Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (1 Viewer)

[zamboni]

Ken O’Brien

The team probably would have ruined Marino too had they actually decided to take Dan instead.

 

[rockaction]

Texans are a good example of how things can turn around with a bad owner - he literally had an unqualified pastor running the team. They then picked a solid HC and QB - bingo competitive. Of course fleecing the Browns but you get the point.

I think the family intervened and he hired Nick Caserio as GM and relinquished personnel decisions to him in order to maintain ownership of the club. There was something shady with McNair and the NFL that went on. I remember it was very hush-hush but Jack Easterby (?) was running the show and trying to make it a Christian team. The NFL was unhappy.

eta* But this wasn’t the case of merely finding a quarterback. Things started to turn around with the GM Caserio, who still has made some questionable trades with extra first-round picks, although it’s hard to argue with the results. But getting Easterby out of there was key, and it started with pressure on the owner to give up control. Rumor is that McNair is like a man child with video game consoles all strewn about his office and stuff. It was a bad look and they were seriously moribund.

Now, the NFL can’t do that with Woody and Woody’s too politically connected to pull that with, so we’re stuck with it. All of the nepo crap in the Meadowlands. I hate to sound doom and gloom this morning with everybody beating up on the Jets, but why exactly do I cheer for them again? Crappy owner, never a QB, the play is always sloppy and defensive if at all good outside of Parcells and the ‘80s iteration of the team, etc., etc. The list goes on.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

So where do they go from here?

They already tried literally everything

for HC - the young up and coming coordinator route, the veteran coach route, players coach, disciplinarian - really havent taken too many legit swings at offensive coaches so looking for that

GM - tried the capologist, the vet, recs from other consultants, from solid organizations

QBs - drafted, traded for and signed

All I see on Reddit is they are doomed as long as Woody is the owner. He's not going anywhere and quite frankly its an overrated statement - solid GM/HC/QB make a lot of owners better. Dolan was viewed as the worst owner in sports - now look at his teams.

Woody tried the short cut - it was quick, sexy and fun - but it was a colossal failure. Time to blow it up - dont let Rodgers hold the team hostage. Id tell him if he stays then he will help develop a new QB and sit for most of next year. If he wants to be traded or retire - thats fine.

He looks like toast and spent physically and mentally - guy played 20 seasons and the 2 with the Jets did him in.

Personally I think the issue is more on their defense than offense. Rodgers led them to a winning drive / score. The defense once again can't hold one of the worst offenses in NFL? This reminds me when they were at home vs. DEN who couldn't keep them out of the end zone when they couldn't score TDs. Top tier defenses must stop the earlier in season at home vs DEN type teams and vs NE. Ditto first game where Mason ran all over their defense.
Rodgers isn't the Rodgers of old if anyone thought he'd be the same that's on them. He led them on a 10 play 70 yards TD score with 2:57 left up 22-17. The defense should get all the blame just had to hold NE out of the end zone.

 

[Kiddnets]

the issue with woody is not dissimilar to dolan. dolan failed to listen to the right people and perpetually hired the wrong people. a bad recipe. when he had walsh, he couldn’t resist. dolan has always left the rangers alone and they have had the right leadership, but dolan was always wanting to be friends with guys on the hoops side, like isaiah. he got lucky with rose, but has left him alone and seen results. woody listens to dummies who offer up john idzik. he listens to manning who offers up gase. woody just doesn’t have the right connection to figure this out. hard to believe joe douglas has gotten 6 years. like the mets, they need to pry an architect away from someone to build this because, let’s face it, this is a total tear down again of leadership, with some talent on board. but who wants to work for woody. he’s hired GMs and forced coaches on them and he’s hired coaches and forced GMs on them. i remember the gase reports to woody phase. this coaching staff was bottom 3 in the league in terms of ability. saleh simply hired friends. then they hired rodgers’ friends. saleh stunk, but in a way they were so weak, losing the d coordinator ulbrich weakened them even more. if downing is the guy behind hackett, think how bad this is, cause downing can’t even get plays in. you’d think he has a 2 point call ready during that 5 minute drive knowing they need it. another off season, another jet search to find the right GM who happens to know someone that knows woody who won’t know enough to figure out how this teams will soon approach 15 years without a playoff appearance. think about this, i have…..65 years and 7 home playoff games. 1 during the 2000s. total. yet this franchise acts as if it is a model of the league.

Very fair - but as you show above - if a meddling dolt like dolan can get lucky then there is hope!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

i remember the gase reports to woody phase.

This is still the structure.

How many teams have the HC and GM reporting separately to the owner? 2, the Jets and the Browns - that should tell you something.

 

[zamboni]

dolan has always left the rangers alone and they have had the right leadership

As a Rangers diehard, one of my favorite things about the franchise is that Dolan also owns the Knicks. But that's for another thread.

 

[rockaction]

This is still the structure.

Seriously? We’re just *** ****ed until he dies, then.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

Texans are a good example of how things can turn around with a bad owner - he literally had an unqualified pastor running the team. They then picked a solid HC and QB - bingo competitive. Of course fleecing the Browns but you get the point.

I think the family intervened and he hired Nick Caserio as GM and relinquished personnel decisions to him in order to maintain ownership of the club. There was something shady with McNair and the NFL that went on. I remember it was very hush-hush but Jack Easterby (?) was running the show and trying to make it a Christian team. The NFL was unhappy.

The family has pretty much stayed out of it. Easterby pretty much pissed off so many executives there was no choice but to fire him. The fans wanted him fired for 2 years. About his only good thing he did was getting Caserio. Even at that time it was controversial since they were friends and the team found out about it on social media. The worst was fostering a culture of distrust amongst players and staff and where many players thought they were being monitored outside of work. Truly an evil person.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is still the structure.

Seriously? We’re just *** ****ed until he dies, then.

Well he fired Salah without consulting Douglas it seems.

 

[Kiddnets]

So where do they go from here?

They already tried literally everything

for HC - the young up and coming coordinator route, the veteran coach route, players coach, disciplinarian - really havent taken too many legit swings at offensive coaches so looking for that

GM - tried the capologist, the vet, recs from other consultants, from solid organizations

QBs - drafted, traded for and signed

All I see on Reddit is they are doomed as long as Woody is the owner. He's not going anywhere and quite frankly its an overrated statement - solid GM/HC/QB make a lot of owners better. Dolan was viewed as the worst owner in sports - now look at his teams.

Woody tried the short cut - it was quick, sexy and fun - but it was a colossal failure. Time to blow it up - dont let Rodgers hold the team hostage. Id tell him if he stays then he will help develop a new QB and sit for most of next year. If he wants to be traded or retire - thats fine.

He looks like toast and spent physically and mentally - guy played 20 seasons and the 2 with the Jets did him in.

Personally I think the issue is more on their defense than offense. Rodgers led them to a winning drive / score. The defense once again can't hold one of the worst offenses in NFL? This reminds me when they were at home vs. DEN who couldn't keep them out of the end zone when they couldn't score TDs. Top tier defenses must stop the earlier in season at home vs DEN type teams and vs NE. Ditto first game where Mason ran all over their defense.
Rodgers isn't the Rodgers of old if anyone thought he'd be the same that's on them. He led them on a 10 play 70 yards TD score with 2:57 left up 22-17. The defense should get all the blame just had to hold NE out of the end zone.

agreed - last few yrs we prayed for the team to have a lead so the Defense could salt it away. This is not the same defense. They went from elite to middling to bad.....big mistake letting some talent go and many others have taken a step back like Sauce.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

This franchise's travails all start at the top - from ownership (Woody and Leon Hess before him) not surrounding themselves with the right GM/talent evaluators and head coach selections. JD has done some good things, but you absolutely have to get the QB right or everything else falls short. And for some reason they can't get that QB position right. One needs to look no farther than the Commanders and Texans, two teams that were languishing for years after they hit big on their QBs.

FYI: Texans has never gotten past the first round of the playoffs. Our goal is to win 2 games in the postseason in franchise history. Something Jets have done multiple times under Rex / Sanchez.

 

[sheerterror]

the issue with woody is not dissimilar to dolan. dolan failed to listen to the right people and perpetually hired the wrong people. a bad recipe. when he had walsh, he couldn’t resist. dolan has always left the rangers alone and they have had the right leadership, but dolan was always wanting to be friends with guys on the hoops side, like isaiah. he got lucky with rose, but has left him alone and seen results. woody listens to dummies who offer up john idzik. he listens to manning who offers up gase. woody just doesn’t have the right connection to figure this out. hard to believe joe douglas has gotten 6 years. like the mets, they need to pry an architect away from someone to build this because, let’s face it, this is a total tear down again of leadership, with some talent on board. but who wants to work for woody. he’s hired GMs and forced coaches on them and he’s hired coaches and forced GMs on them. i remember the gase reports to woody phase. this coaching staff was bottom 3 in the league in terms of ability. saleh simply hired friends. then they hired rodgers’ friends. saleh stunk, but in a way they were so weak, losing the d coordinator ulbrich weakened them even more. if downing is the guy behind hackett, think how bad this is, cause downing can’t even get plays in. you’d think he has a 2 point call ready during that 5 minute drive knowing they need it. another off season, another jet search to find the right GM who happens to know someone that knows woody who won’t know enough to figure out how this teams will soon approach 15 years without a playoff appearance. think about this, i have…..65 years and 7 home playoff games. 1 during the 2000s. total. yet this franchise acts as if it is a model of the league.

Re: Dolan

Dolan hired Glen Sather whenever that was 20+ years ago, and Sather first continued ruining the team by not building at all and just throwing money at UFAs. Then the lockout/salary cap (and Lundqvist) came and the franchise literally changed over night. And since then, they've been one of the most successful teams in the league sans a freakin championship. They've had a few solid GMs (although this current one is awful) and developed some youth. The major caveat here, and this applies to the Jets is what has truly been the backbone of success for this team the last 2 decades is hitting on not 1 but 2 franchise goalies - which is probably the 1 position in all of pro sports thats even remotely close to the realm of importance of a QB.

I think the worst of Dolan's ism's was always seen with the Knicks. Then he finally stepped into one with Rose, who has subsequently and brilliantly used his relationships as a high level agent to attract clients/friends etc. Oh and they hit a grand slam on Brunson. Who might as well be the Knicks QB.

We need a freakin QB.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

Imagine if a deranged evil pastor wasn't hired by the Texans who hired Lovie Smith who knowing this was his last game decided to F his team by winning the final game of the season so they would not have the #1 pick. Prior to that their star QB demanded to be traded once said pastor hired his buddy as their GM. Would they have drafted Young if they had lost and had #1 pick? Who knows. Their QB ended up getting one of the best returns in NFL history because of said pastor and the #2 pick. The point is there's a lot of luck involved and even the worst hires of all time can sometime actually help your ballclub in long run.
All that said Texans have won one round in postseason with many blow out brutal losses. Check out at home vs Chiefs when favored or on the road when Watson was blowing out the Chiefs only for one of the biggest comebacks in recent playoff history. Jet fans complain but they won a SB and even under Rex Ryan went to back to back Championship games I believe with Sanchez. Texans hasn't sniffed that yet in their franchise history.

 

[Chemical X]

Imagine if a deranged evil pastor wasn't hired by the Texans who hired Lovie Smith who knowing this was his last game decided to F his team by winning the final game of the season so they would not have the #1 pick. Prior to that their star QB demanded to be traded once said pastor hired his buddy as their GM. Would they have drafted Young if they had lost and had #1 pick? Who knows. Their QB ended up getting one of the best returns in NFL history because of said pastor and the #2 pick. The point is there's a lot of luck involved and even the worst hires of all time can sometime actually help your ballclub in long run.
All that said Texans have won one round in postseason with many blow out brutal losses. Check out at home vs Chiefs when favored or on the road when Watson was blowing out the Chiefs only for one of the biggest comebacks in recent playoff history. Jet fans complain but they won a SB and even under Rex Ryan went to back to back Championship games I believe with Sanchez. Texans hasn't sniffed that yet in their franchise history.

the texans have won 7 division titles in the last 15 years? the jets have won 2 total since league merger 1970.

 

[Kiddnets]

Imagine if a deranged evil pastor wasn't hired by the Texans who hired Lovie Smith who knowing this was his last game decided to F his team by winning the final game of the season so they would not have the #1 pick. Prior to that their star QB demanded to be traded once said pastor hired his buddy as their GM. Would they have drafted Young if they had lost and had #1 pick? Who knows. Their QB ended up getting one of the best returns in NFL history because of said pastor and the #2 pick. The point is there's a lot of luck involved and even the worst hires of all time can sometime actually help your ballclub in long run.
All that said Texans have won one round in postseason with many blow out brutal losses. Check out at home vs Chiefs when favored or on the road when Watson was blowing out the Chiefs only for one of the biggest comebacks in recent playoff history. Jet fans complain but they won a SB and even under Rex Ryan went to back to back Championship games I believe with Sanchez. Texans hasn't sniffed that yet in their franchise history.

I hear you - but that success was a lifetime ago and theyve been the worst franchise in sports the past decade with a history of losing. texans have a solid infrastructure now with a solid HC/QB - they should be good for years. Jet fans would swap futures in a second lol

 

[zamboni]

This franchise's travails all start at the top - from ownership (Woody and Leon Hess before him) not surrounding themselves with the right GM/talent evaluators and head coach selections. JD has done some good things, but you absolutely have to get the QB right or everything else falls short. And for some reason they can't get that QB position right. One needs to look no farther than the Commanders and Texans, two teams that were languishing for years after they hit big on their QBs.

FYI: Texans has never gotten past the first round of the playoffs. Our goal is to win 2 games in the postseason in franchise history. Something Jets have done multiple times under Rex / Sanchez.

Not yet, but they're on the upswing with a rookie QB (last year) that got them there. Somehow Mark Sanchez did the same as a rookie, but that was a short-lived tease.

 

[rockaction]

Yeah, but I view that as Woody’s prerogative. Doesn’t mean Saleh reported to him weekly like Gase did.

Where is Gase these days? Anywhere around football? I doubt it. JD will have a job somewhere. Lots of GMs whiffed on a QB once.

 

[NYRAGE]

I resign as FAN of the NYJ.

 

[zamboni]

Where is Gase these days? Anywhere around football?

Turns out Gase is in the media business, working for a company founded by ex-Jets/Dolphins GM Mike Tannenbaum. who hired him in Miami before moving on to torch the Jets years after Tannebaum did the same.

Gase Latest Former Dolphins Coach to Join Media

A former Miami Dolphins head coach has a new venture. Adam Gase is joining The 33rd Team, a media and technology company, as a strategic advisor. Gase will be

www.si.com

 

[Kiddnets]

Yeah, but I view that as Woody’s prerogative. Doesn’t mean Saleh reported to him weekly like Gase did.

Where is Gase these days? Anywhere around football? I doubt it. JD will have a job somewhere. Lots of GMs whiffed on a QB once.

Most HCs at least get a chance to be a coordinator afte being fired - Gase was so bad hes been out of football completely.

JD im sure will land on his feet - he had a few good picks/trades - probably not a GM job but back to the Ravens/Eagles most likely

 

[Chemical X]

This is from Football Perspective – the Jets scored 20 or more points, committed no turnovers and held the Patriots under 250 yards. From 1940 until Sunday, teams were 756-0 when they hit those three metrics. The Jets snapped that streak. lol

 

[NYRAGE]

I love(d) Chad Pennington but when he's the second best QB in team history that says a lot.

It's amazing that no matter what they try to do at QB over the last 25 years, it has never worked out.

Bring in a Veteran QB:

Brett Favre - this one worked out before he blew out his bicep - but he never wanted to be here and left for Minnesota asap;
Ryan Fitzpatrick - mixed results but ultimately he failed the team with the playoffs on the line and then fell apart in Year2;
Aaron Rodgers -

Use a Top 6 pick on a QB:

Mark Sanchez - early results were promising and then Rex Ryan HAD to win the Snoopy Bowl by leaving Sanchez in during the 4th Q of a preseason game
Sam Darnold - had some arm talent but poor decision making and being straddled with Adam Gase did him in
Zach Wilson - complete garbage and is now a third string QB

Take a QB in Round 2

Kellen Clemens
Geno Smith - 10 years later he's serviceable
Christian Hackenberg

Take a mid to late round flier at QB and Hope

Brooks Bollinger
Eric Ainge
Greg McElroy
Taj Boyd
Bryce Petty
James Morgan
Travis Jordan

That's a whole lot of ugly right there.

20 years or we would have to include Vinny T who was better than all the bums

It's like a bad M Night Shyamalan movie (redundant?). The twist is that no matter what we do, the QB will suck. I think even Mahomes would have struggled with this team.

 

[sheerterror]

Imagine if a deranged evil pastor wasn't hired by the Texans who hired Lovie Smith who knowing this was his last game decided to F his team by winning the final game of the season so they would not have the #1 pick. Prior to that their star QB demanded to be traded once said pastor hired his buddy as their GM. Would they have drafted Young if they had lost and had #1 pick? Who knows. Their QB ended up getting one of the best returns in NFL history because of said pastor and the #2 pick. The point is there's a lot of luck involved and even the worst hires of all time can sometime actually help your ballclub in long run.
All that said Texans have won one round in postseason with many blow out brutal losses. Check out at home vs Chiefs when favored or on the road when Watson was blowing out the Chiefs only for one of the biggest comebacks in recent playoff history. Jet fans complain but they won a SB and even under Rex Ryan went to back to back Championship games I believe with Sanchez. Texans hasn't sniffed that yet in their franchise history.

The Texans have been around for 40 something years less than the Jets.

Sorry, but Houston's level of ineptitude isn't even close to ours. Let us have that lol

 

[Chemical X]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

 

[Kiddnets]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

dont get me started as to the stadium - over a billion dollars and it is completely sterile and devoid of anything. I have no issue with sharing a stadium with the Giants per se but the place has zero personality or connection to the teams other than LED lights. It looks and feels like an oversized air conditioning unit. The only difference from the last stadium is they shoved as many luxury boxes in as possible. They also could have had a dome and cheaped out on that as well.

I dont think they will move - nor do I think its a main reason why they are losers - but its another example of lousy management by Woody.

 

[Wingnut]

Orlovsky just said that in the history of the NFL, teams that scored 20+ points, had zero turnovers, and allowed less than 250 yards to their opponent - are 750-1.

The one loss? The Jets yesterday.

Wowzers.

 

[RC94]

Woody has been incompetent in virtually everything he does. He got his money thru inheritance, not by actually accomplishing anything. I honestly don't see much hope as long as he's the owner. He just proved that he doesn't listen or care about what his football people have to say by not even talking to Douglass before firing Saleh. He also proved that a bad owner is not an overrated complaint. Douglass' incompetance may have also contributed to Woody not bothering to consult with him when he become an afterthought by allowing Rodgers to take control of the team, but he's still the GM and should have been consulted with before firing the HC. The only way Woody can get it right is by getting lucky but he's too stupid to recognize it and will probably ruin it even if he does manage to get lucky one day.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Prediction: 2025 is the start of the failed Belichick era.

 

[Kiddnets]

Prediction: 2025 is the start of the failed Belichick era.

if they are running it back with Rodgers its not a bad idea - but Belichick despises Woody and the Jets.

I think we are looking at a full teardown yet again

 

[rockaction]

Orlovsky just said that in the history of the NFL, teams that scored 20+ points, had zero turnovers, and allowed less than 250 yards to their opponent - are 750-1.

The one loss? The Jets yesterday.

Wowzers.

Most people get a gauge of the thread before they come in and post fun facts. They especially might look three posts up to see the exact same thing posted by one of the team’s fans. But I guess when you’re busy disowning your team in the playoffs you do these sort of things.

 

[Chemical X]

Orlovsky just said that in the history of the NFL, teams that scored 20+ points, had zero turnovers, and allowed less than 250 yards to their opponent - are 750-1.

The one loss? The Jets yesterday.

Wowzers.

amazing stat…..i didn’t know this.

 

[Wingnut]

Orlovsky just said that in the history of the NFL, teams that scored 20+ points, had zero turnovers, and allowed less than 250 yards to their opponent - are 750-1.

The one loss? The Jets yesterday.

Wowzers.

Most people get a gauge of the thread before they come in and post fun facts. They especially might look three posts up to see the exact same thing posted by one of the team’s fans. But I guess when you’re busy disowning your team in the playoffs you do these sort of things.

It's an insane stat that I thought was pretty interesting. Im not following this thread and wasn't gonna read through it to see if it was posted, I just thought it was worth posting on a football site. If it was already posted, it's not the end of the world.

Lighten up.

 

[sheerterror]

Orlovsky just said that in the history of the NFL, teams that scored 20+ points, had zero turnovers, and allowed less than 250 yards to their opponent - are 750-1.

The one loss? The Jets yesterday.

Wowzers.

amazing stat…..i didn’t know this.

 

[Chemical X]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

dont get me started as to the stadium - over a billion dollars and it is completely sterile and devoid of anything. I have no issue with sharing a stadium with the Giants per se but the place has zero personality or connection to the teams other than LED lights. It looks and feels like an oversized air conditioning unit. The only difference from the last stadium is they shoved as many luxury boxes in as possible. They also could have had a dome and cheaped out on that as well.

I dont think they will move - nor do I think its a main reason why they are losers - but its another example of lousy management by Woody.

until this team becomes part of the nfl, the stadium won’t really matter, but i just can’t believe how inept they are and how little the stadium helps. i worked at shea as a vendor during jet games and i remember i think the last game and hess moving them because he wanted the fans to have nicer bathrooms. i think they lost at home to the steelers with bradshaw returning from elbow surgery. something like that. fans destroyed the stadium and ripped out seats. but it was our stadium. dirt infield, frozen surface, open to the disgusting flushing bay. but having played 7 home playoff games in 65 years, i just can’t fathom that stat. 2 in the last 37 years.

 

[Kiddnets]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

dont get me started as to the stadium - over a billion dollars and it is completely sterile and devoid of anything. I have no issue with sharing a stadium with the Giants per se but the place has zero personality or connection to the teams other than LED lights. It looks and feels like an oversized air conditioning unit. The only difference from the last stadium is they shoved as many luxury boxes in as possible. They also could have had a dome and cheaped out on that as well.

I dont think they will move - nor do I think its a main reason why they are losers - but its another example of lousy management by Woody.

until this team becomes part of the nfl, the stadium won’t really matter, but i just can’t believe how inept they are and how little the stadium helps. i worked at shea as a vendor during jet games and i remember i think the last game and hess moving them because he wanted the fans to have nicer bathrooms. i think they lost at home to the steelers with bradshaw returning from elbow surgery. something like that. fans destroyed the stadium and ripped out seats. but it was our stadium. dirt infield, frozen surface, open to the disgusting flushing bay. but having played 7 home playoff games in 65 years, i just can’t fathom that stat. 2 in the last 37 years.

I went to Shea when I was a kid - it was nice to have their own stadium but even then it wasnt their own - it was the Mets. The Jets have never had their own stadium. The closest was the west side stadium that would have been crazy if they pulled it off but Dolan and his crooked political cronies nuked that idea.

I really dont think it is a huge factor but more of an idea of how vanilla Woody is without any creativity or savy. Again - we are stuck with him so its moot - just crazy to see how they wasted over a billion dollars on perhaps the most boring stadium in the league

 

[Rubi]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

dont get me started as to the stadium - over a billion dollars and it is completely sterile and devoid of anything. I have no issue with sharing a stadium with the Giants per se but the place has zero personality or connection to the teams other than LED lights. It looks and feels like an oversized air conditioning unit. The only difference from the last stadium is they shoved as many luxury boxes in as possible. They also could have had a dome and cheaped out on that as well.

I dont think they will move - nor do I think its a main reason why they are losers - but its another example of lousy management by Woody.

until this team becomes part of the nfl, the stadium won’t really matter, but i just can’t believe how inept they are and how little the stadium helps. i worked at shea as a vendor during jet games and i remember i think the last game and hess moving them because he wanted the fans to have nicer bathrooms. i think they lost at home to the steelers with bradshaw returning from elbow surgery. something like that. fans destroyed the stadium and ripped out seats. but it was our stadium. dirt infield, frozen surface, open to the disgusting flushing bay. but having played 7 home playoff games in 65 years, i just can’t fathom that stat. 2 in the last 37 years.

I went to Shea when I was a kid - it was nice to have their own stadium but even then it wasnt their own - it was the Mets. The Jets have never had their own stadium. The closest was the west side stadium that would have been crazy if they pulled it off but Dolan and his crooked political cronies nuked that idea.

I really dont think it is a huge factor but more of an idea of how vanilla Woody is without any creativity or savy. Again - we are stuck with him so its moot - just crazy to see how they wasted over a billion dollars on perhaps the most boring stadium in the league

A stadium does not a team make

 

[Kiddnets]

the other thing about the jets and this is a bit on woody, is that they have zero home field advantage. it literally is like they play 16 road and neutral games a year. the field yields an identity many times and no one cares about metlife, except for the crappy turf. shea stadium was awful, but it was our hideously cold and windy place with crappy toilets. belmont or citifield real estate was prime for woody to push his way in, but he stuck us with a time share as the poor sisters again. didn’t even get a dome. i mean, metlife is almost exactly the same as giants stadium. you can light it green all you want, but it yields no advantage.

dont get me started as to the stadium - over a billion dollars and it is completely sterile and devoid of anything. I have no issue with sharing a stadium with the Giants per se but the place has zero personality or connection to the teams other than LED lights. It looks and feels like an oversized air conditioning unit. The only difference from the last stadium is they shoved as many luxury boxes in as possible. They also could have had a dome and cheaped out on that as well.

I dont think they will move - nor do I think its a main reason why they are losers - but its another example of lousy management by Woody.

until this team becomes part of the nfl, the stadium won’t really matter, but i just can’t believe how inept they are and how little the stadium helps. i worked at shea as a vendor during jet games and i remember i think the last game and hess moving them because he wanted the fans to have nicer bathrooms. i think they lost at home to the steelers with bradshaw returning from elbow surgery. something like that. fans destroyed the stadium and ripped out seats. but it was our stadium. dirt infield, frozen surface, open to the disgusting flushing bay. but having played 7 home playoff games in 65 years, i just can’t fathom that stat. 2 in the last 37 years.

I went to Shea when I was a kid - it was nice to have their own stadium but even then it wasnt their own - it was the Mets. The Jets have never had their own stadium. The closest was the west side stadium that would have been crazy if they pulled it off but Dolan and his crooked political cronies nuked that idea.

I really dont think it is a huge factor but more of an idea of how vanilla Woody is without any creativity or savy. Again - we are stuck with him so its moot - just crazy to see how they wasted over a billion dollars on perhaps the most boring stadium in the league

A stadium does not a team make

of course not but as I said it does show a side of ownership - and as a season ticket holder I can attest its a very boring place with very limited appeal unlike most newer stadiums.

 

[The Duff Man]

New York State is already shelling out for one new stadium so don’t expect another one

 

[rockaction]

MetLife is awful and the weather stinks. Every year it’s a downpour during at least three or four home games and we wonder why our offense stinks. Cheap-*** turf and a cheap-*** lack of a dome. No ambience. A stadium does not a team make, but that thing is a billion dollar boondoggle dump.

Dump dump dump. You can see it on television. The old Meadowlands (I haven’t been to the new one) was also a dump, but I think it was at least fun to go watch the Giants play the Jets there (which I did). But this new one? Awful.

Pardon me. I’m getting my vituperations off of my chest today.

 

[RC94]

MetLife Stadium has always been terrible. When it first opened and was brand new, it was already ranked as the 25th best stadium.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

MetLife Stadium has always been terrible. When it first opened and was brand new, it was already ranked as the 25th best stadium.

We had season tickets for about 15 years at the old Giants Stadium - after one year at Metlife, we gave our tickets up. Not only was the stadium ugly and offered no upgrades for a multi-billion dollar stadium but they made the experience more miserable for us. We had upper level seats and Giants Stadium had long escalators at each gate that went straight to the Upper Deck, MetLife had this complex system where it went from level to level - it took us one hour to get to our seats with all the backups at each escalator.

You look at Jerry World or the Vikings new stadium and its amazing what they look like. Metlife is basically Giants Stadium - with an exterior that looks like an air conditioner - with four large screens at each corner but no other bells or whistles to make the experience more pleasant and the changes they did make made the experience worse.

 

[Rubi]

I guess as we look for reasons why both The Giants and Jets suck this year we might as well throw the stadium under the bus too.
Has Aaron thrown shade at the stadium this year?
He is the King of Blame after all.

 

[Kiddnets]

MetLife Stadium has always been terrible. When it first opened and was brand new, it was already ranked as the 25th best stadium.

We had season tickets for about 15 years at the old Giants Stadium - after one year at Metlife, we gave our tickets up. Not only was the stadium ugly and offered no upgrades for a multi-billion dollar stadium but they made the experience more miserable for us. We had upper level seats and Giants Stadium had long escalators at each gate that went straight to the Upper Deck, MetLife had this complex system where it went from level to level - it took us one hour to get to our seats with all the backups at each escalator.

You look at Jerry World or the Vikings new stadium and its amazing what they look like. Metlife is basically Giants Stadium - with an exterior that looks like an air conditioner - with four large screens at each corner but no other bells or whistles to make the experience more pleasant and the changes they did make made the experience worse.

Since the season is in the tank 0- why not rip on the awful stadium a bit!

They really dropped the ball - I know costs in NY/NJ are high vs other places but they had 2 teams splitting the bill - they made zero distinguishing characteristics or anything to enhance the experience for fans. In fact it was made much worse as Doc points out - I believe the 1st row in the upper deck of the new stadium is equal to in distance to the field the last row of the old stadium.

Now lets talk PSLs - they were extremely lucky that this was done before the secondary market became a thing. There was no stub hub so you needed to be a season ticket holder back in the day. The concept of PSL's was that you would own your seat in the stadium forever. So not only would you be able to go to all the football games but 1st priority for concerts and other events. Jets/Giants did away with that of course so there literally is no benefit to being a season ticket holder except keeping your own seat. Its worse really because season ticket holders need to pay for worthless preseason games. They dont even charge PSLs for new season ticket holders in most areas anymore - the stadium is usually overrun with fans from other teams and by November its half empty.

Met life is 15 years old - there may be some out clauses for the Jets but Woody is all in on NJ practice facility so I dont see them moving any time soon. Maybe they finally spend some money and put on a retractable dome but im not holding my breath.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I guess as we look for reasons why both The Giants and Jets suck this year we might as well throw the stadium under the bus too.
Has Aaron thrown shade at the stadium this year?
He is the King of Blame after all.

I think that would be valid criticism.

 

[Snoopy]

Geno is better than Pennington by a lot. He’s better than serviceable.

While he was on the Jets? I 100% disagree with that.

No no no. Now. He’s actually quite good, IMO. He has secondary Next Gen stats that sort of point to it. Tight window throws, deeper accuracy, arm strength. He’s good.

But I said Pennington was the second best QB in TEAM history.

I'd also disagree that prime Smith (now) was better than prime Pennington but that's certainly more debatable.

Fun Fact, Chad Pennington's team (Jets/Dolphins) made the playoffs in every season where he did not miss a game that season.

Fair enough. I was just saying it by way of being like “Geno turned out as least as good as fifth all-time.”

Namath
Pennington
Testaverde
Ken O’Brien
Geno
R. Todd

Browning Nagle

 

[sheerterror]

MetLife Stadium has always been terrible. When it first opened and was brand new, it was already ranked as the 25th best stadium.

I'll never forget going there for the first time when they opened the building against the Ravens.

My first thought was "this is what a billion dollars bought?"
My second thought was "holy S there's a lot of Ravens fans here."

 

[Chemical X]

it takes an entire day to get to the stadium, so when the season is inevitably over before november, it fills with non jet fans. why would anyone trudge to that dump in the winter to watch pre season football, cause that’s what it amounts to. and how much is the GW toll now? €20?

 

[RC94]

it takes an entire day to get to the stadium, so when the season is inevitably over before november, it fills with non jet fans. why would anyone trudge to that dump in the winter to watch pre season football, cause that’s what it amounts to. and how much is the GW toll now? €20?

Totally agree. I really have no interest in going to that stadium anymore. I just don't find it fun. Plus, it's so expensive it makes me think about it and when I do, I can think of many other things I would rather spend that money on.

On top of how expensive tickets and food are, parking is $55 for an NFL game...

 

[Crash Davis]

@Crash Davis has marked himself safe from further giving a **** about the Jets season.

 

[TLEF316]

Turned the game off for a while in the middle. It was just completely unwatachable and I couldn't take it anymore. Came back in like the middle of the 3rd. Got no joy out of the win, they're buried too deep. The idea that this is gonna tun the season around(I know the broadcasters were just trying to keep things interesting) is just absurd. They're not gonna go 7-1 down the stretch.

Aaron continues to miss lots and lots of easy throws. Hall another drop (might have been 2) and another fumble (That he was lucky to get back). I guess the O-line played a little better and we saw what the WR duo can be, but they're not going on a run.

Pass rush was pretty wicked but they let Stroud break contain a LOT later in the game. I was SHOCKED that Clemmons actually finished a clean sack without roughing the passer on his sack and then they somehow manage to rough the......long snapper......Then somehow Fairbarn doinks a chip shot 4 plays later? God what a weird game.

Sauce Garnder costing himself a lot of money this year. He tackles like a 12 year old and he's getting beat quite a bit (and not by stud pass catchers).

If it were up to me, I'd trade Corley for whatever I could get at the deadline. Sunk cost. I dont want that kid on my team. He makes a play like that.....he'll make another one in an actual game that matters and cost the team a win. Try to find a gadget player again in the spring....one with a brain in his head.