benson_will_lead_the_way
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im biased, i know him. But I think he has makes an NFL roster
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Intriguing Sleeper Rookie RB's (1 Viewer)
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Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Never thought I'd see the day that Utah State would have 2 highly rated running backs (Turbin and Smith). Ultimate thunder and lightning combo.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I like Turbin, every other player mentioned here will be working McDonalds drive through by 2013 training camp.
loose circuits
Footballguy
you are like the person that shows up at the same restaurant weekly, but complains about the food...if this thread is so worthless, just stay away
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
at least he bumps it for you.
While the odds say he's probably close to being right - these guys are certainly worth discussing. The more info the better.
couchpotatoe
Footballguy
Im kind of intrigued with Joe Martinek RB Rutgers.
He had a great pro day.
5'11 224 and ran a 4.4 40.
maybe another RB out of Rutgers?
He had a great pro day.
5'11 224 and ran a 4.4 40.
maybe another RB out of Rutgers?
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
You know, 4.4 at a pro day is not great when everyone is doing it.I'll get excited when someone runs in the 4.3s....maybe...but beyond that it's "meh"4.4 at pro day = 4.6 at combine. It's fast but not electric.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd say there's a decent chance he could at least get signed as an UDFA by Tampa Bay for obvious reasons.'couchpotatoe said:
loose circuits
Footballguy
Richardson from Abilene Christian had a very good pro day today
zadok
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Footballguy
InsaneThe only guys I would take before him are Richardson and Martin.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I wouldn't go that far as to put him behind Richardson and Martin. But I think Gray is a Demarco Murray type that could produce greatly above his ADP.Insane
More like Brian Leonard 0.5
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Bernard Scott's cousin, saw him at Players All Star Classic in Little Rock back in January. Didn't flash quite as much as Michael Smith did, but still looked explosive. Speed is legit.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I've always appreciated Gray's natural instincts for the game and for running the ball. Very smooth cutter, not an ankle breaker but slippery. however, I think at times he can be too patient, wait too long for a hole that's supposed to be there but doesn't open up. natural talent and receiving ability has me watching his pro potential.
Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Footballguy
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Not busting your balls, but based on his response to your statement, then I would think you would have a better response than that if those statistics are correct.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
sorry for disappointing you. He bolded "field level against better talent" (where I was talking about the Shrine Game - NOT the games listed) and I responded. At the Shrine Game he might have been the worst back on the roster. I'm telling you my observations from film study and watching him at field level during the week of practices at the Shrine Game. Stats are deceptive, but film doesn't lie.
I'll show you stats from Troy Davis at Iowa State (back to back 2,000-yd rusher) that will make your head spin. Could he play at the pro level??? No. From my observations Rainey doesn't have what it takes (see earlier posts for reasons why).
I saw better backs (Richardson, Smith) at the Players All Star Classic, which is considered a 3rd tier All Star Game (Shrine is 2nd, Senior is 1st). Bottom line, I've seen enough from Bobby Rainey and I'm not certain he'll get drafted or even make a roster. Being a successful RB is more than stats or speed. It's FOOTWORK (first and foremost), instincts, patience, vision, and initial burst. As I said earlier, Rainey dances too much for my liking, runs into the back of his blockers (mis-times when the hole is going to be there), bounces too many runs outside (won't work as well in the pros), and has to throttle down when he changes direction. Plus, I've seen too many times where he'll make one of his awkward cuts and almost lose his footing just to continue the run (a little Knowshon Moreno there).
just my
Xue
Footballguy
I think you have the wrong Gray. I'd rather have (a healthy) Jonas Gray.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I wasn't at the Shrine, but here's some of his highlights.sorry for disappointing you. He bolded "field level against better talent" (where I was talking about the Shrine Game - NOT the games listed) and I responded. At the Shrine Game he might have been the worst back on the roster. I'm telling you my observations from film study and watching him at field level during the week of practices at the Shrine Game. Stats are deceptive, but film doesn't lie.
I'll show you stats from Troy Davis at Iowa State (back to back 2,000-yd rusher) that will make your head spin. Could he play at the pro level??? No. From my observations Rainey doesn't have what it takes (see earlier posts for reasons why).
I saw better backs (Richardson, Smith) at the Players All Star Classic, which is considered a 3rd tier All Star Game (Shrine is 2nd, Senior is 1st). Bottom line, I've seen enough from Bobby Rainey and I'm not certain he'll get drafted or even make a roster. Being a successful RB is more than stats or speed. It's FOOTWORK (first and foremost), instincts, patience, vision, and initial burst. As I said earlier, Rainey dances too much for my liking, runs into the back of his blockers (mis-times when the hole is going to be there), bounces too many runs outside (won't work as well in the pros), and has to throttle down when he changes direction. Plus, I've seen too many times where he'll make one of his awkward cuts and almost lose his footing just to continue the run (a little Knowshon Moreno there).
just my
He looks okay to me against good competition.
Indiana? Kentucky? In those clips, they're still running the ball when down by 3 or 4 TDs in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Who knows what string defense is in the game by then.I wasn't at the Shrine, but here's some of his highlights.sorry for disappointing you. He bolded "field level against better talent" (where I was talking about the Shrine Game - NOT the games listed) and I responded. At the Shrine Game he might have been the worst back on the roster. I'm telling you my observations from film study and watching him at field level during the week of practices at the Shrine Game. Stats are deceptive, but film doesn't lie.
I'll show you stats from Troy Davis at Iowa State (back to back 2,000-yd rusher) that will make your head spin. Could he play at the pro level??? No. From my observations Rainey doesn't have what it takes (see earlier posts for reasons why).
I saw better backs (Richardson, Smith) at the Players All Star Classic, which is considered a 3rd tier All Star Game (Shrine is 2nd, Senior is 1st). Bottom line, I've seen enough from Bobby Rainey and I'm not certain he'll get drafted or even make a roster. Being a successful RB is more than stats or speed. It's FOOTWORK (first and foremost), instincts, patience, vision, and initial burst. As I said earlier, Rainey dances too much for my liking, runs into the back of his blockers (mis-times when the hole is going to be there), bounces too many runs outside (won't work as well in the pros), and has to throttle down when he changes direction. Plus, I've seen too many times where he'll make one of his awkward cuts and almost lose his footing just to continue the run (a little Knowshon Moreno there).
just my
gandalas
Footballguy
When 1-11 Indiana and 5-7 Kentucky are considered "Good Competition", then you know you have problems. Kentucky for one was listed above 3 times as evidence of games against good teams. When was the last time Kentucky was decent?'Hoosier16 said:I wasn't at the Shrine, but here's some of his highlights.'benson_will_lead_the_way said:sorry for disappointing you. He bolded "field level against better talent" (where I was talking about the Shrine Game - NOT the games listed) and I responded. At the Shrine Game he might have been the worst back on the roster. I'm telling you my observations from film study and watching him at field level during the week of practices at the Shrine Game. Stats are deceptive, but film doesn't lie.
I'll show you stats from Troy Davis at Iowa State (back to back 2,000-yd rusher) that will make your head spin. Could he play at the pro level??? No. From my observations Rainey doesn't have what it takes (see earlier posts for reasons why).
I saw better backs (Richardson, Smith) at the Players All Star Classic, which is considered a 3rd tier All Star Game (Shrine is 2nd, Senior is 1st). Bottom line, I've seen enough from Bobby Rainey and I'm not certain he'll get drafted or even make a roster. Being a successful RB is more than stats or speed. It's FOOTWORK (first and foremost), instincts, patience, vision, and initial burst. As I said earlier, Rainey dances too much for my liking, runs into the back of his blockers (mis-times when the hole is going to be there), bounces too many runs outside (won't work as well in the pros), and has to throttle down when he changes direction. Plus, I've seen too many times where he'll make one of his awkward cuts and almost lose his footing just to continue the run (a little Knowshon Moreno there).
just my
As much as I like IU, the chant of "Wait until basketball season!" usually starts around September 15 th.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
LOL, I gave up on Hoosiers football when Vaughn Dunbar let me down...however, I still have his first preseason game (1992 v CHI) on tape.
Oh what might have been!benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
When they land better recruits year in and year out vs WKU. That's the impressive part...not the wins and losses of each team. Don't forget that WKU just got done transitioning from FCS to FBS...so the program is still developing.I wasn't at the Shrine, but here's some of his highlights.'Hoosier16 said:sorry for disappointing you. He bolded "field level against better talent" (where I was talking about the Shrine Game - NOT the games listed) and I responded. At the Shrine Game he might have been the worst back on the roster. I'm telling you my observations from film study and watching him at field level during the week of practices at the Shrine Game. Stats are deceptive, but film doesn't lie.'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
I'll show you stats from Troy Davis at Iowa State (back to back 2,000-yd rusher) that will make your head spin. Could he play at the pro level??? No. From my observations Rainey doesn't have what it takes (see earlier posts for reasons why).
I saw better backs (Richardson, Smith) at the Players All Star Classic, which is considered a 3rd tier All Star Game (Shrine is 2nd, Senior is 1st). Bottom line, I've seen enough from Bobby Rainey and I'm not certain he'll get drafted or even make a roster. Being a successful RB is more than stats or speed. It's FOOTWORK (first and foremost), instincts, patience, vision, and initial burst. As I said earlier, Rainey dances too much for my liking, runs into the back of his blockers (mis-times when the hole is going to be there), bounces too many runs outside (won't work as well in the pros), and has to throttle down when he changes direction. Plus, I've seen too many times where he'll make one of his awkward cuts and almost lose his footing just to continue the run (a little Knowshon Moreno there).
just my
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Please tell me you were excited with Randle El though. He was an exciting talent at IU. QB/returner/WR.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
But of course!NOW, back on track....
just finished my latest ESPN Denver blog (will post soon) http://denverssportsstation.com/cecillammey -- it's called "Fab 5, my 5 favorite RBs in the 2012 NFL Draft"
I also list an honorable mention with 3 RBs: Michael Smith, Daryl Richardson, & Jewel Hampton.
I remember watching Hampton early in his career at Iowa. He caught my eye with change of direction skills and acceleration. On twitter I called him most likely to be Arian Foster (UDFA to 1,000-yd rusher)
however, knee injuries have created big red flags for his draft stock. Love the natural ability just concerned he'll be unable to stay healthy.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I only got the fab 5 QB's when I looked. Like the Jewel Hampton call
Xue
Footballguy
If anyone is looking for a Darren Sproles-type, it's Adonis Thomas, Toledo. NOT LaMichael James.
http://s15.postimage.org/hnlw56iw9/Adonis_Thomas_Juke_NIU.gif
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Kleck
Footballguy
I like him too as a sleeper, and have been grabbing him with my final rookie pick in every draft. He's not great at anything, but his overall game is pretty decent. I also think he's a good fit for Cincy.
mjr
Footballguy
I know second year guys aren't part of the topic, but a couple of exceptions should be made. One guy who intrigues me, but spent his rookie season on IR, is Mario Fannen in Denver. He's going to be taking the field for the first time just like all the other rooks, so why not include him?
5'11' 224lbs. and fast. Ran a sub 4.40 at the combine (4.37 or 4.38 I believe). Plays like a WR with elite speed who can stretch a defense running deep routes. Good runner who can break tackles too.
He was an UDFA due to injury concerns, but was otherwise considered by many as a top 25 RB talent in last years class. Dislocated shoulder in 2007 or 2008 and a foot injury in 2009. Was on IR last year for a foot injury as well. But he's healthy again and still has his speed. Frank Gore had 2 shoulder surguries and possibly a foot problem if I remember right prior to entering the NFL, so a guy with injury concerns is always worth at least some consideration.
Other downfalls are that he was never a feature back, so it is unknown if he could carry the load, but most agree that he plays as if he could. Scouts say he runs too high, which may be the reason for his injuries (and possibly why he never had a chance to be a 3 down type as well), but this is something that can be coached. Also hard to run a sub 4.40 with your pads down.
He's probably not going to be the next Murray or Foster, but he can emerge as a Sproles type. With Peyton chucking the rock in Denver now, this kid might put up quite a few highlight reel plays this year. Worth a stash in deeper PPR and dynasty leagues I think.
5'11' 224lbs. and fast. Ran a sub 4.40 at the combine (4.37 or 4.38 I believe). Plays like a WR with elite speed who can stretch a defense running deep routes. Good runner who can break tackles too.
He was an UDFA due to injury concerns, but was otherwise considered by many as a top 25 RB talent in last years class. Dislocated shoulder in 2007 or 2008 and a foot injury in 2009. Was on IR last year for a foot injury as well. But he's healthy again and still has his speed. Frank Gore had 2 shoulder surguries and possibly a foot problem if I remember right prior to entering the NFL, so a guy with injury concerns is always worth at least some consideration.
Other downfalls are that he was never a feature back, so it is unknown if he could carry the load, but most agree that he plays as if he could. Scouts say he runs too high, which may be the reason for his injuries (and possibly why he never had a chance to be a 3 down type as well), but this is something that can be coached. Also hard to run a sub 4.40 with your pads down.
He's probably not going to be the next Murray or Foster, but he can emerge as a Sproles type. With Peyton chucking the rock in Denver now, this kid might put up quite a few highlight reel plays this year. Worth a stash in deeper PPR and dynasty leagues I think.
saintfool
Dead sexy
the drafting of hillman tempers my enthusiasm for the guy. he might have had a great camp last year but his window of opportunity might have passed.
mjr
Footballguy
Don't know if I would agree with his opportunity passing, but Hillman will make it harder I can agree with. Fannen has such a unique skill set though that I think they'll find a way to work him in regardless. We'll see. Think the biggest challenge for him is staying healthy. If he gets hurt again this year, he may never see another NFL paycheck again. Talent is there though.
Shutout
Footballguy
I am certain you will get a couple of positive responses to your post and I know there were a lot of people around here that were really buying in last year until he got hurt.It was sound like lunacy but I think he will be hindered because they drafted Hillman, they will work Mcgahee until he shows he can't go and Moreno (enter the lunacy part), I believe, is IDEAL for working with Manning in the screen game. Forget Moreno as a between the tackles runner but him working screens with Manning, I believe it is a great match for what Moreno actually can do very well.Now, I'm not sayingt that gives Moreno fantasy value but it wouldn't surprise me and I'd say there will be a game here or there this year where you will see that quirky statline of 7 catches for 83 yards and a TD.For Mario, I think he gets caught in that dead space between all these guys.
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Shutout
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yes, that has always been his thing from everything I've seen and I don't know if that is "fixable". BUT, when you talk about this guy, he does have this ability to kind of see where everyone is going to be 2 seconds from now. He ALWAYS seems to shift or move to the spot the defender is moving out of, using their momentum against them. It seems like guys are always reaching to tackle him nstead of being able to square up on him. With Gray's size, that works to his advantage and probably prevents a lot of nasty hits.So, I think he has a chance to make some noise with KC fairly soon. I would love to see a two RB backfield with him and Charles where either or both have a receiving assignment. I think that could wreck havoc on some defenses, especially the ones that like to rush, like Sand Diego and Denver. They could burn them on those slip-outs with those guys all day long.I've always appreciated Gray's natural instincts for the game and for running the ball. Very smooth cutter, not an ankle breaker but slippery. however, I think at times he can be too patient, wait too long for a hole that's supposed to be there but doesn't open up. natural talent and receiving ability has me watching his pro potential.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
The Broncos drafted Hillman to replace McGahee as the lead back. Perhaps he'll take over as the "starter" by about week 5 (if he doesn't win the job in camp). Regardless, this is going to be a RBBC with McGahee providing the short-yardage and goalline help. I could see a day in the future (2013?) where Hillman is the lead back with Fannin working in the new McGahee role. Fannin looked great in camp last year, and I can't wait to see training camp this year. Going to rookie minicamp tomorrow, but we don't get to see much (about 20 minutes of warmups/practice).
mjr
Footballguy
How did the rookie minicamp visit go?
loose circuits
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Cecil Lammey
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Great! I'm writing up my thoughts for my next blog post here: http://denverssportsstation.com/cecillammeySaw more from Osweiler and the WRs than the RBs. Talked to Hillman after day 1 and he's a great interview. Also asked John Fox directly how good Hillman could be in his system. Denver was ECSTATIC to get this kid, and I can't wait to see him in training camp.
EBF
Footballguy
Brown was overrated all along and never worthy of the ridiculous hype he got out of high school. Worth a punt as a late round flyer, but Richardson he ain't.
As far as sleeper RBs go, I like Edwin Baker in San Diego. Mathews is a constant durability risk, so there could be some redraft value.
As far as sleeper RBs go, I like Edwin Baker in San Diego. Mathews is a constant durability risk, so there could be some redraft value.
loose circuits
Footballguy
In one ofnmy leagues we had our 1ST waiver run after a shallow 4 round draft. I ended up spending money half my yearly budget; mainly to pick up these guys:
Cyrus Gray: caught 100 balls in college and has some talent. Never know how knee injuries will turn oh with Charles while Hillis is on a 1 year deal. He could produce some solid stats as early as next season. Worth a fliers IMO
Brandon Bolden: to me he is a more talented version of BGE who was successful in the Patriots system. With no clear guy the job is up for grabs
Terrence Ganaway: Jets RB is also in flux. Ganaway moves better than people give him credit for and runs with power. Very productive season last year
Dan HERRON: Bengals also don't have clear starter and a former Bengal rb guaranteed him as the starter. His style fits their system
Cyrus Gray: caught 100 balls in college and has some talent. Never know how knee injuries will turn oh with Charles while Hillis is on a 1 year deal. He could produce some solid stats as early as next season. Worth a fliers IMO
Brandon Bolden: to me he is a more talented version of BGE who was successful in the Patriots system. With no clear guy the job is up for grabs
Terrence Ganaway: Jets RB is also in flux. Ganaway moves better than people give him credit for and runs with power. Very productive season last year
Dan HERRON: Bengals also don't have clear starter and a former Bengal rb guaranteed him as the starter. His style fits their system
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identikit
Footballguy
Wrong Herron.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Good catch I meant Dan aka "BOOM"
loose circuits
Footballguy
loose circuits
Footballguy
great article on Cyrus Gray. He has some solid potential as Charles' back-up 2013. With both Hillis' and Charles' coming off injury his value could come sooner than that, we'll have to wait and see. Sounds like a good guy...
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/13/3608715/chiefs-rookie-runs-cy-fi-monicker.html
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/13/3608715/chiefs-rookie-runs-cy-fi-monicker.html
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