Is David Carr on a short leash? (1 Viewer)

[Donnybrook]

What to Do, What to Do...

by Ric Sweeney

HoustonProFootball.com

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Because here we are, eight quarters into arguably the most important preseason in the team’s history and the best quarterback on this team thus far is Sage Rosenfels, not David Carr. And frankly, it’s really not even close.

What to do, what to do...

Oh sure, it’s only preseason – no one’s reading too much into anything right now (mainly because we’re conveniently ignoring all the signs last year’s supposedly meaningless preseason performance eventually predicted). And no, I don’t think Sage Rosenfels is Tom Brady in red, white and Texan blue. But then again, this isn’t really about Rosenfels anyway. He could go Joe Montana on us for all we care and it wouldn’t make an ounce of difference if Carr wasn’t busy going… well, David Carr on us.

For all the work and coaching Carr has gotten since Kubiak came on board, he still looks exactly the same as he has the past several years. When rushed, he still gets flustered, still looks panicked; still makes poor decisions. When upright and actually passing, he still locks in on his primary target; still throws into coverage; still can’t seem to consistently move the team downfield.

And so, if eight quarters from now, form holds, Kubiak is stuck in another unenviable predicament. Does he dare bench the $8M investment McNair made in Carr on Kubiak’s recommendation? If not, does he risk the ire of Texan fans, not to mention his own job security, by trotting Carr out there week after week if he proves not to be the best man for the job

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I have missed both the Texans preseason games and I was wondering how much truth there is to this account. I just grabbed the middle section of the article. Link to the full story: http://www.houstonprofootball.com/slant/slant70.html

 

[Armando]

Sign David Carr, passing on the QB's in the draft.

Keeping Dom, passing on the best RB to come out in several years.

Looks like a good start to the Kubiak era.

 

[cstu]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

 

[lod2005]

He'll be benched. I've said he sucks for years now and the excuses have dried up. The loser's best play is drop back and haul ### towards the sidelines.

O-line: Can't blame them anymore

Weapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Playcalling: No excuse there.

It's over for this loser.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

Do you realize what you just said? You're talking about Sage Rosenfels...come on, be serious. Either you have not had your cup of coffee or had one too many. It's Sage Rosenfels!!!

 

[Sheriff66]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

Do you realize what you just said? You're talking about Sage Rosenfels...come on, be serious. Either you have not had your cup of coffee or had one too many. It's Sage Rosenfels!!!

Give me Carr over Rosenfels any day of the week...

 

[tangfoot]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

 

[Blitzkrieg88]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Gary Kubiak is the new Head Coach, he and his staff are bringing the Denver zone blocking scheme to Houston. Ex-Packer HC Mike Sherman will be the Asst HC and OL coach. As far as the OL is cocerned, the zone blocking scheme has been embraced by the players, but there have been wholesale changes along the OL as a result. Chester Pitts moves from LT to LG, Steve McKinney from LG to RG, Seth Wand is the new LT, Zach Weigert moves from OG to RT, and UFA Mike Flanagan is the new OC. Rookie OT Charles Spencer and Eric Winston are waiting in the wings to take over the OT positions. Overall, should be greatly improved.WR Eric Moulds was acquired in the offseason, as was TE Jeb Putzier. Both will be upgrades at their positions. I agree though, they could have done a little more (i.e. DRAFT REGGIE).

 

[Q-Bert]

Someone posted a link to video clips of the Texans game vs. the Rams with all the commercials and replays removed in the Vernand Morency projections thread. I watched the whole thing and was amazed at how bad Carr looked. It seemed as if anytime a defender got within 3 yards of him he completely panicked. You could almost feel the fear from his body language.

I was shocked that this guy is actually an NFL QB.

 

[Colin Dowling]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Seriously? They drafted two Olinemen, added Lundy and Moulds, added Putzier..."But those are either inexperienced rookies or old men!" (Ready-made excuse when Carr sucks again this year)

 

[Big Score]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Seriously? They drafted two Olinemen, added Lundy and Moulds, added Putzier..."But those are either inexperienced rookies or old men!" (Ready-made excuse when Carr sucks again this year)

CD,I think he was saying that without any real and meaningful games played, we don't know if those issues have actually been resolved or not.And to be honest, starting two rookies on a bad O'line, is not a sure fire recipe for success. But I think you already knew that and was just playing the Devils advocate.Then there's the mess at RB.

 

[Robbie Cooper]

I've been a PSL and season ticket holder of the Houston Texans since Day 1. Somewhere during the middle of the Texans second season, I became a fan of "Anybody BUT Carr".

I was sickened when I saw that they re-signed him prior to the draft this year. I'm wearing my Vince Young Titans jersey to every home game this year as a protest of their myopic belief in David Carr.

The sooner ownership just fesses up that Carr is a washout at QB in the NFL, the better off we'd all be. Yes, I'd take Sage over Carr at this very moment for the rest of the season.

 

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Someone posted a link to video clips of the Texans game vs. the Rams with all the commercials and replays removed in the Vernand Morency projections thread. I watched the whole thing and was amazed at how bad Carr looked. It seemed as if anytime a defender got within 3 yards of him he completely panicked. You could almost feel the fear from his body language.I was shocked that this guy is actually an NFL QB.

 

[Stewy]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Seriously? They drafted two Olinemen, added Lundy and Moulds, added Putzier..."But those are either inexperienced rookies or old men!" (Ready-made excuse when Carr sucks again this year)

CD,I think he was saying that without any real and meaningful games played, we don't know if those issues have actually been resolved or not.And to be honest, starting two rookies on a bad O'line, is not a sure fire recipe for success. But I think you already knew that and was just playing the Devils advocate.Then there's the mess at RB.

Do us fans a favor and give up your season tickets. We don't need Houstonians at the game who are supporting a division rival. As far as the QB situation goes, Carr looked terrible against the Rams on the first couple drives but picked it up after that. Now the question is, did he pick it up because he settled in or did he pick it up because the 2nd team defense came in the game? No one but Kubiak and Carr know the answer to that but we will get our answer on Sunday when Carr plays for three quarters against a perenial playoff team that is more than familiar with our new system. His future with the organization hinges on his preformance this season. He will not be asked to be a game changer, he will merely be asked to manage the game. If he is ruined by the Capers era than Kubiak will have no proble replacing him with Sage. And to be honest with you, I wouldn't mind it a bit. Rosenfels has looked like a starting NFL QB ever since he has stepped on the field in steel blue.Big score, you have a few misconceptions about the Texans. (1) Neither Spencer nor Winston are starting this season. Spencer is providing the most competition but Wand is still the LT starter and will be on the 10th. (2) There is no mess at RB. While DD is hurt, Lundy and Morency has proved to be more than adequate replacements. Lundy ran for 56 yds and a TD in his game and Morency ran for 95 and 2 TD in his. Kubiak's system doesn't allow for a mess at RB.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If he is ruined by the Capers era than Kubiak will have no proble replacing him with Sage

What if he was ruined by simply being a bad QuarterbacK?

 

[Big Score]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Seriously? They drafted two Olinemen, added Lundy and Moulds, added Putzier..."But those are either inexperienced rookies or old men!" (Ready-made excuse when Carr sucks again this year)

CD,I think he was saying that without any real and meaningful games played, we don't know if those issues have actually been resolved or not.And to be honest, starting two rookies on a bad O'line, is not a sure fire recipe for success. But I think you already knew that and was just playing the Devils advocate.Then there's the mess at RB.

Do us fans a favor and give up your season tickets. We don't need Houstonians at the game who are supporting a division rival. As far as the QB situation goes, Carr looked terrible against the Rams on the first couple drives but picked it up after that. Now the question is, did he pick it up because he settled in or did he pick it up because the 2nd team defense came in the game? No one but Kubiak and Carr know the answer to that but we will get our answer on Sunday when Carr plays for three quarters against a perenial playoff team that is more than familiar with our new system. His future with the organization hinges on his preformance this season. He will not be asked to be a game changer, he will merely be asked to manage the game. If he is ruined by the Capers era than Kubiak will have no proble replacing him with Sage. And to be honest with you, I wouldn't mind it a bit. Rosenfels has looked like a starting NFL QB ever since he has stepped on the field in steel blue.Big score, you have a few misconceptions about the Texans. (1) Neither Spencer nor Winston are starting this season. Spencer is providing the most competition but Wand is still the LT starter and will be on the 10th. (2) There is no mess at RB. While DD is hurt, Lundy and Morency has proved to be more than adequate replacements. Lundy ran for 56 yds and a TD in his game and Morency ran for 95 and 2 TD in his. Kubiak's system doesn't allow for a mess at RB.

I stand corrected on the two rookie O'lineman not starting yet. I assumed incorrectly that since Kubiak had hand targeted them as O'lineman that are a match for the type needed in the Alex Gibbs system, they would be starting sooner rather than later.Shame on me for assuming.However I'm not quite as convinved as you are, that one good preseason game is proof that Lundy (running against a 1st string pre season vanilla D) & Morency (running against a 2nd string pre season vanilla D) are adequate replacements for DD in the Alex Gibbs system.I'm also not as confident as you are, that Kubiak will be able to implement Alex Gibbs system to perfection, his first year in Houston.But I could be wrong. When Jim Mora hired Alex Gibbs himself, the Falcons immediately became the NFL's top rushing team. Of course Carr, Lundy & Morency can in no way be compared to Vick, Dunn & Duckett.However considering Kubiak's familarity with the Alex Gibbs system I'm certain he is a more than competent Coach to teach...it given the right pieces.

 

[diesel7982]

O-line: Can't blame them anymoreWeapons: Can't use that excuse now.

Specifically how were these two issues resolved in the offseason?

Seriously? They drafted two Olinemen, added Lundy and Moulds, added Putzier..."But those are either inexperienced rookies or old men!" (Ready-made excuse when Carr sucks again this year)

Drafting two 3rd round OL = making the OL better this year? Kubiak is bringing over a great system, but getting that system implemented takes time.

 

[cstu]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

Do you realize what you just said? You're talking about Sage Rosenfels...come on, be serious. Either you have not had your cup of coffee or had one too many. It's Sage Rosenfels!!!

Give me Carr over Rosenfels any day of the week...

I went to Iowa State...

 

[Jayded]

The sooner ownership just fesses up that Carr is a washout at QB in the NFL, the better off we'd all be. Yes, I'd take Sage over Carr at this very moment for the rest of the season.

Between he and Kris Brown I can't wait until the Texans wise up and dump them both. I think Kubiak is growing tired of Carr and his excuses. I remember reading a camp report on Carr not long ago where he made a terrible read and Kubiak immediately jumped on him, "You're making THAT throw after being in the league 4 years? Seriously? "

 

[Stewy]

FTR - Bob McNair is in no way influencing gary Kubiak's decision making on who starts and who doesn't. In fact, McNair has gone on record as saying it doesn't matter where you were drafted or how much you are paid, if you don't d your job you are off the team.

 

[Stashy]

Someone posted a link to video clips of the Texans game vs. the Rams with all the commercials and replays removed in the Vernand Morency projections thread. I watched the whole thing and was amazed at how bad Carr looked. It seemed as if anytime a defender got within 3 yards of him he completely panicked. You could almost feel the fear from his body language.I was shocked that this guy is actually an NFL QB.

He is damaged goods. If you took the pounding he has you's panic to. His mind is screwed up now. Who knows if he could have flourished in another system.

 

[Buckna]

As a Texans fan, I hope Kubiak can make something out of Carr. At the same time, I've got faith in Kubiak to bench Carr and go with Sage if Carr doesn't perform or at least show some improvement. Carr is going to have to show marked improvement this year to have any kind of future in Houston.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

Do you realize what you just said? You're talking about Sage Rosenfels...come on, be serious. Either you have not had your cup of coffee or had one too many. It's Sage Rosenfels!!!

Give me Carr over Rosenfels any day of the week...

I went to Iowa State...

LOL, Okay that explains it...you get a mulligan.

 

[cstu]

Sage Rosenfels is good enough to start so if Carr is bad enough then I can see him getting benched.

Do you realize what you just said? You're talking about Sage Rosenfels...come on, be serious. Either you have not had your cup of coffee or had one too many. It's Sage Rosenfels!!!

Give me Carr over Rosenfels any day of the week...

I went to Iowa State...

LOL, Okay that explains it...you get a mulligan.