Bolden, was looking forward to seeing him this season.

 

[fuzzy_dunlop]

Let's see some predictions.. What's their record this year?

 

[Anarchy99]

Karen Guregian has indicated NE plans to add both Zappe and Cunningham to the practice squad unless other teams sign them.

 

[Anarchy99]

Let's see some predictions.. What's their record this year?

10-7

 

[Casting Couch]

Let's see some predictions.. What's their record this year?

10-7

7-10

 

[Boston]

Let's see some predictions.. What's their record this year?

6-11

 

[rockaction]

10-7