Iran attacks US base in Iraq (1 Viewer)

[TheIronSheik]

Article from NPR showing satellite damage to bases and some interesting talking points (buildings appear to be storage rather than barracks and look to be hit pinpointed and dead-on, implying intent to avoid casualties...bases had early warning systems providing time to react)

Their ballistic missiles are not advanced enough to pinpoint targets from that far.  Hell, our ballistic missiles might not be that advanced.  You can't have a quarter of your missiles fail miserably and the others make pinpoint strikes.  Most likely, they went after those bases because they knew they had fewer missile defense systems.  People keep saying there's a bigger base closer to Iran they could've targeted, but I'm guessing that base has Patriot missiles and a much stronger defense system.  They went after those bases because they thought they could hit it hard and cause the most casualties.  

 

[TheIronSheik]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I see reports saying they think the airliner was brought down by a Russian missile.  Does that mean they Russians fired it?  Or are they saying it was a Russian made missile the Iranians fired? 

 

[El Floppo]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I see reports saying they think the airliner was brought down by a Russian missile.  Does that mean they Russians fired it?  Or are they saying it was a Russian made missile the Iranians fired? 

I read it as the latter.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not sure about the plane but the rest of the incidents seem to go about as well as possible given how bleak it looked Tuesday night.

 

[DocHolliday]

Not sure about the plane but the rest of the incidents seem to go about as well as possible given how bleak it looked Tuesday night.

Totally agree. Terrorist is dead.   No US casualties when Iran had to do something to look strong to civilians.   The US won this round nicely.  

 

[culdeus]

Is there a clear answer why Soli was in Iraq?

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I read it as the latter.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I see reports saying they think the airliner was brought down by a Russian missile.  Does that mean they Russians fired it?  Or are they saying it was a Russian made missile the Iranians fired? 

Russian-made

 

[Galileo]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I see reports saying they think the airliner was brought down by a Russian missile.  Does that mean they Russians fired it?  Or are they saying it was a Russian made missile the Iranians fired? 

https://twitter.com/USMilitaryUpd8/status/1215314926824304641

 

[tommyboy]

Being reported everywhere that Iran shot that plane down. Figures.

 

[El Floppo]

Being reported everywhere that Iran shot that plane down. Figures.

Trudeau just said Canada has intelligence saying the same. Ugh. Lots of Canadian victims on that plane.

 

[El Floppo]

Is there a clear answer why Soli was in Iraq?

Reportedly been working with Shia militants there. They were the others that got blowed up with him.

 

[El Floppo]

Trudeau just said Canada has intelligence saying the same. Ugh. Lots of Canadian victims on that plane.

There's alleged video from the ground that shows a missile hitting it. Pretty clearly shows missile burner and then impact/explosion in the night sky. Whether it's verified as from there and not doctored, I dunno. But very clear.

 

[rockaction]

Back on topic with me (I'm trying here): So what does this do with President Trump/Russia and NATO vis a vis the Ukraine and the Russia/Iran sort of axis that's been going for years? This doesn't bode well at all geopolitically, and is still bigger than others might make it.

I'm just looking at the players and their actions.

I sincerely hope not.

I'm not going to get personal with politics, but there were warnings before the last election about Trump and his seriousness regarding NATO. How serious is the organization going to be about this incident if we find Russian interference in this? What is to be done? 

This could be ugly. 

 

[culdeus]

So Iran shot that plane down for giggles?

 

[shadyridr]

So they killed 176 by accident but nobody in an intentional strike? 

 

[shadyridr]

So Iran shot that plane down for giggles?

They shot it down because they are morons

 

[culdeus]

They shot it down because they are morons

We I guess are ok with this?  Didn't seem to care when Russia did it. 

Remind me to never fly on a Ukrainian airline.

 

[shadyridr]

We I guess are ok with this?  Didn't seem to care when Russia did it. 

Remind me to never fly on a Ukrainian airline.

Who said that? I'd be ok wiping that whole regime off of the face of the Earth

 

[proteus126]

So Iran shot that plane down for giggles?

Certainly not.  I would assume that someone on the ground screwed up.

I'm sure all AA batteries were up and scanning, given that this was 4 hours after Iran launched their Scud-style missiles at the two Iraqi air bases and inbound US counter-strikes could have been expected.

Their AA system is somewhat more informal than one would expect.  Two groups (normal anti-air forces, and the Iran Revolutionary Guard perhaps) have these kind of missiles (SA-15).  Soviet made.  So who's in charge and what info is being passed up the chain might be a bit hinky.

Anyway, someone saw something and thought they needed to shoot.  If they hit the switch by mistake, I would think they would turn off the guidance radar ASAP to prevent a hit, so I'm guessing they meant to hit it.  Probably shot two missiles, one shortly after the other, to increase probability of kill.  I believe that is doctrine.

 

[shadyridr]

Htf is there video of this?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Is there a clear answer why Soli was in Iraq?

It depends on who you ask

 

[belljr]

Unreal they killed 83 of their own people because no one said hey guys.  Plane is taking off from the capital let's turn off the AA systems from 4 hours ago....

Guess I just didn't want it to be true :(

 

[El Floppo]

Htf is there video of this?

All over the news feeds.

 

[culdeus]

Who said that? I'd be ok wiping that whole regime off of the face of the Earth

Don't seem to be inclined to do anything about it.  Same as the Ukraine flight earlier.  Cost of doing business. 

 

[culdeus]

All over the news feeds.

I think he means how or why was someone recording it.  

 

[shadyridr]

All over the news feeds.

Im saying how was it possibly captured on video

 

[shadyridr]

I think he means how or why was someone recording it.  

This

 

[Da Guru]

Certainly not.  I would assume that someone on the ground screwed up.

I'm sure all AA batteries were up and scanning, given that this was 4 hours after Iran launched their Scud-style missiles at the two Iraqi air bases and inbound US counter-strikes could have been expected.

Their AA system is somewhat more informal than one would expect.  Two groups (normal anti-air forces, and the Iran Revolutionary Guard perhaps) have these kind of missiles (SA-15).  Soviet made.  So who's in charge and what info is being passed up the chain might be a bit hinky.

Anyway, someone saw something and thought they needed to shoot.  If they hit the switch by mistake, I would think they would turn off the guidance radar ASAP to prevent a hit, so I'm guessing they meant to hit it.  Probably shot two missiles, one shortly after the other, to increase probability of kill.  I believe that is doctrine.

Screwed up?  They are bumbling idiots.

 

[El Floppo]

Im saying how was it possibly captured on video

With a cell phone

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Just unbelievable 

 

[top dog]

Just unbelievable 

Is it? They killed like 56 pf their own people having a funeral...

 

[GroveDiesel]

Im saying how was it possibly captured on video

They were on high alert probably expecting an incoming US missile. Likely lots of people out filming the sky. Or, there are all sorts of folks around the world who pretty just love planes and film them all the time. Who knows.

 

[Todem]

Simply incredible. But then again not surprising from this country’s military. 

You can clearly see the missile hit it on the video.

The integrity of the investigation has been completely compromised with both black boxes in the hands of Iran and their continued denial of this.  

 

[DallasDMac]

The integrity of the investigation has been completely compromised with both black boxes in the hands of Iran and their continued denial of this.  

The entire world knows what happened. Not sure what effect the lack of a black box will have. Sure they will deny it. But the world knows.

 

[TheIronSheik]

They were on high alert probably expecting an incoming US missile. Likely lots of people out filming the sky. Or, there are all sorts of folks around the world who pretty just love planes and film them all the time. Who knows.

The video wasn't filming the plane.  It was filming the missile that was launched.  You don't even know the plane is there.  You see the trail of the missile and then BOOM.  A huge fireball.  It happened around the same time as the ground losing communications with the plane.  

 

[Todem]

The entire world knows what happened. Not sure what effect the lack of a black box will have. Sure they will deny it. But the world knows.

The world may know, but the families will suffer with a long fraudulent process from the country of Iran who is responsible for this tragedy.

Just awful.

 

[TheIronSheik]

One thing that has been talked about for years was "Is Iran's weaponry as sophisticated as claimed?"  They've unveiled pictures of stealth fighters, drones and missiles that other intelligence teams have looked at and raised concerns over the claims.  Lots of times, in a dictatorship, lies get piled on lies so many times that it's hard to know what's the truth until you see first hand.  It's kind of like that scene in the early seasons of Silicon Valley where they are trying to meet the deadline and each team is like "There's no way.  But I'm not going to tell Gavin (the guy in charge.)"  So it just keeps getting pushed from group to group with each team not meeting the deadlines.

I think we might be seeing a glimpse of that here.  Shooting down a commercial airliner is not something that happens when you have good communications.  When you're trying to send a decisive message and you fire off your best ballistic missiles and 25% of them have catastrophe failures,  something isn't right.  I think this shows a huge weakness to Iran's capabilities.  Not that we should underestimate anyone ever, but I'm guessing the US Military is right now going back and looking through a lot of data to see exactly how much of what has been claimed can be proven.

It's one thing to talk big game.  For years, I talked about how great I was at hockey because I lived in a place where hockey wasn't played.  Then I met a friend who actually was awesome at hockey.  And we started playing.  And it was quite embarrassing to know that all of my lies about my greatness where on full display.  

 

[belljr]

They were on high alert probably expecting an incoming US missile. Likely lots of people out filming the sky. Or, there are all sorts of folks around the world who pretty just love planes and film them all the time. Who knows.

the "worst part" - well whatever wording, we know the actual worst part.

This happened 4 freaking hours after their missile show.....   

really freaking incredible how awful and disgustingly stupid that this happened

 

[culdeus]

the "worst part" - well whatever wording, we know the actual worst part.

This happened 4 freaking hours after their missile show.....   

really freaking incredible how awful and disgustingly stupid that this happened

Not following this comment, why is 4 hours important?  If I was Iran I would be looking out for some sort of response in that timeframe.  

 

[Jayrok]

Sad and tragic.  Even more tragic is the fact that nothing will be done about it.  Senseless to lose all those lives.  And because of someone's ineptness.  

 

[Summer Wheat]

I think this is in the wrong forum.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think this is in the wrong forum.

There's on in the Politics forum that is for that.  This thread is basically just talking about the incident.

 

[culdeus]

Sad and tragic.  Even more tragic is the fact that nothing will be done about it.  Senseless to lose all those lives.  And because of someone's ineptness.  

I imagine they probably do end up executing the SA-15 operators.  Quietly, but not completely quietly.  

 

[belljr]

Not following this comment, why is 4 hours important?  If I was Iran I would be looking out for some sort of response in that timeframe.  

So you launched an attack 4 hours ago.   You had this Airplane stand down and delay for over an hour from previous takeoff.  

This plane did not take off immediately after.

The 4 hours is plenty of time to say.   "HEY passenger plane is cleared for takeoff OUT OF OUR OWN AIRPORT"  STANDDOWN.  Plus it was already in their airspace.  Its not like it entered their airspace all of a sudden.

So colossal of a #### up

 

[Jayrok]

I imagine they probably do end up executing the SA-15 operators.  Quietly, but not completely quietly.  

Also imagine what they'll do to the guy (he was a student?) who filmed the missile striking the plane on a smart phone.  Guess he'll disappear too.  

 

[Doug B]

The entire world knows what happened. Not sure what effect the lack of a black box will have. Sure they will deny it. But the world knows.

Yep. Cannot hide this kind of thing.

 

[E Street Brat]

One thing that has been talked about for years was "Is Iran's weaponry as sophisticated as claimed?"  They've unveiled pictures of stealth fighters, drones and missiles that other intelligence teams have looked at and raised concerns over the claims.  Lots of times, in a dictatorship, lies get piled on lies so many times that it's hard to know what's the truth until you see first hand.  It's kind of like that scene in the early seasons of Silicon Valley where they are trying to meet the deadline and each team is like "There's no way.  But I'm not going to tell Gavin (the guy in charge.)"  So it just keeps getting pushed from group to group with each team not meeting the deadlines.

I think we might be seeing a glimpse of that here.  Shooting down a commercial airliner is not something that happens when you have good communications.  When you're trying to send a decisive message and you fire off your best ballistic missiles and 25% of them have catastrophe failures,  something isn't right.  I think this shows a huge weakness to Iran's capabilities.  Not that we should underestimate anyone ever, but I'm guessing the US Military is right now going back and looking through a lot of data to see exactly how much of what has been claimed can be proven.

It's one thing to talk big game.  For years, I talked about how great I was at hockey because I lived in a place where hockey wasn't played.  Then I met a friend who actually was awesome at hockey.  And we started playing.  And it was quite embarrassing to know that all of my lies about my greatness where on full display.  

You keep saying this and I don't disagree entirely. Look back no further then Iraq for proof of that. However the Saudi strikes were pretty pin point. So their capability has got to be better than displayed the other night. 

I would say they missed on purpose and wouldn't be surprised if advanced notice wasn't "leaked" so US personal could stay clear. 

 

[E Street Brat]

I think this is in the wrong forum.

This is where [mostly] adults talk about adult situations with out name calling.  It is possible [mostly]  

 

[top dog]

Also imagine what they'll do to the guy (he was a student?) who filmed the missile striking the plane on a smart phone.  Guess he'll disappear too.  

Is his identity known?  That would suck if true because you are probably correct.

 

[Jayrok]

Is his identity known?  That would suck if true because you are probably correct.

Not sure.  Thought I heard he posted it to social media or sent it to media outlets.  Hope he was able to stay anonymous.