Ministry of Pain
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Good one Drew
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*** Indianapolis vs New Orleans Game Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Whoops - INT BY BREES
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
Your Bush bashing schtick is getting old quick. Give it a rest. I think you've made your point that you think Bush is ranked too high by many people, so let it go.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Who is the 2nd Te with Conwell?I see they love throwing to the FB Karney.Hosher said:
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I drafted Rhodes banking that he would be the starter and be successfull.Addai right now has 9 carries for 12 yards and a 1 yard TD. Not real impressive from a running standpoint, most guys will punch it in with 2 runs from the 2 like he just did.You can't have a RBBC when you have Yds/carry stats like that and I think his stats have been like this all preseason.This is a slow email draft so I can still draft Addai. Wonder if I should just carry both and hope one emerges, cause if one does they will be a great value.
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Renegades of Funk
Footballguy
How many times has McKenzie had Pass Interference trying to cover Marvin. It seems like there have been around 4. Wow.
Addai just scored from a goalline formation.Personally, it looks RBBC. I would avoid, but if you drafted Rhodes high I would target Addai later (if someone else doesn't beat you first).
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I think that's not a bad policy in this case -- but no Addai hasn't impressed much this preseason. He should look much better against the NO run D. I think Rhodes - while not spectacular in general - will hold the #1 unless Addai wakes up in the first week.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
How can Conwell be the 2nd Te with Conwell?
Clones man. Clones.How can Conwell be the 2nd Te with Conwell?
My bad...they motion Karney out of the backfield and line him up as a te.Bush - no appearances on first downs; two appearances on second downs; four appearances on thrid downs.Clones man. Clones.How can Conwell be the 2nd Te with Conwell?
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SteelerMurf
Footballguy
4 touches for 12 yardsMy bad...they motion Karney out of the backfield and line him up as a te.Bush - no appearances on first down; two apperanaces on second downs; four appearances on thrid downs.Clones man. Clones.How can Conwell be the 2nd Te with Conwell?
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
What RB was on the field w/ Colts during 2 minute drill?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I see thanks for the info HosherMy bad...they motion Karney out of the backfield and line him up as a te.Bush - no appearances on first downs; two appearances on second downs; four appearances on thrid downs.Clones man. Clones.How can Conwell be the 2nd Te with Conwell?
NoFBinLA I was worried I had wandered into one of those alternate universes again. I hate it when that happens.It would be just like the Saints to clone a player like Conwell instead of a more useful player like Bush though.
RhodesBush on the field for the Saints 2 minute drill, caught two little five and outs (nothing fancy, did what any coach would tell him to do - run straight out of bounds)
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We must fan the flames for this kid.
Shermanator
Footballguy
Guys, you are my eyes for this game. You stopped talking 
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
Saints offense
27 passes
6 runs
This could be normal as much as they are going to be behind
27 passes
6 runs
This could be normal as much as they are going to be behind
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
McAllister shwoing he is no slouch.
Deuce with two real nice runs on the scoring drive - note that this is the first touchdown scored by the "first team" offense in the preseason.Still no Deuce and Reggie in the backfield at the same time. Deuce goes in first, Bush is a quasi-third down back. I say quasi because he was in on thw two-minute drill and he comes in on some second downs (though mostly long second downs). Bush's value will cleary be in his pass-catching, ala that Falcons rb who hauled in nearly 100 ctaches one year (forgive me, I can't remember his name right now). Deuce is looking good, he is not going to be replaced by Bush this year as the predominant running back.Brees likes his te's (Cnwell & Karney), but he has been eratic in his timing and placement. Stallworth looks good, might be the first option over Horn this year. Brees doesn't look comfortable in this offense yet, and the Saints line is giving him time. Brown (RT turned LT) did a solid job holding off Freeney - this bodes well for Brees this year. Again, they just scored thier first pre-season td - I would be nervous drafting Saints.Rhodes/Addai looks RBBC. Peyton has all day against this defense, Peyton showing he will throw it to whoever is open. Harrison preferred over Wayne tonight, and Harrison abused McKenzie. Harrison showing he is not yet ready to cede his number one spot to Wayne. Those writing off Harrison for this year in favor of Wayne might be disappointed.Start anyone going against this Saints defense - again, they look horrible. Surprise - Fujita & Shanle were the starters, of course they would suck.Just my .02...
Kleck.
Footballguy
This should help give him even more confidence with his return. With an ADP in the 6th round and being RB #31, I'm liking the value.
cr8f
Footballguy
I've been getting him in the 7th. In dynasty he is a great value if just for 2007.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Hey guys, Colts homer here...
Here is how I saw the starters for both sides for those of you who didn't get to watch the game...
NO Passing game has flashes. I still think it will take Brees some time to get on the same page as his WRs. They looked rough tonight. Both Horn and Stallworth could be mid-season pickups.
Deuce looks good! Bush will be fine, he is playing too fast in my opinion. I think once he settles down, he'll be okay. Both he and Addai are dancing too much trying to find a gaping hole like was there in college.
Colts D missing too many starters for a fair assessment. However, they look far from mid-season form. Too much room given by DBs.
Now for the Colts Offense. Manning to Wayne will become the #1 combo this season. Not just because of this game. By all accounts he has had a terrific off-season and pre-season. He is lighter this season and looks very hungry to go to the next level.
For those of you mocking Wayne and what he is capable of this year. Hold your breath after you let him go by in the late 2nd early 3rd. Top 7 WR is well within reach!
As I;ve said in several other posts this pre-season, Rhodes is and will be the starting RB for the Colts this season barring injury. Now, I think he might even get the goalling work with Mungro out. Easily top 20 RB this season.
Addai, will be the 3rd down guy between the 20s, but I can really see more than that.
The Colts offense has put in a new 1 lineman screen this season which has worked great nearly every time they run it.
2006 Colts:
Manning-4250/38
Rhodes 1300/8 225/2
Wayne 1200/14
Harrison 1200/12
Clark 350/3
Stokley 600/4
My guess anyway.
Here is how I saw the starters for both sides for those of you who didn't get to watch the game...
NO Passing game has flashes. I still think it will take Brees some time to get on the same page as his WRs. They looked rough tonight. Both Horn and Stallworth could be mid-season pickups.
Deuce looks good! Bush will be fine, he is playing too fast in my opinion. I think once he settles down, he'll be okay. Both he and Addai are dancing too much trying to find a gaping hole like was there in college.
Colts D missing too many starters for a fair assessment. However, they look far from mid-season form. Too much room given by DBs.
Now for the Colts Offense. Manning to Wayne will become the #1 combo this season. Not just because of this game. By all accounts he has had a terrific off-season and pre-season. He is lighter this season and looks very hungry to go to the next level.
For those of you mocking Wayne and what he is capable of this year. Hold your breath after you let him go by in the late 2nd early 3rd. Top 7 WR is well within reach!
As I;ve said in several other posts this pre-season, Rhodes is and will be the starting RB for the Colts this season barring injury. Now, I think he might even get the goalling work with Mungro out. Easily top 20 RB this season.
Addai, will be the 3rd down guy between the 20s, but I can really see more than that.
The Colts offense has put in a new 1 lineman screen this season which has worked great nearly every time they run it.
2006 Colts:
Manning-4250/38
Rhodes 1300/8 225/2
Wayne 1200/14
Harrison 1200/12
Clark 350/3
Stokley 600/4
My guess anyway.
I see no reason why he can't hit 1000 rushing yards, but not much more than that. If he only averges 75 yards per game, he would hit 1125. I think this is reasonable, but he won't get the catches. Scoring? I won't guess. The Saints have shown nothing resembling a goalline formation with the "first-team" offense in the preseason.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Yup
ocstallions
Footballguy
Harrison preferred over Wayne tonight, and Harrison abused McKenzie. Harrison showing he is not yet ready to cede his number one spot to Wayne. Those writing off Harrison for this year in favor of Wayne might be disappointed.
I haven't seen any of the game, just following on nfl.com, but from the numbers, it appears to be the exact opposite. Wayne 6-47-1 (and two non-connected RZ targets) and Harrison 3-35-0. What was it about Harrison that showed he's the #1 (my paraphrase of your comment)?
I haven't seen any of the game, just following on nfl.com, but from the numbers, it appears to be the exact opposite. Wayne 6-47-1 (and two non-connected RZ targets) and Harrison 3-35-0. What was it about Harrison that showed he's the #1 (my paraphrase of your comment)?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Harrison preferred over Wayne tonight, and Harrison abused McKenzie. Harrison showing he is not yet ready to cede his number one spot to Wayne. Those writing off Harrison for this year in favor of Wayne might be disappointed.
I haven't seen any of the game, just following on nfl.com, but from the numbers, it appears to be the exact opposite. Wayne 6-47-1 (and two non-connected RZ targets) and Harrison 3-35-0. What was it about Harrison that showed he's the #1 (my paraphrase of your comment)?
At least 3 Pass Interference calls against Mackenzie while covering Harrison. One was an obvious TD of he didn't tackle Harrison.
I haven't seen any of the game, just following on nfl.com, but from the numbers, it appears to be the exact opposite. Wayne 6-47-1 (and two non-connected RZ targets) and Harrison 3-35-0. What was it about Harrison that showed he's the #1 (my paraphrase of your comment)?
At least 3 Pass Interference calls against Mackenzie while covering Harrison. One was an obvious TD of he didn't tackle Harrison.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Mike Hass not in the picture? :(
ocstallions
Footballguy
I haven't seen any of the game, just following on nfl.com, but from the numbers, it appears to be the exact opposite. Wayne 6-47-1 (and two non-connected RZ targets) and Harrison 3-35-0. What was it about Harrison that showed he's the #1 (my paraphrase of your comment)?
At least 3 Pass Interference calls against Mackenzie while covering Harrison. One was an obvious TD of he didn't tackle Harrison.
Cool, thanks for the info!
cr8f
Footballguy
In this draft from last week Deuce went after C Brown, Greg Jones, Ahman, the 37th RB picked.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Right around where he should be picked
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Its the preseason....we wont know how either Deuce or Bush will be used in the offense. After week one we can then start to make assumptions.
cr8f
Footballguy
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Eric Metcalf?
Shermanator
Footballguy
I agree with this 100%.I hope
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
In Metcalfs rookie year he was the 11th best ff RB. I would take that.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MetcEr00.htm
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Thanks for your Colts RB analysis. I value homer thoughts more than all the rookie Kool Aide drinkers. I picked Rhodes as my #3 RB on Friday, only to turn around and see Addai totally splitting carries this last game, what was that all about? I figured Rhodes would play well enough as the starter to limit Addai to 3rd down work and change of pace.
djcolts
Footballguy
I listened to the Colts radio network a couple hours after the game, where Will Wolford (former LT for the Bills and Colts) talked about the Colts offense and how they were throwing all over the place. He pointed out that in preseason, teams' goals on defense is to stop the run first - to work on fundamentals.
However, any defense in the regular season that plays against the Colts will have to focus on stopping the passing game first, so it won't be so easy for the Colts to throw all over the place as it has been in the pre-season, but because of that there should be more running lanes in the regular season for the Colts.
I think this is an excellent point, and a warning not to completely overreact to what we've seen so far from the Colts offense - both in terms of the Colts running game looking sucky AND the passing game looking like Tecmo Bowl.
However, any defense in the regular season that plays against the Colts will have to focus on stopping the passing game first, so it won't be so easy for the Colts to throw all over the place as it has been in the pre-season, but because of that there should be more running lanes in the regular season for the Colts.
I think this is an excellent point, and a warning not to completely overreact to what we've seen so far from the Colts offense - both in terms of the Colts running game looking sucky AND the passing game looking like Tecmo Bowl.
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djcolts
Footballguy
I'm watching the replay on NFL network right now. I think Addai played much better than he did last week, even though it didn't show up in the stats. Last week he looked tentative - he danced less this week and made some yardage after first contact on several of his carries.
Rhodes looked about the same as he did last week. There were way too many Saints in the backfield on running plays in the first half.
Rhodes looked about the same as he did last week. There were way too many Saints in the backfield on running plays in the first half.
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
Don't let the alternating of backs fool you! Of course Dungy wanted to see how Addai looked running with the first team.
Rhodes will be the man. Too many things going for him:
Experienced in the offfense
Tenure
More adept at the pass blocking
Trusted by Manning
I would caution that I love Rhodes value as a RB3. That is where his value lies with me.
Rhodes will be the man. Too many things going for him:
Experienced in the offfense
Tenure
More adept at the pass blocking
Trusted by Manning
I would caution that I love Rhodes value as a RB3. That is where his value lies with me.
