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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (7 Viewers)

The franchise is the worst in the league and its owner is consistently the worst.

There are no quick turn-arounds. The only reason this team still can hire a staff and run an operation are that it claims its location is in New York and it is also technically an NFL franchise.

Its owner is the worst in the NFL when considered in every context. This was his response to a player workplace survey by the NFLPA. It is a stunning response. He actually can’t stand his players being able to collectively voice their opinions publicly. Listen to what he says and then think about it.

PALM BEACH, Fla. -- New York Jets chairman Woody Johnson, the only owner to receive an F grade in the NFL Players Association annual team report card, dismissed the findings Monday, calling the survey "totally bogus."

Johnson said he values his relationships with the players and their opinions, but he questioned the integrity of the poll. Asked what was bogus about it, he replied, "The whole thing."

In the latest survey, 1,695 players graded their respective teams in various categories. The results were released Feb. 26. The NFLPA was critical of the Jets' top leadership and culture.

Johnson, speaking to reporters at the annual league meeting, took issue with "how they collected the information [and] who they collected it from. [It] was supposed to be according to the agreement we have with the league. It's supposed to be a process [where] we have representatives, and they have representatives, so we know that it's an honest survey.

"And that was violated, in my opinion. I'm going to leave it at that, but I think there are a lot of owners that looked at that survey and said this is not fair, it's not balanced, it's not every player, it's not even representative of the players." - Rich Cimini, ESPN 3/31/25


He wants to negotiate a ****ing anonymous player survey. He doesn’t want them to be able to do that,

When Woody was the ambassador to the UK under Trump from 2017-2021 his employees hated him enough to have an investigation launched:

The inspector-general's office said it found that Johnson's 'demanding and hard-driving' management style had a negative impact on morale in some sections of the embassy.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Ambassador to Britain Woody Johnson has made insensitive and inappropriate comments during his tenure, including about race, religion and sex, the State Department's inspector general has found, judging that morale in some parts of the mission has dropped.

In a report published on Wednesday, the inspector general's office said it asked the relevant State Department bureau to conduct further review based on its findings and take action, a recommendation the agency disagreed with.

"Offensive or derogatory comments, based on an individual's race, color, sex, or religion, can create an offensive working environment and could potentially rise to a violation of EEO (Equal Employment Opportunity) laws," it said.

A billionaire with no prior diplomacy experience, Johnson was appointed to the coveted post of ambassador to Britain, one of Washington's closest international partners, in August 2017. He is co-owner of U.S. football team the New York Jets.


The report also gave examples of how Johnson's conduct "did not always model the principles of the Department."
"For example, some embassy staff told OIG that when the Ambassador was frustrated with what he interpreted to be excessive staff caution or resistance to suggestions about which he felt strongly, he sometimes questioned their intentions or implied that he might have them replaced," the report said. "This caused staff to grow wary of providing him with their best judgment."
The State Department's Bureau of European and Eurasian affairs said it did not believe a formal assessment was required, and that instead all staff, including the chief of mission, should undertake training to "heighten awareness on these important issues," according to the report. -Reuters 8/12/2020"


In an ABC News Report on the Woody Johnson issue, Johnson replied.

Johnson himself took issue with the report's finding about "insensitive" remarks, writing in a May 27 letter to the OIG, "If I have unintentionally offended anyone in the execution of my duties, I deeply regret that, but I do not accept that I have treated employees with disrespect or discriminated in any [way]

"I believe that team cohesion in our mission is better than ever," he added, noting the "absence of any official complaints against me" by staffers.” - ABC News, Conor Finnegan 8/12/2020
 
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He was walking VERY weird and looked frail. So we might not have too long until his 18 year old son is in charge
 
It was telling when he didn't get any embassy posts when Trump was re-elected, even though he was actively campaigning to be an ambassador again.
 
It was telling when he didn't get any embassy posts when Trump was re-elected, even though he was actively campaigning to be an ambassador again.

LOL. I am not sensitive to issues like this and think people need a thicker skin (within reason—awful is awful), but they'd investigated him (an independent federal watchdog agency) for inappropriate comments about race, sex, and something else while ambassador. He complained aloud about missing fathers w/r/t race and other stuff. He was also investigated for creating low morale in the workplace with his caustic demeanor and things like implicitly threatening his staff with dismissals to the point that nobody would communicate with him for fear of reprisal.

He actually wrote in response to this that he hadn't received any formal (!) complaints since the investigation had begun. This tosser was actually proud of that. He is just a clown who does not get it. Like a federal agency that deals with employment issues—and to whom it has been reported that you threaten people with firing them for even presenting different point of view—is going to be impressed by this?

Dude's a clown and a jerk and it's sad that this franchise has him as its head. He's one the five worst in the NFL, and right now, he ooks like the worst.

Nobody tells this guy the truth and they hate him and hate working for him. It's nothing but turtles all the way down.
 
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No schtick...our idiot owner just physically bumped into me on Madison Avenue.

Also no schtick - met Wayne Chrebet at the bar I go to to watch the games. He was very nice and accommodating to the Jets fans who were there. I told him I appreciated him as a local (nearby town to my hometown) guy who done good.

Didn't bump anyone at the bar as far as I could tell.

-QG
 
zero posts since Monday - apathy sinking in already in mid October

and I know its weak to be jealous of other franchises but to watch the Pats and Giants win big games behind a young franchise QB is painful.
 
Not much to say right now. I want to be rational and preach patience, but it's hard without many positives to latch onto. Playing Denver in London doesn't seem like a game they'll win, especially with the way they've been playing. Maybe they can steal a win versus Carolina or Flacco-led Cincy and we can all come here to breath a sigh of relief that they won't be the first team to go 0-17.
 
Not much to say right now. I want to be rational and preach patience, but it's hard without many positives to latch onto. Playing Denver in London doesn't seem like a game they'll win, especially with the way they've been playing. Maybe they can steal a win versus Carolina or Flacco-led Cincy and we can all come here to breath a sigh of relief that they won't be the first team to go 0-17.

You want positives? We had a good week of practice before the Dallas game.

This week practice was even better....so not sure if that means we lose by 10 or 40 this week.
 
So Brownlee has only subbed in the slot?
Crazy
MHJr beat his replacement twice to open the game and Titans fans were again upset he was gone.

He hasn't been a topic of radio whenever I listen. I get it. The trade interest wore off. Most I hear is he has to get acclimated.


To what? You can yell when you're passing someone off. They can do that cold. Just put him outside and "you got that guy."

You guys need him. Every poorly performing team needs a firey guy. He talks right too. It's what ya wanna hear. We gotta trust I got your back you got mine. Little coach-y vibe but ...set that dawg loose. Watch him watch the others. See what happens. If he can shut down one WR and Sauce gets a little spark and shuts down another, defense just got so easy to play.

So much titan-y garbage with the Jets. You got a guy. He's a piece. Get another piece and another. I can't stand when our losing teams make simple stuff complicated.

Guy on the radio said Taylor had a few crossing routes running into a WR on a slant. Why draw that up? Wilson was wide open and missed he said.

Why are bad teams stupid? That's long been my gripe with the NFL. So what if the Titans don't have good enough players to do this n that. Or the Jets don't. Why are guys running into each other? Do ya need someone in the stands to point out the open WR? They should be better than college, wiser from experience and whatever savvy- not stupid. We missed a dump pass few plays later the Cards did. How hard is that? You can't hit the RB that close? Drives me nuts!
 
So much titan-y garbage with the Jets. You got a guy. He's a piece. Get another piece and another. I can't stand when our losing teams make simple stuff complicated.

Dude, this GM/coach have already proved obdurate and lacking in a lot of things, but I'm going to give them grace on this even though I was borderline apoplectic with what we put out there against a team missing 6 starters on offense (one rotational, actually) and we put forth that kind of effort and got that disaster of a result.

It made me furious. I was livid when I heard Brownlee did not play. But if AG wants to say that every job is earned in practice, then practice is a prerequisite for that. If it's setting precedent that if you play well you'll be on the field, and it was out of respect for Stephens' good Week 4 (he got graded a 79.5 at PFF) because AG wants to instill that the staff will not cut the cord on a quality performer, then that's fine also.

Otherwise, there seems to be no reason why Michael Carter is playing over him, especially when our LBs are not very good.

Simple as that. But there might be reasons other than putting your best squad out there in the first week of October when it's a lost season no matter what.

But the Jets are in the news! A suit over sexual harassment and the Jets are trying to countersue.


"The New York Jets filed a countersuit Tuesday alleging a former vice president participated in an "unlawful conspiracy" to falsely accuse team president ***** Elhai of sexual harassment "solely for the purpose of destroying his impeccable reputation and career."

Elaine Chen, the former vice president of finance, claims in a lawsuit filed last Thursday that she and her husband, Larry Fitzpatrick, the team's former vice president of ticket sales, were fired as retaliation after the claims were made against Elhai.

The Jets responded with a 67-page suit, obtained by ESPN, that claims Chen knowingly participated in the submission of a fabricated email aimed at damaging Elhai and the Jets.

The email was created by an unidentified former employee who, when confronted by the team, admitted that his allegations of harassment against Elhai had no factual basis and that he had worked in concert with Fitzpatrick to send the anonymous email, the Jets said.

The Jets have started an arbitration proceeding against Chen and Fitzpatrick, asserting claims for defamation, tortious interference and civil conspiracy, among other claims." - Rich Cimini, ESPN.com
 
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At this point trade for Jameis Winston. Let's at least have some fun while losing, and it would be great for Wilson on my fantasy team. :wink:
 
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At this point trade for Jameis Winston. Let's at least have some fun while losing, and it would be great for Wilson on my fantasy team. :wink:
I'm kidding, but that was an atrocious QB performance. Glenn made bad game management decisions, Engstrand should have called plays that put Fields in better situations to use his legs and yes the OL wasn't great by any stretch. The number one factor in how terrible they looked offensively though was Fields just refusing to throw the ball. He sacked himself about 5 times. Just brutal to watch.
 
So Brownlee has only subbed in the slot?
Crazy
MHJr beat his replacement twice to open the game and Titans fans were again upset he was gone.

He hasn't been a topic of radio whenever I listen. I get it. The trade interest wore off. Most I hear is he has to get acclimated.


To what? You can yell when you're passing someone off. They can do that cold. Just put him outside and "you got that guy."

You guys need him. Every poorly performing team needs a firey guy. He talks right too. It's what ya wanna hear. We gotta trust I got your back you got mine. Little coach-y vibe but ...set that dawg loose. Watch him watch the others. See what happens. If he can shut down one WR and Sauce gets a little spark and shuts down another, defense just got so easy to play.

So much titan-y garbage with the Jets. You got a guy. He's a piece. Get another piece and another. I can't stand when our losing teams make simple stuff complicated.
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He started and he was great today. Forced a fumble and was all over the field making plays. One of the bright spots in another dismal overall performance.
 
If you want to sum up what it's like to be a Jets fan, look no further than this drive before the half.

Holy moly. WTF was this "drive"?

LOL. I’m speechless.

9 completions, 9 sacks.

These guys need time to develop . . .

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Both of them. Out of town on one those things that two people need to manually pump for it to move. On a rail and pronto. Time to end it.
 
Bill Barnwell
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How to make a disastrous fourth-down decision, Jets edition

1) Make a move at odds with the data. NGS had punting on fourth-and-1 as a 4.3% WP swing against the Jets.
2) Be indecisive. Jets lined up to go for it, then burned a timeout so they could punt. If you're going to punt, the timeout in a close game is worth more than the five yards for a delay of game.
3) Get fooled by what you've seen. Jets defense has been terrible all season. Your defense didn't suddenly get great overnight. One thing to "trust your defense" if you're the Broncos. Jets immediately gave up the field position in six plays.

 
All I could say and then some upon seeing the midwit in between the “Fire Aaron Glenn"

There were people who thought this was a playoff roster. This is what I said over there and had been saying here.

"I’m up for the Jets’ metaphorical guillotines to get going. I will say this to those who saw a talented roster. This was never even close. Not if you truly have thought about the NFL and what is required to win. We have played in a horrendous and rudderless division whose best team is an underachieving one led by a superstar QB and a clueless coach (Bills). The other two teams consist of one that was nearly destroyed by a paranoid egomaniac who ate the fruits of his own genius, and one run by a terrible owner still hoping he can get everyone to forget about his intentional losing.

Our passable players include a pretty good WR1, a really good RB and RT, an adequate CB1 and CB2 (who we just acquired), an excellent DT1 and a passable DE1 and a DE2 pass rushing specialist.

That’s it. There isn’t one other player that isn’t hurt that is better than a B- "
 
Obviously some of us overestimated the roster but its not this bad - coaching has been absolutely abysmal.

No no no no. It is this bad. The roster is atrocious. I just don’t think that even if AG gets his dream roster it will bring AFC Championship Game appearances never mind Super Bowls. He’s wildly incompetent with a horrendous roster. I had us at like six wins and I knew that when we got Fields and didn’t fill out the other positions, we were ****ed.

Nobody could win with these guys. Fields, if you go back and see what I’ve really said about him not in this thread, is an utter abomination and always was. The rest of it just gets magnified under any stressors.
 
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Obviously some of us overestimated the roster but its not this bad - coaching has been absolutely abysmal.

No no no no. It is this bad. The roster is atrocious. I just don’t think that even if AG gets his dream roster it will bring AFC Championship Game appearances never mind Super Bowls. He’s wildly incompetent with a horrendous roster. I had us at like six wins and I knew that when we got Fields and didn’t fill out the other positions, we were ****ed.

Nobody could win with these guys. Fields, if you go back and see what I’ve really said about him not in this thread, is an utter abomination and always was. The rest of it just gets magnified under any stressors.
Fields looks awful but the OC is definitely not putting him in any position to be successful. I agree with you that he is worse than we hoped but the gameplans and playcalling are atrocious.

The OL is above avg player by player - they have a top RB and WR with a promising TE. That should be enough to have a competent offense even with Fields being below par.

As for the Defense - Saleh had pretty close to the same defense aside from a few players that werent all pro top of the league.

Depth is shaky but so is most teams

Our disagreement is that I think the coaching has been that bad - and I was a big AG fan when he was hired.

Regardless here we are - the good news is we dont have to cheer to tank because they are that bad - I dont see a win on the horizon, especially with GW out.
 
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Bigger concern is where do they go from here - they will most likely be bad enough to get a top QB pick in the draft - can they trust a defensive coach - let alone one that looks completely over matched to develop a high 1st rd pick? Shocked we are having this debate this early but its legit. What options to finally get an offensive coach to develop a young QB are out there....and more importantly crazy enough to come to this dumpster fire
 
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As for the Defense - Saleh had pretty close to the same defense aside from a few players that werent all pro top of the league.

Hey Kiddnets, I want to give this some thought and respond but I need a couple of hours. I’m running around and on and off the board and I want to respond cogently.
 
As for the Defense - Saleh had pretty close to the same defense aside from a few players that werent all pro top of the league.

Hey Kiddnets, I want to give this some thought and respond but I need a couple of hours. I’m running around and on and off the board and I want to respond cogently.
we've got nothing but time! offseason starting extra early! lol
 
Meh. Whatever. Missed the game to play bad golf in horrible weather and couldn't be happier. Total joke of a team and I honestly don't think I'll watch another game this year.
 
Obviously some of us overestimated the roster but its not this bad - coaching has been absolutely abysmal.

No no no no. It is this bad. The roster is atrocious. I just don’t think that even if AG gets his dream roster it will bring AFC Championship Game appearances never mind Super Bowls. He’s wildly incompetent with a horrendous roster. I had us at like six wins and I knew that when we got Fields and didn’t fill out the other positions, we were ****ed.

Nobody could win with these guys. Fields, if you go back and see what I’ve really said about him not in this thread, is an utter abomination and always was. The rest of it just gets magnified under any stressors.
Fields looks awful but the OC is definitely not putting him in any position to be successful. I agree with you that he is worse than we hoped but the gameplans and playcalling are atrocious.

The OL is above avg player by player - they have a top RB and WR with a promising TE. That should be enough to have a competent offense even with Fields being below par.

As for the Defense - Saleh had pretty close to the same defense aside from a few players that werent all pro top of the league.

Depth is shaky but so is most teams

Our disagreement is that I think the coaching has been that bad - and I was a big AG fan when he was hired.

Regardless here we are - the good news is we dont have to cheer to tank because they are that bad - I dont see a win on the horizon, especially with GW out.

Fields doesn't have it. It was a nice experiment, but the guy cannot be a starting NFL QB with the best OC in the world. He hesitates to throw the ball and holds it way too long. Most of those sacks seem to be on him.

I just wish they would lean into his running. Have him take off way more. Maybe the concussion factored into keeping him in the pocket (worst case scenario) more these past couple of weeks.

That said, keep losing. It would be nice to get the first overall pick while ideally winning one game. Right now, the only team we can maybe beat is the Titans and that's because Ward seems to be really struggling. Draft a QB. Can we develop him? Ummm. Long term is there any hope? Probably not. Glenn looks worse with each week.

At least the defense looked better this week. Getting JJ back helped. So did Brownlee. Sherwood had his best game of the season. Moore is better than Adams.

Nothing good to say about the offense. It was offensive.
 
Obviously some of us overestimated the roster but its not this bad - coaching has been absolutely abysmal.

No no no no. It is this bad. The roster is atrocious. I just don’t think that even if AG gets his dream roster it will bring AFC Championship Game appearances never mind Super Bowls. He’s wildly incompetent with a horrendous roster. I had us at like six wins and I knew that when we got Fields and didn’t fill out the other positions, we were ****ed.

Nobody could win with these guys. Fields, if you go back and see what I’ve really said about him not in this thread, is an utter abomination and always was. The rest of it just gets magnified under any stressors.
Fields looks awful but the OC is definitely not putting him in any position to be successful. I agree with you that he is worse than we hoped but the gameplans and playcalling are atrocious.

The OL is above avg player by player - they have a top RB and WR with a promising TE. That should be enough to have a competent offense even with Fields being below par.

As for the Defense - Saleh had pretty close to the same defense aside from a few players that werent all pro top of the league.

Depth is shaky but so is most teams

Our disagreement is that I think the coaching has been that bad - and I was a big AG fan when he was hired.

Regardless here we are - the good news is we dont have to cheer to tank because they are that bad - I dont see a win on the horizon, especially with GW out.
yesterday was a NY Jet coaching clinic. coach around your severely limited qb, don’t bother at the end of the half and play it close to the cuff like you are a contender, not 0-5, don’t kick a 61 yarder, even though folk has arguably been your best player.

i just won’t understand the first half. you are 0-5 and playing for nothing, yet you let the clock run down and out? that is something that speaks volumes to glenn and fields and the whole organization.
 
When Glenn was hired I thought it was a good fit and I wanted patience to see what he can do. Howver, at this point, it seems clear he's in over his head. I think he may be one and done. They draft a QB and sign a coach who can develop him. I have no confidence that this coaching staff can develop a rookie QB. Also, when the time comes, they better not draft another Zack Wilson. They need to get a QB who is NFL ready, is accurate and can process the defense.
 
When Glenn was hired I thought it was a good fit and I wanted patience to see what he can do. Howver, at this point, it seems clear he's in over his head. I think he may be one and done. They draft a QB and sign a coach who can develop him. I have no confidence that this coaching staff can develop a rookie QB. Also, when the time comes, they better not draft another Zack Wilson. They need to get a QB who is NFL ready, is accurate and can process the defense.
As dubious as I obviously am about the long term prospects of this regime, I just don't see Woody firing Glenn after 1 season.

As for developing a QB, when you have a defensive minded HC it's the OC that you are relying on to develop the QB. After week 1 I was feeling pretty decent about Engstrand, after the past few games? Eh, not nearly as much. Fields is a bad QB. He's specifically bad at processing and getting the ball out on time, but he is also one of the better runners at the QB position and he has a fairly accurate and strong arm. The fact that they just stubbornly tried to drop him back and make him a pocket passer is mind boggling to me. Use his talents, let him make plays with his legs, let him throw outside the pocket. Anything but asking him to drop back and hold the ball for 20 seconds until he gets sacked for the 30th time. What I don't get is that the week 1 game plan seemed to be designed to use Field's legs more, why have we migrated away from that, especially this week in a low scoring game? It feels like the offensive game plan is regressing.
 
Its certainly possible that Fields' concussion has him/them gun-shy about using him too much as a runner.

But if the alternative is getting hammered for 9 sacks sitting back in the pocket for 7 seconds......

If he's not gonna run, there's no reason to play him. Pretty simple to see that :shrug:
 
That drive at the end of the first half still makes my head hurt this morning. Why go for a fake punt on 4th down, then just stand there looking at each other confused as the clock runs out without any attempt at a FG (wicked long shot) or hail mary? The explanation of "we didn't want to give them the ball back" is insane. That's just basic clock management and 2 minute drive execution and they looked dumbfounded. God almighty it's hard being a fan of this stupid franchise.
 
Few items after sleeping on it - 2 biggest items

Fields is awful...but....watching the QB view replays there was no one open...ever. Not a shock with that QB group. Also no quick pass plays built in. Every pass play was long drop back and wait...and he did for too long. Lastly - they have obviously instructed him not to run/freelance so much which is crazy as its what made him a serviceable QB in past. Maybe its the concussion or they are trying to turn him into Goff but Fields failure is also shared IMO by the awful coaching and terrible lack of weapons from the GM.

Coaching - literally the worst Ive seen and Ive lived through Kotite and gase. The end of the half could be considered a terminating offense right there. They looked utterly confused and mismanaged which is unacceptable. Throw in lack of adjusting - Fields getting pounded cause he's holding the ball so long - call some darn screens, flair outs, 1-2 throws. Dont have him drop back 7 yds every play.
 
Each game plan needs to be like this:
Q1 - Fields + Hall primarily rush. Setup motion to detect the coverage/blitz. Use RPO.
Q2 - By end of the first half Fields + Hall needs to have at least 10 rush attempts each.
Q3 - Now that the defense will play up because of the running QB, open up the passing game.
Q4 - Create the balance of runs + passes. Use play action, RPO to dictate what you want to do.

Jets will score 24+ every game if they follow this formula.
There is no motion.
There is no RPO.
There is no play action.
Defenses are waiting to blitz. The cadence is the same.
 
As noted in the GW thread, seems like he may be out through the bye. Good thing we have all that WR depth.
Grab Taylor if he's somehow on your WW. He's going to get like an 80% target share. lol.
80% of 15 passes is still only 12 targets.
Indeed, but in this TE landscape that's a pretty solid play.
I mean I got Mason this week and sadly started him but I don't really have much hope left for the season. So he's starting again this week for me.
 
Few items after sleeping on it - 2 biggest items

Fields is awful...but....watching the QB view replays there was no one open...ever. Not a shock with that QB group. Also no quick pass plays built in. Every pass play was long drop back and wait...and he did for too long. Lastly - they have obviously instructed him not to run/freelance so much which is crazy as its what made him a serviceable QB in past. Maybe its the concussion or they are trying to turn him into Goff but Fields failure is also shared IMO by the awful coaching and terrible lack of weapons from the GM.

Coaching - literally the worst Ive seen and Ive lived through Kotite and gase. The end of the half could be considered a terminating offense right there. They looked utterly confused and mismanaged which is unacceptable. Throw in lack of adjusting - Fields getting pounded cause he's holding the ball so long - call some darn screens, flair outs, 1-2 throws. Dont have him drop back 7 yds every play.

Quickly, and then more.

No. They’re open. Check Twitter. Barnwell specifically says they are NFL open.

Coaching is as bad as you say.

They ran a fake punt with Hall in the game. Bad enough, but somebody pointed out their entire starting OL was in the game also.
 
That drive at the end of the first half still makes my head hurt this morning. Why go for a fake punt on 4th down, then just stand there looking at each other confused as the clock runs out without any attempt at a FG (wicked long shot) or hail mary? The explanation of "we didn't want to give them the ball back" is insane. That's just basic clock management and 2 minute drive execution and they looked dumbfounded. God almighty it's hard being a fan of this stupid franchise.
So Glenn came out yesterday and admitted if he could do it over, he'd have run a hail mary at the end of the half. I'm not sure if that makes me feel better or worse that our head coach was that far out of it in the moment that he missed something that fat couch QB's like me all over the country saw.
 

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