Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (3 Viewers)

[NYRAGE]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

 

[Crash Davis]

As for the game, man this team is bi-polar. Either the offense shows up and the defense doesn't or vice-versa, it's never both in the same game. Similar to week 1 it's more fun to watch when the offense plays well and they actually pulled it out this time! The fact that they did it without Wilson (+ Reynolds) and Sauce is funny as well, though the Bengals defense being terrible helps. Good for Fields, good for Breece and good for Glenn. At least for a few weeks they can all hold their heads high, especially Glenn. He's taken the lumps and they have been well deserved, but he managed the game well this week and the team is still playing hard for him. I'm curious to see what if any trades happen over the bye and how they fare against a solid Browns defense but an offense even more inept than their own. I'm still realistic about of Fields and i'm still not sold on Glenn, Mougey or even Engstrand, but getting the first win seems important and I can hold out hope that maybe progress can still be on the horizon.

 

[Crash Davis]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

 

[rockaction]

Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

We're colonizing that baby someday. Don't mess it up just yet.

 

[rockaction]

He's taken the lumps and they have been well deserved, but he managed the game well this week and the team is still playing hard for him.

I'll assent to this and give credit where credit is due. I don't know if it was Aaron Glenn or somebody in his ear (I'm almost certain it was him unprompted*), but going for two is exactly what you're supposed to do. I didn't know if given the Jets' ineptitude that they should, but I took a gander and unless you're the worst team to pretty much ever play the game, you go for two, and he showed the league exactly why.

eta* I'm sort of shocked by that given his press conferences. That's really kind of hardcore analytics (well, for NFL coaches it is hardcore—it's actually somewhat rudimentary, according to a lot of statistics lovers), and there's no reason if he wasn't totally aware of the percentages that he would just gamble and go for it there because it IS NOT intuitive in the least.

 

[Kiddnets]

Benglas D is shaky but who cares. I feel like this was the first game since the opener where they let Fields be Fields. I stand by letting him play the year out - there is no point in playing a 37 yr old Tyrod who is a FA. They are on the hook for another $20M and while my hopes of him developing into the answer at QB is extremely remote - he has half a season to show more - not to mention they are on the hook for $20M next year - let him be the bridge to another rookie hope. Nuking him in press and benching will solve nothing.

Coaching was pretty solid for the most part - except the mind boggling sweep on 4th and inches in their own territory - they used the Fields sneak most of the time after that - good to see AG get a win especially with that rag tag WR room.

Mason looks like the real deal - what a weapon - Jets havent had a legit TE since Mickey - OMG am I that old to remember - Shuler.

Im interested in the bye week adjustments - get GW and Sauce back - make a 2d half run. Agree with above - Im dont with the tanking until maybe last few games if there is nothing to play for and they have Tyrod out there. Trevor is the latest example of no slam dunk saviors in the draft. Should be a few solid QBs with 1st rd grades this year that will be available to them

 

[NYRAGE]

Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

We're colonizing that baby someday. Don't mess it up just yet.

Are you suggesting that he will live forever? Is that what he does with the Johnson's baby oil money? Re-invest it into cryo-sleep technology or non-aging whale sperm?

 

[NYRAGE]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

I've been rooting for this team for 54 years. Could be longer, but my first memories of rooting for them are at age 4. I know fully well that we will win a useless game or two at the end.

I didn't say that I was rooting for them to lose, just for them to have the top pick. I'm rooting for the other bum teams to win as well. But to honest, unless it's against Miami, wining 2 or 3 games doesn't mean crap the following year either. Conversely, I've been a fan long enough to know that all those useless wins at the end of the season did not translate into some magical momentum into next season. I'm all about being practical these days.

 

[NYRAGE]

Benglas D is shaky but who cares. I feel like this was the first game since the opener where they let Fields be Fields. I stand by letting him play the year out - there is no point in playing a 37 yr old Tyrod who is a FA. They are on the hook for another $20M and while my hopes of him developing into the answer at QB is extremely remote - he has half a season to show more - not to mention they are on the hook for $20M next year - let him be the bridge to another rookie hope. Nuking him in press and benching will solve nothing.

Coaching was pretty solid for the most part - except the mind boggling sweep on 4th and inches in their own territory - they used the Fields sneak most of the time after that - good to see AG get a win especially with that rag tag WR room.

Mason looks like the real deal - what a weapon - Jets havent had a legit TE since Mickey - OMG am I that old to remember - Shuler.

Im interested in the bye week adjustments - get GW and Sauce back - make a 2d half run. Agree with above - Im dont with the tanking until maybe last few games if there is nothing to play for and they have Tyrod out there. Trevor is the latest example of no slam dunk saviors in the draft. Should be a few solid QBs with 1st rd grades this year that will be available to them

This is the best TE class that I can remember off the top of my head. Warren, Taylor, Fannin, Gadsden all look good. Helm has contributed. Arroyo flashed in the summer. We're still waiting on Loveland. I'm glad we got one of them. About time.

 

[Bri]

Brownlee love

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[Crash Davis]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

I've been rooting for this team for 54 years. Could be longer, but my first memories of rooting for them are at age 4. I know fully well that we will win a useless game or two at the end.

I didn't say that I was rooting for them to lose, just for them to have the top pick. I'm rooting for the other bum teams to win as well. But to honest, unless it's against Miami, wining 2 or 3 games doesn't mean crap the following year either. Conversely, I've been a fan long enough to know that all those useless wins at the end of the season did not translate into some magical momentum into next season. I'm all about being practical these days.

It's week 8, no wins right now are useless, even for a team going nowhere like the Jets. I know we've been beaten into submission and conditioned to think losing is winning, but if you believe in winning culture, then you have to believe that actually winning helps get there. It's one game, let's see where it goes from here.

 

[rockaction]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

I've been rooting for this team for 54 years. Could be longer, but my first memories of rooting for them are at age 4. I know fully well that we will win a useless game or two at the end.

I didn't say that I was rooting for them to lose, just for them to have the top pick. I'm rooting for the other bum teams to win as well. But to honest, unless it's against Miami, wining 2 or 3 games doesn't mean crap the following year either. Conversely, I've been a fan long enough to know that all those useless wins at the end of the season did not translate into some magical momentum into next season. I'm all about being practical these days.

It's week 8, no wins right now are useless, even for a team going nowhere like the Jets. I know we've been beaten into submission and conditioned to think losing is winning, but if you believe in winning culture, then you have to believe that actually winning helps get there. It's one game, let's see where it goes from here.

He's projecting into the future and saying that 2 or 3 wins at the very end of the schedule (one usually an upset of a banged-up team and one 50/50 toss-up of two garbage teams is how I find it normally goes down) doesn't add to a winning culture. I've found that it adds to free agents' tape and never carries over.

I love winning culture but love the 1.01 much more than the 1.10

 

[Crash Davis]

Here are the 1.01 QBs over the past 20 years:

'25 Cam Ward - Jury is still out
'24 Caleb Williams -Jury is still out
'23 Bryce Young -
'22 Trevor Lawrence - Perhaps the most over-hyped QB prospect of all time.
'20 Joe Burrow - Jackpot!
'19 Kyler Murray -
'18 Baker Mayfield - Had to leave the terrible team that drafted him to be good.
'16 Jared Goff - Went to a SB with the team that drafted him, have to call this a successful pick.
'15 Jameis Winston - Entertaining bust
'12 Andrew Luck - Successful pick even if he didn't end up being the next great one.
'11 Cam Newton - Took his team to the SB, changed their fortune
'10 Sam Bradford - Bust
'09 Matthew Stafford - He was good and the team still sucked. They hit on the pick though.
'07 Jamarcus Russell - One of the biggest busts in NFL history.
'05 Alex Smith - for SF, had to go to Andy Reid to become more.

So 5 out of 13 (leaving out the last 2 because we just don't know) true hits and 3 SB appearances for the team that drafted them. 3 major busts among 5 guys that left their original team before or shortly after their rookie deal ended and then 3 guys that are still on the team that drafted them but they are JAGs.

When you open it up to the 2nd QB taken in a draft you get a group that includes Daniels, Flacco, Rodgers and Mahomes along with its share of busts and JAGs as well.

My point is that 1.01 isn't any kind of sure thing so rooting for your team to lose being annoyed that your team won a game or two is silly. It's about picking the right guy and having a team and staff around them that can foster success. Darnold, Daniels, Mayfield and to a lessor extent Mac Jones and Geno Smith are prime examples of that lesson. There does not appear to be a Joe Burrow, Andrew Luck or Cam Newton in this draft. I'd much rather this staff show me that they can coach and improve the talent they have enough to win games down the stretch to give me some more confidence that they can build a team, a system and a culture around a young QB than to see them lose 15+ games just so they get to choose that QB first in a class that feels like at best they'll be a bunch of JAGs. Now, 1 or 2 wins doesn't mean they are a good staff or that they have my faith that they can build a team and develop a QB. You have to start somewhere though and despite what anyone here thinks, wishes or wants Glenn is not getting fired after 1 season. Woody is still paying Saleh this year, you are kidding yourself if you think he's going to sign up for paying Glenn for 4 years to not be here. So you better start rooting for Glenn and Co to show major signs of improvement.

 

[rockaction]

being annoyed that your team won a game or two is silly. I

You're not really catching it. RAGE isn't unhappy we won the game; he's not going to be unhappy when we win later in the year. He's saying it's inevitable we will win because we're such losers that we'll self-defeat our good draft position.

Even getting your hopes up to lose so we can have a good draft pick is an optimistic position to hold by his judgment (and mine). We're not going to **** up that pick. We're never going to be in a position to **** it up.

It's like you want a good dinner, but they give you the lousiest Michelin-rated chef to get it. She messes up all the time. But dude, forget that, you're not even fit to sit in the chair that you'd have to sit in because you lost all feelings in your legs and feet and were paralyzed from the waist down.

Oh, and you turned into a bug, also, so you'd only get stuck in the flypaper in the kitchen.

He's operating in a much less literal sense than you are, bud. It's not ill will anywhere. I'm sorry you worked so hard on that. That's not the point. It's fatalism.

 

[rockaction]

It's a cosmically unemotional woe-is-me but not even with enough caring to feel woe. We are numb and I know there is no God and you've seen what I've seen do you really want that God anyway?

That kind of attitude.

 

[Crash Davis]

I actually believe it is you guys that don't get the fatalism. Fatalism is that nothing is going to work out no matter what, regardless of draft pick because it's the Jets. I'm a Jets fan in my 50's FFS. Fatalism is all we know. All I'm saying is that the fatalism of us missing out on the top pick is based on a fallacy that the top pick is some golden ticket into the franchise QB chocolate factory. It hasn't proven to be that , so I'm not going to worry about it any longer. We can and will fail to find the ever elusive franchise QB at the 1.01, the 1.02 or the 1.10.

 

[rockaction]

Fatalism is that nothing is going to work out no matter what, regardless of draft pick because it's the Jets . . . We can and will fail to find the ever elusive franchise QB at the 1.01, the 1.02 or the 1.10.

Yeah, that's a given. That's part of the cause of the learned hopelessness.

Wait, so why is winning culture important to you? Sounds like you're changing up your argument from hopeful to hopelessness and back. It's cool. I'm just explaining what he was saying. He was being a bit wry.

 

[Kiddnets]

Interesting discussion - I cant blame anyone for rooting for the tank. They certainly could use the #1 pick. But as said above - they always find a way to win a few down the stretch. For as bad as the Jets have been theyve only had the #1 pick twice and of course both times no franchise QB - thanks Peyton!

In addition - after the last decade of losing - Im burnt out on losing my mind as to winning meaningless games. I was convinced Trevor was generational and now its clear there were zero franchise qBs in the 1st rd of that draft - A ton of very good QBs get drafted all over the 1st rd. They key is not just to draft the best QB but also be able to develop him - not an easy task for a defensive centric coach

Regardless its not even Halloween so its just not in me to join the tank brigade. Id like to see this regime succeed so a nice run of quality football and even a few wins post bye would make me happy.

 

[Kiddnets]

I have a few friends who are fatalistic - ie: theyll never win with Woody as the owner - I certainly understand but why even root for the team then - hes not going anywhere and also they went to back to back AFCCGs with him as an owner so I just dont buy it. He doesnt help but they can win with him - just need a good HC and QB - both very iffy at this point

 

[Zeppelin]

How did you all feel right at the end of the game when the Jets won?

 

[rockaction]

why even root for the team then

Same reason Commanders/Redskins/Football Team fans cheered for the team when Snyder owned it. It's the region and the fanbase, really. I just grew up a Jets fan and can't ditch them. I loved the Giants and the Raiders growing up also and I still pull for them.

I'm not really rooting for a tank yet. We're not making the playoffs, but I hope Mougey and Glenn wind up being exceedingly competent.

 

[rockaction]

How did you all feel right at the end of the game when the Jets won?

I sort of had mixed feelings, honestly, but Nick Mangold's passing was actually really saddening and a bit tragic, so I hope his family was watching and maybe were buoyed by it in some weird way that isn't satisfying or going to wipe it away, but maybe gave a context to everything for a brief moment (?). He was a Cincinnati kid, or like an hour away from Cinci, so it might have had meaning in some way and I hope they got something out of it. I really do.

That was pretty much what I thought of as we were playing our way out of the 1.01.

 

[Kiddnets]

How did you all feel right at the end of the game when the Jets won?

I sort of had mixed feelings, honestly, but Nick Mangold's passing was actually really saddening and a bit tragic, so I hope his family was watching and maybe were buoyed by it in some weird way that isn't satisfying or going to wipe it away, but maybe gave a context to everything for a brief moment (?). He was a Cincinnati kid, or like an hour away from Cinci, so it must have had meaning in some way and I hope they got something out of it. I really do.

That was pretty much what I thought of as we were playing our way out of the 1.01.

Agree - Nick Mangold's passing really effected me and I wanted a win for the franchise and his family. It was probably the most pumped up Ive been for a Jets win in years which is sad lol.

Ill be rooting for them to come out of the bye hopefully looking like a competent team and if so will root for wins down the stretch. If they revert back to the keystone cops then ill be hoping for draft position in a few weeks - but at least for now im still vested.

 

[rockaction]

I wanted a win for the franchise and his family

I wouldn't say I rooted hard for it because I was caught up in the game and the ramifications of winning, but once it did dawn on me and I thought about it maybe being Breece's last game, and I saw that they really hadn't quit (they looked at first like they had indeed quit); then I had absolutely no problem with them winning and smiled that it made some of the good guys feel a little better about their situation—from everybody from my favorites like Breece to guys I cheer for like Isaiah Davis, to guys that are likable like Fields, to guys that I have a tough time liking (but not hating) like Aaron Glenn.

I'm not an ogre; I don't hate the guys I pull for.

Woody is a bit different. I don't pull for that dude.

 

[Crash Davis]

Fatalism is that nothing is going to work out no matter what, regardless of draft pick because it's the Jets . . . We can and will fail to find the ever elusive franchise QB at the 1.01, the 1.02 or the 1.10.

Yeah, that's a given. That's part of the cause of the learned hopelessness.

Wait, so why is winning culture important to you? Sounds like you're changing up your argument from hopeful to hopelessness and back. It's cool. I'm just explaining what he was saying. He was being a bit wry.

I don't believe I ever said I have hope. I specifically said that one win doesn't give me hope or faith. I can however have an opinion about how a team like the Jets in their current state can break this cycle. I happen to disagree that the best way is the number one pick. I also think winning more down the stretch (not just a game or two at the end when starters are rested) would be more fun to watch and if it came about as a result of the staff growing into it's roles and facilitating those wins then that would be about as much as i could ask for. Believing that will actually happen is something different entirely.

 

[Zeppelin]

I went through the same thing with the 2020 Lions. We were 0-10-1 and beat the Vikings as time expired. I was really excited when they won. Before that, I was rooting for 0-15-1.

 

[NYRAGE]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

I've been rooting for this team for 54 years. Could be longer, but my first memories of rooting for them are at age 4. I know fully well that we will win a useless game or two at the end.

I didn't say that I was rooting for them to lose, just for them to have the top pick. I'm rooting for the other bum teams to win as well. But to honest, unless it's against Miami, wining 2 or 3 games doesn't mean crap the following year either. Conversely, I've been a fan long enough to know that all those useless wins at the end of the season did not translate into some magical momentum into next season. I'm all about being practical these days.

It's week 8, no wins right now are useless, even for a team going nowhere like the Jets. I know we've been beaten into submission and conditioned to think losing is winning, but if you believe in winning culture, then you have to believe that actually winning helps get there. It's one game, let's see where it goes from here.

He's projecting into the future and saying that 2 or 3 wins at the very end of the schedule (one usually an upset of a banged-up team and one 50/50 toss-up of two garbage teams is how I find it normally goes down) doesn't add to a winning culture. I've found that it adds to free agents' tape and never carries over.

I love winning culture but love the 1.01 much more than the 1.10

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Useless wins at the end of the season. Nothing about this past week. It's twice now that it's been interpreted the wrong way, but at least you understand me. Ha.

 

[rockaction]

Pretty awesome win on a day when the news came out that Nick passed away.

Good for Fields. I think yesterday was more of a result of playing the Bengals defense, but great game for him and the rest of the team on the heels of Woody's stupid comments. Also great for the players. Woody should go be an American ambassador to Mars.

While i want that top overall pick, no one wants to go win-less. At least we can get some peace heading into the bye week.

I've been a Jets fan long enough to know that hoping to lose so they can get the franchise saving QB with the top pick is fool's gold. At this point I'd rather see progress and signs of growth from the coaching staff and young plyers like we saw today. If we get more games like that and it costs us the top pick so be it. Whoever the next QB is I'd prefer them coming into a team that finished strong with a staff that showed signs of improvement than a team that went 1-16 and is looking to them to "save" the franchise.

I've been rooting for this team for 54 years. Could be longer, but my first memories of rooting for them are at age 4. I know fully well that we will win a useless game or two at the end.

I didn't say that I was rooting for them to lose, just for them to have the top pick. I'm rooting for the other bum teams to win as well. But to honest, unless it's against Miami, wining 2 or 3 games doesn't mean crap the following year either. Conversely, I've been a fan long enough to know that all those useless wins at the end of the season did not translate into some magical momentum into next season. I'm all about being practical these days.

It's week 8, no wins right now are useless, even for a team going nowhere like the Jets. I know we've been beaten into submission and conditioned to think losing is winning, but if you believe in winning culture, then you have to believe that actually winning helps get there. It's one game, let's see where it goes from here.

He's projecting into the future and saying that 2 or 3 wins at the very end of the schedule (one usually an upset of a banged-up team and one 50/50 toss-up of two garbage teams is how I find it normally goes down) doesn't add to a winning culture. I've found that it adds to free agents' tape and never carries over.

I love winning culture but love the 1.01 much more than the 1.10

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Useless wins at the end of the season. Nothing about this past week. It's twice now that it's been interpreted the wrong way, but at least you understand me. Ha.

I try to bring your message to the people. But I can really only help translate the richness of your language into their vernacular; you’re going to have to take up the art of persuasion.

 

[NYRAGE]

Actually, maybe more than twice. Let me try again.

I was HAPPY that we won. It felt good for the players and for me. I was in a good mood.

I was not happy about losing the top pick. At least for this week. Still another half of a season to go.

I am also rooting for the bottom teams to win to give us room for us to win. . eg. Miami won..Makes me happy again. Tenn and NO lost, so not as happy.

I am not rooting for us to tank. Tank means to deliberately lose. Even Stevie Wonder can see that we don't need to intentionally try to lose.

I am not a fatalist. Quite the opposite of one (life in general), but sure, lump me in as if you know me. Jesus Christ.

I used to be known as the most optimistic fan in here. Not sure if that was really true, but relatively maybe so because everyone was so negative about them. I am a pragmatic person. The teams at the top of the draft are usually bad for a reason. Maybe that's why some of the top picks don't work out (or maybe QBs are just the hardest position to scout), but logic dictates that the higher the pick, the more of a choice you have in choosing the QB (whether it turns out right or wrong) and the less of the cost it requires to move up if necessary. Not to mention, it's not just the first overall pick. It's about having a higher draft in every round.

Momentum carrying over is a usually a pipe dream like after smoking hash. There is so much turnover from year to year. So many injuries. Winning a few games at the end of the year doesn't mean squat the following year.

All of that said, I'm just waiting to see how things play out the rest of the year. When the end of December comes, I will weigh out whether I want the Jets to beat NE or Buffalo depending on what's on the line. I'm 58 years old and I have been rooting for this team at least 54 years. Don't think you're a better fan than me (I've watched every game since I can remember no matter what our record was) or that you have some better outlook on life if we disagree on how we get to what we're both looking for (the Jets to be good). I'm not judging anyone else for what they root for. I guess that's it.



Btw, my first post before the Bengals game was satire, but I wasn't completely wrong. The Jets sent out their season ticket requests today with a nice price increase.

 

[NYRAGE]

I try to bring your message to the people. But I can really only help translate the richness of your language into their vernacular; you’re going to have to take up the art of persuasion.

Posting on this message board for me is mostly for sharing in the pain/joy with others rooting for the same team.

It's why I rarely post in threads outside of this one. I'm not really trying to persuade anyone on which RB will succeed or why some QB sucks. It's not my raison d'être. People can believe what they want. I have no interest in changing anyone's mind about anything. I might just share a story how I met Robert Plant or Ace Frehley. I'm not the type to try to persuade people to like or dislike them.

 

[Crash Davis]

Actually, maybe more than twice. Let me try again.

I was HAPPY that we won. It felt good for the players and for me. I was in a good mood.

I was not happy about losing the top pick. At least for this week. Still another half of a season to go.

I am also rooting for the bottom teams to win to give us room for us to win. . eg. Miami won..Makes me happy again. Tenn and NO lost, so not as happy.

I am not rooting for us to tank. Tank means to deliberately lose. Even Stevie Wonder can see that we don't need to intentionally try to lose.

I am not a fatalist. Quite the opposite of one (life in general), but sure, lump me in as if you know me. Jesus Christ.

I used to be known as the most optimistic fan in here. Not sure if that was really true, but relatively maybe so because everyone was so negative about them. I am a pragmatic person. The teams at the top of the draft are usually bad for a reason. Maybe that's why some of the top picks don't work out (or maybe QBs are just the hardest position to scout), but logic dictates that the higher the pick, the more of a choice you have in choosing the QB (whether it turns out right or wrong) and the less of the cost it requires to move up if necessary. Not to mention, it's not just the first overall pick. It's about having a higher draft in every round.

Momentum carrying over is a usually a pipe dream like after smoking hash. There is so much turnover from year to year. So many injuries. Winning a few games at the end of the year doesn't mean squat the following year.

All of that said, I'm just waiting to see how things play out the rest of the year. When the end of December comes, I will weigh out whether I want the Jets to beat NE or Buffalo depending on what's on the line. I'm 58 years old and I have been rooting for this team at least 54 years. Don't think you're a better fan than me (I've watched every game since I can remember no matter what our record was) or that you have some better outlook on life if we disagree on how we get to what we're both looking for (the Jets to be good). I'm not judging anyone else for what they root for. I guess that's it.



Btw, my first post before the Bengals game was satire, but I wasn't completely wrong. The Jets sent out their season ticket requests today with a nice price increase.

I guess all of this is directed at me? Wow is all I can say. If i'm wrong then disregard, but if it is i'm perplexed.

rockaction brought up fatalism first, not me. I chimed in that all Jets fans are fatalists when it comes to the Jets and success. Second I never intended to say I'm a better fan than anyone. I have zero idea where that is coming from. I said I have a different opinion of what a pathway to success looks like and I illustrated why I think that. I don't remember disparaging anyone in particular about having a different opinion. I believe I said that I felt being upset about winning a game or two is "silly" and IMHO it is. That doesn't mean I was trying to call anyone a bad fan or say that i'm somehow better. Maybe Dr. Octopus has the right idea, this thread is suddenly full of feelings where it used to seem much more like a place of community for beleaguered Jets fans. All my best to everyone. Enjoy the rest of the season whatever way you see fit.

 

[rockaction]

I am not a fatalist. Quite the opposite of one (life in general), but sure, lump me in as if you know me. Jesus Christ.

Heh. Okay. I thought you were being ironic and half-serious. Seemed tonally consistent, anyway.

Posting on this message board for me is mostly for sharing in the pain/joy with others rooting for the same team.

It's why I rarely post in threads outside of this one. I'm not really trying to persuade anyone on which RB will succeed or why some QB sucks. It's not my raison d'être. People can believe what they want. I have no interest in changing anyone's mind about anything. I might just share a story how I met Robert Plant or Ace Frehley. I'm not they type to try to persuade people to like or dislike them.

Sounds in keeping with how you post. I was really just trying to be humorous. Perhaps my perceived didacticism prevents me from kidding around in that tone.

 

[rockaction]

Actually, maybe more than twice. Let me try again.

I was HAPPY that we won. It felt good for the players and for me. I was in a good mood.

I was not happy about losing the top pick. At least for this week. Still another half of a season to go.

I am also rooting for the bottom teams to win to give us room for us to win. . eg. Miami won..Makes me happy again. Tenn and NO lost, so not as happy.

I am not rooting for us to tank. Tank means to deliberately lose. Even Stevie Wonder can see that we don't need to intentionally try to lose.

I am not a fatalist. Quite the opposite of one (life in general), but sure, lump me in as if you know me. Jesus Christ.

I used to be known as the most optimistic fan in here. Not sure if that was really true, but relatively maybe so because everyone was so negative about them. I am a pragmatic person. The teams at the top of the draft are usually bad for a reason. Maybe that's why some of the top picks don't work out (or maybe QBs are just the hardest position to scout), but logic dictates that the higher the pick, the more of a choice you have in choosing the QB (whether it turns out right or wrong) and the less of the cost it requires to move up if necessary. Not to mention, it's not just the first overall pick. It's about having a higher draft in every round.

Momentum carrying over is a usually a pipe dream like after smoking hash. There is so much turnover from year to year. So many injuries. Winning a few games at the end of the year doesn't mean squat the following year.

All of that said, I'm just waiting to see how things play out the rest of the year. When the end of December comes, I will weigh out whether I want the Jets to beat NE or Buffalo depending on what's on the line. I'm 58 years old and I have been rooting for this team at least 54 years. Don't think you're a better fan than me (I've watched every game since I can remember no matter what our record was) or that you have some better outlook on life if we disagree on how we get to what we're both looking for (the Jets to be good). I'm not judging anyone else for what they root for. I guess that's it.



Btw, my first post before the Bengals game was satire, but I wasn't completely wrong. The Jets sent out their season ticket requests today with a nice price increase.

I guess all of this is directed at me? Wow is all I can say. If i'm wrong then disregard, but if it is i'm perplexed.

rockaction brought up fatalism first, not me. I chimed in that all Jets fans are fatalists when it comes to the Jets and success. Second I never intended to say I'm a better fan than anyone. I have zero idea where that is coming from. I said I have a different opinion of what a pathway to success looks like and I illustrated why I think that. I don't remember disparaging anyone in particular about having a different opinion. I believe I said that I felt being upset about winning a game or two is "silly" and IMHO it is. That doesn't mean I was trying to call anyone a bad fan or say that i'm somehow better. Maybe Dr. Octopus has the right idea, this thread is suddenly full of feelings where it used to seem much more like a place of community for beleaguered Jets fans. All my best to everyone. Enjoy the rest of the season whatever way you see fit.

Think it's directed at me, although I could be wrong. You've done nothing wrong. At all. Just be you. It's me.

 

[Bri]

Rosenblatt telling a story (saw on Titans podcast) how Brownlee asked what time it was and said good I still have time to watch the Titans lose.
Laughter and comments from others
Then everyone saying he's a dawg
****
Brownlee also supposedly said IDC if we're up 20 or down 20, I want my man to hate seeing me come cover him. Watch their face when you line up, that'll tell ya how you're doing

Supposedly Glenn likes this and sorta spreading quietly thru the team.

That's invaluable and huge for the Jets. Doesn't really matter who or why but they needed a dawg to give em some attitude

 

[Bri]

On Sirius the callers not hosts had Sauce as being traded near the deadline.
I was yelling at the radio OMG are you secret Titans fans?
Losing team mindset to stay losing is to add an asset and then give up another after. It's not getting better. So stupid

 

[rockaction]

On Sirius the callers not hosts had Sauce as being traded near the deadline.
I was yelling at the radio OMG are you secret Titans fans?
Losing team mindset to stay losing is to add an asset and then give up another after. It's not getting better. So stupid

The louder and more obnoxious fans can get really negative towards Sauce because he's not perfect, he doesn't cause turnovers, and he doesn't tackle well. I get why the fans are put off by that. I just want him to shut guys down, and he does a decent job of it.