AngryPatriot
Footballguy
It's kind of a joke. It's hurt them when it counts before and they continue with the same games. Let's hope Gronk stays healthy or they do pick someone up. It's been quiet on the FA TE front.... Finley?? Doctor??
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
True- but maybe a bit more could've been done before 2 weeks left in the preseason. But you know I feel the same way with the WR's too. On the other hand... this team should still be a juggernaut on offense. Great to see Vereen back, Thompkins looks much improved, White is interesting, LaFell is coming around, Gronk taking contact....
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Dustin Keller still out there.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins have the chance to become impact players and rising stars if their defensive backfield remains healthy this year. Very excited for the defense.
The offense looks to have plenty of weapons even with Gronk not on the field. Basically no reason to keep Mallet as Garoppolo once again looked great, quick decisions and release. He also showed good pocket presence last night and he throws the best deep ball on the team.
The offense looks to have plenty of weapons even with Gronk not on the field. Basically no reason to keep Mallet as Garoppolo once again looked great, quick decisions and release. He also showed good pocket presence last night and he throws the best deep ball on the team.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Tommy Kelly, Will Smith, and James Anderson cut. Little surprised about the Kelly release given the depth at DT. Must be a good sign for Easley? Anderson cut a little surprising but maybe not with the continued emergence of Collins.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
holy ####
is mankins the surprise?
is mankins the surprise?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Is there something wrong with Mankins?
Workhorse
Footballguy
I'm stunned but maybe we should have seen this coming:
(1) Mankins, while still a productive player, has slipped a bit over the past several years and certainly isn't worth his existing contract.
(2) The Pats will need to free up a lot of space to extend Revis. This seems like the first domino to fall.
(3) NE has been looking for a "move TE" to replace Hernandez's skillset and may have found a guy in Wright.
(4) Belichick will always get rid of a guy too early rather than too late.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Hes on the wire in all my redraft leagues, even the one that requires you start two.
6'3", 220 lbs, 4.57 forty. Post an impressive rookie season, 54/571/5, caught 71% of his targets.
Can't believe we shipped Mankins for a fourth round pick and an undrafted TE.
He needs to bulk up.
6'3", 220 lbs, 4.57 forty. Post an impressive rookie season, 54/571/5, caught 71% of his targets.
Can't believe we shipped Mankins for a fourth round pick and an undrafted TE.
He needs to bulk up.
bostonfred
Footballguy
No Dante and no mankins... The d better be good...
I actually upgrade Edelman and vereen a little on this news and downgrade Dobson. Brady has had trouble against interior pressure throughout his career. When he doesn't have time he dumps to the outlet more. Vereen, Edelman and gronk should see more short targets. Dobson isn't target hog and shouldn't get many deep looks. He's worthless now. And the run game takes another hit.
I actually upgrade Edelman and vereen a little on this news and downgrade Dobson. Brady has had trouble against interior pressure throughout his career. When he doesn't have time he dumps to the outlet more. Vereen, Edelman and gronk should see more short targets. Dobson isn't target hog and shouldn't get many deep looks. He's worthless now. And the run game takes another hit.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
great move by the Pats if it means Revis stays with the team longer than this year
pats3in4
Footballguy
Mankins has struggled for quite some time in pass protection when someone lines up right on his head. His run blocking has always been superb and the Pats will miss that.
I hope his replacement isn't a step down in pass blocking. Wendell and Connolly aren't all that good in pass blocking and Brady doesn't move much, so what the Pats do to keep Brady from getting killed up the gut should be interesting.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
His replacement is likely Kline... Possibly Stork.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I was just listening to bb's weei spot and he says every year there's one or two dudes who make the roster based on pre 4
FIRE IT UP!!!!
FIRE IT UP!!!!
False Start
Footballguy
What makes you smarter than BB?bostonfred said:
Maybe BB saw something, maybe he saw someone else he has and can be what Mankins is doing now. The stats show Mankins is slipping.
Worthless? lmfao, the overreaction on this site is priceless.
False Start
Footballguy
People wont remember that, they will just see the name Mankins and think the worst for the Pats and completely forgetting BB is a roster move genius.Workhorse said:
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bostonfred
Footballguy
For redraft fantasy leagues? Yes, worthless. Dobson isn't draftable and is droppable in all formats. In nfl terms he still has value, but that's not what I was talking about. And I have no idea where the smarter than Belichick thing came from, but I think Belichick made a reasonable call here. He basically traded mankins and a few million in cap space for Revis, Wright and a fourth. Not a bad deal.
But whether mankins was slipping or not, they just have up a good veteran lineman during the same off-season they lost Dante. So that expedites the deterioration of the o line consistency they had over the years. I know they've dealt with injuries and swapped guys in and out in the past but without their long time offensive line coach I think they take a step back even if they have another mankins waiting in the wings. I don't think that decimated the offense or anything, but it's good top try to project the impact, and I think they will continue to emphasize the quick hit passing game the way they have every other time they've had to cover up o line problems in the past.
But by all means, continue overreacting to my post.
I don't know if this move will affect Dobson in the slightest, and I still think he's worthless.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Its been a LOOOONG time since they have won. I question his personnel decision making.JetMaxx said:
With virtually every offensive weapon they had spending the year on the shelf, they came up just shy of the Super Bowl on the backs of his bench guys. It was one of the best proofs of roster development and management I've had the pleasure of watching in my lifetime as an NFL fan. And that's coming from a Pats hater.
Are there Seattle fans who understand this game? It's a shame to have a team that good performing for the fanbase that's on display in these forums. :(
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
i could've said the same thing about the seahawks this time last year
edit: btw, could you guys stop cheating, plz?
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Run It Up
Footballguy
2014 Passing Projections - ready to eat crow, broken completions record incoming.
Brady: 5315/489/51
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Gronk: 900/80/11
Edelman: 900/90/8
Amendola: 700/75/5
Thompkins: 650/55/6
Dobson: 400/35/3
Lafell: 350/25/3
Vereen: 650/50/6
Ridley: 50/8/0
Devlin: 100/15/4
Wright: 400/30/3
Hooman: 75/10/0
Tyms: 90/8/1
White: 50/8/1
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Gronk: 900/80/11
Edelman: 900/90/8
Amendola: 700/75/5
Thompkins: 650/55/6
Dobson: 400/35/3
Lafell: 350/25/3
Vereen: 650/50/6
Ridley: 50/8/0
Devlin: 100/15/4
Wright: 400/30/3
Hooman: 75/10/0
Tyms: 90/8/1
White: 50/8/1
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Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
wow, monster year... add 55 for LaFell... Brady MVP!!
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I enjoy and agree with many of your posts BF, but I don't get the Dobson hate? He is absolutely worth a later round flyer in re-drafts and a definite hold in Dynasties. Even if he has done nothing and I wouldn't agree with that entirely, he has a boatload of potential in an awesome situation; getting or holding him for next to nothing is the shark move.
As for the trade, I am ok with it; Mankins has had a long history of playing his worst in the biggest games (particularly pass protection) and imho he is overpaid and overrated. They were kind of weak up the middle last year and while it wasn't mostly Mankins fault, he definitely wasn't playing up to his contract. They had Dante and Mankins last year and I really thought they played their worst in many, many years.
Having said that, he was a decent lineman and this seems like another not a going for it all this year type of move (not that we shouldn't expect that). I think the run blocking takes a bit of a hit, but I am not so sure the interior pass protection will be much worse than it was with him in there. Hopefully they spend the money wisely elsewhere and Tim Wright can handle the playbook. Lots of IFs, but no way was he worth what they have been paying him.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
It's not really Dobson hate. I like Dobson as a patriot and I see the upside in dynasty. And as a best ball guy, maybe he's worth a flier. But for this year I don't see him being startable in redraft.
Think of this, what would it take for you to put him in your lineup? Two good games in a row? Two out of three?
So maybe you starting him somewhere around week four, at the absolute earlies, but more likely it's later in the season. And then you're still worried about how much of his performance had been situational and how much is him actually emerging.
All that is fine, of course, if he's set up to succeed. But he isn't. With gronk back, Edelman looking good, vereen looking good, amendola healthy... I haven't got any idea what their gameplan week to week is going to look like except that I know it's going to change based on their opponent and I don't know how.
But that's still fine if he has one of those well defined, go to guy roles. But he hasn't even had time to develop the chemistry to become that guy. And all those other guys figure to see the field fairly often while they're all healthy, so he's going to have to earn his role in practice and limited snaps.
And now with a downgrade on the line - not just mankins, but the bigger issue of scarnecchia - they will be forced to go with more short passing and screens the way they always have in the past to cover up o line deficiencies. And that's not Dobson's game.
So I'm trying to figure out what the upside is here. Do you think he's got any real appeal as a redraft starter? How long are you willing to keep him on your bench waiting to emerge? How likely is he to be dropped by the guy who does take a flier on him, long before he gets a chance to flash? Guys like this hurt your team because you're afraid to drop him midseason and you either end up dropping someone with immediate value to keep him, or you draft a not ready for prime time player and when he predictably didn't hit the ground running, you drop him before he has a chance to show anything.
Leave him on the wire for the next guy. He's a negative asset.
Think of this, what would it take for you to put him in your lineup? Two good games in a row? Two out of three?
So maybe you starting him somewhere around week four, at the absolute earlies, but more likely it's later in the season. And then you're still worried about how much of his performance had been situational and how much is him actually emerging.
All that is fine, of course, if he's set up to succeed. But he isn't. With gronk back, Edelman looking good, vereen looking good, amendola healthy... I haven't got any idea what their gameplan week to week is going to look like except that I know it's going to change based on their opponent and I don't know how.
But that's still fine if he has one of those well defined, go to guy roles. But he hasn't even had time to develop the chemistry to become that guy. And all those other guys figure to see the field fairly often while they're all healthy, so he's going to have to earn his role in practice and limited snaps.
And now with a downgrade on the line - not just mankins, but the bigger issue of scarnecchia - they will be forced to go with more short passing and screens the way they always have in the past to cover up o line deficiencies. And that's not Dobson's game.
So I'm trying to figure out what the upside is here. Do you think he's got any real appeal as a redraft starter? How long are you willing to keep him on your bench waiting to emerge? How likely is he to be dropped by the guy who does take a flier on him, long before he gets a chance to flash? Guys like this hurt your team because you're afraid to drop him midseason and you either end up dropping someone with immediate value to keep him, or you draft a not ready for prime time player and when he predictably didn't hit the ground running, you drop him before he has a chance to show anything.
Leave him on the wire for the next guy. He's a negative asset.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Eating crow sooner than I expected. Idk why but I keep forgetting LaFell exists. Will have to reevaluate. Edit: changed.
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I am pretty confident that at least one of the following two statements is true:
1. Tom Brady is underrated this season.
2. As a group, on the whole, Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins, Brandon LaFell, Rob Gronwkowski, and Tim Wright are overrated this season.
It's possible that both are true.
1. Tom Brady is underrated this season.
2. As a group, on the whole, Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins, Brandon LaFell, Rob Gronwkowski, and Tim Wright are overrated this season.
It's possible that both are true.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
@ Brady holding for the XP. GOTTA HAVE VERSATILITY!!!!!?!?!!
Run It Up
Footballguy
Too bold Prediction - fake FG run with Brady somepoint this season.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
the more you can do
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I agree Brady is underrated (this year), but most of the others (aside from Vereen and Edelman) are probably going about where they should. FTR, I won't own any of the recs other than Gronk and maybe Dobson (and White or Gray) if I can get them late.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Multitask the franchise QB=cap savings=more 4th rd picks. James White FTW.the more you can do
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Gronk hurts Edelman and Amendola and helps Dobson imo. If the line can't protect that would hurt Dobson, but I don't think it will b much worse than last year.
You take him as a wr5 and see what happens, not much to lose.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
He did catch a nice TD... no Ridley tonight? Looks like he might survive. Good to see Wright involved already.
Boston
Footballguy
Patriot cuts...
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4767133/patriots-inform-boyce-others-of-release?ex_cid=espnapi_public
No real surprises...Boyce was not developing and they had no room to stash and wait for him...Bequette was a disappointment, liked that pick when they made it...would like to see Gray make it to the practice squad...Beaucharnais seemed to be a guy they liked but he's a goner as well...
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4767133/patriots-inform-boyce-others-of-release?ex_cid=espnapi_public
No real surprises...Boyce was not developing and they had no room to stash and wait for him...Bequette was a disappointment, liked that pick when they made it...would like to see Gray make it to the practice squad...Beaucharnais seemed to be a guy they liked but he's a goner as well...
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Beauheinie maybe ps
captain_amazing
Footballguy
Vollmer to gaurd and Cannon to RT, according to a report (think it was the Globe). That's a bit surprising.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Was really hoping to see a "Boyce 2 Men" headline in the Herald someday. Oh well.