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Interesting Bears stat (1 Viewer)

DoubleG

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Wheelhouse does a phenomenal job on interesting stats, but I found I thought to be most telling:

Can you say "Halftime Adjustments"?

I knew that you could.

Bear fans had long bemoaned the fact that Wanny (and others) didn't seem to make any changes/modifications to the game plan at halftime. Often, the Bears would get completely outplayed (i.e. outcoached) in the 2nd half of games...semingly shrugging their shoulders and saying "Well, it worked in the first half..."

This year the Bears have outscored their opponenets 185-92 in the 2nd half of games. Now, that may not seem that amazing to most people (as those are almost half their totals), however I submit to you two things:

1) There are many games (especially early in the year) when they were up big and thus settled for FG and running out the clock in the second half. As an example, one of only 2 teams that outscored the Bears in the second half was the 49ers - they outscored the Bears 10-0 in the 2nd half...after trailing 41-0 in the first half. For those curious, the Dolphins were the only other team to outscore the Bears in the second half of a game (17-3).

2) When you only use the numbers from games where the Bears played teams with winning records (i.e. the Giants, Jets, Seahwaks and Patriots) the desparity is GREATER - 65-14.

The Bears defense has held opponents to 7 or less second-half points in 8 out of 13 games.

That's what I would call "halftime adjustments".

 
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What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?

Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.

 
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PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
First question - feel free to check the stats yourself (sorry, I don't have time to look up every stat).Second question - yes, that's why they're 11-2...just like every other team in the NFC :shrug: There is only 1 other team in the NFL that has 11 wins at this point. Have they beaten bad teams? Yes. But the "reason" they are 11-2 is because they have scored points than any team but the Chargers and SIMULTANEOUSLY allowed fewer than anyone but the Ravens - and lead the NFL with 40 takeaways - 25% more than the next closest team.Every team in the NFL is "inconsistent" - that's why none are 13-0...not even the good ones. The good teams beat the teams they should beat more often (like SD & CHI). BTW, keep in mind the Bears have done most of this without two of their important defensive players - Mike Brown and now, Tommy Harris.
 
PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
I'm so sick of this.Look who the chargers have beat. 3 winning teams; cinci (8-5), denver twice (7-6). Let me guess they're ranked #1 on your power rankings ... and where are the Bears?
 
Eh, Rex still stinks and their defense looked like garbage without Tommie Harris. Hester is great though. Furthest they go is NFC championship game, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their first playoff game after the bye.

 
That's nice. It certainly wasn't the case against Steve Smith in the playoffs last year.

It was apparent against the Giants that Lovie Smith and Ron Rivera got away from their 'our CBs play a side of the field, not a particular receiver'. So I'm glad that they manned up the rangy Nutty Tillman on Plaxico Burress.

 
PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
I'm so sick of this.Look who the chargers have beat. 3 winning teams; cinci (8-5), denver twice (7-6). Let me guess they're ranked #1 on your power rankings ... and where are the Bears?
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
 
PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
I'm so sick of this.Look who the chargers have beat. 3 winning teams; cinci (8-5), denver twice (7-6).
Actually, that's technically only 2 winning teams ;) - but I agree with your point. I do find it amusing when Bear-haters cite the "weak" schedule of the Bears, failing to realize that teams like the Colts, for example, lost to Tennessee or the mighty Patriots were shutout by the Dolphins.Also, before people are quick to dismiss the Bears defense and special teams (for some reason, people forget that all 3 phases matter), it may be helpful to think of past Super Bowls and look at which teams won. HINT: it's usually the team with the better defense (i.e. Pittsburgh, New England, Baltimore, Tampa - NOT the Rams, the Raiders, the Seahawks, etc.)Two quick thoughts: Yes, if discount defense and special teams, the Bears Rams game would have been tied. The Vikings WOULD have a winning record too...if the Bears hadn't beaten them twice. :shrug:
 
DoubleG said:
This year the Bears have outscored their opponenets 185-92 in the 2nd half of games.
So the Bears have outscored their opponents by 93 points in the second half. :wall:The Chargers have outscored their opponents by 114 points in the second half. :thumbup: :thumbup: ;) (The Chargers have actually outscored their opponents by 104 points in just the fourth quarter.)
 
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PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
I'm so sick of this.Look who the chargers have beat. 3 winning teams; cinci (8-5), denver twice (7-6). Let me guess they're ranked #1 on your power rankings ... and where are the Bears?
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
:wall:
 
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
I agree with you...except for the "Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins" part. If the Bears play the Pats 10 times, the Bears win 7 - and that's in NE. The Colts and Bengals have no defense what so ever. I wouldn't guess Rex would try to throw through Jason Taylor too many more times. The Saints have already provided a blue print on how to beat Romo - and the Bears defense is much better and faster than New Orleans. The Saints, could give the Bears some challenges...but I'm guessing the kid from Southern CA will play a little different when its 7 below zero. Even so, the Bears do have a little team speed at LB - oh, and they can tackle.The Bears defense can take away one of the two phases of offense (see the stat lines of Plaxico Burress, or DJax as pass examples or Dillon, Edge or McGahee for RB examples). If you take away the Jags run game, I fail to see how David Garrard and his motley crew of WRs could out-duel the Bears. In terms of the Dolphins, well, let's just say I would disagree that you were talking off the top of your head... :wall:
 
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DoubleG said:
This year the Bears have outscored their opponenets 185-92 in the 2nd half of games.
So the Bears have outscored their opponents by 93 points in the second half. :wall:The Chargers have outscored their opponents by 114 points in the second half. :thumbup: :thumbup: ;) (The Chargers have actually outscored their opponents by 104 points in just the fourth quarter.)
I agree 100%. Even as Bears fan (I know that may shock some of you) - if the Bears make it to the Big Dance, if they're facing the Chargers, there's no way any of my hard earned money will be on the beloved.
 
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
I agree with you...except for the "Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins" part. If the Bears play the Pats 10 times, the Bears win 7 - and that's in NE. The Colts and Bengals have no defense what so ever. I wouldn't guess Rex would try to throw through Jason Taylor too many more times. The Saints have already provided a blue print on how to beat Romo - and the Bears defense is much better and faster than New Orleans. The Saints, could give the Bears some challenges...but I'm guessing the kid from Southern CA will play a little different when its 7 below zero. Even so, the Bears do have a little team speed at LB - oh, and they can tackle.The Bears defense can take away one of the two phases of offense (see the stat lines of Plaxico Burress, or DJax as pass examples or Dillon, Edge or McGahee for RB examples). If you take away the Jags run game, I fail to see how David Garrard and his motley crew of WRs could out-duel the Bears.

In terms of the Dolphins, well, let's just say I would disagree that you were talking off the top of your head... :confused:
I pretty much disagree with your whole post, but I wouldn't expect much different from a Bears homer right now. You love your team, they are winning a bunch and looking great, and that's what being a fan is all about. If you can't enjoy this right now, then why be a fan, ya know?However, as far as the last part, the Dolphins are a good football team right now. If anyone should know that, it is a Bears fan after the whooping they laid out on your boys right in Chicago.

I'm not a Dophins fan either. I'm a New England homer, and was at the game versus Chicago. It wasn't as close as the final score would indicate. It was a sloppy game with a lot of bad calls, but the Patriots pretty much had their way with the Bears and I don't see a reason why that wouldn't happen again if these 2 teams were to meet, IMO.

Good luck the rest of the way.

 
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PahtyTom said:
What have they outscored teams by in the 1st half?

Those are the only teams the Bears have played with winning records? Aside from that Patriots, who they lost to, those other teams are inconsistent and overrated for the most part. No wonder the Bears are 11-2.
I'm so sick of this.Look who the chargers have beat. 3 winning teams; cinci (8-5), denver twice (7-6). Let me guess they're ranked #1 on your power rankings ... and where are the Bears?
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
?? didn't the Seahawks just beat Denver IN Denver?? yeah, yeah I know it was Jake Cutler's 1st Start - but still at THIS moment that IS the Denver Broncos.
 
Cincy and Denver are about 1,000 times better than the Jets and the Seahawks. As far as power rankings, I don't do them. But off the top of my head, I'd say the Chargers, Ravens, Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins are all better than the Bears RIGHT NOW.
I agree with you...except for the "Jags, Cowboys, Bengals, Patriots, Colts, Saints, and Dolphins" part. If the Bears play the Pats 10 times, the Bears win 7 - and that's in NE. The Colts and Bengals have no defense what so ever. I wouldn't guess Rex would try to throw through Jason Taylor too many more times. The Saints have already provided a blue print on how to beat Romo - and the Bears defense is much better and faster than New Orleans. The Saints, could give the Bears some challenges...but I'm guessing the kid from Southern CA will play a little different when its 7 below zero. Even so, the Bears do have a little team speed at LB - oh, and they can tackle.The Bears defense can take away one of the two phases of offense (see the stat lines of Plaxico Burress, or DJax as pass examples or Dillon, Edge or McGahee for RB examples). If you take away the Jags run game, I fail to see how David Garrard and his motley crew of WRs could out-duel the Bears.

In terms of the Dolphins, well, let's just say I would disagree that you were talking off the top of your head... :unsure:
I pretty much disagree with your whole post, but I wouldn't expect much different from a Bears homer right now. You love your team, they are winning a bunch and looking great, and that's what being a fan is all about. If you can't enjoy this right now, then why be a fan, ya know?However, as far as the last part, the Dolphins are a good football team right now. If anyone should know that, it is a Bears fan after the whooping they laid out on your boys right in Chicago.

I'm not a Dophins fan either. I'm a New England homer, and was at the game versus Chicago. It wasn't as close as the final score would indicate. It was a sloppy game with a lot of bad calls, but the Patriots pretty much had their way with the Bears and I don't see a reason why that wouldn't happen again if these 2 teams were to meet, IMO.

Good luck the rest of the way.
:thumbup: Fair enough. I can think of one reason it wouldn't happen again: 153 and 85 -those would be the rushing numbers for the Bears and Pats in that game, respectively. If any team "had their way" with the other, I would hardly call it the team that only rushed for 85 yards. But as you said, we will obviously have to agree to disagree. A team that is 11-2 and will likely end up being 14-2 and being as "disrespected" as the Bears are does have me scratching my head a bit. But I do understand this team has weaknesses - I'm just not sure it has as many as most teams in the NFL.

 

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