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Injuries Aside: Stewart vs. Mendenhall (1 Viewer)

Stewart vs. Mendenhall

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Both of these guys are considered part of the Big 3. Each also has a cast of supporters claiming they are #1. There are still some that say these guys are 1, 2 and that the heralded back of this class, McFadden, is #3, bringing up the rear.

We've already had a poll/vote ranking the three. However, this poll has a little twist. In this one, you get to ignore the injury history and forecast of both players (Stewart obviously is the one with the big injury red flag). Assume both Stewart and Mendenhall will have very healthy NFL careers. Now, which has the better talent to produce for a dynasty FF team?

 
Really surprised Mendenhall is losing this.
Why? The injuries are the major concern with Stewart. If you remove that from the comparison, as the thread starter says you should, then why wouldn't you take Stewart, who's big, fast, has great hands, and seems to have everything you'd want?
 
I can't think of a single thing Mendenhall does better than Stewart. And don't let the Combine fool you, Stewart is also faster. Stewart ran on a toe needing immediate surgery. He also ran sub 4.4 three straight years (in Spring practices) before the toe injury.

 
Really surprised Mendenhall is losing this.
Why? The injuries are the major concern with Stewart. If you remove that from the comparison, as the thread starter says you should, then why wouldn't you take Stewart, who's big, fast, has great hands, and seems to have everything you'd want?
Agility, Burst?
I agree that Mendenhall's a tad faster, but Stewart's not exactly a plodder, and I do believe that we have history on our side when we note that speed, of all the attributes a RB has, doesn't directly translate into NFL success.
 
A) I haven't watched Stewart but I did see a good bit of Mendenhall, and he just seems like a better overall back. That could be from not seeing many Ducks games though.

B) Didn't read the "injuries aside" part. Still, I'd pick Mendenhall over Stewart.

 
Really surprised Mendenhall is losing this.
Why? The injuries are the major concern with Stewart. If you remove that from the comparison, as the thread starter says you should, then why wouldn't you take Stewart, who's big, fast, has great hands, and seems to have everything you'd want?
Agility, Burst?
id add elusiveness to go along with agility as well, not to mention I think the clear facet that Mendenhall is better than Stewart is receiving out of the backfield, although that also can be influenced by where he ends up. I could see him catching a lot of balls in Detroit
 
If Im not mistaken, Stewart has always been considered a stud, cream of the crop.

Mendenhall showed up last year.

Does anyone know the history of the 2 before 2007?

 
A) I haven't watched Stewart but I did see a good bit of Mendenhall, and he just seems like a better overall back. That could be from not seeing many Ducks games though. B) Didn't read the "injuries aside" part. Still, I'd pick Mendenhall over Stewart.
By that rationale..."Julius Jones is better than Adrian Peterson because I have never seen him play." Doesn't make much sense to me. That being said, I actually do think that they are pretty similar as far as talent goes...possibly Stewart getting a slight edge. I would rather have either than McFadden.
 
If Im not mistaken, Stewart has always been considered a stud, cream of the crop.Mendenhall showed up last year. Does anyone know the history of the 2 before 2007?
Stewart has been a top tier player for a few years.Mendenhall sat behind Pierre Thomas for a year - while I like Pierre this year for the Saints, Mendenhall seems like a ploddoer to me - no shake to hsi runs.
 
If Pierre Thomas held back Mendenhall then how is this even a contest?
You can't get too hung up on that for a few reasons:1. College coaches aren't always the best evaluators of talent. Joseph Addai was something of a bit player at LSU. He got a lot of playing time, but he wasn't the backbone of their team. Larry Johnson didn't start until his senior season at Penn State. Willie Parker was never the starter at North Carolina. I'm pretty sure Jamal Lewis backed up Travis Henry for a while at Tennessee. 2. Pierre Thomas made an NFL roster. He's obviously a good player. Maybe not a stud, but a good player nonetheless. Good enough to where you can't punish his backup for not beating him out.3. The NFL is a different ball game from college. Peter Warrick was better than Laveranues Coles in college. In the NFL, Laveranues Coles is better than Peter Warrick. Different playing styles translate better than others, which causes some guys to actually be better in the NFL than they were in college while other guys regress against the heightened competition. Mendenhall is more physically gifted than Thomas. So while they might have been similar college players, Mendenhall projects as a better NFL player. 4. Mendenhall was a five star recruit out of high school, so it's not like he never had talent. They just didn't showcase him until this season.
 
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As a Freshman Stewart failed to beat out Terrence Whitehead at Oregon. In fact, Whitehead was a feature back for them which included 3rd down duties. As a Sophomore Stewart was in RBBC with Jeremiah Johnson and pretty much written out of the third down package, not because he wasn't capable of the role, but because Johnson was better at it. This continued through Stewart's Junior season until Johnson tore up his knee. Then and only then did Stewart become a 3 down back at Oregon. He dominated in that role once given the opportunity. Stewart's sharing role has been glossed over here as coaching philosophy. This is false. Whitehead was fully featured in the game plan. Stewart was deliberately written out of the third down package. This is the reason I originally downgraded Stewart, and while he has made some terrific catches, he does seem a little stiff out of the backfield and in the pattern. I still suspect him to be the type to best fit in a sharing role, maybe similar to Marion Barber, but I'm not real sure of this. For that matter, any back can find himself in an RBBC in the NFL, I suppose. As EBF mentioned, Addai traveled the opposite path. From a role player in college to being featured in Indy. So, I dropped that downgrade from my opinion and now see Stewart as clearly the #2 back in the draft with no beef against those who see him as RB1. I suspect he could be drafted ahead of McFadden.

Like Stewart to Whitehead, Mendenhall arrived at Illinois with a blue chip rating but failed to take over for Pierre Thomas. Thomas is a good back and Mendenhall spent his Freshman season learning. He did flash some serious talent from time to time, as did Stewart as a Freshman. As a Sophomore it was more of the same for Mendenhall. He clearly showed he was the most explosive and dynamic back on the team. He remained a back up to Thomas because he was a little slow to learn the spread offense, and he had some fumbling issues. The coaches even acknowledged him as the most talented back on the team, but they could trust Pierre more, and used Mendenhall to spell Thomas and add some juice to the offense. In this case the term coach's philosophy may be more accurate than in Stewart's case. He was given the keys to the offense as a junior and dominated.

Their roles as backups and committee partners should have a little influence in their evaluations, I suppose, but not much. I put them side by side and see very similar players with one just a little more capable. Running between the tackles -- a slight edge to Stewart. He has better power and a little better moves. Running on the edge -- a slight edge to Stewart. He's more of a load to handle in space with his size and power and regardless of Combine results has a little better deep speed. As blockers Stewart really came along last year and he has the edge. Moves and lateral agility, I think Stewart is a little better at hitting the brakes, change of direction and getting through traffic. Stewart runs with better power. Basically, they are very similar players, but Stewart is a little bigger, a little faster, a little more athletic, and it's hard to grade Mendenhall above him. I expect both to be top 10 backs in the NFL eventually if they both stay healthy. Health being the redflag for Stewart. I read an article recently where he discussed the injury history, playing through it, the nature of the injuries, and why he thinks it's blown out of proportion. I wish I bookmarked it, because I cannot find it, but he convinced me not to make too much of it. I know little about Mendenhall on the personal side of things, but I can tell you their may not be a better "character" than Stewart in the draft. I would be absolutely giddy if Dallas somehow added him to Barber. It would shoot his fantasy potential in the foot, but it would give Dallas one helluva duo for a run at a title.

 
A) I haven't watched Stewart but I did see a good bit of Mendenhall, and he just seems like a better overall back. That could be from not seeing many Ducks games though. B) Didn't read the "injuries aside" part. Still, I'd pick Mendenhall over Stewart.
By that rationale..."Julius Jones is better than Adrian Peterson because I have never seen him play." Doesn't make much sense to me. That being said, I actually do think that they are pretty similar as far as talent goes...possibly Stewart getting a slight edge. I would rather have either than McFadden.
That's a nice mischaracterization there. You work in politics? I haven't seen AS MUCH of Stewart as I have of Mendenhall, but what I have seen leads me to beleive that Mendenhall is a better runner, by a slight bit. The two are considered equal prospects. Thus the question, I assume. I don't think many people ever asked who was going to be better between AP and Julius Jones.
 
Guys, unless you're talking about them as upperclassmen, the truth is that who players "were held back" by means little as many of these guys mature at different rates. Also, different college coaches pay different amounts of attention to seniority. Yes, it's something to pay attention to when a guy has only performed for one year, but to draw comprehensive conclusions based solely upon that is silly to me. Lots of backup college RB's have thrived in the NFL, including Jamal Lewis, Terrell Davis, and Clinton Portis.

The truth is that these two guys are very close as prospects go, and much of their relative fantasy value will be determined by where they end up. I'm a big fan of Stewart, having seen a number of his games and am very impressed with his combination of speed, size and power. His hands are also underrated IMHO as he has seemed to me like a good receiver out of the backfield.

I was OTOH at the Rose Bowl game which, aside from being a showcase of USC's dominance, also served notice as to how explosive Mendenhall is. IMHO Mendenhall runs "lighter" than Stewart and is a bit easier to bring down, which always concerns me when transitioning to the NFL, but there's no doubting his speed and ability to make big plays in the open field.

 
I haven't put time into actually doing a "study" on this... but, it seems that bigger backs break down much more quickly, if not at the very least miss time frequently due to injury.

A few that come to mind, JLew, Bettis, SJax, JAnderson, Ironhead Heyward, LJ

I'm sure there are others, but those come to mind... some had short careers, others missed time frequently over their careers due to injury. Stewart already has an injury to deal with. To take that out of the equation, to me, is eliminating a valid variable for projection.

I go with Mendenhall personally, he just seems better built to last in the NFL.

 
I haven't put time into actually doing a "study" on this... but, it seems that bigger backs break down much more quickly, if not at the very least miss time frequently due to injury.

A few that come to mind, JLew, Bettis, SJax, JAnderson, Ironhead Heyward, LJ

I'm sure there are others, but those come to mind... some had short careers, others missed time frequently over their careers due to injury. Stewart already has an injury to deal with. To take that out of the equation, to me, is eliminating a valid variable for projection.

I go with Mendenhall personally, he just seems better built to last in the NFL.
I'm certainly not arguing that size is any sort of guarantee for success, but every single one of those guys with the exception of Heyward was a top-3 RB at least once in their careers. Yes, they had injury problems but when you're trying to draft an elite back which is what the Stewart and Mendenhall drafters this year will be aiming for, isn't that potential more important than durability?
 
I haven't put time into actually doing a "study" on this... but, it seems that bigger backs break down much more quickly, if not at the very least miss time frequently due to injury.

A few that come to mind, JLew, Bettis, SJax, JAnderson, Ironhead Heyward, LJ

I'm sure there are others, but those come to mind... some had short careers, others missed time frequently over their careers due to injury. Stewart already has an injury to deal with. To take that out of the equation, to me, is eliminating a valid variable for projection.

I go with Mendenhall personally, he just seems better built to last in the NFL.
I'm certainly not arguing that size is any sort of guarantee for success, but every single one of those guys with the exception of Heyward was a top-3 RB at least once in their careers. Yes, they had injury problems but when you're trying to draft an elite back which is what the Stewart and Mendenhall drafters this year will be aiming for, isn't that potential more important than durability?
Which would you prefer - a guy who finishes top-5 seven years in a row

a guy who finished #1 once, but never hits top-10 again?

Ask the guys who had Larry Johnson or Steven Jackson this past season....

 
side dish of Rice?
Your spot on, I would remove DMAC and put Stew, Mend, Rice as the top three backs in this draft. As to taking Stew or Mend I think its going to be more of a question of where they go. I think Stew is the superior back but the other two are no slouches.Either way.
 
I haven't put time into actually doing a "study" on this... but, it seems that bigger backs break down much more quickly, if not at the very least miss time frequently due to injury.A few that come to mind, JLew, Bettis, SJax, JAnderson, Ironhead Heyward, LJI'm sure there are others, but those come to mind... some had short careers, others missed time frequently over their careers due to injury. Stewart already has an injury to deal with. To take that out of the equation, to me, is eliminating a valid variable for projection.I go with Mendenhall personally, he just seems better built to last in the NFL.
I prefer Stewart, but you give a very valid point. I think Jacobs owners are going to figure this out if they haven't yet. Interesting variable!!
 
I haven't put time into actually doing a "study" on this... but, it seems that bigger backs break down much more quickly, if not at the very least miss time frequently due to injury.

A few that come to mind, JLew, Bettis, SJax, JAnderson, Ironhead Heyward, LJ

I'm sure there are others, but those come to mind... some had short careers, others missed time frequently over their careers due to injury. Stewart already has an injury to deal with. To take that out of the equation, to me, is eliminating a valid variable for projection.

I go with Mendenhall personally, he just seems better built to last in the NFL.
I'm certainly not arguing that size is any sort of guarantee for success, but every single one of those guys with the exception of Heyward was a top-3 RB at least once in their careers. Yes, they had injury problems but when you're trying to draft an elite back which is what the Stewart and Mendenhall drafters this year will be aiming for, isn't that potential more important than durability?
Which would you prefer - a guy who finishes top-5 seven years in a row

a guy who finished #1 once, but never hits top-10 again?

Ask the guys who had Larry Johnson or Steven Jackson this past season....
You don't think LJ or SJ are going to be top 10 again? SJ seems to be getting picked at 1.02 in dynasty startup drafts. Anyway, I think you offer a false choice. Yes, a rare handful of smaller RB's offer studly performance over a period of years, but we have discussed here at length how there is a correllation between body mass - up to a point anyway - and fantasy success. Reggie Bush has been healthy and I guess figures to remain so over his career. Would you rather have drafted him or a guy like SJ or LJ? How about a guy like Sean Alexander, who was an elite back for a good five years? How, on rookie draft day, do you distinguish him and his relative durability from a guy like LJ who seems to have broken down faster? How does the fact that LJ exceeded the infamous 400-carry mark affect your willingness to say that on draft day he was doomed to be a one-trick pony?

I'm not disputing the basic point that durability is an important consideration in evaluating a dynasty rookie draft, but I just don't see how, when you're sitting on a top three rookie pick, you ignore the potential for an available RB to reach the elite level as a fantasy player.

 
I can't think of a single thing Mendenhall does better than Stewart. And don't let the Combine fool you, Stewart is also faster. Stewart ran on a toe needing immediate surgery. He also ran sub 4.4 three straight years (in Spring practices) before the toe injury.
Thinks...Mendenhall = Intelligence
 
Which would you prefer -

a guy who finishes top-5 seven years in a row

a guy who finished #1 once, but never hits top-10 again?

Ask the guys who had Larry Johnson or Steven Jackson this past season....
You don't think LJ or SJ are going to be top 10 again? SJ seems to be getting picked at 1.02 in dynasty startup drafts.
I definitely do not think LJ will, and I have doubts about Jackson as well, but I do see Jackson having a few more top-5 finishes potentially to his career. But my point was, when those high finishes are interspersed with very low finishes, the average is much lower than a guy who perennially finishes in the top-5, even if he never hits #1. And if you are in a redraft, and have the guy the year he is injured, it really really sucks. And in a dynasty, it still sucks, even if you also have him the year he finishes #1.
Anyway, I think you offer a false choice. Yes, a rare handful of smaller RB's offer studly performance over a period of years, but we have discussed here at length how there is a correllation between body mass - up to a point anyway - and fantasy success. Reggie Bush has been healthy and I guess figures to remain so over his career. Would you rather have drafted him or a guy like SJ or LJ? How about a guy like Sean Alexander, who was an elite back for a good five years? How, on rookie draft day, do you distinguish him and his relative durability from a guy like LJ who seems to have broken down faster? How does the fact that LJ exceeded the infamous 400-carry mark affect your willingness to say that on draft day he was doomed to be a one-trick pony?
How exactly is Mendenhall a smaller RB???? I never advocated taking a smaller RB over one who is too big. I believe there are the same problems with both. There is an medium size which appears to be the best for long term NFL success... players above and below that range tend not to have long, injury free careers.
I'm not disputing the basic point that durability is an important consideration in evaluating a dynasty rookie draft, but I just don't see how, when you're sitting on a top three rookie pick, you ignore the potential for an available RB to reach the elite level as a fantasy player.
You don't ignore potential, you just evaluate it along with other factors. Stewart may have potential to be a #1 overall RB at some point in his career, but so does Mendenhall, and McFadden, and Jones IMO. Their potential is not equal in the regards. But then again, I think all have the potential to get injured and/or wear down. That potential is not equal either. When paring them all up though, I think Stewart and McFadden both have the biggest durability questions of the four.
 
This is a very tough, and very intriguing topic for me, as I have the #2 pick in my PPR dyansty league (first ever rookie draft), and have made 2 trades to get to this position. And I want to make sure I hit. Let it be known that I'm 99.9% sure Run DMC will go #1. I know the topic includes throwing out previous injuries, but that is much easier said than done, especially since injuries could make this pick a complete bust.

Living in Michigan, naturally I got to see more of Mendenhall(Big 10) than Stewart(Pac 10), and unfortuantely I was at work during the MICH-OREGON game. I was a big advocate of Mendenhall during the season, and had my eye on him for this draft all along, that is, until I discovered Stewart. I began to lead towards Stewart due to his blend of size & speed, and flat out production, as I am a fan of bigger backs. However, Mendenhall isn't exactly a small back, and, when comparing the two over the last few weeks I have begun to sway back toward Mendenhall. Comparing the two on film, Mendenhall seems to have more lateral mobility, hits the hole harder & faster, and also has fewer miles with no injury concerns to speak of. He looks all around faster/quicker than Stewart in pads. Stewart on the other hand, is bigger, stronger, and has shown that he can play through injuries. Should be great inside the 5yl and rack up plenty of TD's in his carrer. The thing that concerns me about Stewart is his lack of hip swerve (he looks stiff running the ball). However, I have only seen limited amount of film on Stewart, so I can't really count him out. I think both guys will be perennial top 12 fantasy backs, but I'm looking for a perennial top 5 back, and I have the feeling one of these guys will be just that. It's also nice how both can catch the ball out of the backfield. I still have to wait to see where each will end up in the draft, but assuming they end up in simliar situations, I have no definite answer as to who to grab. I would love to hear everyone's input, especially if someone had followed both throughout '07.

 
If Pierre Thomas held back Mendenhall then how is this even a contest?
Pierre Thomas was an UFA rookie, and he beat out Antonio Pittman to make the roster. Pittman was a 3rd round pick if I remember correctly. Thomas also ran hard when he got some tick last year. I think Thomas is pretty good... albeit stuck behind some talented backs in NO.
 
If Pierre Thomas held back Mendenhall then how is this even a contest?
Pierre Thomas was an UFA rookie, and he beat out Antonio Pittman to make the roster. Pittman was a 3rd round pick if I remember correctly. Thomas also ran hard when he got some tick last year. I think Thomas is pretty good... albeit stuck behind some talented backs in NO.
Agreed, Pierre Thomas is pretty damn talented, an NFL quality back(see his 100yards rushing, 100 yards receiving performance versus the Bears for proof)...it 'aint easy for a player to "beat out" this type of talent...and Rashard still received plenty of carries. This question all comes to down to situation...if Mendenhall lands in a bad situation, and Stewart does not, I'll take Stewart...and vice-versa...
 
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