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Franchise tackles are NEVER available via free agency or trade. Not unless they have serious injury question marks are on the downside of their career. Why do think guys like Orlando Pace and Walter Jones are so coveted by their teams?!?!?
I forget, what franchise tackle do the San Diego Chargers have? Hmm, you must know. It's not about franchise tackles, it's about O-line cohesion. You can pick some great O-lineman even on day two and make them work within your system. Whether Ferguson is a franchise OT is debatable. Robert Gallery was highly touted and he still can't even play left tackle yet. Tone down the hype on Ferguson.
Gallery is playing right tackle - genius.
You do realize you just made a complete fool of yourself, right? I said Gallery can't even play LEFT TACKLE yet. Hello, McFly? Did you completely miss that? I know Gallery is playing right tackle, which is why I said he can't even play left tackle yet---genius. Gallery hasn't moved to left tackle yet because they don't feel he can handle those blocking assignments. Franchise tackles are typically slotted as left tackles----genius.
 
Franchise tackles are NEVER available via free agency or trade. Not unless they have serious injury question marks are on the downside of their career. Why do think guys like Orlando Pace and Walter Jones are so coveted by their teams?!?!?
I forget, what franchise tackle do the San Diego Chargers have? Hmm, you must know. It's not about franchise tackles, it's about O-line cohesion. You can pick some great O-lineman even on day two and make them work within your system. Whether Ferguson is a franchise OT is debatable. Robert Gallery was highly touted and he still can't even play left tackle yet. Tone down the hype on Ferguson.
Gallery is playing right tackle - genius.
You do realize you just made a complete fool of yourself, right? I said Gallery can't even play LEFT TACKLE yet. Hello, McFly? Did you completely miss that? I know Gallery is playing right tackle, which is why I said he can't even play left tackle yet---genius. Gallery hasn't moved to left tackle yet because they don't feel he can handle those blocking assignments. Franchise tackles are typically slotted as left tackles----genius.
They are typically slotted at the QB's backside - and Gallery has not moved to the left cause their left tackle cannot move to the right side. Gallery also played his last 6 games in college at right tackle - not an unfamiliar place for him to be now.Keep typing - this is too easy.

 
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If the Texans take Bush w/the #1 pick they should be banned from the NFL.
The Bears took Cedric Benson when they already had Thomas Jones (...and Rex Grossman).They're now 6-3 and atop of the NFC North.

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You do realize you just made a complete fool of yourself, right? I said Gallery can't even play LEFT TACKLE yet. Hello, McFly? Did you completely miss that? I know Gallery is playing right tackle, which is why I said he can't even play left tackle yet---genius. Gallery hasn't moved to left tackle yet because they don't feel he can handle those blocking assignments. Franchise tackles are typically slotted as left tackles----genius.
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Be excellent, brother.
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Franchise tackles are NEVER available via free agency or trade. Not unless they have serious injury question marks are on the downside of their career. Why do think guys like Orlando Pace and Walter Jones are so coveted by their teams?!?!?
I forget, what franchise tackle do the San Diego Chargers have? Hmm, you must know. It's not about franchise tackles, it's about O-line cohesion. You can pick some great O-lineman even on day two and make them work within your system. Whether Ferguson is a franchise OT is debatable. Robert Gallery was highly touted and he still can't even play left tackle yet. Tone down the hype on Ferguson.
Gallery is playing right tackle - genius.
You do realize you just made a complete fool of yourself, right? I said Gallery can't even play LEFT TACKLE yet. Hello, McFly? Did you completely miss that? I know Gallery is playing right tackle, which is why I said he can't even play left tackle yet---genius. Gallery hasn't moved to left tackle yet because they don't feel he can handle those blocking assignments. Franchise tackles are typically slotted as left tackles----genius.
They are typically slotted at the QB's backside - and Gallery has not moved to the left cause their left tackle cannot move to the right side. Gallery also played his last 6 games in college at right tackle - not an unfamiliar place for him to be now.Keep typing - this is too easy.
Yeah ok.....so they'd rather maximize the talents of some no name LT on the left side than maximize Robert Gallery's talent on the left side. Sure...good one. :confused: Nice try, no cigar.

 
You do realize you just made a complete fool of yourself, right?  I said Gallery can't even play LEFT TACKLE yet.  Hello, McFly? Did you completely miss that?  I know Gallery is playing right tackle, which is why I said he can't even play left tackle yet---genius.  Gallery hasn't moved to left tackle yet because they don't feel he can handle those blocking assignments.  Franchise tackles are typically slotted as left tackles----genius.
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Be excellent, brother.
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Don't like a taste of your own medicine?
 
Nothing personal, but the one thing I have taken from this thread is to ignore Yao Ming's "knowledge" of football...

 
Nothing personal, but the one thing I have taken from this thread is to ignore Yao Ming's "knowledge" of football...
Actually that would be a mistake. The way you apply Yao's football "knowledge", is to read his advice....and then do the exact opposite.If you do that on a consistent basis, you'll be golden :thumbup:

 
If the Texans do not grab a player like D'Brickshaw - they do have further issues.

DOm is always hurt - with Morency, Wells and Dom - one would think they would pass on an RB.

One other thought - teams pass on a 2nd rounder for Edge and Alexander last year - but the price to contract Bush with first pick would be more than they would have to pay proven backs like the above mentioned - true?
Yeah, I agree DeBrickashaw should be the pick over Bush as well. Leinart would be harder for me to pass on but I'm not a scout so who knows? However, I don't think Bush really has a position in the NFL. Not saying he can't make some noise but I don't see him as a 300 carry back. If he went to the Eagles I could see it working but I don't know of too many Offenses out there that come close to running the kind of system they do (and obviously they won't be in the range to take Bush).
 
If it's one thing I've learned about the NFL over the years, it's that teams don't make a pratice of exposing their true plans before the draft, much less in November. Mort reports what he hears. It's that simple. I take a lot of his info at face value, but when it comes to the draft (& specifically, what players teams are really interested in), very little can be attributed to actual fact.

 
I don't think Carr or Davis are the problem.

It's that Horrid OL. You don't waste a #1 pick on a OL, so either they trade down for more picks, or take Reggie Bush.

Davis has shown the ability to get banged up, and I believe Carr COULD be a good QB if given a OL to protect him.

Add Bush, you have a dominate RB, who can catch passes(Davis hasn't shown a good ability in that) and then add a OL and a WR to compliament Andre Johnson and you have your self a good building block.
Agreed
 
If it's one thing I've learned about the NFL over the years, it's that teams don't make a pratice of exposing their true plans before the draft, much less in November. Mort reports what he hears. It's that simple. I take a lot of his info at face value, but when it comes to the draft (& specifically, what players teams are really interested in), very little can be attributed to actual fact.
I agree with this. No matter how the Texans are going to act, they need to make as much noise as possible about being interested in ALL the candidates to generate trade interest and will keep their own selection close to the vest. Assuming a trade doesn't go down early, I won't be surprised to see the Texans looking closely at Bush AND Lienert AND the top rated OT right up until draft time.For all we know, we may end up seeing a Chargers/Manning-esque type trade on draft day...

 
And if you are so giddy about Gado then the rest of your team was probably piss-poor and is out of the running. Kudos. :thumbup:
Wrong AGAIN.S Jax & Portis anchor the RB's of my team, which is currently tied for 1st in my Division.

Gado is depth and was a freebie off the Waiver Wire.....though no thanks to your piss-poor evaluation.

But I do have to give you Kudos Yao.

As I said, whatever advice you give, I do the exact opposite.

99.9% of the time it works out to be a great move. :thumbup:

Thanks man, keep up the good work. :lmao:
It must be a real challenge to stay in 1st place in a league where all your fellow owners passed or missed on Gado. :D

 
If it's one thing I've learned about the NFL over the years, it's that teams don't make a pratice of exposing their true plans before the draft, much less in November. Mort reports what he hears. It's that simple. I take a lot of his info at face value, but when it comes to the draft (& specifically, what players teams are really interested in), very little can be attributed to actual fact.
I agree with this. No matter how the Texans are going to act, they need to make as much noise as possible about being interested in ALL the candidates to generate trade interest and will keep their own selection close to the vest. Assuming a trade doesn't go down early, I won't be surprised to see the Texans looking closely at Bush AND Lienert AND the top rated OT right up until draft time.For all we know, we may end up seeing a Chargers/Manning-esque type trade on draft day...
If you are a Texans fan you hope the guys that are making this decision are not employeed by the club. If that is the case, then this is just ideal chatter and not even a smoke screen.
 
Wouldn't it all depend on whether or not Charley Casserley survives the end-of-year ourge?
If he survives then the Texans will get what they deserve. On team short on depth he has traded away 4 or 5 draft picks for Jason Babin and Phillip Buchanon.
 
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The Texans obviously have massive issues everywhere on their team, but if we're going to isolate the No. 1 pick (assuming they get it) down to Leinart and Bush and assuming both of these guys are the franchise players many scouts believe them to be, I don't know how the Texans can pass on Leinart. Watching Carr last night only drove the point home further how bad he is and how much he has regressed. I don't think he went through a single progression the entire game. He locks onto one receiver and that's who he throws to no matter what. Even when he had time to throw, he never went to a secondary receiver who may have been open; he just throws to one guy and that's it -- usually way off target.People are can debate the merits of Domanick Davis as an NFL RB until they're blue in the face, but he's a much better player at his position than Carr is at his. The Texans need a lot of things in order to just become respectable, but one of the primary issues of need is QB because Carr is terrible. In my opinion.

 
A few things to consider here is that everyone is probably a little high on Bush right now. Everyone in the world knows what the Texans' problems are, lets give the Texans the benefit of the doubt and ASSUME, at least for now, that they (THE TEXANS) know at least as much as the rest of us. But it would seem that if the Texans were crazy enough to waste a pick on Leinhardt or Bush then a winning season would not happen for a long time. After watching last nights game, and listen to all the talk about how everyone is getting tired of losing and the front office knows what their problems are. If they are silly enough to work bass akwards and draft the one position they are solid in then they deserve losing seasons for the next 5 years as well. But right now we are just talking about an early report from an unconfirmed source, and one that happened the day after the most monsterous game I have ever seen from a RB, Pro, college or even High school and a lot of this IMHO is just hype from that game. Right now ... I can't imagine that there is one team that wouldnt love to have Reggie Bush on their team right now, and if not to benefit their team, at least to keep him away from other teams. Time will tell ... if the Texans do end up with the # 1 or 2 pick, which is very likely, then they get and opportunity to be in a good situation to trade for multiple picks/players that can really help them out.

 
If the Texans take Bush w/the #1 pick they should be banned from the NFL.
In my mind Bush is clearly the best player in college football. Players like him don't come around to often.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that....Nothing against Bush. But if they don't focus HEAVILY on OL, they are Butch Davis-level stupid. I would either take Ferguson or if he's not touted as a #1 pick, maybe even trade down a little and take him (this assumes of course they can't land a big FA name). Skill players are NOT where they should be going. IMO Carr mostly has issues because he's knocked down 100 times/game and is lucky to have 2 seconds to throw the ball. Hell he's lucky he isn't off somewhere huddled in a corner babbling incoherently (ie acting like Theismann or Irvin).

Taking Leinert would be stupid. Ditto Bush, although they have bigger needs there (mostly due to DD's inablity to stay healthy). Build up that line.

 
A lot could change if/when Capers is gone. A change to a 4-3 or different offensive philosophy could effect that pick. But the texans have too many needs to keep a number 1 overall when you would expect that many teams would give Vick/Eli type offers to move up.

 
The Texans obviously have massive issues everywhere on their team, but if we're going to isolate the No. 1 pick (assuming they get it) down to Leinart and Bush and assuming both of these guys are the franchise players many scouts believe them to be, I don't know how the Texans can pass on Leinart. Watching Carr last night only drove the point home further how bad he is and how much he has regressed. I don't think he went through a single progression the entire game. He locks onto one receiver and that's who he throws to no matter what. Even when he had time to throw, he never went to a secondary receiver who may have been open; he just throws to one guy and that's it -- usually way off target.

People are can debate the merits of Domanick Davis as an NFL RB until they're blue in the face, but he's a much better player at his position than Carr is at his. The Texans need a lot of things in order to just become respectable, but one of the primary issues of need is QB because Carr is terrible. In my opinion.
:goodposting: I was in the "it's a bad o-line" camp until I watched that game last night. Carr sucks. Wouldn't matter how long he had to throw. It's clear that the coaching staff is not making him "better". So I think either he goes or the coaching staff goes. If you get rid of Capers, maybe you keep Carr assuming you hire a decent offensive mind as your new coach. Otherwise, try to get a QB like Leinart.

 
I'm VERY glad I didn't pay attention to your drivel on Gado, same as how I'm not putting a whole lot of credence in what you have to say now.

Pretty much whatever you say, I do the exact opposite.

It's worked out 99.9 % of the time. :lmao:
Perhaps you'd like to reconsider your misinformed, misguided pompous opinion, rookie.via rotoworld

Tony Fisher - RB - Packers

Tony Fisher could re-emerge as Green Bay's starting running back because of Sam Gado's fumbling problems.

The Green Bay Press-Gazette believes Gado will stay on the bench after dropping the ball again on Sunday. We're not so sure Mike Sherman won't give Gado another shot. Nov. 22 - 1:38 pm et

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette

Oh, and did you see Monday night's game? Gado looked like a pile of cow dung. 10 carries for 7 yards. :lmao:

 
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If the Texans take Bush w/the #1 pick they should be banned from the NFL.
In my mind Bush is clearly the best player in college football. Players like him don't come around to often. If I ran the Texans and I had the first pick I would take Bush.
I would also.Bush is the best pro prospect since Ricky Williams that I have seen play. He is like a man playing with boys.

 
If the Texans take Bush w/the #1 pick they should be banned from the NFL.
In my mind Bush is clearly the best player in college football. Players like him don't come around to often. If I ran the Texans and I had the first pick I would take Bush.
I would also.Bush is the best pro prospect since Ricky Williams that I have seen play. He is like a man playing with boys.
You missed Tomlinson and McGahee?I agree, he's an extremely good prospect, best IMO since McGahee, but with better receiving skills.

It will be very interesting to see if Bush, Leinart, or (if he declares) Vince Young is taken 1st.

 
Ideal scenario for the Texans, imho.Cut Carr rather than pay him the $8m bonus due at the end of this season. He's done nothing to warrant pouring that kind of money into him (again).Trade down from #1 to #2 to the Titans/Jets/Packers/etc. Trade down from #2 to another top 10 slot.Let other teams take Leinert/Bush.Load up on OL and D with the extra picks.Sign either 1) Brees, or 2) a stop gap veteran caretaker to play QB next year.Draft Vince Young with their top 10 pick next year. That guy is Doug Flutie in God's body and will ultimately be a very good NFL QB.They absolutely need to stop trading picks to acquire "talent" like P-Buc and Babin.Of course, this would require them to draft much better than they have in the past or it's all pointless.

 
Ideal scenario for the Texans, imho.

Cut Carr rather than pay him the $8m bonus due at the end of this season. He's done nothing to warrant pouring that kind of money into him (again).

Trade down from #1 to #2 to the Titans/Jets/Packers/etc.

Trade down from #2 to another top 10 slot.

Let other teams take Leinert/Bush.

Load up on OL and D with the extra picks.

Sign either 1) Brees, or 2) a stop gap veteran caretaker to play QB next year.

Draft Vince Young with their top 10 pick next year. That guy is Doug Flutie in God's body and will ultimately be a very good NFL QB.

They absolutely need to stop trading picks to acquire "talent" like P-Buc and Babin.

Of course, this would require them to draft much better than they have in the past or it's all pointless.
- Brees is staying in San Diego - they may be able to go after Philip Rivers....Vince Young could be a decent NFL QB, but lets not do injustice to Doug Flutie. Buchanon and Babin is proof upper personnel need to go. Their O line can decently run block - they just cannot pass block to save their lives.Carr may have been lost with their ineffective O line, but I think presently they need to build both lines this year and give Carr a shot, but not for the 8 million cap he is scheduled to take on. This team could use a D'Brickshaw with their first pick and focus on a rush end later as well in 2nd or third round.

 
Ideal scenario for the Texans, imho.Cut Carr rather than pay him the $8m bonus due at the end of this season. He's done nothing to warrant pouring that kind of money into him (again).
I completely disagree. There's something to be said for how he "holds himself" beating after beating. Sacks and sacks, losses and losses. If at this point, he complained and said they never get me a line, the O stinks or whatever....I'd probably excuse it and I usually hate when guys do that. He's got a good head, a good arm and ...I'd bet he'd get a top ten pick if they traded him.I would imagine what you want from Carr is asking too much without an OL.Now if you said, they don't know what he brings because he's never had time to throw but change for the sake of change....OK then, but I like the guy. As far as NFL players go, he's got some good character traits.
 
Vince is not an NFL QBThe big 12 is way down this year and making a decent QB look great. When Baylor has 2 conference wins...the conf is way down.UT is running a more spread style offense versus the more pro style that they ran the previous 2 years (when he was mediocre at best). Vince is another Kordell Stewart, a QB that will have to learn to be a WR

 
Ideal scenario for the Texans, imho.

Cut Carr rather than pay him the $8m bonus due at the end of this season. He's done nothing to warrant pouring that kind of money into him (again).
I completely disagree. There's something to be said for how he "holds himself" beating after beating. Sacks and sacks, losses and losses. If at this point, he complained and said they never get me a line, the O stinks or whatever....I'd probably excuse it and I usually hate when guys do that. He's got a good head, a good arm and ...I'd bet he'd get a top ten pick if they traded him.

I would imagine what you want from Carr is asking too much without an OL.

Now if you said, they don't know what he brings because he's never had time to throw but change for the sake of change....OK then, but I like the guy. As far as NFL players go, he's got some good character traits.
Don't get me wrong. Carr seems like a wonderful human being. He's a good character guy who doesn't cause problems in the locker room.That said, he just hasn't shown much as an NFL QB. He's been pressured a ton, but that's far from the whole story. He simply hasn't gotten any better since the Texans drafte him. He never looks off the safties. He doesn't step up in the pocket, instead he steps sideways into the oncoming DE/LB. He's got a strong arm but still has a tendency to throw sidearm.

The worst part is that he's (somewhat understandably) shellshocked. He's looking at the rush when he should be looking downfield. And he holds the ball and stares downfield when he should be getting rid of the ball.

It may not be his fault, but I think he's been ruined. A change of scenery may be the only way for him to ever reach his potential, assuming he has more than he's shown. Either way, I can't see him being successful in Houston.

If the best thing you can say about a QB is that he never complains...

 
I just laugh at how easily everyone gets on the hype wagon, already comparing Bush to Faulk, O.J. Simpson, Gayle Sayers (sp?). Let's wait and see how he handles getting tackled 25 times a game by pros, all while providing decent pass protection to warrant being an every down back week after week after season after season - all while racking up 2000 combined yds from scrimmage rushing and receiving before we start throwing out the ALL-PRO comparisons.

 
From Peter King, "I don't think Bush has the electrifying moves Sayers had. He's fast, though, and the best back to come out in a few years. He'll be great somewhere. If Houston gets the top pick, It'll be interesting to see how much the Texans can get in a trade for that pick. I'd deal it in a second if I could end up with three picks in the first 40." :goodposting:

 
The smart play for Houston, as already mentioned is to trade down, and then..to maybe trade down again. One of the other reasons they won't draft Bush or Leinart is that they would have to admit that they were wrong about Davis and Carr .... not going to happen (unless coach and GM are fired)

 
Disclaimer: Big UT and Texans fan::Vince will be great in the pros. If Culpepper, McNabb, and ABrooks can have success Vince will be fine. He just needs good tal receivers who can fight for the ball. Capers needs to go. He has taken this franchise as far as he can. McNair needs to realize this quick and start looking for someone better. Carr is scatter brained right now, the whole team seems to be quitting but I think you give him another year or two and you will see a capable QB. He has been playing with one WR the past few years and this year AJ has been hurt. The oline is garbage(V Riley at guard??) the playcalling has been awful all year. They are very limited as an offense. Get new coaches, grab Ferguson(it worked when the Rams grabbed Pace, Jags took Boselli) and see the franchise take a few steps forward.

 
Ideal scenario for the Texans, imho.

Cut Carr rather than pay him the $8m bonus due at the end of this season. He's done nothing to warrant pouring that kind of money into him (again).

Trade down from #1 to #2 to the Titans/Jets/Packers/etc.

Trade down from #2 to another top 10 slot.

Let other teams take Leinert/Bush.

Load up on OL and D with the extra picks.

Sign either 1) Brees, or 2) a stop gap veteran caretaker to play QB next year.

Draft Vince Young with their top 10 pick next year. That guy is Doug Flutie in God's body and will ultimately be a very good NFL QB.

They absolutely need to stop trading picks to acquire "talent" like P-Buc and Babin.

Of course, this would require them to draft much better than they have in the past or it's all pointless.
I think it time for the Texans to stop screwing around with stupid trades and take a franchise QB – Lienart. Last year they traded down and took an overrated Travis Johnson. They could have taken OT Jamaal Brown, Derrick Johnson or OT Alex Barron. In 2004, they gave up a boatload of picks to trade up to take Jason Babin. He has been a major disappointment.

 
Vince is not an NFL QB
Not even close.Disclaimer: Huge UT Fan...
:goodposting: VY is vick with size. He needs to continue developing as a passer, but has already made huge strides in the last year. If that continues, the sky is the limit.
:confused: One says VY isn't even close to being an NFL QB, then you say good posting, he's Vick with size? Maybe I'm reading the "not even close" comment wrong?

Anyway, Vince Young is very similar to Daunte Culpepper. He will be a very good QB in the NFL. If you want the next QB turned WR in the NFL, look north to Mizzou.

 
Next April's draft is going to be VERY interesting. Almost everyone's talking about Bush having to be the #1 overall pick. However, I think a team would be crazy not to trade down and then look at a player like Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander (?), Chester Taylor or maybe Jamal Lewis, Ahman Green, Kevan Barlow (?) or Najeh Davenport. Obviously James and Alexander have more value than Taylor/Lewis/Green/Barlow/Davenport, at least in my opinion. However, there are a LOT of solid RB names and potential salary cap casualties on the market besides Bush and Maroney next spring.I'd love to see an article or analysis on all the RFA/UFA running backs in the NFL next spring...along with all of the current depth charts at RB and projected cap space for the 32 NFL squads. If I wasn't so darned busy with work, I'd have already put that together! As it is, I'll have to hope someone else out there is willing/able to do it for the FBGs brethren.... :football:

 
If the Texans take Bush w/the #1 pick they should be banned from the NFL.
In my mind Bush is clearly the best player in college football. Players like him don't come around to often. If I ran the Texans and I had the first pick I would take Bush.
I would also.Bush is the best pro prospect since Ricky Williams that I have seen play. He is like a man playing with boys.
You missed Tomlinson and McGahee?I agree, he's an extremely good prospect, best IMO since McGahee, but with better receiving skills.

It will be very interesting to see if Bush, Leinart, or (if he declares) Vince Young is taken 1st.
McGahee broke his leg so I did't see him as the greatest pro prospect.LT I really didn't watch that much.

I watched Ricky a lot.

 
The Texans need a line and a QB. Even when the line gets fixed Im not sold on Carr. He'll never be a franchise QB and the Texans wont win with him.

 

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