TheIronSheik
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Those strikes weren't "pinpoint." Those facilities are HUGE. And as long as they can hit it, that's a good strike. There's a difference between hitting a target and pinpoint ability.
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TheIronSheik
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And just to add a little more detail to what I'm saying:
You can't fire those missiles and not know for sure you're going to hit a specific spot. I don't know how ballistic missiles work, but they are not laser guided like the bomb videos we see blowing up a bridge or a small building. Like I said, I'm not sure if the US even could shoot ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy.
You can't fire those missiles and not know for sure you're going to hit a specific spot. I don't know how ballistic missiles work, but they are not laser guided like the bomb videos we see blowing up a bridge or a small building. Like I said, I'm not sure if the US even could shoot ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy.
TheIronSheik
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Here's what it says about them. It sounds like math, so I'll leave it to others to interpret.
Accuracy
The accuracy of a missile is quantified with a measure called Circular Error Probable (CEP), which is defined as the radius of a circle that half of a large number identical missiles operating without malfunction would land within. CEP reflects the median rather than the mean, which means that it does not make any statements about how far outside the radius half of the missiles will land. Expected miss distance in practice is often elongated in the in the downrange direction, producing an elliptical rather than circular error pattern.
Accuracy
The accuracy of a missile is quantified with a measure called Circular Error Probable (CEP), which is defined as the radius of a circle that half of a large number identical missiles operating without malfunction would land within. CEP reflects the median rather than the mean, which means that it does not make any statements about how far outside the radius half of the missiles will land. Expected miss distance in practice is often elongated in the in the downrange direction, producing an elliptical rather than circular error pattern.
E-Z Glider
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Just wanted to say I've actually enjoyed reading this thread and the info provided.
Back in the day, I wouldn't have even bothered clicking/reading it. DallasDMac
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TheIronSheik
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Just wanted to say I've actually enjoyed reading this thread and the info provided.
culdeus
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This is somewhat misleading. A stealth aircraft can pop up out of nowhere. If I was a SA-15 battery I would be looking for exactly that within that timeframe.belljr said:
What I think is obviously correct is they shouldn't have cleared that flight to takeoff without full communication with the military.
culdeus
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Someone used space x as an example today. Not sure if that makes sense in this context.
TheIronSheik
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Exactly. A stealth bomber is stealth until the bomb doors open. That's when it's at its most vulnerable.
TheIronSheik
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Also, after looking into it, the Saudi refineries were hit with cruise missiles, not ballistic missiles.
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DocHolliday
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belljr
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That's twice he quoted me and made a completely made up statement...
I'm just confused
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DallasDMac
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True. But they wouldn't have been flying that low or that slow. I drone might be that slow, but even that would have likely been higher.
East Coast Bias
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So now they are admitting they shot it down.
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culdeus
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The whole chain of events is really odd.
Trump kills a guy who was nearly certainly not planning the embassy stuff, and whether he is really a "terrorist" or not is actually somewhat debatable. Let's say for a moment he's a terrorist by some definition, guy seemed to be on a front door diplomatic mission to help manage the current embassy crisis and deliver/receive how to de-escalate things. Even if the guy was a terrorist in the past, there's been no evidence presented to say he was actively planning anything.
So we do that and Iran lawn darts some scuds in the bushes. Neat.
4 hours later a dip#### SAM15 battery with an itchy trigger finger, downrange of a passenger runway lights up a 787 with their own citizens on it. (among others)
Now their country is starting to have protests build around their OWN actions. What a crazy story.
Gotta feel they don't light up that 787 this would be completely out of the news by now.
Trump kills a guy who was nearly certainly not planning the embassy stuff, and whether he is really a "terrorist" or not is actually somewhat debatable. Let's say for a moment he's a terrorist by some definition, guy seemed to be on a front door diplomatic mission to help manage the current embassy crisis and deliver/receive how to de-escalate things. Even if the guy was a terrorist in the past, there's been no evidence presented to say he was actively planning anything.
So we do that and Iran lawn darts some scuds in the bushes. Neat.
4 hours later a dip#### SAM15 battery with an itchy trigger finger, downrange of a passenger runway lights up a 787 with their own citizens on it. (among others)
Now their country is starting to have protests build around their OWN actions. What a crazy story.
Gotta feel they don't light up that 787 this would be completely out of the news by now.
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culdeus
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I don't really see what Russia's angle would be here, but I could maybe see them wanting some unrest. Hard to see how they could have seen that playing out enough to get someone in their AAA batteries.Has anyone gonewith this yet?
TheIronSheik
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Wait. I thought you were being sarcastic at first. Are you actually saying you don't know if that Iranian general was a terrorist or not?
culdeus
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I mean that seems to be up for debate. It is going to depend at least in part on what your definition of a terrorist is.
It seems to be a slippery slope and defined as someone that is not Saudi that does stuff we don't like.
Seems like he was mainly a back channel to get Russian arms to Assad, and this constitutes I suppose terrorism if you come down on the non-Assad side. I mean ISIS hated the guy. So what group was he with that was so bad?
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Doug B
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I know the bolded refers to out of the news for Iranians. It's interesting to me, in contrast, that for a lot of non-political Americans ... this Iran stuff is pretty much already out of the news. College football championship game tonight!
culdeus
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I mean educate me, what's this guy's rap sheet? I can't say I follow this stuff nearly as much as I used to.
Doug B
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Can't explain this without getting political. Might be a good thing to ask in the Political Forum: "Was Soleimani fairly deemed a 'terrorist'?"
TheIronSheik
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The news shows what it wants. Think about all the HK protests we heard about. That never got knocked out of the news.
Iranians screaming "Death to the Dictator!" and making sure not to walk on the Jewish and American flags painted on the ground is huge news. There's no way it should not be headline news. But then you ask yourself, why isn't it?
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Well, for starters, he's a... sorry. He was a general in Iran's army. A country that openly sponsors outside terrorists and has said they want to exterminate the Jews. He was pretty much the head guy for commanding Hezbollah, which has killed thousand of people in Lebanon and Syria.
I mean, I'll let you go ahead and read up on him and make your own judgment, but I'm guessing, that there's a pretty good consensus around the world that this guy was one of the worst people alive.
Doug B
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Link to an op-ed published by the New York Times, written by Republican senator Tom Cotton. Evaluation of the claims therein are an exercise for the reader.
EDIT: I thought this was an interesting link, too ... though, again, a conservative source (WSJ) - "Soleimani’s Latin America Terror."
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TheIronSheik
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I forgot to mention, when Iran finally admitted they shot down the airliner, they put out a tweet to announce it. And after it explained that it was an accident and a tragedy, they used a broken heart emoji.
I don't know if that's funny or crazy or both. We are at the stage in our civilization that when a terrorist country does something that kills innocent victims, they tweet out an apology and it has emojis in it. That's mind bottling.
I don't know if that's funny or crazy or both. We are at the stage in our civilization that when a terrorist country does something that kills innocent victims, they tweet out an apology and it has emojis in it. That's mind bottling.
tommyboy
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Earlier, the head of Iran's aviation Dept said Ukraine owes them money for damaging Iranian territory. True story
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DallasDMac
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I just saw that and was just stunned. I NEVER, EVER thought I would see that in my lifetime.
TheIronSheik
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I see Iran is saying that the people responsible for shooting down the airliner will be punished. I'm guessing that means they will take some low level private and have him executed. Or maybe just some street urchin that they'll dress up in fatigues and murder.
beer 30
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Any revolt against the ruling power is going to get crushed. Don't kid yourself into thinking a couple thousand protesters are going to overthrow a regime that's ruled with a heavy hand since 1979.tommyboy said:
Much like the 5 the Saudi's being executing for the Khashoggi murder, Iran will pony up the anti-aircraft battery for trial, probably execute them since the people are protesting and move on.
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Just move them to that Va. jail that Epstein was in...
DallasDMac
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New videos show not one, but two missiles fired 30 seconds a apart and scoring hits.
Brunell4MVP
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I've said it before it the politics thread...
Iranians do not like their government. They do not hate the US. And judging by comments of the 3 neighbors around me, Iran had become a more and more miserable place for their relatives. Women who were once among the most educated and fashionable in Mulsim countries are held back for the most part. The citizens are just scared to fight back against a totalitarian regime. The Ayatollah has so much power, and he wields it through whatever government exists and through the "media". The only way for him to keep his status is the same as since 1979 - blame the US. Now the US makes plenty of mistakes in the Middle East, but the killing of Suleimani is not one of them. This guy was a 100% threat to everyone for decades, as Iran's government ran state sponsored backing of the worst types of people to ensure their ability to undermine any western power. And Russia for much of thos 40 years has been right their with them.
Sometimes a citizenship needs help to get to the point they are willing to revolt. France helped the US in the late 1700s. We wouldn't be what we are without them. Maybe it was selfish reason, as might be the US reasons in this event, but the overall impact is a nation changed for the better.
Iran has much potential to be a wonderful nation. We can't build it. But if their people are willing to establish a constitution where the Islamic leader does not have full power, things could easily change and make it better. Hopefully their people press forward with more than just protests.
Iranians do not like their government. They do not hate the US. And judging by comments of the 3 neighbors around me, Iran had become a more and more miserable place for their relatives. Women who were once among the most educated and fashionable in Mulsim countries are held back for the most part. The citizens are just scared to fight back against a totalitarian regime. The Ayatollah has so much power, and he wields it through whatever government exists and through the "media". The only way for him to keep his status is the same as since 1979 - blame the US. Now the US makes plenty of mistakes in the Middle East, but the killing of Suleimani is not one of them. This guy was a 100% threat to everyone for decades, as Iran's government ran state sponsored backing of the worst types of people to ensure their ability to undermine any western power. And Russia for much of thos 40 years has been right their with them.
Sometimes a citizenship needs help to get to the point they are willing to revolt. France helped the US in the late 1700s. We wouldn't be what we are without them. Maybe it was selfish reason, as might be the US reasons in this event, but the overall impact is a nation changed for the better.
Iran has much potential to be a wonderful nation. We can't build it. But if their people are willing to establish a constitution where the Islamic leader does not have full power, things could easily change and make it better. Hopefully their people press forward with more than just protests.
tommyboy
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They burned the UK ambassador in effigy today and one of the ayatollahs spokesmen said he should be chopped into pieces. They also released a clip where a soldier is on trial for not shooting a US missile down for fear it was an airliner. These all seem to be desperate measures.
Time to make plans. And if you are a murderer that shot innocent protestors, you should probably get out now before the people tear you to pieces when the time for revenge comes sooner rather than later.
Time to make plans. And if you are a murderer that shot innocent protestors, you should probably get out now before the people tear you to pieces when the time for revenge comes sooner rather than later.
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Just wanted to check in and make sure no one on here’s kids were drafted into the military to fight in World War III. If so, thoughts and prayers. :(
