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The Pats could save $1.6 million against the cap by cutting Amendola. Welker at this point should cost much more than that. Would the Pats rather have Welker or Amendola at this point?

I agree it would be unlikely, but Welker likely will have a limited market for low dollars and might want a last gasp at a ring. Maybe he burnt his bridges on his way out of town or maybe the media blew things out of proportion. Just a food for thought exploration.

 
Anarchy99 said:
The Pats could save $1.6 million against the cap by cutting Amendola. Welker at this point should cost much more than that. Would the Pats rather have Welker or Amendola at this point?

I agree it would be unlikely, but Welker likely will have a limited market for low dollars and might want a last gasp at a ring. Maybe he burnt his bridges on his way out of town or maybe the media blew things out of proportion. Just a food for thought exploration.
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No thanks, Welkers had a fine career, but he is not the player he once was and I would much rather have Amendola.

 
Amendola fared better in the post season, but he still is not worth $5.7 million a year. Not unless he has a serious uptick in production.

His cap hit the next two years after this one I'll be $6.6 million then $7.6 million. That's a lot of coin for 27-200-1 receiving.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Amendola fared better in the post season, but he still is not worth $5.7 million a year. Not unless he has a serious uptick in production.

His cap hit the next two years after this one I'll be $6.6 million then $7.6 million. That's a lot of coin for 27-200-1 receiving.
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Not sure why you don't want to include Amendolas 11 catches and 3 tds in the playoffs?

If cutting Amendola only saves NE 1.6mil I'm not sure they would be in a hurry to cut him now (all though im not sure what the future ramifications might be).

As far as letting Amendola go next year or making him restructure that is probably more likely than not, but either way I think they can do a lot better than Welker.

 
Welker is at a point where the miles and abuse he has accumulated will age him in dog years like is often seen with running backs after 30.

 
pats3in4 said:
Welker is at a point where the miles and abuse he has accumulated will age him in dog years like is often seen with running backs after 30.
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Honestly I want him to retire before he vegetates himself.

But if he would be willing to come to NE at the minimum, as depth, shot at another ring - I'd love it.

 
Run It Up said:
pats3in4 said:
Welker is at a point where the miles and abuse he has accumulated will age him in dog years like is often seen with running backs after 30.
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Honestly I want him to retire before he vegetates himself.

But if he would be willing to come to NE at the minimum, as depth, shot at another ring - I'd love it.
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As depth at this point. Edelman is basically Welker 2.0 by now.

I have mad respect for WRs who make their living running across the middle. Welker may be one of history's best in this regard. But can he continue to run those routes or will he become Mr. Quick Out or Mr. Bubble Screen from this point on? I picture slot CBs cheating to the outside on him, daring him to go across the middle where the next concussion awaits.

 
I think those concussions are manning induced

how many concussions did he have with brady in how many snaps vs manning?

I love amendola, but I kind of doubt he's worth 4.5m --- and that's what he's due, not 5.7m

5.7m is his cap number, which includes prorated bonus money already paid out

 
12punch said:
I think those concussions are manning induced

how many concussions did he have with brady in how many snaps vs manning?

I love amendola, but I kind of doubt he's worth 4.5m --- and that's what he's due, not 5.7m

5.7m is his cap number, which includes prorated bonus money already paid out
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But isn't he guaranteed almost 4m this season?

 
I don't think he has guaranteed money --- I think miguel's cap page has a kind of confusing column that could maybe be reworded.

anyway, he's already been paid a signing bonus that would need to be accounted for but I don't think they're on the hook for actual cash at this point unless he makes the roster week 1

edit: if cut his dead cap charge is 3 yrs of prorated bonus (1.2m) = 3.6m for no service

if kept he gets paid 4.5m and cap accounting adds this years chunk of 1.2m prorated signing bonus = 5.7m

 
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Amendola has a career best of 689 receiving yards and 3 TD (in the regular season). Maybe his performance in this year's post season might help him earn a better deal, but he has not proven to be a consistent producer or healthy on a regular basis.

 
miguel benzan, of patscap fame, does a little audio spot on a few cap related items

edit: just listened to it ---- hahaha....never heard miguel before, this guy cracks me up

 
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Get the #### out of here, Mike. Take a nap.

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick was a guest on The Late Show last night, and the segment was lighthearted and puffy, as are most of the interviews David Letterman conducts on his show. Obviously, Letterman made some jokes about the Ballghazi scandal, because David Letterman is a comedian and that's what he's supposed to do. No reasonable person should have strong opinions about this, but Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio is not always a reasonable person.

In an atypically long blog post on his site this morning, Florio expressed dismay at the fact that David Letterman, a comedian, didn't seize the opportunity to pepper Belichick with some hard-hitting questions about Ballghazi, a non-scandal:
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NFL Handled ‘Spygate’ Accusations Very Differently In 2006
The story comes from Len Pasquarelli, who reported on the NFL for ESPN for nearly a decade. He was tasked with tracking down the NFL’s investigation, or lack thereof, into several Dolphins players claiming to have purchased a tape of Tom Brady’s calls at the line of scrimmage. These players boasted that they bought game tape of the Patriots, which helped them win 21-0 in a December meeting.

So Pasquarelli looked into it, and he came up with this:
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Jimmy Garoppolo ‘Loves’ Tom Brady, Has ‘The It Factor,’ Says QB Guru


The Patriots ticked off fans, and possibly their starting quarterback initially, when they picked Jimmy Garoppolo with the No. 62 overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft, but looking at this year’s passer crop, it’s looking smarter by the day. “Oh, he’d definitely be top three,” Garoppolo’s quarterback guru Jeff Christensen told NESN.com when asked Friday at the NFL Scouting Combine where his disciple would rank in this year’s class. “He could be anywhere from one to top three. I don’t think that any of these guys have any huge, huge advantage over him at all, when you put everything on the equation, because the reality of it, until Winston grows up, it’s a crapshoot. It’s a crapshoot. Talented kid, right? Well, last time I checked, wasn’t Ryan Leaf — he was talented too, right?” Character is not an issue for Garoppolo, whose nightlife is so boring that he didn’t even leave the town of Foxboro, Mass., during his first month with the Patriots. Christensen values intangibles over all other traits with his quarterbacks, and he says it’s Garoppolo’s No. 1 strength

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/02/jimmy-garoppolo-loves-tom-brady-has-the-it-factor-says-qb-guru/
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In 2013, the NFL salary cap was set at $123 million. The Patriots' cash spending, according to sources not affiliated with the Patriots who track figures for all NFL clubs, was $129,656,000.

In 2012, when the NFL salary cap was set at $120.6 million, the Patriots' cash spending was about $168 million.

In 2011, with a salary cap of $120 million, the team's cash spending was around $130 million.

And in the 2010 uncapped year, the Patriots' cash spending was $151 million.
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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10586646/new-england-patriots-spent-free-agents-not-wisely

 
12punch said:
In 2013, the NFL salary cap was set at $123 million. The Patriots' cash spending, according to sources not affiliated with the Patriots who track figures for all NFL clubs, was $129,656,000.

In 2012, when the NFL salary cap was set at $120.6 million, the Patriots' cash spending was about $168 million.

In 2011, with a salary cap of $120 million, the team's cash spending was around $130 million.

And in the 2010 uncapped year, the Patriots' cash spending was $151 million.
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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10586646/new-england-patriots-spent-free-agents-not-wisely
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*cough* draft weapons *cough*

 
Interesting stat I saw. In the BB era, the Pats are 160-12 (.930) when scoring 23 points or more. I am guessing other teams win a lot when they score they many points, but that seemed like a crazy high winning percentage.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/02/22/sunday-nfl-notes-nick-caserio-looks-ahead-to-offseason-proclaims-our-team-is-going-to-be-different/

Also noteworthy. NE was the first team to make the SB without having a player with 100 carries in the regular season.

 
Pats said to have interest in Percy Harvin should the Jets release him. Not sure how they plan on paying him given they are up against (or over) the cap. Harvin doesn't strike me as the type of playing for peanuts to try to win a ring.

 
If they can get Harvin on the cheap I think he can actually contribute at an elite level in NE.

But he has that toxicity involved, hes gotta lose that - typically winning makes that go away.

That being said, id rather they just took a WR in the draft.

 
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Run It Up said:
If they can get Harvin on the cheap I think he can actually contribute at an elite level in NE.

But he has that toxicity involved, hes gotta lose that - typically winning makes that go away.

That being said, id rather they just took a WR in the draft.
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They could very well do both. That's the thing with New England, they would sign Harvin and cut his ### 2 weeks later and nobody would raise an eyebrow.

 
Walter Football, who swings and misses a lot in my experience, says Pats go TE or WR.

They have had Coates slated for NE at 32 for a while.

I'd really like that pick, but we all know they will take some hurt Guard from the SEC or some workout freak that plays Safety from the Sun Belt and probably be right in the end.

 
Too early to discuss draft possibilities until the Pats sort out who stays and who goes from last year. If Revis or McCourty are gone, DB goes to the head of the class. If they cut Vince, DL shoots up the draft board. Depending upon what they think of Dobson, WR could be a priority. And OL is always in vogue for the Pats. We will know a lot more after free agency starts.

 
The Ref said:
Walter Football, who swings and misses a lot in my experience, says Pats go TE or WR.

They have had Coates slated for NE at 32 for a while.

I'd really like that pick, but we all know they will take some hurt Guard from the SEC or some workout freak that plays Safety from the Sun Belt and probably be right in the end.
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Of all the mocks I've seen, this selection makes the least sense to me, for a few reasons.

1. NE offense is not built to be a down the field attack. That's not Brady's forte, That's not the O-line's forte. And it's not the receiving corps forte.

NE is as adaptable as any offense I've seen, so this could always change. The o-line generally holds up well in a precision passing attack, but if called on to create a clean pocket for 4-5 seconds for a more vertical passing attack, I think they would have problems.

Brady's deep ball is not particularly accurate. He's great in the precision game, but often misses deep.

2. Getting Brady more top of the draft weapons is not what NE does.

Brady has shown tremendous ability to move an offense with good but not great skill players. With the team makeup as it currently sits, WR is not a particular need. Many "experts" look at the NE offense and see a lack of speed/deep threat WR, and say that's what they're missing. I view the NE offense as designed to utilize the talent they have on hand, and not one that is lacking anything. In other words, if they had a deep threat guy, they would rework the offense to leverage that skillset, but it's not a skillset that is necessary for them to be successful.

3. Even if 1 & 2 above weren't the case, Coates is not the guy to get.

NE rarely falls in love with measurables. Coates has all the measurables, but has not been terribly productive at the college level. 42 & 34 catches ( granted, for a 21 y/r avg ). Questionable hands. Limited routes. Basically, Coates appears to be a one-trick pony, and that isn't usually where NE will spend top picks.

 
Per Roto, Mccourty would be okay with franchise tag.

Thats a relief, I was worried he wouldn't want to play for the best team in the league and be one of the highest paid safeties in the game.

 
Run It Up said:
Per Roto, Mccourty would be okay with franchise tag.

Thats a relief, I was worried he wouldn't want to play for the best team in the league and be one of the highest paid safeties in the game.
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lol

my spidey sense is detecting sarcasm, but to be fair about it, the tag generally isn't that great for either side.

they'll generally just use it to keep guys off the market while they can work out a longer deal --- at least that's my hope.

 
12punch said:
Run It Up said:
Per Roto, Mccourty would be okay with franchise tag.

Thats a relief, I was worried he wouldn't want to play for the best team in the league and be one of the highest paid safeties in the game.
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lol

my spidey sense is detecting sarcasm, but to be fair about it, the tag generally isn't that great for either side.

they'll generally just use it to keep guys off the market while they can work out a longer deal --- at least that's my hope.
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Same, I'm just glad he seems to have a legitimate desire to play with NE, clearly ignoring the Wes Welker chapter in negotiations.

 
seems like cameron erving and tre jackson from fla state getting some buzz as pats prospects

aj cann?

nate orchard?

 
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well, I'm not saying these guys are all the same, but pats let wooodhead walk for 2y/3m and blount at 2y/4m, and I don't think any of us know how white is coming along.

 
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