fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Aaron Brooks kind of seems like the opposite of Vick in that he always does well as a fantasy QB, but is not a top QB in the NFL.
What say you?
What say you?
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Is Aaron Brooks a Top 12 NFL QB? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter fridayfrenzy
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Hello Friday, this was your top 12-15 QBS.
I am talking in real NFL terms, not fantasy.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Hasselbeck
6. Vick
7. Roethlisberger
8. Delhomme
9. Culpepper
10. Delhomme
11. Brees
12. Green/Bulger/Plummer/Leftwich
Brooks isn't even my top 15 of QBs, and the Saints seem to think the same as he was benched and they are looking for a new
QB
Not bad but I'm going to make some comments.
1. What are you basing your list on? wins, statistics or both.
2. You mentioned Delhomme twice.
3. Leftwich IMO doesn't belong ahead of Brooks
4. Bulger should be way up the list. Again IMO
5. Vick doesn't belong ahead of Brooks or in the top 12 at all. IMO
6. Roethlisberger wins but doesn't have great passing stats.
My comments are in bold
I am talking in real NFL terms, not fantasy.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Hasselbeck
6. Vick
7. Roethlisberger
8. Delhomme
9. Culpepper
10. Delhomme
11. Brees
12. Green/Bulger/Plummer/Leftwich
Brooks isn't even my top 15 of QBs, and the Saints seem to think the same as he was benched and they are looking for a new
QB
Not bad but I'm going to make some comments.
1. What are you basing your list on? wins, statistics or both.
2. You mentioned Delhomme twice.
3. Leftwich IMO doesn't belong ahead of Brooks
4. Bulger should be way up the list. Again IMO
5. Vick doesn't belong ahead of Brooks or in the top 12 at all. IMO
6. Roethlisberger wins but doesn't have great passing stats.
My comments are in bold
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cstu
Footballguy
Any QB who wins as much as Vick does is a "top NFL QB". The Falcons had only a couple winning seasons in the decade before Vick became the starter and they haven't had a losing season since with him at QB. In 2003 the team was 2-10 while he was injured and he came back and won 3 out 5.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
This thread is a joke, right? Brooks isnt even a top 25 QB. He is the LAST guy you want leading your team. A walking disaster. He might be the WORST starting QB in the NFL.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
I always considered him overvalued because of his numbers but I actually like him. He's not a top 12 but he isnt far behind the middle of the pack amoung starters IMO. Currently he's undervalued because his team went through a natural disaster and he practically gave up. It shouldnt take much for him to get back up to mediocrity.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Aaron Brooks is right at the very top of my QB list (when I sort it alphabetically by first name).
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
fla\/\/ed.
no "HELL NO!" option.
no "HELL NO!" option.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
So you think Brooks is Top 12. Well lets see your list then.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
What are you talking about? He just said that Brooks is not even in his top 15.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
And how have they done with Matt Shaub? Just as well.I used to be a huge Vick supporter, loved watching him and just wanted to see him succeed...But watching the guy try and throw a pass is just laugh out loud funny. He misses some of the easiest passes out there over and over again, and misses them badly.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
When your team insists you attend leadership training sessions in the offseason, and your team never lives up to its considerable potential under your watch, AND you seemingly find humor and smile at the most inappropriate times [i.e., after key turnovers], you are MOST CERTAINLY not in the top 12 of NFL QB, not even close.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
0-2 as the starter is just as well?
Manning= got it all
Brady= knows how to win
Hasselbeck= moving up
Bulger =frail but if he is healthy quick release smart confident
Palmer= see hass.
Brees= steady but not special
McNabb= would rank him higher if not for cold streaks throwing
Delhomme= see brees
Plummer= good improviser, makes me nervous
Roth= manages game
Green= on the decline
Brooks= Imo has all the tools necessary to be real good, except for the head, maybe different team and coach will make a difference.
Now keep in mind this is how I would rate them, I didn't use any tried true formula or statistical data. If I was a coach this is the order I would take them in.
Brady= knows how to win
Hasselbeck= moving up
Bulger =frail but if he is healthy quick release smart confident
Palmer= see hass.
Brees= steady but not special
McNabb= would rank him higher if not for cold streaks throwing
Delhomme= see brees
Plummer= good improviser, makes me nervous
Roth= manages game
Green= on the decline
Brooks= Imo has all the tools necessary to be real good, except for the head, maybe different team and coach will make a difference.
Now keep in mind this is how I would rate them, I didn't use any tried true formula or statistical data. If I was a coach this is the order I would take them in.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
QBs currently in the NFL I would rather have running my team...
Carson Palmer
Jon Kitna
Jake Plummer
David Carr
Peyton Manning
Byron Leftwich
David Garrard
Trent Green
Gus Frerotte
Tom Brady
Chad Pennington [if healthy]
Kerry Collins
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Steve McNair
Billy Volek
Kurt Warner
Michael Vick
Matt Schaub
Jake Delhomme
Drew Bledsoe
Brett Favre
Brad Johnson
Daunte Culpepper [if healthy]
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger
Chris Simms
Mark Brunell
Carson Palmer
Jon Kitna
Jake Plummer
David Carr
Peyton Manning
Byron Leftwich
David Garrard
Trent Green
Gus Frerotte
Tom Brady
Chad Pennington [if healthy]
Kerry Collins
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Steve McNair
Billy Volek
Kurt Warner
Michael Vick
Matt Schaub
Jake Delhomme
Drew Bledsoe
Brett Favre
Brad Johnson
Daunte Culpepper [if healthy]
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger
Chris Simms
Mark Brunell
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CrossEyed
Guest
Roethlisberger doesn't pass a lot, but he does have great passing stats. 98.6 passer rating was behind only Manning & Palmer this season. His 8.9 ypa was tops in the NFL. His completion % of 62.7 was 9th in the NFL. His 105.8 passer rating in the first half (before the Steelers go into protect mode) was 2nd in the NFL, only behind Palmer.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
No, that part was still my quote.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
He has averaged a Top 10-12 Fantasy QB over the last 3-5 years....thats pretty decent.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
What Atlanta did in the 90s has NOTHING to do with Vick.And in 2003, they had Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner playing in his place. Neither belongs in the NFL, even as a 3rd-stringer. The difference in record with/without Vick was more due to how bad his replacements were than anything he did.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
It amazes me that a board where people take QB W/L record seriously as a statistic could have a draft and only take 10 QBs in the first 3 rounds. That is an amazing logical disconnect.
-OZ-
Footballguy
As one of the teams that waited, I disagree. After the first few elite QBs, I'd rather develop the defense and OLine instead of taking a guy like Eli, CPep (now) or Brees. I was happy with Warner and Campbell starting given their values.Each of us had a philosophy, some will work better than others.
Keep in mind though, out of the top QBs, each has a very good team around them. Really, until you get to Culpepper and Favre - who were both terrible this year, and then Carr, can you say with absolute certainty that the QB would be as good on a much lesser team? Take Peyton for example, imagine he's a Texan. I highly doubt he's seen as the premier QB in the NFL then.
But this is besides the point, I quoted the list just to show our consensus on Brooks, not to change this to the value of a QB.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Ok, this has gone too far.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Why are you listing the players better than McMahon in an Aaron Brooks thread?
Oh, these guys and about 50 others are better than Mike McMahon :X But I would honestly rather have all of the aforementioned running my huddle than Aaron Brooks in 2006. 
Family Matters
Footballguy
I'm wondering if Brooks were in a different situation if he would play better? Now don't get me wrong, I am not impressed at all and do not see him as anything better than top 20 NFL QB. But let's be realistic. Last year NO was not a good place to be. Ask any player on that team. The happiest players were the one's IR'd for the season. At least they got a reprieve.
The environment was terrible for these guys. No real home games. Constant reminders of the loss and heartbreak. Who could be expected to perform well in that situation?
I do feel Brooks would be better off with another team but I do not have confidence he can be anything better than top 20. And that's being kind.
The environment was terrible for these guys. No real home games. Constant reminders of the loss and heartbreak. Who could be expected to perform well in that situation?
I do feel Brooks would be better off with another team but I do not have confidence he can be anything better than top 20. And that's being kind.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Take Peyton for example, imagine he's a Texan. I highly doubt he's seen as the premier QB in the NFL then.
The Colts were the Texans before Manning got there. They were awful and Peyton became a premier QB in spite of the cicumstance. The Colts have been a contender ever since.
The Colts were the Texans before Manning got there. They were awful and Peyton became a premier QB in spite of the cicumstance. The Colts have been a contender ever since.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
The Colts built their offensive line first before they drafted Manning.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I was going to type out a list when I discovered Wood beat me to it. Aaron Brooks has been a top-tier fantasy quarterback but he has never been a very good NFL quarterback. Very inconsistent, lots of yardage once the team is down by a couple of touchdowns and a distinct lack of leadership make him one of the worst starting quarterbacks and not a top 12 guy. I would even take Philip Rivers over him at this point.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
You are in the minority here. Keep grasping.
cstu
Footballguy
I don't think that it's mere coincidence that the first year that Vick took over from Chandler (not a bad QB) that the team suddenly made the playoffs. It wasn't all Vick, but he was a huge part of helping the team win.Bringing up how bad Johnson and Kittner were doesn't change that the Falcons won when Vick returned. That logic is as faulty as saying that the Steelers record with/without Roethlisberger was due more to how bad Maddox was than anything he did.
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