Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At least they made him take an 80% pay cut to stay with the team.
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (4 Viewers)
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WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
For this to not be the "same old Jets" they MUST win this game vs. Rodgers.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is one of the times I feel like being silent is the best way to approach this because I’ve always liked you guys and generally think almost all of you are very kind and upright people.
You all really don’t deserve this garbage.
You all really don’t deserve this garbage.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
We'll see how it plays out and we need the defense to make some stops, but you have to be excited about the way the offense has looked so far.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Disappointed with the result but that’s the most fun I’ve had watching a football game in a long time.
rockaction
Footballguy
I hope they keep that up for the duration of the year. Hope the defense shows up to help out. That was better than I thought it would be. It's sort of amazing what a real coaching staff might accomplish. I'll tune in to see what happens.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Stephens is clearly painfully bad. Dude gave up like 100+ yards just on his own dumb plays. Awful FA pickup just like everyone said when it was announced.
And Gipson's locker better be cleaned out by tomorrow morning. Find ANYONE else to return kicks. Hell....just fair catch everything. He will ALWAYS cough it up when you can't afford it.
Too conservative on that last 3rd down play call on the 2nd to last drive. Just gotta give him options that dont involve avoiding 3 guys in the backfield if someone misses a block.
Certainly a decent showing and Fields looked very good. But no moral victories.
And Gipson's locker better be cleaned out by tomorrow morning. Find ANYONE else to return kicks. Hell....just fair catch everything. He will ALWAYS cough it up when you can't afford it.
Too conservative on that last 3rd down play call on the 2nd to last drive. Just gotta give him options that dont involve avoiding 3 guys in the backfield if someone misses a block.
Certainly a decent showing and Fields looked very good. But no moral victories.
Chemical X
Footballguy
they played to lose at the end. and they did. gipson must have pictures of woody to remain roostered. 0-2 next week after another home loss.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
We can build off this but it still hurts
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The worst part is that we all saw it...well except for the people in charge.
Stephens was a bizarre signing at that cost. Thomas should take over when healthy. Gipson should have not been on this team. He's been a complete zero for the last couple of years, but today he was actually worse. Lazard inactive after preferring to play with a soccer ball. What is he around for, insurance? We have the league's worst safeties again. Anyway....
It was actually fun watching the offense today. Fields, Breece, and Wilson looked very good. Even Ruckert wasn't useless.
Rodgers threw some passes that could have been intercepted, but I think we butter our fingers before every game. Carter needs to pull down that INT. Quincy come on. Dumb penalty.
If Simpson is going to "protect" his qb, at least knock the guy over if you're taking a penalty. Slightly bumping into his facemask is not exactly protecting his qb. Possibly cost a fg. Still have to work on these dump penalties.
Hopefully we wake up and Gipson is on a one-way space shuttle to the moon.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think he's still living off that GW punt return from week 1 in 2023 - don't think he's really done anything since.
Agree with all of the above - no moral victories and they need to *still* clean up these ongoing dumb penalties. Good to see some real offensive production for the first time in awhile, but the defense needs to shore up as we can't get into these shootouts on a regular basis.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Echoing what others (and Glenn himself) have said I do not believe in moral victories. The Jets outplayed the Steelers for the majority of this game and lost because of the kicking (if Folk makes that kick I don't think they go for 2 and then they don't have to later), playing a returner all the fans wanted cut exactly for the reason he cost you this game, penalties and what everyone thought was a bad free agent signing in Stephens turning out to be even worse. In that way it really was the same ole Jets and I was pissed off at the end.
That said, there are things to build on. The O-line looked great moving people off the ball in the run game and Breece Hall looked every bit the franchise back he was on track to be before his injury. He was a night and day different player than we all saw last year. Fields looked really good too, the type of dynamic QB the Jets have literally never had in their history and Engstrand had a gameplan that utilized him well. Garrett Wilson looked the part of his new contract as well. As @Dr. Octopus said that was one of the most fun Jets offensive performances I think I've literally ever watched. I'm not expecting 30 points a game and I'm not expecting Fields to be that good all year, but man if they can be something closer to that than the anemic, one dimensional, offense they usually are that would be great. The DL looked pretty good too. McDonald and Johnson were getting pressure and Quinnen Williams looked like a stud.
Not very optimistic about Buffalo next week obviously. Allen is going to target and toast Stephens all day as well as make plays with his feet and I'm guessing the offense comes back to earth a bit. It sucks, because if they pulled out the win yesterday I'd be really excited about their prospects of being at least relevant for longer than usual this season. Now if feels like the same old uphill climb.
That said, there are things to build on. The O-line looked great moving people off the ball in the run game and Breece Hall looked every bit the franchise back he was on track to be before his injury. He was a night and day different player than we all saw last year. Fields looked really good too, the type of dynamic QB the Jets have literally never had in their history and Engstrand had a gameplan that utilized him well. Garrett Wilson looked the part of his new contract as well. As @Dr. Octopus said that was one of the most fun Jets offensive performances I think I've literally ever watched. I'm not expecting 30 points a game and I'm not expecting Fields to be that good all year, but man if they can be something closer to that than the anemic, one dimensional, offense they usually are that would be great. The DL looked pretty good too. McDonald and Johnson were getting pressure and Quinnen Williams looked like a stud.
Not very optimistic about Buffalo next week obviously. Allen is going to target and toast Stephens all day as well as make plays with his feet and I'm guessing the offense comes back to earth a bit. It sucks, because if they pulled out the win yesterday I'd be really excited about their prospects of being at least relevant for longer than usual this season. Now if feels like the same old uphill climb.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Their early season schedule is brutal.
I think that's totally understandable. I think most fans felt that way.
From the Rodgers angle, that was a huge storyline.
And just as all stories need tension from both sides, there was plenty from the other side.
Ian O'Connor's feature in the Athletic this morning did a good job of the other side of the motivation.
Aaron Rodgers’ takedown of Jets is one of the sweetest victories of his Hall of Fame career
Aaron Rodgers’ takedown of Jets is one of the sweetest victories of his Hall of Fame career
Rodgers had insisted the revenge match was just another game. But after winning, he was happy "to beat everybody associated with the Jets."
www.nytimes.com
Talked about former NBA star Tim Thomas and the perspective from the guy told he's no longer wanted.
It's such a human story to be rejected and told you're no longer wanted. I think that's a big reason this was such a big story. And such a big game.
And part of what makes the game so appealing to people. It's a game. But it's life stuff.
And for the Jets, as I said yesterday, I thought it was encouraging.
Fields is fun and they seemed inspired. They moved the ball much better against a Steelers defense I thought would be tougher.
Fields is fun and they seemed inspired. They moved the ball much better against a Steelers defense I thought would be tougher.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Meh, I literally couldn't care less about the Rodgers angle. The loss wouldn't have hurt any less if it was any other QB. The Jets made the right call moving on from him IMO for multiple reasons. The timeline of them being ready to really compete wasn't going to line up for the 41 year old QB. Being hamstrung by the personnel and offensive philosophy Rodgers wants wasn't the ideal path for a first time OC either. Fields, Breece and Wilson looking good in game 1 only strengthens that belief for me, but I would have felt that way even if they didn't. This team needed a change of direction and a change in identity. So far so good.
Rodgers is like any other competitor, he's going to find motivation wherever he can. Any perceived slight from the Jets and the new coaching staff is just noise to me. Good for you Aaron, now go away.
Rodgers is like any other competitor, he's going to find motivation wherever he can. Any perceived slight from the Jets and the new coaching staff is just noise to me. Good for you Aaron, now go away.
Cool. I think lots of people felt differently. And that's just human nature. It's what makes stories more compelling above and beyond the normal competition.
But you're right in that it has to be on to next week. This league is brutal that way in Week 2 is here for 30 teams.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Still recovering from an actual fun game - they checked a lot of boxes for me - but also showed some definite warts
QB - Played great - best a Jets QB under 35 has played since a few choice Sanchez hot streaks. He was making reads, had decent touch and looked more like a QB rather than a one trick pony running QB. I was thrilled to sign Fields and wanted to draft him over Zach - could this be the Jets 1st fortunate move to actually have a decent QB under 30 yrs old? Way too early to say but it was a nice 1st step against a tough D.
OL - solid outing and showed some good returns for the high investments.
RB - Breece looked like he turned back the clock. I think he dominates touches but Allen will still be in the mix - especially short yardage Goal line. Solid 3 deep RB room tho
WR - GW and who? Wilson played great - cant kill him on that last drop as he was pasted - but he looks every bit the star #1 WR - problem is the rest of the WRs are literally nothing. They need someone to step up or GW gonna keep seeing multiple coverages completely trying to take him out and let any other WR/TE beat him - could see Breece being the clear #2 receiving threat.
I think they are keeping Lazard to make sure he didnt get scooped up by Pitt before the game - and also maybe Arod pushes them to send a late pick for him - we can dream!
TE - Ruckert sighting - maybe the OSU connection will make him relevant - Mason had a nice play - still seems very green....will likely take some time
Def - Q is a monster - Will McD as well - seeing him tear up the Pitt OL including the Tackle that Belichick "out maneuvered" everyone to supposedly get him to Pitt and stick it to the jets was great to see. Not a lot of depth - dont have that rotation of solid backups like in past few yrs.
Defense has to play better - as said the big $ CB they signed was a head scratcher from the start - he graded awful and I have no idea who they were competing with to pay him what they did - one of the problems of having a former DB as HC - Glenn probably liked his measurables and figured he could fix him with coaching - he's gonna be a big problem and cost them a lot of big plays and games - not to mention he's a $20M cap hit if cut next yr - not good.
ST - Folk is vanilla ice cream without sprinkles - watching Boswell was like seeing the person at the next table get a monster hot fudge sunday. Huge weapon - Folk just isnt going to do that but for most part he should be ok - cant be chasing XPs tho. Gipson should have been cut last year - living off one big play - no way he should be on the field.
Coaching - I was very happy with what I saw -during game - solid gameplan and coaching - and after - "no moral victories"; "if you turn the ball over your not going to play" Lets see if he means what he says unlike Saleh.
As I said its game 1 in a new regime - it was a frustrating loss cause thats how the JEts figure out a way to lose - and to lose to Rodgers when he had so many times to pull wins like thats out for the jets is frustrating - but bottom line is there was a lot of good moments - and best of all fun exciting football. Record may not be there this year but Im getting more and more confident this team is building it the right way finally.
QB - Played great - best a Jets QB under 35 has played since a few choice Sanchez hot streaks. He was making reads, had decent touch and looked more like a QB rather than a one trick pony running QB. I was thrilled to sign Fields and wanted to draft him over Zach - could this be the Jets 1st fortunate move to actually have a decent QB under 30 yrs old? Way too early to say but it was a nice 1st step against a tough D.
OL - solid outing and showed some good returns for the high investments.
RB - Breece looked like he turned back the clock. I think he dominates touches but Allen will still be in the mix - especially short yardage Goal line. Solid 3 deep RB room tho
WR - GW and who? Wilson played great - cant kill him on that last drop as he was pasted - but he looks every bit the star #1 WR - problem is the rest of the WRs are literally nothing. They need someone to step up or GW gonna keep seeing multiple coverages completely trying to take him out and let any other WR/TE beat him - could see Breece being the clear #2 receiving threat.
I think they are keeping Lazard to make sure he didnt get scooped up by Pitt before the game - and also maybe Arod pushes them to send a late pick for him - we can dream!
TE - Ruckert sighting - maybe the OSU connection will make him relevant - Mason had a nice play - still seems very green....will likely take some time
Def - Q is a monster - Will McD as well - seeing him tear up the Pitt OL including the Tackle that Belichick "out maneuvered" everyone to supposedly get him to Pitt and stick it to the jets was great to see. Not a lot of depth - dont have that rotation of solid backups like in past few yrs.
Defense has to play better - as said the big $ CB they signed was a head scratcher from the start - he graded awful and I have no idea who they were competing with to pay him what they did - one of the problems of having a former DB as HC - Glenn probably liked his measurables and figured he could fix him with coaching - he's gonna be a big problem and cost them a lot of big plays and games - not to mention he's a $20M cap hit if cut next yr - not good.
ST - Folk is vanilla ice cream without sprinkles - watching Boswell was like seeing the person at the next table get a monster hot fudge sunday. Huge weapon - Folk just isnt going to do that but for most part he should be ok - cant be chasing XPs tho. Gipson should have been cut last year - living off one big play - no way he should be on the field.
Coaching - I was very happy with what I saw -during game - solid gameplan and coaching - and after - "no moral victories"; "if you turn the ball over your not going to play" Lets see if he means what he says unlike Saleh.
As I said its game 1 in a new regime - it was a frustrating loss cause thats how the JEts figure out a way to lose - and to lose to Rodgers when he had so many times to pull wins like thats out for the jets is frustrating - but bottom line is there was a lot of good moments - and best of all fun exciting football. Record may not be there this year but Im getting more and more confident this team is building it the right way finally.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Understand your point Joe but agree with Crash from Jet fan perspective anyway
I was at the game and to be honest I was surprised as to the apathy towards Rodgers by the Jets fans in attendance. No one really cares. It was a failed experiment and pretty much all Jet fans were fine with moving on. He didnt fit in the timeline for a new regime that had to build and find their own identity. Most fans I know would much rather roll the dice with Fields than another year of Rodgers.
Rodgers calling out the Jets for beating them - I havent heard any outrage from Jets or the fans - maybe its a story for Rodgers PR/Pat Mcafee show but not here. We just dont care.
now onto a really tough game vs the Bills.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think that was a story that should have been linked in the Rodgers thread not the Jets thread after this loss.
Just my opinion.
Thanks for sharing the opinion.
I will share in the Rodgers thread too. I thought it was relevant from a Jets and narrative perspective. I also would have thought the same if Rodgers had played poorly and the script were flipped.
But as I said above, it's on to week 2.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hopefully Josh Allen talks crap about the Jets after next week’s game so we have stuff to talk about on Monday after the game.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Well we had the chance to draft him and chose Big Head Darnold instead, so it sounds like a plausible media argument next week.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Would have been nice to beat Rodgers...but i don't have some crazy venom towards him. He came here with good intentions but generally went about a lot of things the wrong way. Hackett and all of Aaron's buddies (other than adams from a talent standpoint) were a disaster and if they had kept him.....it would have been another year of checking out of run plays and force feeding adams to the point where Wilson wouldn't have re-signed.
Maybe things go differently if he hasn't gotten hurt, but moving on was 100% the right play.
Maybe things go differently if he hasn't gotten hurt, but moving on was 100% the right play.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And while Rodgers had a very good game (although luck played some factor) yesterday showed they 100% made the right decision of going with the younger and more mobile QB.
This will sound like sour grapes, but if I was a Steeler’s fan I’d have concerns with Rodgers finishing the season. Their line was overmatched all game and he looks so frail out there.
Arthur Smith is much maligned but his offense was brilliant in that game, using the short passing game to beasts like DK and Jonnu and letting them run after the catch.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
the only peace I get is that if the jets ever drafted J Allen or Mahomes when they had the chance, the world would have missed out on years of amazing football as they would no doubt failed miserably to develop either
Chemical X
Footballguy
the jets drafting allen or mahomes would’ve been like finding a ring in the ocean. impossible. jets simply can not evaluate talent.
zamboni
Footballguy
Josh doesn’t roll that way, which is why it’s impossible to hate him and just have to sit back and respect him.
(Ok, he’s been my QB in my main league for six years)
Yes.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think you missed the point - but I'm ready to move on anyway.
zamboni
Footballguy
My bad - went over my head at first. I get it.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Other than the Metcalf pass that bounced around, what was luck?
Yes, steelers OL is a serious issue. But their backup OL's are unproven and just as risky, and its mostly LT, Jones, he was awful. Andrus Peat is on the team, but was inactive yesterday, but not sure he's any kind of answer. Rodgers is smart tho, he will see on tape, and know he cant hold the ball, and Smith will as well, and know he cant call long developing routes very often, unless a TE or RB are helping Jones. It limits the style of offense any team would want to run.
Give some credit to the NYJ DL, they got some dudes on that DL.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I'm not the one that said lucky, but there were two INTs that were dropped, one would have been a great play, but the one by Stephens should be caught 95% of the time. Being gifted that late field position due to the fumble was fortuitous as well. Rodgers played well, i'm not trying to take anything away from him, but if he played a team that doesn't historically shoot itself in the foot the outcome might not have been so great.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I should have said “luck had some factor in the win”, but in fairness some of the bad luck was self inflicted.
Rodgers did have a few interceptions dropped but that happens and is also on the players. There’s no doubt he played great yesterday.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jets are the 2nd best team in the AFC East
-They need to get their defense figured out quickly
Steelers-Jets was the best game of the afternoon and all of Sunday until the Bills-Ravens played last night
I saw many good things from Fields and I like that Hall was back to what we saw early when he first started
Pretty sure they will pulverize both the Phins and Pats, that's 4 wins right there. I can see them going 10-7/9-8 and Wildcard relevant to the end of the season
-They need to get their defense figured out quickly
Steelers-Jets was the best game of the afternoon and all of Sunday until the Bills-Ravens played last night
I saw many good things from Fields and I like that Hall was back to what we saw early when he first started
Pretty sure they will pulverize both the Phins and Pats, that's 4 wins right there. I can see them going 10-7/9-8 and Wildcard relevant to the end of the season
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Love the enthusiasm, but I'm guessing most of the Jets fans here will think as I do and believe it when we see it. Find a way to win one of the next two games while being competitive in the other and I might start to believe things are actually changing.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I'll be honest, I was just happy that our offense looked good after all these years. It felt good.
Not being able to close out that game felt pretty typical for us. That's something that they are going to have to learn to do.
Losing because of a guy fumbling that didn't belong on this team and some CB whose signing was a puzzle from day one was the really frustrating part.
Back to the drawing board. I'd be happy to be in a high-scoring game with Buffalo. I don't want to see Gipson out there again. Hopefully Thomas can start at CB in the next game or two. Bring on Malachi Moore at safety. Adams is terrible.
Not being able to close out that game felt pretty typical for us. That's something that they are going to have to learn to do.
Losing because of a guy fumbling that didn't belong on this team and some CB whose signing was a puzzle from day one was the really frustrating part.
Back to the drawing board. I'd be happy to be in a high-scoring game with Buffalo. I don't want to see Gipson out there again. Hopefully Thomas can start at CB in the next game or two. Bring on Malachi Moore at safety. Adams is terrible.
rockaction
Footballguy
I personally couldn't care less about Rodgers and his reaction to the win yesterday. I soured on Rodgers for other things, but he seemed to give his wrongheaded all to the Jets organization.
I'm looking on X/Twitter and nobody cares and everyone is surprised (and not even upset) that Rodgers said what he did post-game. It's only the media. That's it. It's for clicks and eyeballs and it is a failing story with no legs.
Anyway, on to the next week for both the Jets and Rodgers, who as Bill Barnwell noted, didn't throw a single pass over 20 yards in the air. Barnwell also called his resurgence "Fake (Mostly)"
www.espn.com
I'm looking on X/Twitter and nobody cares and everyone is surprised (and not even upset) that Rodgers said what he did post-game. It's only the media. That's it. It's for clicks and eyeballs and it is a failing story with no legs.
Anyway, on to the next week for both the Jets and Rodgers, who as Bill Barnwell noted, didn't throw a single pass over 20 yards in the air. Barnwell also called his resurgence "Fake (Mostly)"
Barnwell separates fact from fiction off NFL Week 1: Is it too early to worry about the Lions?
Let's size up the legitimacy of the Lions' offensive woes, two run-game surges, Aaron Rodgers' big day and the Dolphins' ineptitude in Week 1.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Most fans can't see the forest for the trees.
This Jets team might have a qb. This team might have a head coach. A qb and coach is about 75% of the way to a wildcard spot. Y'all haven't had that... Does Rex Ryan even count?
Just keep running read options and everything will be fine.
rockaction
Footballguy
I will still have to say that I hope we throw the ball more than 17 times a game.
Yikes.
eta* He threw the ball 22 times. That's better.
Yikes.
eta* He threw the ball 22 times. That's better.
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Chemical X
Footballguy
i see alot of optimism here about the jest and i am still skeptical. simply being a lifelong fan makes me a skeptic, until i see wins. the defensive backfield remains a sieve, as this franchise hates safeties. as long as stephens is on the field it negates gardner, as teams have an easy way around. i am encouraged by the OL, but i’d be happier if 2 premium picks weren’t wasted on bec(weighs a)ton and avt. would love another wr this century, having hall operate as wr2 will cause problems for fields. i disagree with @Ministry of Pain , as i see 5-12. i don’t see NE nor Mia sweeps, maybe a split in the best scenario. i think this team has a chance for an 0-6 start, with 3 of those at home.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I had mentioned Smith’s game plan was all short passes to DK and the TEs and let them run after the catch but didn’t realize it was that drastic.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, while I was watching I sort of noticed it but thought the play action/roll for the touchdown was more than twenty yards, but I've seen the throw chart and Barnwell went with it, so he's usually correct.
eta* I think I'm seeing the beat reporter Williamson correcting himself and saying there was one pass over twenty yards
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zamboni
Footballguy
I don’t mind if JF is throwing the ball 20-25 times if it’s a result of the run game being effective and the defense being stout. Unfortunately, as we know, those two factors are not going to be simultaneous on a regular basis.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Also hard to get the deep routes developing when the LT lets the Jet player run past them. Steelers, maybe they know their flaws, and had to run the quick hitting stuff. HAving Metcalf run after a catch is never a bad thing. If its a TE centric west coast offense, I am fine with that. Jonnu isnt a bad player to run that with.
The Steelers OL, basically LT, is going to be an issue every game. I think the other 4 OL did okay, didnt run the ball worth a crap, but that pass rush, or lack of blocking the pass rush, can be dangerous. Hate to think what Myles Garrett is gonna do to Brod Jones.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I thought Bro Jones was a stud and Pitt/Belichick conspired to screw over the hapless Jets that were asleep at the switch and after missing out on Jones panicked and reached for a project in Will McDonald lolAlso hard to get the deep routes developing when the LT lets the Jet player run past them. Steelers, maybe they know their flaws, and had to run the quick hitting stuff. HAving Metcalf run after a catch is never a bad thing. If its a TE centric west coast offense, I am fine with that. Jonnu isnt a bad player to run that with.
The Steelers OL, basically LT, is going to be an issue every game. I think the other 4 OL did okay, didnt run the ball worth a crap, but that pass rush, or lack of blocking the pass rush, can be dangerous. Hate to think what Myles Garrett is gonna do to Brod Jones.
I know its fun to "grade" a draft right after but this is a good reminder to let things play out - yes AVT/Becton were busts but this one played out well at least so its not all doom.
