Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (5 Viewers)

[Bossman]

Let us not forget that losing games this year is a good thing.
If Maye gives them a better chance to win then stick with Brissette.
A top 3 draft pick should fetch them a nice haul of later draft picks.
Lots of holes to fill and much better talent is needed on this roster before they can make a legitimate run at a championship.
Embrace the Suck!

 

[Mingooch]

Unless it is a killer haul, I dont even want to trade back next year. I want the LT that will start to solidify this line.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Let us not forget that losing games this year is a good thing.
If Maye gives them a better chance to win then stick with Brissette.
A top 3 draft pick should fetch them a nice haul of later draft picks.
Lots of holes to fill and much better talent is needed on this roster before they can make a legitimate run at a championship.
Embrace the Suck!

This is the way.

Thursday night was a glimmer of hope. The throw he stuck on Baker on the in-breaking route was good. The downfield pass was perfect even if Baker didn't haul it in. Brissett on the other hand looked pretty bad. I'm aware it's pretty foolish to try and read too much into one preseason game but-- Maye will be starting less than 6 games in. I'd thought Maye would sit the whole year but that seems less likely.

From a fantasy football standpoint, they're all avoids this year. Even my optimism for HH to be a sneaky low end TE1 feels like abandon ship time.

It's going to be panda watch on tackles for next year's draft for me.

 

[Boston]

Let us not forget that losing games this year is a good thing.
If Maye gives them a better chance to win then stick with Brissette.
A top 3 draft pick should fetch them a nice haul of later draft picks.
Lots of holes to fill and much better talent is needed on this roster before they can make a legitimate run at a championship.
Embrace the Suck!

This is the way.

Thursday night was a glimmer of hope. The throw he stuck on Baker on the in-breaking route was good. The downfield pass was perfect even if Baker didn't haul it in. Brissett on the other hand looked pretty bad. I'm aware it's pretty foolish to try and read too much into one preseason game but-- Maye will be starting less than 6 games in. I'd thought Maye would sit the whole year but that seems less likely.

From a fantasy football standpoint, they're all avoids this year. Even my optimism for HH to be a sneaky low end TE1 feels like abandon ship time.

It's going to be panda watch on tackles for next year's draft for me.

Yup...would add in a legit #1 WR and quality young TE as well...hell, would just say offense in general because Andrews is nearing the end and it's not like G is being manned by All-Pros (especially if Mike O ends up back at RT).

 

[Anarchy99]

Let us not forget that losing games this year is a good thing.
If Maye gives them a better chance to win then stick with Brissette.
A top 3 draft pick should fetch them a nice haul of later draft picks.
Lots of holes to fill and much better talent is needed on this roster before they can make a legitimate run at a championship.
Embrace the Suck!

This is the way.

Thursday night was a glimmer of hope. The throw he stuck on Baker on the in-breaking route was good. The downfield pass was perfect even if Baker didn't haul it in. Brissett on the other hand looked pretty bad. I'm aware it's pretty foolish to try and read too much into one preseason game but-- Maye will be starting less than 6 games in. I'd thought Maye would sit the whole year but that seems less likely.

From a fantasy football standpoint, they're all avoids this year. Even my optimism for HH to be a sneaky low end TE1 feels like abandon ship time.

It's going to be panda watch on tackles for next year's draft for me.

If people believe Bert Breer, NE has PTSD after what happened to Mac to the point that the plan is to sit Maye the entire season. That's potentially one of the reasons they still have Zappe around. They don't want to take any chances in ruining Maye. He hasn't been practicing with the starters, and the game against the Eagles was the first snaps he took with them (one drive). Leaving the game the other night out of it, he hasn't looked very good in practice and has taken a ton of sacks and had multiple turnovers. As far as the game goes, he had the one good deep ball to Baker and that was about it. In the second half, he was playing against guys that won't even be in the league after next week and couldn't move the ball. I don't really believe Mayo saying that there's a competition for QB, but what else is he going to say?

 

[greenmountaingoat]

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If people believe Bert Breer, NE has PTSD after what happened to Mac to the point that the plan is to sit Maye the entire season. That's potentially one of the reasons they still have Zappe around. They don't want to take any chances in ruining Maye. He hasn't been practicing with the starters, and the game against the Eagles was the first snaps he took with them (one drive). Leaving the game the other night out of it, he hasn't looked very good in practice and has taken a ton of sacks and had multiple turnovers. As far as the game goes, he had the one good deep ball to Baker and that was about it. In the second half, he was playing against guys that won't even be in the league after next week and couldn't move the ball. I don't really believe Mayo saying that there's a competition for QB, but what else is he going to say?

Waldman's been saying it from the jump that Maye needed as close to the Jordan Love plan as we could provide. His low dynasty ranking was (at least largely driven by) the belief that Maye's physical gifts and high draft capital would drive a team to push him onto the field before he was ready.

I would be perfectly happy to see Maye sit the whole year. My comment was simply based on seeing two good things from Maye which was more than I'd seen before that. I find throwing drill and 7 on 7 highlights to be borderline depressing. It's the football equivalent of eating skittles for a meal.

 

[Boston]

Curran's practice report: Maye works with Pats' starting o-line

Sunday's Patriots practice featured a notable development involving rookie quarterback Drake Maye. Tom E. Curran has the details.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Boston]

Perry: Why Patriots traded Judon to Falcons instead of Bears

Both the Falcons and Bears offered the Patriots a third-round pick for Matthew Judon. Phil Perry details why Eliot Wolf and Co. dealt Judon to Atlanta.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Boston]

Giardi keeping 7 WRs om his most recent 53:

WIDE RECEIVER (7): DeMario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, K.J. Osborn, Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boutte, Javon Baker.

PUP: Kendrick Bourne

Thornton continues to rep with the ones. He's not been as consistent as Boutte. Therefore, I'm still keeping seven, even though that's unusual. But as I wrote in the comments last week, they don't have a cut-and-dried 53. I'm willing to place a low-risk bet on a second-rounder with speed in the 4.2s, hoping against hope that he pops.

Baker was subpar on Thursday, and it went far beyond the drop. He got bullied multiple times, including on the go route, which was well-thrown by Maye. I'm not sure if you noticed, but the folks on the beat taking their pants off for Baker got really quiet this weekend. Again, there's lots of promise, but he needs a bounceback week.

I still would like to see more from Osborn. He played on Thursday but didn't do anything of note.

 

[kyoun1e]

Giardi keeping 7 WRs om his most recent 53:

WIDE RECEIVER (7): DeMario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, K.J. Osborn, Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boutte, Javon Baker.

PUP: Kendrick Bourne

Thornton continues to rep with the ones. He's not been as consistent as Boutte. Therefore, I'm still keeping seven, even though that's unusual. But as I wrote in the comments last week, they don't have a cut-and-dried 53. I'm willing to place a low-risk bet on a second-rounder with speed in the 4.2s, hoping against hope that he pops.

Baker was subpar on Thursday, and it went far beyond the drop. He got bullied multiple times, including on the go route, which was well-thrown by Maye. I'm not sure if you noticed, but the folks on the beat taking their pants off for Baker got really quiet this weekend. Again, there's lots of promise, but he needs a bounceback week.

I still would like to see more from Osborn. He played on Thursday but didn't do anything of note.

Honestly, I'd personally give the likes of Thornton and Boutte another shot at this. I mean, what do we really have to lose by going with the younger guys?

Gun to head, I'd get rid of KJ Osborn to keep the others.

Hell, we're winning how many games this year? Let the younger guys grow.

 

[Boston]

Giardi keeping 7 WRs om his most recent 53:

WIDE RECEIVER (7): DeMario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, K.J. Osborn, Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boutte, Javon Baker.

PUP: Kendrick Bourne

Thornton continues to rep with the ones. He's not been as consistent as Boutte. Therefore, I'm still keeping seven, even though that's unusual. But as I wrote in the comments last week, they don't have a cut-and-dried 53. I'm willing to place a low-risk bet on a second-rounder with speed in the 4.2s, hoping against hope that he pops.

Baker was subpar on Thursday, and it went far beyond the drop. He got bullied multiple times, including on the go route, which was well-thrown by Maye. I'm not sure if you noticed, but the folks on the beat taking their pants off for Baker got really quiet this weekend. Again, there's lots of promise, but he needs a bounceback week.

I still would like to see more from Osborn. He played on Thursday but didn't do anything of note.

Honestly, I'd personally give the likes of Thornton and Boutte another shot at this. I mean, what do we really have to lose by going with the younger guys?

Gun to head, I'd get rid of KJ Osborn to keep the others.

Hell, we're winning how many games this year? Let the younger guys grow.

Feels like that it is Giardi's thinking...this is a rebuilding year so keep them both (at least at the beginning of the season) and see if one of them pops...I'm pretty sure the Pats don't have their future #1 currently on the roster but if they could get pretty much the rest of the unit squared away that would give them more flexibility moving forward.

 

[Anarchy99]

As far as the WR's go, if they don't play Maye much, is that really developing the WR's? Here are their ages they will be during the season: Bourne - 29, Osborn - 27 - Reagor - 25, Douglas - 24, Thornton - 24, Boutte - 22, Baker - 22, Polk - 22. I guess it depends where they want to draw a line in the sand in terms of being a competitive team again. 2025 (probably not)? 2026 (maybe)?

Having too many of them on the roster and dividing the snaps into small rations likely won't truly end up reflecting all that much in terms of whether any of them can develop into something (especially if they stick with Brissett). IMO, it's possible they could try to get Thornton or Boutte on the practice squad (with Bourne on the PUP). That would leave Douglas, Osborn, Polk, Baker, Reagor on the main roster. Baker has seen his stock fall off the last week or two (and it's been reported he's probably WR4 or 5 without considering Bourne). I think they are going to end up with a lot of guys that for now or young and inexperienced with none of them seeing enough snaps to really stand out . . . and then what? Is this whole season going to boil down to see if they could find a capable WR2 and a WR3?

 

[Boston]

As far as the WR's go, if they don't play Maye much, is that really developing the WR's? Here are their ages they will be during the season: Bourne - 29, Osborn - 27 - Reagor - 25, Douglas - 24, Thornton - 24, Boutte - 22, Baker - 22, Polk - 22. I guess it depends where they want to draw a line in the sand in terms of being a competitive team again. 2025 (probably not)? 2026 (maybe)?

Having too many of them on the roster and dividing the snaps into small rations likely won't truly end up reflecting all that much in terms of whether any of them can develop into something (especially if they stick with Brissett). IMO, it's possible they could try to get Thornton or Boutte on the practice squad (with Bourne on the PUP). That would leave Douglas, Osborn, Polk, Baker, Reagor on the main roster. Baker has seen his stock fall off the last week or two (and it's been reported he's probably WR4 or 5 without considering Bourne). I think they are going to end up with a lot of guys that for now or young and inexperienced with none of them seeing enough snaps to really stand out . . . and then what? Is this whole season going to boil down to see if they could find a capable WR2 and a WR3?

Come on…when it comes to developing WRs you know exactly who we are talking about…Polk-Baker-Pop and possibly Boutte and Thornton…2 are rookies, 2 are second year players and one is a third year player who is still a project…and 100% you can develop them while Maye is sitting…why wouldn’t you be able to…there is more to learning this craft than simply playing with Maye during real games unless you think practice is meaningless for your young players…Brissett is what he is but he he also a professional who a youngster can work with…this is not a good team this year and IMO it is all about developing a foundation for the future and while Maye is by far the most important player if players like the ones mentioned above develop you gain more flexibility in the rebuild and are a step close to being relevant again…unfortunately due to the mismanagement of the post-Brady years this is the spot they are in.

 

[Boston]

Breer details Pats' behind-the-scenes issues with Judon before trade

There was more to the Patriots’ decision to trade Matthew Judon than just a contract dispute, according to Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[kyoun1e]

Have yet to consume any local sports media this morning but I've got to think the drumbeat gets louder for Maye to start after last night.

And a Brissett injury could complicate any plan they had previously as well.

I really don't want him to start for a few weeks. The proper thing to do is to stick to whatever "development plan" they have in place. All that said, there is no question in my mind that Maye gives them a better chance to win week 1. You could see it on that 3rd down scramble, the touch throws, and his playmaking ability on that TD throw that was called back due to the O line penalty.

If I was Mayo, I'd announce the starting QB as soon as possible and get it over with.

 

[Anarchy99]

Have yet to consume any local sports media this morning but I've got to think the drumbeat gets louder for Maye to start after last night.

And a Brissett injury could complicate any plan they had previously as well.

I really don't want him to start for a few weeks. The proper thing to do is to stick to whatever "development plan" they have in place. All that said, there is no question in my mind that Maye gives them a better chance to win week 1. You could see it on that 3rd down scramble, the touch throws, and his playmaking ability on that TD throw that was called back due to the O line penalty.

If I was Mayo, I'd announce the starting QB as soon as possible and get it over with.

Mayo said Maye is NE's 2nd best quarterback last night. Not sure he needs to announce much more beyond that. I don't believe Brissett left the field for treatment, and IIRC, he was still on the sidelines for the second half. If he had a serious injury, he would have gone back into the locker room and never come back. Mayo said Brissett would have been able to continue but he was coming out of the game after that drive anyway. Mayo spoke to Brissett this morning and the QB said he was good. Van Pelt has sounded like the plan is to stick with Brissett and that there hasn't really been a competition . . . so I would be really surprised if Maye starts any time soon unless there is an injury to Brissett (which there certainly is a chance of happening).

 

[Boston]

Have yet to consume any local sports media this morning but I've got to think the drumbeat gets louder for Maye to start after last night.

And a Brissett injury could complicate any plan they had previously as well.

I really don't want him to start for a few weeks. The proper thing to do is to stick to whatever "development plan" they have in place. All that said, there is no question in my mind that Maye gives them a better chance to win week 1. You could see it on that 3rd down scramble, the touch throws, and his playmaking ability on that TD throw that was called back due to the O line penalty.

If I was Mayo, I'd announce the starting QB as soon as possible and get it over with.

So far so good with Maye...loving what I am seeing with the kid (and he is a kid...especially when you compare him to Daniels-Nix-Penix)...looking like the Pats have their QB-of-the-future which means this franchise can now move forward which is a relief...AVP is still an unknown and for some reason there are members of the media that seem personally offended about the limited action in week 1 against Carolina but right now the "Maye plan" is working and there is no reason to deviate from it...no doubt Maye will be starting at some point this year, it's just a shame the state of the O line has to play such a big factor in this decision...it's 8/26 so there is only so much you can do to correct it but they need to figure out how to get it to a level where you are at least comfortable Maye will not get hurt (how sad is that)..anyway, besides the fact Maye looks legit it looks like the Pats finally get a mobil QB that many fans have been dying for since the last one they had was pre-neck-guard Steve Grogan.

 

[Anarchy99]

looking like the Pats have their QB-of-the-future which means this franchise can now move forward which is a relief.

IMO, this is wishful thinking and something no one could possibly know at this point. Sure, Maye has looked good on two drives in the preseason (one in each game) . . . against defenders that won't be in the league in the next 24-48 hours. NE had to play their starters against the Commanders third string defense. On other drives, the offense did very little. Using a he's-looked-good-in-the-preseason storyline, does this mean Mac Jones really is an NFL-worthy starting QB with upside because on how he's looked on the Jags so far? I fear for whoever the QB is once the lights go on for real against defensive starting units with actual defensive play calling. With 3 of the first 4 games on the road against CIN, NYJ, and SFO, they are at risk of losing early and often.

 

[Boston]

looking like the Pats have their QB-of-the-future which means this franchise can now move forward which is a relief.

IMO, this is wishful thinking and something no one could possibly know at this point. Sure, Maye has looked good on two drives in the preseason (one in each game) . . . against defenders that won't be in the league in the next 24-48 hours. NE had to play their starters against the Commanders third string defense. On other drives, the offense did very little. Using a he's-looked-good-in-the-preseason storyline, does this mean Mac Jones really is an NFL-worthy starting QB with upside because on how he's looked on the Jags so far? I fear for whoever the QB is once the lights go on for real against defensive starting units with actual defensive play calling. With 3 of the first 4 games on the road against CIN, NYJ, and SFO, they are at risk of losing early and often.

Is it a definite...no...but unlike Mac who was limited physically, Maye has all the physical tools that you want to see from a #3 overall pick and for right now I am very confident they can move forward with him and not have to worry about the QB position...could that change in 2-3 seasons...absolutely...we have seen that scenario plenty of times in the NFL and their coaching staff is still a complete wildcard...but right now I am confident that this rebuild can concentrate on other areas of the team this offseason (and there is plenty to concentrate on) and don't have to be chasing a QB which IMO means there is some light at the end of this long tunnel BB put them in.

 

[Anarchy99]

looking like the Pats have their QB-of-the-future which means this franchise can now move forward which is a relief.

IMO, this is wishful thinking and something no one could possibly know at this point. Sure, Maye has looked good on two drives in the preseason (one in each game) . . . against defenders that won't be in the league in the next 24-48 hours. NE had to play their starters against the Commanders third string defense. On other drives, the offense did very little. Using a he's-looked-good-in-the-preseason storyline, does this mean Mac Jones really is an NFL-worthy starting QB with upside because on how he's looked on the Jags so far? I fear for whoever the QB is once the lights go on for real against defensive starting units with actual defensive play calling. With 3 of the first 4 games on the road against CIN, NYJ, and SFO, they are at risk of losing early and often.

Is it a definite...no...but unlike Mac who was limited physically, Maye has all the physical tools that you want to see from a #3 overall pick and for right now I am very confident they can move forward with him and not have to worry about the QB position...could that change in 2-3 seasons...absolutely...we have seen that scenario plenty of times in the NFL and their coaching staff is still a complete wildcard...but right now I am confident that this rebuild can concentrate on other areas of the team this offseason (and there is plenty to concentrate on) and don't have to be chasing a QB which IMO means there is some light at the end of this long tunnel BB put them in.

Would your opinion change if he has numbers similar to Zach Wilson with terrible interceptions, bad decision-making, and the offense can't move the ball? I get that he has athleticism and a strong arm, but his processing and game smarts could still be an issue, especially if he is under constant duress. At this point, I am still taking a wait and see approach with hope that he can look halfway decent by Year 3. However, if the team is really bad, that could be with a new HC and OC . . . meaning another regime may be forced to take him on. NE hasn't done him any favors with the OL and receiving corps he has to work with.

 

[kyoun1e]

That offensive line is the reason I am drafting the Cinci D (NE week 1) and the SEA D (NE week 2) at the end of every draft.

 

[Boston]

looking like the Pats have their QB-of-the-future which means this franchise can now move forward which is a relief.

IMO, this is wishful thinking and something no one could possibly know at this point. Sure, Maye has looked good on two drives in the preseason (one in each game) . . . against defenders that won't be in the league in the next 24-48 hours. NE had to play their starters against the Commanders third string defense. On other drives, the offense did very little. Using a he's-looked-good-in-the-preseason storyline, does this mean Mac Jones really is an NFL-worthy starting QB with upside because on how he's looked on the Jags so far? I fear for whoever the QB is once the lights go on for real against defensive starting units with actual defensive play calling. With 3 of the first 4 games on the road against CIN, NYJ, and SFO, they are at risk of losing early and often.

Is it a definite...no...but unlike Mac who was limited physically, Maye has all the physical tools that you want to see from a #3 overall pick and for right now I am very confident they can move forward with him and not have to worry about the QB position...could that change in 2-3 seasons...absolutely...we have seen that scenario plenty of times in the NFL and their coaching staff is still a complete wildcard...but right now I am confident that this rebuild can concentrate on other areas of the team this offseason (and there is plenty to concentrate on) and don't have to be chasing a QB which IMO means there is some light at the end of this long tunnel BB put them in.

Would your opinion change if he has numbers similar to Zach Wilson with terrible interceptions, bad decision-making, and the offense can't move the ball? I get that he has athleticism and a strong arm, but his processing and game smarts could still be an issue, especially if he is under constant duress. At this point, I am still taking a wait and see approach with hope that he can look halfway decent by Year 3. However, if the team is really bad, that could be with a new HC and OC . . . meaning another regime may be forced to take him on. NE hasn't done him any favors with the OL and receiving corps he has to work with.

Don't disagree with most of this which is why I gave the 2-3 year window...I do think Wilson is the extreme but I also think he is not mentally fit to be an NFL QB and being in NYC was the absolute worst spot for him...this is a process and right now and I am very pleased with Maye's development (he 100% passes the eye test) especially when you factor in his age, only having played 2 years of college ball and in a system where was not under center often...I am not saying he is a definite because it is far too early for that, but I am saying they can hitch their wagon to him for the next 2-3 years while working on other areas of the team and after that we'll know what we definitely have...there is reason for optimism right now because of Maye but they are a very long way from having it show up in their record.

 

[Boston]

No surprises with this group:

2022 sixth-round pick Sam Roberts among 14 Patriots cuts

The Patriots got moving toward the 53-player limit on Monday by cutting 14 players from the team.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Bossman]

If Joe Milton can become more accurate, yikes what a cannon. Guy was throwing laser beams all over the field last night. Tight, tight spiral every time. Unfortunately he's throwing behind receivers and just slightly off target deep. Good wheels too. The absurd lack of talent on the O-line might have this guy starting before the end of season due to QBs ahead of him getting carted off the field. Should be fun.

 

[Boston]

Mark Daniels

@ByMarkDaniels

Cole Strange is going to start this season on the PUP list, per source.This was expected as he's recovering from a knee injury. He's trending in the right direction and it looks like he should be back at some point this season for the Patriots, according to a source.

 

[Bossman]

Zappe cut today.
Milton has so much more potential imo.

 

[Bossman]

Joey Slye wins kicking job over 4th round pick Chad Ryland.
Ryland was probably the one and only very bad draft pick in that '23 draft class. (I still have hopes for Mapu)

 

[Boston]

Here is the roster...zero surprises as far as I am concerned...they kept any youngster with a chance to develop into something...gonna be a long season so hopefully some of this youngsters make it worth watching and can be part of the turnaround.

Updated Patriots depth chart after roster cutdown day

Here's a look at the 2024 Patriots' initial 53-man roster after the NFL cutdown deadline.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Lansdowne]

Zappe cut today.
Milton has so much more potential imo.

They drafted Milton with the pick they got back from Jacksonville for Mac, so I'm glad there has been a net positive on that front. Milton is an interesting developmental QB.

 

[Lansdowne]

OUT
WR Jalen Reagor
CB Isaiah Bolden
OG Michael Jordan
DT Trysten Hill

IN
OT Zachary Thomas (LAR)
OT Demontrey Jacobs (DEN)
DT Eric Johnson (IND)
LB Curtis Jacobs (KC)

Jalen Reagor, Isaiah Bolden among Patriots’ roster moves following waiver claims

Tuesday’s initial roster faced Wednesday’s corresponding moves.

www.patspulpit.com

 

[Anarchy99]

Mayo announces Brissett as starte for this season. Shuts down questions on when Maye might start.

 

[Boston]

Mayo announces Brissett as starte for this season. Shuts down questions on when Maye might start.

Good...it's the right move...with the state of that O-line it's just not worth it even though it has become very apparent he is now consistently outplaying Brissett...loosely quoting Bedard when he says it doesn't matter whether he plays 17 or 8 games this season and while he's not sure what the upside of starting him week 1 is he very much knows what the downside is...I still have major question marks about Mayo/AVP but as far as Maye is concerned I like where they are right now...it's all about the long game.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe it’s paralysis by analysis, but the post presser discussion is focused on the wording. Mayo didn’t say that they are going with Brissett for now or for the Bengals game or to start the season. Mayo mentioned twice that Brissett will be the starter for the season. Maybe that’s reading too much into it (or they have a plan for Mayo to start and they aren’t revealing it). But talk radio is taking a literal interpretation to what Mayo said.

 

[Boston]

Maybe it’s paralysis by analysis, but the post presser discussion is focused on the wording. Mayo didn’t say that they are going with Brissett for now or for the Bengals game or to start the season. Mayo mentioned twice that Brissett will be the starter for the season. Maybe that’s reading too much into it (or they have a plan for Mayo to start and they aren’t revealing it). But talk radio is taking a literal interpretation to what Mayo said.

The Pats went from an HC who told you nothing to an HC who tells you too much…it feels like Mayo doesn’t know when to stop talking sometimes or he is thinking out loud…he needs to understand this is the Boston media market and every word matters.

 

[Anarchy99]

Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.

 

[Boston]

Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.

They need to get their **** together with regard to the media…right now it is like they are trying to make it easy for Felger.

 

[Anarchy99]

They need to get their **** together with regard to the media…right now it is like they are trying to make it easy for Felger.

There's been speculation that Wolf, Van Pelt, and possibly Jonathan Kraft are on the same page and Mayo isn't on the direction of the team. Even though Mayo is the head coach, they were discussing this morning that he is getting dictated decisions, yet he has to put on a happy face and get in front of the media and pretend that he made a decision even though his opinion really didn't matter, and he was told what he has to do. IMO, that's a recipe for disaster, as being a puppet head coach is doomed for failure. I'm equally unimpressed with some of the things being described and communicated through the media, like Mayo calling Van Pelt the "head coach of the offense" . . . especially with the way the offense has looked in the preseason . . . almost like it's all on Van Pelt for how things are going, don't blame Mayo, and the media should talk to Van Pelt about all things on the offense.

 

[Boston]

They need to get their **** together with regard to the media…right now it is like they are trying to make it easy for Felger.

There's been speculation that Wolf, Van Pelt, and possibly Jonathan Kraft are on the same page and Mayo isn't on the direction of the team. Even though Mayo is the head coach, they were discussing this morning that he is getting dictated decisions, yet he has to put on a happy face and get in front of the media and pretend that he made a decision even though his opinion really didn't matter, and he was told what he has to do. IMO, that's a recipe for disaster, as being a puppet head coach is doomed for failure. I'm equally unimpressed with some of the things being described and communicated through the media, like Mayo calling Van Pelt the "head coach of the offense" . . . especially with the way the offense has looked in the preseason . . . almost like it's all on Van Pelt for how things are going, don't blame Mayo, and the media should talk to Van Pelt about all things on the offense.

Jonathan Kraft makes me nervous…I know a lot of people who know him either thru school or work and they pretty much all say that while he’s not a bad guy he was born on third base and has a serious smartest guy in the room vibe…if things get even worse than they are now (if that is possible) I bet the fans direct their anger towards him and his gal pal Robin Glazer.

 

[Anarchy99]

They need to get their **** together with regard to the media…right now it is like they are trying to make it easy for Felger.

There's been speculation that Wolf, Van Pelt, and possibly Jonathan Kraft are on the same page and Mayo isn't on the direction of the team. Even though Mayo is the head coach, they were discussing this morning that he is getting dictated decisions, yet he has to put on a happy face and get in front of the media and pretend that he made a decision even though his opinion really didn't matter, and he was told what he has to do. IMO, that's a recipe for disaster, as being a puppet head coach is doomed for failure. I'm equally unimpressed with some of the things being described and communicated through the media, like Mayo calling Van Pelt the "head coach of the offense" . . . especially with the way the offense has looked in the preseason . . . almost like it's all on Van Pelt for how things are going, don't blame Mayo, and the media should talk to Van Pelt about all things on the offense.

Jonathan Kraft makes me nervous…I know a lot of people who know him either thru school or work and they pretty much all say that while he’s not a bad guy he was born on third base and has a serious smartest guy in the room vibe…if things get even worse than they are now (if that is possible) I bet the fans direct their anger towards him and his gal pal Robin Glazer.

As you already mentioned, the Felger and Mazz situation is concerning. They already have been spouting that fans would rather see Maye get sacked 8 times with 4 turnovers because they will all talk about a good throw for 2 weeks (like the Baker drop from a few weeks ago) as justification for him to be starting. On the other hand, Brissett could make an equally good deep throw that was dropped (a sideline route that Osborn didn't come down with) and no one cares or will even talk about it. As you said, they have enough to go on without handing them low hanging fruit for them to dive into.

 

[Boston]

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[Bossman]

Things I am excited to watch game 1;
- Play calling. Will they go back to their Patriot way? ... short quick passes over the middle, slot WR, TE, RB pass heavy.
This is what worked for so many years under Belichick & Brady. Move the chains. Control clock. Death by paper cuts.
- Defense. Seems like lots of talent on this side of the ball. Can they improve from last season? Can a young Keon White provide what was lost with Judon being traded?

Things I'm nervous about;
- O-line. We already know they have trouble pass blocking. Can they at least line up correctly and not false start?
Can they complete the snap with the QB under center? So many mistakes by this group in pre-season. Yeah, I'm nervous for them.

 

[Anarchy99]

- Play calling. Will they go back to their Patriot way? ... short quick passes over the middle, slot WR, TE, RB pass heavy.
This is what worked for so many years under Belichick & Brady. Move the chains. Control clock. Death by paper cuts.

With that OL, not sure they will have time for anything much longer than 2-2.5 second releases from the QB. They have already hinted at wanting to be a run first, ball control offense . . . but not sure they have a mauling type OL to facilitate that. I expect a lot of blitzes and a lot of sacks.

- Defense. Seems like lots of talent on this side of the ball. Can they improve from last season? Can a young Keon White provide what was lost with Judon being traded?

IMO, BB's game planning and scheming made the defense what it was. Two vital players won't be in the mix (Judon and Barmore). I expect a noticeable drop off from the defense this year. They ranked 15th in points allowed and 7th in yardage allowed last year. I don't see the offense being better than last year, so I envision both of those ranking to go down multiple spots.

Things I'm nervous about;
- O-line. We already know they have trouble pass blocking. Can they at least line up correctly and not false start?
Can they complete the snap with the QB under center? So many mistakes by this group in pre-season. Yeah, I'm nervous for them.

The only time they played against a starting-level defense was the scrimmage against the Eagles and they got unequivocally pulverized. Between the injuries, inexperience, lack of chemistry, limited reps together, and a rotating cast of characters, I am afraid how things will look the first few weeks of the season. The Jets, Niners, and Dolphins were all Top 10 defenses last year (their opponents in Weeks 3-5).

 

[Anarchy99]

Mayo suggested this morning that NE hasn't found a consistent OL combination that's been effective, so they may use multiple combinations and substitutions against the Bengals to keep guys fresh and see what works and what doesn't. I'm not an OL coach, but I am pretty sure repetition, communication, consistency, and chemistry is what gets a line to gel. Not sure the let's-try-everybody-and-maybe-some-combination-might-work is the best strategy. Guess we'll find out.

 

[Lansdowne]

I'd run out the following:

LT - Demontrey Jacobs
LG - Sidy Sow
C - David Andrews
RG - Layden Robinson
RT - Mike Onwenu

And never, ever put Vederian Lowe out on the field again

 

[kyoun1e]

Cinci may be without both Chase and Higgins.

Have a feeling Cinci sleepwalks through this game, plays it very vanilla, still wins easily due to the offense's inability to string together any drives.

Bet the D is spunky. Could see Cinci bogging down in the redzone.

I'm thinking lots of FGs for Cinci and a late garbage time TD for the Pats.

Cinci 22, NE 10

 

[Anarchy99]

Cinci may be without both Chase and Higgins.

Higgins will "more likely than not" miss the game (listed as doubtful). Chase is officially listed as questionable due to rest (on a walkthrough practice, no less). If Chase doesn't play, I don't think it has anything at all to do with his health. I saw / heard earlier that he is getting closer to resolving his contract situation. He did say that if he does suit up, he would probably be limited. IMO, that would just mean he doesn't play every snap (and they would use him when needed).

 

[Bossman]

Mayo suggested this morning that NE hasn't found a consistent OL combination that's been effective, so they may use multiple combinations and substitutions against the Bengals to keep guys fresh and see what works and what doesn't. I'm not an OL coach, but I am pretty sure repetition, communication, consistency, and chemistry is what gets a line to gel. Not sure the let's-try-everybody-and-maybe-some-combination-might-work is the best strategy. Guess we'll find out.

6 O-linemen is the answer.
Bunch up and nothing gets thru up the middle. Make pass rushers go around. Have O-linemen blocking LB's and Safeties downfield in the run game.
Not every play obviously but situational. Figure it out vs the Ben-gals before the really good defensive teams come to town.

Game prediction; Pats will need to hold CIN to under 17 points. It's close but I don't think it happens.
CIN 23 / NE 17

 

[Anarchy99]

Mayo suggested this morning that NE hasn't found a consistent OL combination that's been effective, so they may use multiple combinations and substitutions against the Bengals to keep guys fresh and see what works and what doesn't. I'm not an OL coach, but I am pretty sure repetition, communication, consistency, and chemistry is what gets a line to gel. Not sure the let's-try-everybody-and-maybe-some-combination-might-work is the best strategy. Guess we'll find out.

6 O-linemen is the answer.
Bunch up and nothing gets thru up the middle. Make pass rushers go around. Have O-linemen blocking LB's and Safeties downfield in the run game.
Not every play obviously but situational. Figure it out vs the Ben-gals before the really good defensive teams come to town.

Game prediction; Pats will need to hold CIN to under 17 points. It's close but I don't think it happens.
CIN 23 / NE 17

I think CIN could score 7 points and win. IMO, once the bullets go live, they won’t have many bullets. I expect a lot of mistakes, tons of penalties, blown assignments, and a coaching staff punching above their weight. CIN 27-6 . . . and that’s with their key pieces missing.

 

[Insomniac]

Google tells me the record for most sacks allowed in a season was set by the Giants last year - with 85. I really don't want to see Maye break that record but with this OL it would be in play. I'd prefer he become the starter somewhere in mid November. I hope Brissett can last that long.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Google tells me the record for most sacks allowed in a season was set by the Giants last year - with 85. I really don't want to see Maye break that record but with this OL it would be in play. I'd prefer he become the starter somewhere in mid November. I hope Brissett can last that long.

In case of emergency break glass (behind which is rookie commentator Brian Hoyer).