Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (1 Viewer)

[Chemical X]

I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.

I think they found their QB.. I don't think Fields is playing bad at all, but he needs help. They need a good second choice for him at wideout. All he has is Wilson.
That said, last night the whole turning point was Allen fumble going in for 6. If he scores there, the whole game might of been different.

i disagree. i just don’t think fields can throw the ball well enough in a passing league. he simply doesn’t process reads. you can see it. he doesn’t trust his eyes or just doesn’t have the confidence. he’s slow, holds the ball, then scrambles/fumbles. he can do some things, just not enough to be a consistent winner in the league.

 

[TLEF316]

I turned off the game before it happened, but just saw a replay of the late hit on Ruckert.

Again, the Jets are a trash franchise and this version is awful....but that non call absolutely screams "different rules for different teams". That happens to Kelce and the national guard gets called in

 

[rockaction]

I turned off the game before it happened, but just saw a replay of the late hit on Ruckert.

Again, the Jets are a trash franchise and this version is awful....but that non call absolutely screams "different rules for different teams". That happens to Kelce and the national guard gets called in

I was watching some of the plays this morning/late last night and the refereeing deserved a bunch of clips sent to the league office. It was probably the most blatantly terrible officiating job I can remember seeing in the NFL for quite some time, which is saying something.

The Jets could have had one of their players maimed last night and there likely wouldn't have been a flag or it would have been missed. Have you seen the still of Tippmann's helmet shoved completely off by the Miami DL with what is obviously hands to the face? The Jets picked up a penalty on the play.

WTF?

Here you go:

https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1972842501917848023

 

[rockaction]

This is awesome. We were this much better than Miami on offense last night. It's almost comedic how we lost that game. Oh, and our defense is atrocious.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973009006487916594/photo/1

 

[rockaction]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

 

[Kiddnets]

That fumble by BA at the GL is the full Jet experience. They looked amazing that drive and of course cant even finish it - then they have him running back kicks for some reason and he hurts his knee.

Bar for me was very low this year - develop AG as a coach and try to develop Fields into a long term QB - neither looking good right now.

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous but concerning flags are popping - penalties are worse somehow, turnovers continue one way of course, very iffy gameplan, baffling decisions like having BA return kicks, punting when trailing by 14 at midfield, handling of fields - AG is not coming off well so far and with his in your face style thats not going to go well

As for Fields - I dont understand their handling of him - he is who he is - let him cook. Sure he'll make some mistakes but he also makes plays that we havent seen around here in a long time - they are trying to make him into something hes not by handcuffing him IMO.

0-4 and staring at Dallas next week and a Met Life stadium full of Cowboy fans.....likely 0-5.

 

[Kiddnets]

0-4 and literally out of contention before September ends -

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss"

 

[rockaction]

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous

No, it isn't. The playcalling, personnel deployment, penalties, discipline, and all these little things that bright coaches don't do have been done by Aaron Glenn. They were tacitly and impliedly making fun of him on the broadcast last night. They said that Miami knew our snap count and tells and that Miami could tell what we were doing on offense when we would try to run a play. The broadcasters were even briefly going into how obvious it was and how telegraphed the Jets made it. Glenn hasn't passed one test yet, besides he and the offense during one game (they did with the OC's play calls against Pittsburgh). Other than that, nothing has gone right.

I did not want to be negative this year or harp on Aaron Glenn, who a lot of people seem to like. But every shred of evidence has pointed to him being awful. By my layman's understanding and by those who understand the game much more in-depth than I do.

 

[karl.Racki]

0-4 and literally out of contention before September ends -

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss"

0-4 sucks, but they are basically 3-4 plays from being 3-1. So I don't know if it's time to totally panic yet. Compared to Jets of years past, This team isn't as bad IMO

 

[karl.Racki]

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous

No, it isn't. The playcalling, personnel deployment, penalties, discipline, and all these little things that bright coaches don't do have been done by Aaron Glenn. They were tacitly and impliedly making fun of him on the broadcast last night. They said that Miami knew our snap count and tells and that Miami could tell what we were doing on offense when we would try to run a play. The broadcasters were even briefly going into how obvious it was and how telegraphed the Jets made it. Glenn hasn't passed one test yet, besides he and the offense during one game (they did with the OC's play calls against Pittsburgh). Other than that, nothing has gone right.

I did not want to be negative this year or harp on Aaron Glenn, who a lot of people seem to like. But every shred of evidence has pointed to him being awful. By my layman's understanding and by those who understand the game much more in-depth than I do.

It is.. Dude has the team playing better than they have in years.. 0-4 sucks, but they should have beaten Pittsburgh and Tampa, and the fumble last night was a back breaker. A 14 point swing

 

[Kiddnets]

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous

No, it isn't. The playcalling, personnel deployment, penalties, discipline, and all these little things that bright coaches don't do have been done by Aaron Glenn. They were tacitly and impliedly making fun of him on the broadcast last night. They said that Miami knew our snap count and tells and that Miami could tell what we were doing on offense when we would try to run a play. The broadcasters were even briefly going into how obvious it was and how telegraphed the Jets made it. Glenn hasn't passed one test yet, besides he and the offense during one game (they did with the OC's play calls against Pittsburgh). Other than that, nothing has gone right.

I did not want to be negative this year or harp on Aaron Glenn, who a lot of people seem to like. But every shred of evidence has pointed to him being awful. By my layman's understanding and by those who understand the game much more in-depth than I do.

I definitely understand the anger - but IMO you cant judge a regime 4 games or even 1 season in. Think Campbell's 1st season he was 3-13. Even Gase and Kotite got 2 full years lol. If the team looks like this next year 4 games in then I'll listen.

 

[rockaction]

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous

No, it isn't. The playcalling, personnel deployment, penalties, discipline, and all these little things that bright coaches don't do have been done by Aaron Glenn. They were tacitly and impliedly making fun of him on the broadcast last night. They said that Miami knew our snap count and tells and that Miami could tell what we were doing on offense when we would try to run a play. The broadcasters were even briefly going into how obvious it was and how telegraphed the Jets made it. Glenn hasn't passed one test yet, besides he and the offense during one game (they did with the OC's play calls against Pittsburgh). Other than that, nothing has gone right.

I did not want to be negative this year or harp on Aaron Glenn, who a lot of people seem to like. But every shred of evidence has pointed to him being awful. By my layman's understanding and by those who understand the game much more in-depth than I do.

I definitely understand the anger - but IMO you cant judge a regime 4 games or even 1 season in. Think Campbell's 1st season he was 3-13. Even Gase and Kotite got 2 full years lol. If the team looks like this next year 4 games in then I'll listen.

Yep. I'm trying to tell myself that but there are so many more red flags than Campbell. Campbell lost, but his coaching was unimpeachable from the jump other than going for it more than people thought he should. Glenn strikes me as having immediate problems with the basics and a cognitive understanding of the game.

 

[Kiddnets]

Im reading AG on the hot seat which is ridiculous

No, it isn't. The playcalling, personnel deployment, penalties, discipline, and all these little things that bright coaches don't do have been done by Aaron Glenn. They were tacitly and impliedly making fun of him on the broadcast last night. They said that Miami knew our snap count and tells and that Miami could tell what we were doing on offense when we would try to run a play. The broadcasters were even briefly going into how obvious it was and how telegraphed the Jets made it. Glenn hasn't passed one test yet, besides he and the offense during one game (they did with the OC's play calls against Pittsburgh). Other than that, nothing has gone right.

I did not want to be negative this year or harp on Aaron Glenn, who a lot of people seem to like. But every shred of evidence has pointed to him being awful. By my layman's understanding and by those who understand the game much more in-depth than I do.

I definitely understand the anger - but IMO you cant judge a regime 4 games or even 1 season in. Think Campbell's 1st season he was 3-13. Even Gase and Kotite got 2 full years lol. If the team looks like this next year 4 games in then I'll listen.

Yep. I'm trying to tell myself that but there are so many more red flags than Campbell. Campbell lost, but his coaching was unimpeachable from the jump other than going for it more than people thought he should. Glenn strikes me as having immediate problems with the basics and a cognitive understanding of the game.

My recollection is detroit looked like a dumpster fire 1st half of the season with Campbell a laughingstock until the last few games which showed promise - then turned it on the following year. Regardless AG deserves time but definitely some flags - his agitated relationship with the media wont help.

I think a lot of it is a roster problem - AG was a bit overconfident on how he could fix and coach up some of these players - some are just bad and he needs to weed them out fast. Penalties and turnovers are a sign of undisciplined team and poor coaching so that needs to change fast

 

[Kiddnets]

And btw AG - that whole "I dont know what same old jets even means" - ill help.

having an opening 8 minute drive to the one yard line and fumbling - committing double digit penalties - getting a core player hurt because he was running back stupid kickoffs - fair catching a punt on the 2 yd line - punting on the 50 in t he 4th quarter when down by 2 TDs - defense giving up long drives and missing out on turnovers practically handed to them - this is the same old Jets AG......until further notice its you! Deal with it and start the change.

 

[zamboni]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101
It's actually unwise.

Said to my buddy last night if they’re going to play 1940s football, then just break out the leather helmets and knee-high tube socks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.

I can understand that frustration. I thought that would change pretty quickly.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

I know it's a stereotype but that's my worry with a defensive minded head coach.

I know Belichick and Tomlin. But I'll almost always prefer the offensive minded head coach in 2025.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

I know it's a stereotype but that's my worry with a defensive minded head coach.

I know Belichick and Tomlin. But I'll almost always prefer the offensive minded head coach in 2025.

I think we all wanted an offensive minded coach but none of any pedigree are ever interested in the jets. Glen was clearly the best candidate that they could land without a franchise QB on roster

 

[RC94]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

I know it's a stereotype but that's my worry with a defensive minded head coach.

I know Belichick and Tomlin. But I'll almost always prefer the offensive minded head coach in 2025.

I think we all wanted an offensive minded coach but none of any pedigree are ever interested in the jets. Glen was clearly the best candidate that they could land without a franchise QB on roster

I don't blame the coaches for the lack of passing as much as I do the fact that they know Fields can't be successful in a passing oriented offense. If they had a better passing QB, I'm sure they would pass much more.

 

[rockaction]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

I know it's a stereotype but that's my worry with a defensive minded head coach.

I know Belichick and Tomlin. But I'll almost always prefer the offensive minded head coach in 2025.

I think we all wanted an offensive minded coach but none of any pedigree are ever interested in the jets. Glen was clearly the best candidate that they could land without a franchise QB on roster

I don't blame the coaches for the lack of passing as much as I do the fact that they know Fields can't be successful in a passing oriented offense. If they had a better passing QB, I'm sure they would pass much more.

There are actually a few rebuttals to that, and there are two assumptions you're making that I don't think are as ironclad as your statement supposes.

That assumption is that quarterbacks come fully formed and it's a binary thing whether a QB is good or bad. Not only do you have an issue of development, you also have play calling that can minimize/maximize risk, and personnel decisions that affect offensive output.

So it's not that easy. Anecdotally, defensive coaches tend to call plays more conservatively and make personnel decisions that minimize mistake and risk on offense. In addition, it's hard to imagine (though Glenn is adamant he does both sides of the ball) a cornerback in his playing days developing a young QB. He just doesn't know the position intimately. He's not an offensive play caller or guru, so your development, play calling, and potential personnel decisions cap the QB's potential.

Now, I admit these are generalizations, but I don't think they're horribly inaccurate or easily assailable.

So it's not as easy as saying, "Well, if he had Tom Brady." Fields is a developmental project that needs refinement and an infusion of coaching. Aaron Glenn and Tanner Engstrom are a tandem where it sort of falls on Engstrom.

There's a second assumption, and that is that even with that fully formed QB, Glenn's choice or philosophy about how to run an offense would be pass-neutral. We don't and can't know that. I'm not sure what would make us sure of that.

Anyway, it's nice to think that but I'm not sure it's warranted.

 

[rockaction]

It's been a long night and day, but then I think about this in addition to everything and I could crap a better draft than we had after the second round, and when we did our huge mock, I picked our first two picks, so . . . but this was stupefying.

Ron Stewart
@RonStewart_
4h

Arian Smith has run the 8th most routes among rookie WRs with 78Smith has just 10 receiving yards, 18th among 23 qualified rookie WRs. Thats good for a 0.13 YPRR, which ranks 21st.The Jets drafted Arian Smith over Elic Ayomanor & Tory Horton.

https://x.com/RonStewart_/status/1973053160768913795

Yeah, Ron's a rando from the internet. He also seems to know more about football than our GM.

 

[rockaction]

Let's play more fun stats from the internet, this time from Jacob Gibbs of CBS (who so far I think is an excellent FF analyst)

Breece Hall has rushed for 10+ yards 15.4% of this rushes. He's tied for third in the NFL. He has rushed for 15+ 11.5% of the time, which appears to be first in the NFL. He has only rushed for 20+ 1.9% of the time, which actually tells me he's still not right because once you get there . . . well . . .it seems like a lower percentage compared to the guys around him on that leaderboard. This is an Etienne Tweet, by the way

https://x.com/jagibbs_23/status/1973105437852721401

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's been a long night and day, but then I think about this in addition to everything and I could crap a better draft than we had after the second round, and when we did our huge mock, I picked our first two picks, so . . . but this was stupefying.

Ron Stewart
@RonStewart_
4h

Arian Smith has run the 8th most routes among rookie WRs with 78Smith has just 10 receiving yards, 18th among 23 qualified rookie WRs. Thats good for a 0.13 YPRR, which ranks 21st.The Jets drafted Arian Smith over Elic Ayomanor & Tory Horton.

https://x.com/RonStewart_/status/1973053160768913795

Yeah, Ron's a rando from the internet. He also seems to know more about football than our GM.

I don’t think we can make any conclusions about Smith’s career or potential in any way based on this limited sample size in a low volume passing game with inconsistent passing.

Some people just need content I guess.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The Jets throw less than expected 70% of the time. That is a ridiculous stat.

https://x.com/SamHoppen/status/1973024502310478101

It's actually unwise.

Gosh darn it. We just . . . we got another defensive coach and frankly, i think it stinks. This is why it's no fun to watch the Jets.

I know it's a stereotype but that's my worry with a defensive minded head coach.

I know Belichick and Tomlin. But I'll almost always prefer the offensive minded head coach in 2025.

I think we all wanted an offensive minded coach but none of any pedigree are ever interested in the jets. Glen was clearly the best candidate that they could land without a franchise QB on roster

Understood. It's easy to say "I want this". Reality of who can get is different. Sean McVay isn't leaving Los Angeles.

LIam Coen and Kellen Moore were seen differently I know but I wonder if I wouldn't rather have someone in that category.

On the upside, one of my closest friends does (non football) work for Glenn and he thinks he's awesome.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And for sure, you have to give Glenn a few years. I'm not suggesting anything otherwise.

I just feel strongly if I owned a team, I'd go with almost exclusively offensive minded head coaches (preferably play callers too).

That way it's not so disruptive when the all star OC gets poached every other year.

 

[rockaction]

It's been a long night and day, but then I think about this in addition to everything and I could crap a better draft than we had after the second round, and when we did our huge mock, I picked our first two picks, so . . . but this was stupefying.

Ron Stewart
@RonStewart_
4h

Arian Smith has run the 8th most routes among rookie WRs with 78Smith has just 10 receiving yards, 18th among 23 qualified rookie WRs. Thats good for a 0.13 YPRR, which ranks 21st.The Jets drafted Arian Smith over Elic Ayomanor & Tory Horton.

https://x.com/RonStewart_/status/1973053160768913795

Yeah, Ron's a rando from the internet. He also seems to know more about football than our GM.

I don’t think we can make any conclusions about Smith’s career or potential in any way based on this limited sample size in a low volume passing game with inconsistent passing.

Some people just need content I guess.

Nah, that's not really it. He's just a rando fan. He's making an observation. I wouldn't be so dismissive. Given Smith's age (24), the round taken in the draft (4th), that he was a significant reach that pretty much every draft publication commented on (which is kind of odd for a Day 3 guy, but he was such a reach) and that he has run 78 routes garnering 4 targets for 10 yards total we can wonder if the playing and development time given to him isn't costing the Jets from letting somebody else have that time.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's been a long night and day, but then I think about this in addition to everything and I could crap a better draft than we had after the second round, and when we did our huge mock, I picked our first two picks, so . . . but this was stupefying.

Ron Stewart
@RonStewart_
4h

Arian Smith has run the 8th most routes among rookie WRs with 78Smith has just 10 receiving yards, 18th among 23 qualified rookie WRs. Thats good for a 0.13 YPRR, which ranks 21st.The Jets drafted Arian Smith over Elic Ayomanor & Tory Horton.

https://x.com/RonStewart_/status/1973053160768913795

Yeah, Ron's a rando from the internet. He also seems to know more about football than our GM.

I don’t think we can make any conclusions about Smith’s career or potential in any way based on this limited sample size in a low volume passing game with inconsistent passing.

Some people just need content I guess.

Nah, that's not really it. He's just a rando fan. He's making an observation. I wouldn't be so dismissive. Given Smith's age (24), the round taken in the draft (4th), that he was a significant reach that pretty much every draft publication commented on (which is kind of odd for a Day 3 guy, but he was such a reach) and that he has run 78 routes garnering 4 targets for 10 yards total we can wonder if the playing and development time given to him isn't costing the Jets from letting somebody else have that time.

Do you think Horton or Ayomanor would be doing much better in this offense?
I’m not saying it was a good pick and I do remember some pundits said he was a reach but those numbers seem meaningless at this point as to whether or not Smith will turn out to have been a good pick or not. Hes on the field at least which is better than some past Jets draft picks.

 

[rockaction]

It's been a long night and day, but then I think about this in addition to everything and I could crap a better draft than we had after the second round, and when we did our huge mock, I picked our first two picks, so . . . but this was stupefying.

Ron Stewart
@RonStewart_
4h

Arian Smith has run the 8th most routes among rookie WRs with 78Smith has just 10 receiving yards, 18th among 23 qualified rookie WRs. Thats good for a 0.13 YPRR, which ranks 21st.The Jets drafted Arian Smith over Elic Ayomanor & Tory Horton.

https://x.com/RonStewart_/status/1973053160768913795

Yeah, Ron's a rando from the internet. He also seems to know more about football than our GM.

I don’t think we can make any conclusions about Smith’s career or potential in any way based on this limited sample size in a low volume passing game with inconsistent passing.

Some people just need content I guess.

Nah, that's not really it. He's just a rando fan. He's making an observation. I wouldn't be so dismissive. Given Smith's age (24), the round taken in the draft (4th), that he was a significant reach that pretty much every draft publication commented on (which is kind of odd for a Day 3 guy, but he was such a reach) and that he has run 78 routes garnering 4 targets for 10 yards total we can wonder if the playing and development time given to him isn't costing the Jets from letting somebody else have that time.

Do you think Horton or Ayomanor would be doing much better in this offense?
I’m not saying it was a good pick and I do remember some pundits said he was a reach but those numbers seems meaningless to whether or not Smith will turn out to have been a good pick or not.

I don't know. But I'm having hard time believing they could do worse than 78 routes that beget 4 targets for 3 catches (uh, nice catch rate, I guess) and ten yards. That's woeful.

I mean, we've seen some obviously funky stuff from the GM and coach. I've been following it for sure, and it's things like people will point out how many fumbles and muffs guys had on punts and kicks before they joined the Jets in the pros and college. Mougey and Glenn will then pick the guys with clear issues in the past and then they'll wonder why it didn't work out.

This guy Arian Smith was so notable to many of the media outlets because he was considered by most outlets who published (and that means it's public info, which does differ from team consensus and there were teams that called him a fifth-rounder) mock drafts—entities that make up the public draftnik consensus—considered him at best a seventh rounder. PFF had him ranked at #343 overall. That's not a typo. You don't even give a guy like that your practice time because he's taking it away from viable candidates for your club, never mind pay him money.

So there was a huge disparity. And guys like Horton, who was coming off of surgery, or Ayomanor, who just got his game dogged a little by people who thought he was raw were clearly ranked ahead of Smith and have done well with their clubs.

I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder what the heck they were thinking given his performance so far. This shouldn't be a developmental project at the age of 24.

Tell me something. Do you think this pick sounds like a good one? A reasonable one? Do you think this was a wise way to address our hole at WR2?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Tell me something. Do you think this pick sounds like a good one? A reasonable one? Do you think this was a wise way to address our hole at WR2?

I think I’ve basically responded to this already and I don’t think this is the thread to go back and forth in, so I’ll rest on what I’ve actually said so far and leave it at that.

 

[NYRAGE]

I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.

This is probably the most key post since the game.

Did anyone expect them to win this year? No. Did we expect them to cut out the penalties and lack of discipline? Yes. It may be only 4 games, but this is a big fail this year. The players are morons, but this management isn't doing itself favors.

We never added a pass rusher even though JJ was coming off a serious injury and he is hurt again.
They never added a second WR even though Ray Charles could see it was a major issue.
They still don't have one NFL starting caliber safety. Adams is atrocious and Moore only got 2 snaps (I think he is the one the tackled Hill on one of his 2 snaps).

Breece gets banged up on the first drive, so they put Allen in on kick-offs and he gets hurt. Breece came back in, but regardless why have an important (at least in their eyes) offensive player returning kicks? Is anyone thinking?

Why add two returners (one on roster and one on practice squad) and we have Allen back there? Not to mention a guy that looked great returning kicks in the pre-season (and stuck on the practice squad) and the guy they for week1 kept cost us the game in week 1 even though he had never done anything since his first career game.

So Glenn is interviewed on tv at half time and mentions that they have to cut down on fumbles. So what happens, the kick-off returner fumbles on the first play of the second half. Then the same guy, Williams, does a fair catch at the 2-3 yard line. WTF??? Doesn't this guy know not to catch a ball that 99% of the time goes for a touchback??? What kind of morons are on this team?

As far as the penalties go, aside from the Ruckert one, what about Wilson called for pushing off that negated a td? That was barely a touch and meanwhile other WRs win shoving contests without a call? Plus how does every fumble not get recovered? They are like 1 for the last 148 fumbles. This franchise is cursed. It's bad enough that we are inept, but we also have to battle the refs and outside forces. No hope.

 

[rockaction]

Tell me something. Do you think this pick sounds like a good one? A reasonable one? Do you think this was a wise way to address our hole at WR2?

I think I’ve basically responded to this already and I don’t think this is the thread to go back and forth in, so I’ll rest on what I’ve actually said so far and leave it at that.

You actually didn’t and you asked me a question.

I think you might have been saying something embedded in your question now that you’ve sort of been terse about it. I don’t know. I usually try to be direct. I explained myself, but I’m not sure you really want a reasoned argument that deals with your implied assertion of “too soon to judge him and it’s stupid to do so” in a fair but critical manner.

And it is reasoned, and well thought-out—and it’s ironic you’d blunt the discussion with a rhetorical question that smuggled in a point of debate. In a further irony, I honestly don’t think I require the burden of proof for a debate about the future performance of this guy. I think the whole point of every drafting publication that commented was a professional way to say—this pick? It’s ****ing terrible, and we’re not really sure what they’re doing.

So yeah, you can wait and indirectly get upset about what you consider a too quickly judged and ill-considered declaration, but . . .

well I explained at length but I’ll eat it for now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You actually didn’t and you asked me a question.

Yes, I did. Read again.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Tell me something. Do you think this pick sounds like a good one? A reasonable one? Do you think this was a wise way to address our hole at WR2?

I think I’ve basically responded to this already and I don’t think this is the thread to go back and forth in, so I’ll rest on what I’ve actually said so far and leave it at that.

You actually didn’t and you asked me a question.

I think you might have been saying something embedded in your question now that you’ve sort of been terse about it. I don’t know. I usually try to be direct. I explained myself, but I’m not sure you really want a reasoned argument that deals with your implied assertion of “too soon to judge him and it’s stupid to do so” in a fair but critical manner.

And it is reasoned, and well thought-out—and it’s ironic you’d blunt the discussion with a rhetorical question that smuggled in a point of debate. In a further irony, I honestly don’t think I require the burden of proof for a debate about the future performance of this guy. I think the whole point of every drafting publication that commented was a professional way to say—this pick? It’s ****ing terrible, and we’re not really sure what they’re doing.

So yeah, you can wait and indirectly get upset about what you consider a too quickly judged and ill-considered declaration, but . . .

well I explained at length but I’ll eat it for now.

This was pretty insulting now that I reread it - honestly if you read the exchange again, I was making one point (too early to say) and didn’t want to go beyond that.

Find another partner if you want have an inane sharkpool pissing contest.

I’m probably now done with sharkpool entirely including this thread.

Have a great season guys.

 

[LBH]

The lack of discipline and costly turnovers are ridiculous. Really disappointing so far. I was expecting a lot more from the coaching staff . Guess it’s time to look at NFL mock drafts again.
The officiating was terrible during the Miami game but it wasn’t officiating that fumbled the ball on the half yard line or fumbled on the return, or fair caught the ball at our own 3 yard line. 13 penalties. The Jets were guilty of most of those. Just terrible.

 

[rockaction]

Tell me something. Do you think this pick sounds like a good one? A reasonable one? Do you think this was a wise way to address our hole at WR2?

I think I’ve basically responded to this already and I don’t think this is the thread to go back and forth in, so I’ll rest on what I’ve actually said so far and leave it at that.

You actually didn’t and you asked me a question.

I think you might have been saying something embedded in your question now that you’ve sort of been terse about it. I don’t know. I usually try to be direct. I explained myself, but I’m not sure you really want a reasoned argument that deals with your implied assertion of “too soon to judge him and it’s stupid to do so” in a fair but critical manner.

And it is reasoned, and well thought-out—and it’s ironic you’d blunt the discussion with a rhetorical question that smuggled in a point of debate. In a further irony, I honestly don’t think I require the burden of proof for a debate about the future performance of this guy. I think the whole point of every drafting publication that commented was a professional way to say—this pick? It’s ****ing terrible, and we’re not really sure what they’re doing.

So yeah, you can wait and indirectly get upset about what you consider a too quickly judged and ill-considered declaration, but . . .

well I explained at length but I’ll eat it for now.

This was pretty insulting now that I reread it - honestly if you read the exchange again, I was making one point (too early to say) and didn’t want to go beyond that.

Find another partner if you want have an inane sharkpool pissing contest.

I’m probably now done with sharkpool entirely including this thread.

Have a great season guys.

I wasn’t trying to be a jerk or obtuse and insult you.

I just went back and read our exchange. I’m not sure, but it seems like you concluded that nobody could venture an assessment of the pick yet and you said “I guess some people just need content.”

That doesn’t seem like I’m trying to get in any sort of pissing match. Sounds like you wanted to assert something and then ascribe a motive to the guy posting. And it was dismissive, or it reads that way, so I responded because I saw fit to re-post the assertion the assertion because I thought it was salient and relevant to the other gaping holes in our roster.

I wasn’t trying to be insulting or rude whatsoever. If I was, then maybe you’re reading my tone as incorrectly as I’m reading yours. Anyway, I am not chapped so hope you stick around, Doc. I need some sleep so I’ll be fading soon. Peace.

 

[Deepster]

When Glenn was hired? I thought "Great. Another defensive coordinator first time head coach"
When camp was happening? I thought "He's saying the right things and for once? There is no drama or stupidity coming out of camp"
Four games in? I just don't see Glenn's vision coming through at all in any facet of the game. They don't run or pass well, can't block, don't defend the run or the pass. Tons of stupid penalties.

They'll give him the requisite 3-4 years, then it's fire him, fire the OC/DC/GM. Lather, rinse, repeat. No reason to think otherwise so far.

 

[Kiddnets]

Seems that for once the fans and pundits are on same page and correct. No one is expecting Jets to win or make the playoffs - all that was expected was high level effort, solid coaching plans, smart disciplined football cutting down penalties and turnovers - we havent seen any of that. On top of it AG is already in a pissing contest with the media and saying stupid things like hes not sure what Same old Jets even means.

Thankfully its early and he has time to turn things around but so far I havent been impressed with what Ive seen. good vibes from week 1 are long gone - he needs a good solid game this Sunday in a hostile home crowd that will be booing constantly and full of Cowboy fans.

 

[Deepster]

I will say, I guess I like the fact he's trying to hold guys accountable by releasing them, trading for others, screaming in the locker room. It'll actually mean something when the on-field product shows it's working though.

 

[TLEF316]

Not competitive. Not watchable. Total joke of a franchise

 

[LBH]

So undisciplined. No intensity. The usual mistakes. This team is so hard to watch

 

[rockaction]

11 penalties called on the Jets and one wqs declined.

10-61

5 false starts
1 offensive offside (declined)
1 ineligble downfield
3 offensive holding
1 neurtral zone

We only fumbled once, so that was an improvement.

 

[rockaction]

Brownlee didn’t play today. I wonder if we will find out what happened Monday when we get our weekly installment of Glenn berates the media.

You know, the Patriots had decided to fire Mayo in his first year before the year was even over, and they really benefited from dumping the ballast overboard. No reason that can’t also happen to the GM that left the organization totally talentless. I mean I was gentle about it when I brought it up. This team sucked.

 

[rockaction]

In Arian Smith news, he ran 34 routes and was targeted once. He caught the ball for 14 yards,

He now has 111 routes run and 4 catches for 24 yards

That gives a him a YPRR of .22, which would render him 66th out of 66 qualified receivers if the requirement is 100 routes run
The same YPPR would render him 107th out of 107 receivers in the requirement were 50 routes run
The same YPP of .22 would render him 130th out of 135 receivers if we made the requirement 25 routes run

There are more stats but the 5 targets over 111 routes run is just . . . multitudes.

I'm also not sure what I was thinking about when I said six wins or that we needed to be patient with these guys running the show if they're this bad.

Post in thread 'Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues'

Jul 24, 2025

I think the low ranking is more than fair. I don't know what else to say other than that. Our DEs are either hurt or got pushed around last year. Q is alone in the middle for the most part. Sauce can't tackle. Our LBs are very good, but it's not a premium position. So we have a NT or DI and a good LB corps with one CB and one nickel back.

On offense, we have a QB nobody seems to think can hack it, an RB coming off a questionable year, one WR1 and then nothing at 2 or 3, what seems like a very promising OL, and a promising TE draft pick.

There's a lot we don't have cemented. No offense...

• rockaction

 

[Uncle Leo]

So undisciplined. No intensity. The usual mistakes. This team is so hard to watch

Just noticed your avatar. I’m an sorry. I’m almost in the same boat as I too root for the Mets. My other team is the Giants. Not any better than the Jets. Actually I believe the Giants have a worse record in the last 10 years.

 

[RC94]

From ESPN's week 5 takeaway article https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ions-takeaways-lessons-stats-recap-every-game:

Is coach Aaron Glenn's message failing to get through? It sure seems that way. The Jets, who dropped to 0-5 for the third time in the past 30 years, continued to regress in all the key areas that Glenn has emphasized since Day 1 -- tackling (14 missed), penalties (10), ball security (another fumble) and situational football. Glenn keeps saying, "We're not the 'Same Old Jets'," but there's no evidence to support his claim. The Jets were outplayed and outcoached by a flawed Dallas team. Glenn became the first coach in Jets history to start 0-5 in Year 1. It's as bad as it ever was.

Trend to watch: The Jets made history, becoming the first team since 1933 (when turnovers became an official stat) to record zero takeaways in the first five games of a season. How is that possible? Their defense isn't devoid of talent, but it's playing like an expansion unit. At their current pace (31.7 points per game), they would set the franchise record for most points allowed in a season. -- Rich Cimini

 

[rockaction]

Dallas was missing four of their starting OL yesterday. They only had one regular OL in the game. Their WR1 was out, as was their KR/PR/WR4, KaVontae Turpin. Miles Sanders, their RB2, was out.

"Tyler Smith (knee), left tackle Tyler Guyton (concussion), right guard Tyler Booker (ankle) and center Cooper Beebe (foot) all out. Right tackle Terence Steele was the only regular starter playing. The Cowboys were also without wide receivers CeeDee Lamb (ankle) and KaVontae Turpin (foot)." - AP, 10/5/25, 5:54 PM

Ryan Flournoy has 14 catches and 19 targets for 137 yards in his career, almost all of it in garbage time. He is considered Dallas's WR5. He is the last receiver on their normal roster. He had 104 yards on five catches in the first half alone. Javonte Williams also had 108 yards rushing in the first half.

That was the first time that the Dallas Cowboys have ever had two players go for 100 yards rushing and receiving in the first half of a game. Ever. In their entire history. With 6 out of 11 of their starters out, they set new franchise and personal bests and led 23-3 at the half.

What was incredible about that was Dallas scored their first touchdown of the day with 57 seconds left in the second half. This was followed by a Jets' series that lasted 21 seconds. Dallas stuffed the Jets on the ensuing drive and called their timeouts after 2nd and 3rd down. The Jets punted the ball back to the Cowboys who took over on their 33 yard line. The Cowboys called a simple running play between the guard and tackle, but Javonte Willaims ran right up the middle, broke a tackle and scooted 66 yards before being forced out of bounds at the one-yard line with 19 seconds. Dallas scored a touchdown on the next play. The drive took 14 seconds and Dallas was now up 23-3 at the half after their conversion failed.

Dallas has what is, by what I can ascertain is a very accurate historical measure—Aaron Schatz's DVOA statistic,—one of the worst worst passing defenses in football history, a passing defense that placed Dallas (before Sunday) within the ten worst teams in NFL history. Justin Fields went 12-17 for 74 yards passing in the first half. He was sacked three times. Dallas would double their sack total on the year from five in four games to ten in five.

I was going to keep writing about how bad we are, but I can't even do it. I'm going back to bed. This needs to end. The coaches and the GM need to fired. Yesterday.

 

[Kiddnets]

Really rough to watch - another game literally over at the half. Key turnover - mistakes - penalties. zero QB pressure or turnovers.

I know Fields was not great but vaunted OL got torched all game - Fields was getting hit/sacked rushed every play. zero adjustments of course.

At least with the Bowles/Saleh debacles they had an elite defense and bad O - now they are lousy on both sides of the ball.

We are getting the full Lions experience with possibly being the worst team in the league with AG's 1st season - only team without a win and dont see one anytime soon

I am still an AG fan but flags literally are waiving everywhere - yes the Pats fired Mayo after one season but thats because they knew Vrabel would take the job - what big improvement is going to take this job?

The GM is also very suspect - no one liked the Stephens signing and on the hook another year for big $ - literally no WR on the roster besides GW. Defense lost a lot of playmakers/depth.

Only positive is this may be the year they stop winning meaningless games down stretch and get the #1 pick not that would guarantee anything - sad days to be a jets fan

 

[Chemical X]

there are so many issues to discuss now and historically with this franchise, too numerous to even post. that said, i hate hate that there is no home field advantage. teams come in and steam roll us by double digits. non competitive too often. there is no identity to this franchise since it left shea. yeah, there’s been playoffs and random success, but no atmosphere. no visiting angst. you can wrap the stadium in green and glow the lights green, but it ain’t home. 17 road and neutral games. there really is no fix.

 

[Kiddnets]

there are so many issues to discuss now and historically with this franchise, too numerous to even post. that said, i hate hate that there is no home field advantage. teams come in and steam roll us by double digits. non competitive too often. there is no identity to this franchise since it left shea. yeah, there’s been playoffs and random success, but no atmosphere. no visiting angst. you can wrap the stadium in green and glow the lights green, but it ain’t home. 17 road and neutral games. there really is no fix.

unfortunately you are correct - I am a season ticket holder and stadium is usually 40% away fans - its a combo of things IMO-

team - stunk for years so they have driven away a lot of fans - game was over by end of 1st quarter - some fans barely in seats.

price - tix are expensive - season ticket holders can make a profit on popular games like Dallas - in the age of stub hub is much easier to get tix for fans of other teams

stadium - possibly worst stadium in league - I understand they share with the Giants but they could have been much more creative to give both teams a "home look" rather than gray seats and green/red lights. Boring stadium, food is awful and expensive - no dome so get rained on, freeze or hot like yesterday - I cant blame people for wanting to just watch at home - very mid experience for your money - especially when team loses all the time - stay home and watch red zone lol

location - just like Vegas - NY is a popular destination for away teams - gives people a chance to visit NYC and catch their team - not many feel the need to spend a weekend in Green bay, Buffalo or Indy.

 

[TLEF316]

No schtick...our idiot owner just physically bumped into me on Madison Avenue.