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It's equally unethical to collusion. Two are you are agreeing to fix the results of a game. Just because you both gain by doing so doesn't change you're breaking the commonly understood spirit of the game that games actually should be played against each other and not cooperatively.If you thought it was ethical you wouldn't be here asking if you should do it. So why not just do the right thing?
In the league I Commish I would boot both of you in an instant ....... if there is no violation of the rules by not submitting lineups that too is a sign of a #### league IMO
Tell that to Team A. You are colluding (which does not necessarily have to be a secret agreement) to keep him out of the playoffs.
So if 2 other teams in your league openly had discussions to:1. Draft 2 teams 2. Trade to create one powerhouse team 3. Split the winnings You would be ok with that?People spend too much time looking up the dictionary definition of words and too little time determining if they are doing the right thing.If the OP was in my league and did this I would not play another year with them. I would petition to have them kicked out immeditately regardless of their league standings. That is not the kind of league I want to be in. If you want your league to be like that then knock yourself out. I expect you will be back here next year posting about some transaction 2 other teams did that you think should be overturned.OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
So, if I trade a QB to someone, and that QB ends up knocking another team out of the playoffs, that would be considered collusion??
That's different because one team would benefit at the other's expense. In the OP's scenario, both teams benefit equally.So if 2 other teams in your league openly had discussions to:1. Draft 2 teams 2. Trade to create one powerhouse team 3. Split the winnings You would be ok with that?OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
The central question at hand isn't whether both teams benefit or not, or whether it is secret or not. The question is whether it is ethical for two teams to agree to not compete against each other in their game.Judging by how many people have indicated they think it is unethical or that someone who does it should be kicked out, it should pretty obvious that one shouldn't expect an average collection of owners to be happy with it. If the OP plays in a league where everyone is great with it and anything at all goes, then fine, do it. But I think anyone beyond the age of 6 would understand many people would view it as outright cheating and wouldn't stand for it. As I imagine the OP knows or he wouldn't have thought it was questionable enough to be worth posting to ask about.That's different because one team would benefit at the other's expense. In the OP's scenario, both teams benefit equally.So if 2 other teams in your league openly had discussions to:1. Draft 2 teams 2. Trade to create one powerhouse team 3. Split the winnings You would be ok with that?OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
Not enough data to make a judgment.
If the other league members already knew, then why is he posting on this message board? Until he tells the league - it is collusion!OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
Any shark league and the trade deadline has already passed.
Wrong, both teams are splitting the winnings and benefiting equally. In the OP, the poster benefits more than their conspirator. They are guaranteed a playoff spot while the other team has to hope for team A to lose. That is the unequal benefit. I guess the main difference is that the OP is only conspiring against one team, not the entire league.Either way, I would not play in a league with owners like this.That's different because one team would benefit at the other's expense. In the OP's scenario, both teams benefit equally.So if 2 other teams in your league openly had discussions to:1. Draft 2 teams 2. Trade to create one powerhouse team 3. Split the winnings You would be ok with that?OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
Okay, take this scenario:I'm on the playoff bubble, along with Team X. My quarterbacks are Brees and Warner, and I only start 1 every week. Team X has 2 upcoming games against Team Y.
You're confusing "team" with "owner".In your scenario, the owners may benefit equally, but the teams would not.Wrong, both teams are splitting the winnings and benefiting equally.That's different because one team would benefit at the other's expense. In the OP's scenario, both teams benefit equally.So if 2 other teams in your league openly had discussions to:1. Draft 2 teamsOP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?Straight from the dictionary.
Collusion –noun
1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.
2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
2. Trade to create one powerhouse team
3. Split the winnings
You would be ok with that?
By the exact definition of collusion from the dictionary it isn't collusion.But the more general way that people in FF use collusion which includes unethical actions that may not be secret, it is collusion.
In this scenario both teams still have a chance to win depending on performance, the OP's situation removes all chance, it's like playing monopoly without dice, you know where everyone will land every time, it's just not fun, nor the way the game is meant to be played.
Why would he want to leave his playoff chances in some one else's hands? A win and he gets in, yet he wants to rely on Team A losing. Sounds like a loser to me.
What definition of collusion are you using? First off, you are both tanking, unmistakably. Also, I've actually not heard of collusion that was not mutually beneficial in some way. The benefit may not be in FF terms, but getting a share of championship money or future considerations is a benefit to the team getting shorted from a purely FF perspective.
This is the part thats a problem.
Until Connor Barth beats you, 5-0haha
Where did I say that I believed the trade was "to my roster's detriment"?
I was thinking along this line too. If I was in their league and playing Team A this week I would "accidently" forget to submit a lineup (you know, thanksgiving and all) thereby quaranteeing Team A a victory and a playoff spot. Since I wouldn't tell Team A, then according to you there is no collusion is there?OP please post a link to your league so that we can all watch.PS Don't tell your parents about this because they'll no doubt take away your computer privileges.
You said the sole reason you are making the trade is to aid Team Y. If the trade was to your roster's benefit, then tampering with another team's game wouldn't be the sole reason, you'd also be doing it to help your roster. If it isn't a benefit, then it must be a detriment or a wash, either one of which would make it an unethical act.
Just admit that you were wrong. Thanks.
Way to avoid the part that actually matters.either one of which would make it an unethical act
You believe that it's unethical to make a trade that doesn't improve your starting lineup? You seriously believe that? Or are you just going to great lengths to try to prove a point?
Forget it, I'm done. Or not quite, I'm getting on my soapbox and then I'm done.This is always how these threads go. Someone knows something is viewed as unethical, and comes posting hoping everyone will tell him it's ok to do. Then he gets a slew of responses that it isn't ok, and that people would kick someone who does that out of their league.
It's not exactly the same, but the Colts did tank in their final game last year. It helped them by resting starters, and it helped the Titans by GIVING them (yes, giving them) the final playoff spot in the AFC. So, this actually does happen in the NFL.
Coach Belicheck is that you?
Translation: "After some discussions, I'm just not sure if Scooter has such low ethics that he'll collude with me. So, I'll change tactics and try to guilt him into colluding with me as if its the only honorably path, while making everything public so that people don't think I'm doing something bannishably unethical, such as secretly pulling this crap."
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