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KarmaPolice
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I say Jax. That D is tough, but they have been giving up stats the last few weeks. I think NE has enough weapons they can figure something out. Bortles vs BB I will take anytime.
That said, Pitts/NE is too fun every year, and maybe if they lose Ben will decide to hang 'em up.
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I think it’s a toss up as I do fear the Jaguars defense. That said the Steelers should have beaten the Patriots a few weeks back and that was w/out Antonio Brown. I guess if I had to pick between the two I’d rather face the Jag’s, but neither team will be a cake walk.SengerCJ said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So boring....need peyton manning in the league to keep the pats honest. They roll to superbowl title easily.
Bossman
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Takeaways from the game last weekend;
Offensive line is looking good - Hopefully they hold up vs a better JAX squad
Amendola looks to be in full playoff form and is again Bradys "go to" without Edleman available.
Hogan, White right back into the mix. Certainly helped lighten the load for 87.
Cooks not as involved so much. NE never really had the need to go deep ... and I suppose Cooks draws the top CB so Brady goes elsewhere.
Defense line stopping the run and making noise with pressure / sacks. If they're able to keep this up, should be a cakewalk the rest of the way.
Surprised Mariota wasn't able to run more. Figured that is where TEN would make hay. Scrambling QB's always gives NE and Belichick fits. Pocket collapsing on all 3 sides made that threat non-existent.
Offensive line is looking good - Hopefully they hold up vs a better JAX squad
Amendola looks to be in full playoff form and is again Bradys "go to" without Edleman available.
Hogan, White right back into the mix. Certainly helped lighten the load for 87.
Cooks not as involved so much. NE never really had the need to go deep ... and I suppose Cooks draws the top CB so Brady goes elsewhere.
Defense line stopping the run and making noise with pressure / sacks. If they're able to keep this up, should be a cakewalk the rest of the way.
Surprised Mariota wasn't able to run more. Figured that is where TEN would make hay. Scrambling QB's always gives NE and Belichick fits. Pocket collapsing on all 3 sides made that threat non-existent.
Anarchy99
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NE_REVIVAL
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Some great stuff there!
Since 2001, NE has virtual the same winning pct vs the rest of the league as they do vs the afc east and for good measure they have a better winning pct vs afc north than the oft claimed weak afc east. It is truly amazing what they have accomplished; do they have one more in them? We shall see.........
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Wow... this one stuck:
In the past 10 years, the Patriots have been an underdog a league-low 20 times, and that number should probably be lower. They’re 11-9 in those games—in wins and losses, not against the spread.
NE_REVIVAL
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It a shame, Mitchell is a good player, i know some would argue but i considered him their 3rd best wr coming into this yr.
Nothing like having the Cleveland Browns in a division to inflate the winning pct of their opponents.
I expect many teams have an unusually high win pct against that division.
Pats aren’t playing the Browns every year. They only get the Browns every three years unless the Browns are in first/second place in their division.
The unbalanced schedule means teams play one NFC division, one AFC division and then the better teams in other divisions.
So Pats are matching up with the Browns once every three years.
Just saw the link in the original post and 24 games are against Bal/Pit while 13 are against either Clv/Cin.
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Casting Couch
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NE_REVIVAL
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Ugh, not good.
Updating an earlier report, Tom Brady hurt his right hand during Wednesday's practice.
According to Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald, Brady jammed his hand after a teammate accidentally ran into him. Brady went for X-rays but was cleared of any structural damage. It's never good when a quarterback hurts his throwing hand, but we'd still expect Brady to be under center for Sunday's AFC Championship tilt versus Jacksonville. Jan 17 - 6:09 PM
Tomorrows practice will probably say a lot.
Updating an earlier report, Tom Brady hurt his right hand during Wednesday's practice.
According to Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald, Brady jammed his hand after a teammate accidentally ran into him. Brady went for X-rays but was cleared of any structural damage. It's never good when a quarterback hurts his throwing hand, but we'd still expect Brady to be under center for Sunday's AFC Championship tilt versus Jacksonville. Jan 17 - 6:09 PM
Tomorrows practice will probably say a lot.
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Anarchy99
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Never good news when a QB injures his throwing hand. They won't say anything tomorrow other than he was limited in practice. No way will they discuss this in any detail.
Hopefully he will be able to grip the ball properly and still be accurate. Obviously it depends what he injured, but a sprained thumb could be a big problem.
AngryPatriot
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What player did it..? Because I'd like to have Sir Brad show him a private tour of the pit of misery. blah, Brady will be fine and they should roll, dilly dilly!
JuniorGong
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Bossman
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If the story of Brady / Kraft forcing the trade of JG is true, ... this sure does prove BB right again for wanting to keep him.
This seems like a pretty big "I told you so" from Belichick to Kraft.
Bossman
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Listening to local sports radio today and they were saying how this is one of the worst Belechick / Brady Patriots teams to make it to a SB.
They mentioned this years team only being better than the 2011 team. Is that the year they lost Welker with a knee?
... and they're favored by 5.5 points against the best the NFC has to offer. What has this league become?
They mentioned this years team only being better than the 2011 team. Is that the year they lost Welker with a knee?
... and they're favored by 5.5 points against the best the NFC has to offer. What has this league become?
Anarchy99
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No. That was the SB with the Welker drop that probably would have iced the game for NE.
NE_REVIVAL
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Friend of mine pointed out an interesting pattern with re to SB opponents and NE trying to duplicate winning 3 out of 4 SBs.
In 01 it was NFC West STL, 03 NFC South CAR and 04 NFC East PHI
In 2014 it was NFC West SEA, 2016 NFC South ATL and 2017 NFC East PHI
Good omen perhaps?
In 01 it was NFC West STL, 03 NFC South CAR and 04 NFC East PHI
In 2014 it was NFC West SEA, 2016 NFC South ATL and 2017 NFC East PHI
Good omen perhaps?
Anarchy99
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Watched the Falcons SB again and it struck me more this time around how insane some of Brady’s passes were at the end of the game. Literally inches away from defenders and in a six inch window. Multiple times. You couldn’t have had better coverage. Sure, the Falcons play calling on offense was questionable, but they ran into a buzz saw in Brady. Not sure it mattered which team he was facing.
Boston
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The footage of BB looking at the Seattle sideline when deciding whether to call a time-out prior to the Butler int maybe the greatest footage ever taken of a Coach...listening to what was going on while he was deciding what to do is pure Patriot porn...one of my all-time favorite moments during this run...
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JetMaxx
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Question to locals:
* Where the hell is Chris Hogan?
Hogan was such a huge part of the game plan and overall production earlier in the season. He got banged up and his presence really hasn't been felt since.
Is Hogan just not effective right now? Or is Amendola just balling out and being a better option for Brady.
* Where the hell is Chris Hogan?
Hogan was such a huge part of the game plan and overall production earlier in the season. He got banged up and his presence really hasn't been felt since.
Is Hogan just not effective right now? Or is Amendola just balling out and being a better option for Brady.
Boston
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Funny you mention him because I see him as a real x-factor next Sunday...it really appears he is still banged up...he had a legit injury and has not been anywhere close to what he is since he came back...I am hoping he really benefits from the two week lay off because if he has his A-game going it would really add another dimension to this offense...
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bostonfred
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msommer
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Anarchy99
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Based on DVOA as a metric, theee of the top four NE teams (and 5 of the top 10) were from the trough in between SB runs. Remember that DVOA is not based on final outcomes but instead is based on the performance across an entire season.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22228210/nfl-ranking-best-new-england-patriots-teams-tom-brady-bill-belichick-era-1-16
Some of the other years had teams with an inordinate amount of injuries (including the year with Brady out for the year). IMO, NE didn’t really realize a ton of drop off after the first time they lost both their coordinators. Even though they didn’t win a SB in the 05-13 timeframe, they still averaged 12.3 wins per year.
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I think the points that Anarchy and kyoun1e making are 1) The Patriots are an organization that has succession planning in place and 2) that the margins of getting to a Super Bowl, and winning it, are so thin that one coordinator (or two) having a lot of success (e.g. Josh Daniels and Matt Patricia) isn't indicative that others in the same system won't, and that it was indeed not the fault of Dean Pees that David Tyree caught a ball on his helmet shortly after Eli Manning wrestled free of four pass rushers who all had their hands on him
JohnnyU
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I'm just saying losing both your coordinators isn't minor and cannot be brushed off as insignificant because they are the Patriots.
msommer
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To which the counterargument would be that they have done it before (2006. They went 12-4 in the regular season, losing to the Colts in the AFCCG).
We'll see if they can do it again
Anarchy99
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What defines "significant," "insignificant," or "minor?"
Here is the historical breakdown of the NE coordinators from 2001 on, including all regular season and post season games. As such, all games are equal and there is no emphasis on the playoffs or whether they won or did not win a championship each season.
OFFENSE
Weis (2001 - 2004): 57-16 (.781), 24 ppg scored
McDaniels Stint 1 (2005 - 2008): 54-18 (.750), 27.3 ppg scored
O'Brien (2009 - 2011): 39-14 (.736), 29.8 ppg scored
McDaniels Stint 2 (2012 - 2017): 86-24 (.782), 29.7 ppg scored
DEFENSE
Crennel (2001 - 2004): 57-16 (.781), 17.3 ppg allowed
Mangini (2005): 11-7 (.611), 20.4 ppg allowed
Pees (2006 - 2009): 53-18 (.746), 17.8 ppg allowed
No Defensive Coordinator (2010 - 2011): 29-7 (.806), 20.4 ppg allowed
Patricia (2012 - 2017): 86-24 (.782), 19.5 ppg allowed
With the exception of the one season with Mangini as DC, all the other coordinators were basically winning at a 12-4 rate or slightly better. IMO, not a huge difference in any of them. Heck, their best stretch percentage wise was then DIDN'T HAVE a defensive coordinator (although they gave up a few more points per game without one).
Yes, they had a 9 year span without winning a SB in the middle, but unless we are going to say that coordinators win or lose playoff games then they coordinators overall have been just as consistent as the team has been.
So while I agree next year the team may look and feel a little different with different coordinators, as long as BB is there I doubt that the outcome will be dramatically different. And with a bunch of guys that went on IR coming back next year, IMO the pats will start the season stronger than they are now (which at a minimum was AFC champ worthy).
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Neither one will be a devastating loss but I think losing McDaniels will have more of an impact than losing Patricia.
IMO there's more to knowing when and where to be calling the right offensive plays and being in sync with the QB.
But maybe the next guy will be better at it than Josh.
D-coordinator seems like a much simpler task ... running the system that BB already has put in place.
IMO there's more to knowing when and where to be calling the right offensive plays and being in sync with the QB.
But maybe the next guy will be better at it than Josh.
D-coordinator seems like a much simpler task ... running the system that BB already has put in place.
msommer
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brun
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IMO, Superbowl winner rings have stupid for a while now. Blank can have a more tasteful, less offensive ring designed when the Falcons win.
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That poor *******...he is such an insane competitor...gotta be killing him not to be playing...
