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Why would you spend your hard-earned money to boo the team? How about just finding something better to do with your time instead.
I'll give you that. Never booed him though I wish I could boo his parents for doing such a poor job.That sissy deserved every bit of the booing he got. Lindros sucks. He probably gives himself a concussion trying to wash his hair.The problem I have with Philly fans, and yes I am one, is that they will boo a guy unmercifully for almost the entire game, then he does something good and the loudest boo'ers are now leading the cheers. To me that isn't being a fan, that's being a crybaby. If you are going to boo a guy like Pat Burrell for 7 innings then he hits a HR to win the game - don't cheer - remember - they stink!! Same with McNabb, Schmidt, Lindross, etc..
Kinda reminds me of when a kid lays on the floor in the mall screaming and kicking their feet until their mom buys them a toy. Once they get it - everything is ok again.![]()
What? Listen this kind of rationale isn't written in stone and it certainly varies from person to person, but mass amounts of people booing is a stressful situation for the majority of people. People respond to stress in different ways but it can have very negative implications for an otherwise successful player. The real question is was the booing of Mike Schmidt justified? This guys the greatest third basemen of all time, yet you guys booed him enough that it’s remembered. I don't know Philly or baseball sports history so there may be good reasons for it but it seems like this guy was doing something right if he’s now remembered as the best. Don't you feel a little bad for treating him with such little respect when he was working to reach the level of play he achieved? I feel like most booing is unwarranted, some guys deserve it, like Jagr or Bonds when they come back to Pittsburgh, but for most part its just annoying and pointless and makes it harder for an already struggling player to produce. It also does remind much of loyalty to me, in a player sense.So, for example (sorry to bring a baseball example into the SP), Mike Schmidt is generally acknowledged as the greatest 3rd baseman of all time, yet he got booed a lot until near the end of his career. By your rationale, if he hadn't gotten booed, can we assume that he would have been the greatest player of all time? That the booing "held him back" to only being one of the 10-15 greatest players of all time? Look, he obviously didn't like getting booed (who would?), but he overcame it, didn't let it affect his overall play, the booing eventually stopped, and he became one of the most revered players in Philadelphia history.They're professionals, but they're also human beings. Most human beings don't like to be told there terrible at something by 33,000 people. When they’re heckled by opposing fans it’s easier to brush that off as heckling but when the hometown craps all over you’re performance your crazy if you don't think that it affects them. These guys are trained not to show it out but for the majority of them there’s no way it doesn't have an effect.These guys are professionals - If they are too pansy-### to let booing affect their commitment to their profession and their level of play, then I don't want them on my team anyway. Real professionals may not like to be booed, but understand and accept when their play on the field deserves it. And guess what? If you man up like that as a professional, own it, and show that you can not only take it but raise your game, the booing tends to stop.In before the predictable "Yeah, but there still just human like you and me and they have families" comeback. Of course they are, and harassing family members for how the player is doing is never ever good. But the player accepted this line of work knowing the ups and downs that come with it, including the many millions of dollars associated with it. You gotta earn that money, and that includes putting up with some booing if your performance doesn't meet expectations.I think booing is more likely to alienate the players and make them want to play less.I think any fans, that want a front office that makes decisions based on booing, deserve the team they would get as a result.It isn't like fans don't have plenty of means of getting their disappointment or frustration across to a team. Actively deriding your players while they are playing just doesn't seem to me to be doing anything more than encouraging your players to care less about the game.I think if your team's management, coaches and ownership has assembled a team out there that loses week after week with subpar personnel on the field (despite what appears to be 100% effort)...its ok to boo to let the ownership know that these 50+ players they've sent out there are not acceptable to the fans. Of course its always a grey-area whether its the coaches/mgmt or not very good players. OK to boo regardless to get changes to occur.
A friend of mine (12 years old or so at the time) asked Schmidt for an autograph. His response? "Get away from me you little turd." Nice Mike, you're all class.What? Listen this kind of rationale isn't written in stone and it certainly varies from person to person, but mass amounts of people booing is a stressful situation for the majority of people. People respond to stress in different ways but it can have very negative implications for an otherwise successful player. The real question is was the booing of Mike Schmidt justified? This guys the greatest third basemen of all time, yet you guys booed him enough that it’s remembered. I don't know Philly or baseball sports history so there may be good reasons for it but it seems like this guy was doing something right if he’s now remembered as the best. Don't you feel a little bad for treating him with such little respect when he was working to reach the level of play he achieved? I feel like most booing is unwarranted, some guys deserve it, like Jagr or Bonds when they come back to Pittsburgh, but for most part its just annoying and pointless and makes it harder for an already struggling player to produce. It also does remind much of loyalty to me, in a player sense.So, for example (sorry to bring a baseball example into the SP), Mike Schmidt is generally acknowledged as the greatest 3rd baseman of all time, yet he got booed a lot until near the end of his career. By your rationale, if he hadn't gotten booed, can we assume that he would have been the greatest player of all time? That the booing "held him back" to only being one of the 10-15 greatest players of all time? Look, he obviously didn't like getting booed (who would?), but he overcame it, didn't let it affect his overall play, the booing eventually stopped, and he became one of the most revered players in Philadelphia history.They're professionals, but they're also human beings. Most human beings don't like to be told there terrible at something by 33,000 people. When they’re heckled by opposing fans it’s easier to brush that off as heckling but when the hometown craps all over you’re performance your crazy if you don't think that it affects them. These guys are trained not to show it out but for the majority of them there’s no way it doesn't have an effect.These guys are professionals - If they are too pansy-### to let booing affect their commitment to their profession and their level of play, then I don't want them on my team anyway. Real professionals may not like to be booed, but understand and accept when their play on the field deserves it. And guess what? If you man up like that as a professional, own it, and show that you can not only take it but raise your game, the booing tends to stop.In before the predictable "Yeah, but there still just human like you and me and they have families" comeback. Of course they are, and harassing family members for how the player is doing is never ever good. But the player accepted this line of work knowing the ups and downs that come with it, including the many millions of dollars associated with it. You gotta earn that money, and that includes putting up with some booing if your performance doesn't meet expectations.I think booing is more likely to alienate the players and make them want to play less.I think any fans, that want a front office that makes decisions based on booing, deserve the team they would get as a result.It isn't like fans don't have plenty of means of getting their disappointment or frustration across to a team. Actively deriding your players while they are playing just doesn't seem to me to be doing anything more than encouraging your players to care less about the game.I think if your team's management, coaches and ownership has assembled a team out there that loses week after week with subpar personnel on the field (despite what appears to be 100% effort)...its ok to boo to let the ownership know that these 50+ players they've sent out there are not acceptable to the fans. Of course its always a grey-area whether its the coaches/mgmt or not very good players. OK to boo regardless to get changes to occur.
If that’s why you booed him then that’s completely different then booing someone for on the field play. Schmidt doesn't care if you think he’s a #### and he's going to equate your booing with a dislike for him personally and it won't have the effect on his on the field play as much as booing a guy who actually cares about that fans and is trying to play well and getting hazed for it.A friend of mine (12 years old or so at the time) asked Schmidt for an autograph. His response? "Get away from me you little turd." Nice Mike, you're all class.What? Listen this kind of rationale isn't written in stone and it certainly varies from person to person, but mass amounts of people booing is a stressful situation for the majority of people. People respond to stress in different ways but it can have very negative implications for an otherwise successful player. The real question is was the booing of Mike Schmidt justified? This guys the greatest third basemen of all time, yet you guys booed him enough that it’s remembered. I don't know Philly or baseball sports history so there may be good reasons for it but it seems like this guy was doing something right if he’s now remembered as the best. Don't you feel a little bad for treating him with such little respect when he was working to reach the level of play he achieved? I feel like most booing is unwarranted, some guys deserve it, like Jagr or Bonds when they come back to Pittsburgh, but for most part its just annoying and pointless and makes it harder for an already struggling player to produce. It also does remind much of loyalty to me, in a player sense.So, for example (sorry to bring a baseball example into the SP), Mike Schmidt is generally acknowledged as the greatest 3rd baseman of all time, yet he got booed a lot until near the end of his career. By your rationale, if he hadn't gotten booed, can we assume that he would have been the greatest player of all time? That the booing "held him back" to only being one of the 10-15 greatest players of all time? Look, he obviously didn't like getting booed (who would?), but he overcame it, didn't let it affect his overall play, the booing eventually stopped, and he became one of the most revered players in Philadelphia history.They're professionals, but they're also human beings. Most human beings don't like to be told there terrible at something by 33,000 people. When they’re heckled by opposing fans it’s easier to brush that off as heckling but when the hometown craps all over you’re performance your crazy if you don't think that it affects them. These guys are trained not to show it out but for the majority of them there’s no way it doesn't have an effect.These guys are professionals - If they are too pansy-### to let booing affect their commitment to their profession and their level of play, then I don't want them on my team anyway. Real professionals may not like to be booed, but understand and accept when their play on the field deserves it. And guess what? If you man up like that as a professional, own it, and show that you can not only take it but raise your game, the booing tends to stop.In before the predictable "Yeah, but there still just human like you and me and they have families" comeback. Of course they are, and harassing family members for how the player is doing is never ever good. But the player accepted this line of work knowing the ups and downs that come with it, including the many millions of dollars associated with it. You gotta earn that money, and that includes putting up with some booing if your performance doesn't meet expectations.I think booing is more likely to alienate the players and make them want to play less.I think any fans, that want a front office that makes decisions based on booing, deserve the team they would get as a result.It isn't like fans don't have plenty of means of getting their disappointment or frustration across to a team. Actively deriding your players while they are playing just doesn't seem to me to be doing anything more than encouraging your players to care less about the game.I think if your team's management, coaches and ownership has assembled a team out there that loses week after week with subpar personnel on the field (despite what appears to be 100% effort)...its ok to boo to let the ownership know that these 50+ players they've sent out there are not acceptable to the fans. Of course its always a grey-area whether its the coaches/mgmt or not very good players. OK to boo regardless to get changes to occur.
i dont think most people go to games with booing in mind...they expect a good performance or effort.i know i am pretty much spending a weeks pay for 2 tickets and everything involved if i went to an eagles game...if i was at the green bay or skins game...yea id would have boo'edyet take for example that one bowl game when leftwich had to be carried by his linemen to the line of scrimmage..win or lose that gets a standing ovation for the effort and determination aloneWhy would you spend your hard-earned money to boo the team? How about just finding something better to do with your time instead.
This view is just sadWrong. It's called a dissatisfied customer. Only an idiot would give unconditional loyalty to a sports team(or any other business). Sports is a business. Customers patronize a business only to the extent that they think they're getting their money's worth. The teams are the ones who need to be loyal to the fans(and by teams I mean ownership). Seems that some people around here have the relationship backwards. I haven't missed more than a few games since I started following the Redskins but I'm not going to waste my money going to see a bad team(and I'm not talking about a bad season or two. I'm talking about a team that's bad every year and is being grossely mismanaged). As it stands, I refuse to pay any cash to Snyder. If I'm going to a game,It's because somebody gave me tickets. I prefer the game on tv and if it gets to the point where I'm not being entertained, I won't even waste time watching on tv(unless, of course, there are fantasy implications).No, it's called a fair weather fan.So booing is disloyal, but no showing up at all is loyal?How is booing going to help? I don't think you should ever boo your own team. If you are dissatisfied with their play stop going to games that is the only real way to get your point across. When an orginization feels the pinch of empty seats they'll make changes but if all the seats are full and your booing who really gives a ####.
As a Lions fan, I agree. We can't fire the owner, but we can make it so he doesn't make as much $, or is embarrassed amongst his peers.At some point.......supporting a team that's not loyal back to their fans becomes obvious.So booing is disloyal, but no showing up at all is loyal?How is booing going to help? I don't think you should ever boo your own team. If you are dissatisfied with their play stop going to games that is the only real way to get your point across. When an orginization feels the pinch of empty seats they'll make changes but if all the seats are full and your booing who really gives a ####.
How so? If I don't like a product (say, the new McDonald's fries) I won't buy it. Same with entertainment. Do you go see a band you no longer like because they've been producing bad music lately?This view is just sadWrong. It's called a dissatisfied customer. Only an idiot would give unconditional loyalty to a sports team(or any other business). Sports is a business. Customers patronize a business only to the extent that they think they're getting their money's worth. The teams are the ones who need to be loyal to the fans(and by teams I mean ownership). Seems that some people around here have the relationship backwards. I haven't missed more than a few games since I started following the Redskins but I'm not going to waste my money going to see a bad team(and I'm not talking about a bad season or two. I'm talking about a team that's bad every year and is being grossely mismanaged). As it stands, I refuse to pay any cash to Snyder. If I'm going to a game,It's because somebody gave me tickets. I prefer the game on tv and if it gets to the point where I'm not being entertained, I won't even waste time watching on tv(unless, of course, there are fantasy implications).No, it's called a fair weather fan.So booing is disloyal, but no showing up at all is loyal?How is booing going to help? I don't think you should ever boo your own team. If you are dissatisfied with their play stop going to games that is the only real way to get your point across. When an orginization feels the pinch of empty seats they'll make changes but if all the seats are full and your booing who really gives a ####.![]()
Sports is more than just entertainment or fast food. People don't wear their favorite fast food restaurant's colors. No one goes outside in the dead of winter without a shirt on painted from head to toe to see a Weezer concert. Generations of families don't share a love for the same bands.The fact that you compare your favorite team to french fries tells me all I need to know about your jaded view of life.How so? If I don't like a product (say, the new McDonald's fries) I won't buy it. Same with entertainment. Do you go see a band you no longer like because they've been producing bad music lately?This view is just sadWrong. It's called a dissatisfied customer. Only an idiot would give unconditional loyalty to a sports team(or any other business). Sports is a business. Customers patronize a business only to the extent that they think they're getting their money's worth. The teams are the ones who need to be loyal to the fans(and by teams I mean ownership). Seems that some people around here have the relationship backwards. I haven't missed more than a few games since I started following the Redskins but I'm not going to waste my money going to see a bad team(and I'm not talking about a bad season or two. I'm talking about a team that's bad every year and is being grossely mismanaged). As it stands, I refuse to pay any cash to Snyder. If I'm going to a game,It's because somebody gave me tickets. I prefer the game on tv and if it gets to the point where I'm not being entertained, I won't even waste time watching on tv(unless, of course, there are fantasy implications).No, it's called a fair weather fan.So booing is disloyal, but no showing up at all is loyal?How is booing going to help? I don't think you should ever boo your own team. If you are dissatisfied with their play stop going to games that is the only real way to get your point across. When an orginization feels the pinch of empty seats they'll make changes but if all the seats are full and your booing who really gives a ####.![]()
I'm as much a fan of the NFL as anyone, but the owner is putting a product out for consumption. The only thing some of these owners understand is the almighty $. If you want to encourage the owner to keep doing what they're doing, you buy the product. If not, you don't. Sports is not more than entertainment, it IS entertainment. It's my preferred entertainment, but that doesn't change what it is. Nobody may go outside for Weezer, but how long do people stay in line for U2, other top bands and events. Have you paid attention to the Harry Potter phenomenon?Sports is more than just entertainment or fast food. People don't wear their favorite fast food restaurant's colors. No one goes outside in the dead of winter without a shirt on painted from head to toe to see a Weezer concert. Generations of families don't share a love for the same bands.The fact that you compare your favorite team to french fries tells me all I need to know about your jaded view of life.How so? If I don't like a product (say, the new McDonald's fries) I won't buy it. Same with entertainment. Do you go see a band you no longer like because they've been producing bad music lately?This view is just sadWrong. It's called a dissatisfied customer. Only an idiot would give unconditional loyalty to a sports team(or any other business). Sports is a business. Customers patronize a business only to the extent that they think they're getting their money's worth. The teams are the ones who need to be loyal to the fans(and by teams I mean ownership). Seems that some people around here have the relationship backwards. I haven't missed more than a few games since I started following the Redskins but I'm not going to waste my money going to see a bad team(and I'm not talking about a bad season or two. I'm talking about a team that's bad every year and is being grossely mismanaged). As it stands, I refuse to pay any cash to Snyder. If I'm going to a game,It's because somebody gave me tickets. I prefer the game on tv and if it gets to the point where I'm not being entertained, I won't even waste time watching on tv(unless, of course, there are fantasy implications).No, it's called a fair weather fan.So booing is disloyal, but no showing up at all is loyal?How is booing going to help? I don't think you should ever boo your own team. If you are dissatisfied with their play stop going to games that is the only real way to get your point across. When an orginization feels the pinch of empty seats they'll make changes but if all the seats are full and your booing who really gives a ####.![]()
I think we've identified our differences. While I like watching the NFL, I'm not a fan of the NFL. I'm a fan of the Bears.I'm as much a fan of the NFL as anyone
ack34 said:Jets fans cheering Chad Pennington a couple of weeks ago for getting hurt is much worse than booing.
Gee, maybe that's because fans everywhere manage to cheer when players make good plays.suchislife said:Kinda off-topic....I was watching a nationally televised Phillies game earlier this season. Early in the game the Phils were sucking or a player made a bad play (forget the details) and the announcer, whose name I also forget, made a point to get on the Philly fans at the first sign of a 'boo'. "You can tell we're in Philly...harshest fans....yada yada yada". Couple of innings later Aaron Rowand made a great diving catch and the fans gave him a standing ovation. Not one word from the announcer.I guess cheering Philly fans didn't fit with his agenda.
And Philly fans are the only ones who booGee, maybe that's because fans everywhere manage to cheer when players make good plays.suchislife said:Kinda off-topic....I was watching a nationally televised Phillies game earlier this season. Early in the game the Phils were sucking or a player made a bad play (forget the details) and the announcer, whose name I also forget, made a point to get on the Philly fans at the first sign of a 'boo'. "You can tell we're in Philly...harshest fans....yada yada yada". Couple of innings later Aaron Rowand made a great diving catch and the fans gave him a standing ovation. Not one word from the announcer.I guess cheering Philly fans didn't fit with his agenda.
Philly fans boo more, and for stupider reasons, than any other fans, except possibly New York fans.And Philly fans are the only ones who booGee, maybe that's because fans everywhere manage to cheer when players make good plays.suchislife said:Kinda off-topic....I was watching a nationally televised Phillies game earlier this season. Early in the game the Phils were sucking or a player made a bad play (forget the details) and the announcer, whose name I also forget, made a point to get on the Philly fans at the first sign of a 'boo'. "You can tell we're in Philly...harshest fans....yada yada yada". Couple of innings later Aaron Rowand made a great diving catch and the fans gave him a standing ovation. Not one word from the announcer.I guess cheering Philly fans didn't fit with his agenda.![]()
Growing up near Detroit, I've always been a Lions fan, but moving around the nation the past 10 years has helped me become more of a fan of the game as opposed to just one team. I'll always be a Lions fan, but with their ownership, I encourage fans to do whatever is necessary (and legal) to encourage a better product. In that way, it's the same as any other business.College football is different IMO for some reason.Christo said:I think we've identified our differences. While I like watching the NFL, I'm not a fan of the NFL. I'm a fan of the Bears.-OZ- said:I'm as much a fan of the NFL as anyone
Solid analysis here.Philly fans boo more, and for stupider reasons, than any other fans, except possibly New York fans.And Philly fans are the only ones who booGee, maybe that's because fans everywhere manage to cheer when players make good plays.suchislife said:Kinda off-topic....I was watching a nationally televised Phillies game earlier this season. Early in the game the Phils were sucking or a player made a bad play (forget the details) and the announcer, whose name I also forget, made a point to get on the Philly fans at the first sign of a 'boo'. "You can tell we're in Philly...harshest fans....yada yada yada". Couple of innings later Aaron Rowand made a great diving catch and the fans gave him a standing ovation. Not one word from the announcer.I guess cheering Philly fans didn't fit with his agenda.![]()
Sea Bass said:Every statemant in the second question suggests that booing is acceptable except for the "other" option. Certainly this is a tainted and slanted poll. FOX news and CNN would be proud.