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Irvin on ESPN right now... (1 Viewer)

I'm probably in the minority here.

Personally I was glad to see ESPN confront this issue and I think Irvin showed some class to face the music. I'm not 100% sure I believe him, but I don't think I really care. He is a bit erractic and eccentric to listen to and his suit jackets are WAY too long, but I don't mind the content of his football analysis.
Irvin is performing well tonight in the broadcast. Guilty or not, the guy has nerves of steel and ice cold water running through his arteries and veins.
the ganj has a calming effect...when was the last time you saw a twitchy rastafarian?

 
As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong?
You are constitutionally protected from searches and seizures by gov't and private employers - in addition to cops.
Taking a piss is constituted as a seizure but is far from it realistically. You know that and I know that. How dare you call a disabled gulf war 2 vet un-American. If you break the law, you pay the prices and a few rotten apples ruins the bunch. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE PISS TESTS AT LEAST ANNUALLY, AT THE MOST QUARTERLY.
You'd love it in Singapore.
 
you get the death penalty for a seed.funny... they don't have much of a drug problem there.

 
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This controversy is somewhat hypocritical. Alcohol is a more harmful drug than pot and it gets advertised non-stop during NFL games every weekend. I'm not defending Irvin, but marijuana is less debilitative to one's health than alcohol. That is not opinion, it is fact. You can look at the research on the topic. Obviously, both drugs screw with your motor function and thinking process. We have socially constructed which drugs are considered acceptable and which are not. That is why beer is accepted and pot isn't. If you want to believe that pot is somehow worse than alcohol, go ahead. But that is a social illusion. Mind you, I'm not promoting either drug. I'm just saying it is what it is. Laws do not change the facts. They do, however, sometimes make it very stupid for you to take certain chances. Especially if you are employed.Poor Irvin is getting crucified for having a hash pipe on him, but one can go to any NFL game and drink beer until severely affected by the alcohol. Smoking weed is no worse than drinking lots of beer. I give Irvin a pass to that extent, even if it was his marijuana. The stupid thing is carelessly putting your HOF chances and career on the line. If you are going to smoke pot or hang out with users, you have to recognize the risks involved because the perception of marijuana use in our society becomes reality.

 
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As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong?
You are constitutionally protected from searches and seizures by gov't and private employers - in addition to cops.
Taking a piss is constituted as a seizure but is far from it realistically. You know that and I know that. How dare you call a disabled gulf war 2 vet un-American. If you break the law, you pay the prices and a few rotten apples ruins the bunch. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE PISS TESTS AT LEAST ANNUALLY, AT THE MOST QUARTERLY.
You'd love it in Singapore.
Best Post Evah!!! :thumbup:

 
Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.
Not in the military! It should be like the military's standards for everyone. If its good enough for soldiers/vets its good enough for taxpayers.
:no: You go into the military and you voluntarily give up a lot of federal and constitutional protections that citizens enjoy - I shouldn't be forced to give them up to a private employer. The fed'l gov't, including military, are also subjected to federal statutes that private employers are NOT subject to regarding privacy and drug testing issues.

Extremely poor logic being used there.
No its not poor logic... the media influences pop culture (whats cool, not cool, latest fads). Why should I get paid less when a higher official in my company snorts coke on the weekends? People on drugs are less responsible. Pissing in a cup is hardly "losing your constitutional protection." As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong? Where does it state the constitution protects drug users... everyone should be tested.
In the bill of rights, that would fall under The fourth and 5th amendmentsAmendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/...ocs/billeng.htm

 
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DING DONGMrs. Irvin: "Micheal check who is at the door."Micheal: "O.K. Sweetie."Micheal crosses to front door and opens it to find DopeMaster C.DopeMaster C: "My *****. Ah jus gots out of rehab n thought Ah cud chills wid you and your #####."Micheal: "Well I'll speak to my wife."DopeMaster C: "#### ***** you don't haf ta shout. Iz standing right here. Ah can hear you."Micheal: "Honey, can DopeMaster C stay for Thanksgiving dinner?"Mrs. Irvin: "You don't have to shout Micheal, I'm only five rooms away. I can hear you just fine. I guess DopeMaster C can stay, but only if that fool is off the pipe."Micheal: "Are you clean 'C'? I'm going to have to pat you down."DopeMaster C: "Hell yeah. Alls Ah'm holding is dis crack pipe, and dat's not for smoking, it's jus a sentimental momento of my days when Ah was rocking up and ho'ing."Micheal: "Well we don't want that kind of thing around our kids. You know how I feel about drugs."DopeMaster C: "Man you funny. No problem dawg, Ah dig dat your ##### be listening.. Ah'll just throw it in da trash."Micheal: "No good "C". Do you have any idea how frequently my kids go through the trash? You would think with my millions they would already have everything they want without looking through the trash for more, but I just can't keep them out of there. Worst yet, if it's not them it's my neighbors or the media because I'm such a big star they can't get enough of me. Sometimes I even think they might plant something there just to get another proud black man in trouble for no good reason"DopeMaster C: "Well jus stomp on it. It's glass, it will shatter. We'll sweep it up and dats dat."Micheal: "No good 'C' This mansion does not have a broom, vacuum or shop vac anywhere. I know..., though I have active warrants, and though I have a past drug history, I'll risk my reputation for you by driving this pipe to a supermarket to toss it in a dumpster there."DopeMaster C: "Good plan dawg. Jus don't forget you gots it in your glovebox. How would it look if you got caught?"Micheal: "That will never happen."Meanwhile down stairs in the rec room trying to watch videos and wearing headphones to drown out Micheal's voice are Micheal's kids.Child 1: "Can you believe Dad thinks we can't hear him. What the hell does he think he's protecting us from? Like we would use the pipe of some aging, crackhead who has been with every whore in the state." Child 2: "Just crank up the music louder, maybe you can drown him out. Frankly if I have to hear his friend 'C' trot out one more Stuart Scott expression in an attempt to sound 'black' I just might turn to the pipe."Child 1: "Do you think Dad's connection would give us a family discount?"Child 2: "Word Dawg."Both kids fall out laughing.

 
this is a terrible terrible post and you should be ashamed of yourself, frankly I am ashamed for you! or maybe I am ashamed becuase I am laughing so hard.

 
DING DONG

Mrs. Irvin: "Micheal check who is at the door."

Micheal: "O.K. Sweetie."

Micheal crosses to front door and opens it to find DopeMaster C.

DopeMaster C: "My *****. Ah jus gots out of rehab n thought Ah cud chills wid you and your #####."

Micheal: "Well I'll speak to my wife."

DopeMaster C: "#### ***** you don't haf ta shout. Iz standing right here. Ah can hear you."

Micheal: "Honey, can DopeMaster C stay for Thanksgiving dinner?"

Mrs. Irvin: "You don't have to shout Micheal, I'm only five rooms away. I can hear you just fine. I guess DopeMaster C can stay, but only if that fool is off the pipe."

Micheal: "Are you clean 'C'? I'm going to have to pat you down."

DopeMaster C: "Hell yeah. Alls Ah'm holding is dis crack pipe, and dat's not for smoking, it's jus a sentimental momento of my days when Ah was rocking up and ho'ing."

Micheal: "Well we don't want that kind of thing around our kids. You know how I feel about drugs."

DopeMaster C: "Man you funny. No problem dawg, Ah dig dat your ##### be listening.. Ah'll just throw it in da trash."

Micheal: "No good "C". Do you have any idea how frequently my kids go through the trash? You would think with my millions they would already have everything they want without looking through the trash for more, but I just can't keep them out of there. Worst yet, if it's not them it's my neighbors or the media because I'm such a big star they can't get enough of me. Sometimes I even think they might plant something there just to get another proud black man in trouble for no good reason"

DopeMaster C: "Well jus stomp on it. It's glass, it will shatter. We'll sweep it up and dats dat."

Micheal: "No good 'C' This mansion does not have a broom, vacuum or shop vac anywhere. I know..., though I have active warrants, and though I have a past drug history, I'll risk my reputation for you by driving this pipe to a supermarket to toss it in a dumpster there."

DopeMaster C: "Good plan dawg. Jus don't forget you gots it in your glovebox. How would it look if you got caught?"

Micheal: "That will never happen."

Meanwhile down stairs in the rec room trying to watch videos and wearing headphones to drown out Micheal's voice are Micheal's kids.

Child 1: "Can you believe Dad thinks we can't hear him. What the hell does he think he's protecting us from? Like we would use the pipe of some aging, crackhead who has been with every whore in the state."

Child 2: "Just crank up the music louder, maybe you can drown him out. Frankly if I have to hear his friend 'C' trot out one more Stuart Scott expression in an attempt to sound 'black' I just might turn to the pipe."

Child 1: "Do you think Dad's connection would give us a family discount?"

Child 2: "Word Dawg."

Both kids fall out laughing.
:lmao: POTY
 

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