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Is Hakeem Nicks no longer a WR1? (1 Viewer)

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For just about every WR1 in the league, they average about 25% more targets/game than the closest other receiver on the squad. Those targets generate more catches, which generate more yardage, which ultimately generate TD's...all of which we want.

At this point in the season, Hakeem Nicks has 1 target more than Victor Cruz (whose targets and receptions seem to increase each week) and only 3 more targets than Manningham. In fairness, he did miss one game due to an injury, but I'm left to ponder if Eli is beginning to gain trust in his other receivers? It has been since Week 4 since Nicks has had the most targets in a game & he has had only 2 100-yard games all season.

With the emergence of Victor Cruz and, recently, Jake Ballard, are Nicks' best FF days behind him? I recognize he's still a talented player, but in terms of FF value...is he really a WR1?

 
Not this year. He was last year, and will be again for some games this year. He has been dinged so maybe not getting separation like he used to.

 
I think he'll be fine for the rest of the season. If you drafted him in the 2nd round then you might be disappointed, but I think he's still a low end #1 - granted he only had 2 receptions last game, but he still put up double digit fantasy points. He's a threat to score from pretty much anywhere on the field.

 
I am lucky enough to have Dez, Wes and Denariuous ......and Nicks......., Denarius is bumping Nicks or Dez, for me..... Depending on match up...

Note: using my roster as frame of reference for my position... Not rosterbating....

 
It seems that when a TD is needed most, it goes to Manningham.

He's shown good route running and solid hands this season.

It's a 3 headed monster on a very good offense. each guy has a chance at good yardage and a td every week.

 
I just traded for Nicks. I believe now that he's nearing 100%, he will be a solid WR1 for the rest of the season. Eli is playing very well for fantasy purposes, and that should translate into big numbers going forward. His separation and freakish athleticism should return now that he can go without limitations. This is the first week he's been off the injury report in nearly a month. He will return to his game breaking talent form, and easilly finish inside the top 10. Kudos to owners who saw this buy low opportunity.

 
Recent article on Nicks

But as Nicks said, he plays big because of a combination of quick moves near the line, very good strength, excellent route running to “stack” on top of defenders he gets behind, and outstanding, big hands that allow him to catch the ball away from his body and away from the defender.

“Yeah, that’s definitely it. You have to catch it away from your body,” he said of being the split end. “I’m a hands catcher anyway, so that’s really not a problem for me.”

All of Nicks’ skills have led defenses to roll coverage his way or put a safety on his side of the field. The increased attention has created space for Cruz, Jake Ballard and Mario Manningham to operate. Manningham’s touchdowns against the Niners and Dolphins on fade routes were against single coverage while Nicks was facing a double-team on the opposite side of the field.
 
these ar wrs id definitely rather have: welker, wallace, green, megatron, jennings, smith

i have him somewhere in this tier: andre, vjax, dez, jordy, fitz

 
I think teams sorta dread the Giants and Manning, by doubling Hicks or gameplanning very specifically for him. They basically saw Manningham have a rough start and Cruz had yet to establish himself. The Giants proceeded to be ver effective with Cruz and Manningham.

It will be interesting going forward. I still see him as a WR1. Teams absolutely have to account for Manningham and Cruz, and now Nicks is healthier.

rest of season schedule:

vs. PHI

@ NO

vs GB

@ DAL (in dome first week of many playoffs)

vs WAS

@ NYJ (against Revis...in the cold...not loving it)

I see WR 1 numbers through that stretch, with maybe WR2 game here or there. He would be good for your roster and should help get you into in the playoffs and to the championship game. Week 16 doesn't look too good though.

 
'shadyridr said:
'rizzler said:
It seems that when a TD is needed most, it goes to Manningham.

He's shown good route running and solid hands this season.

It's a 3 headed monster on a very good offense. each guy has a chance at good yardage and a td every week.
:mellow:
This guy has terrible hands!
 
I'm wondering this as well. Nicks is my #1 WR, but I can't decide if he's the "#1 WR, on a good offense, and he'll be a stud the rest of the way" or the "sometimes nicked-up, good WR who is losing targets to the other good WRs on his own team and I should try to move him now."

Probably somewhere in between.

He was a beast last year, but it's not last year. duh

 
He is A WR1, but he's not in a higher pseudo-tier with the truly elite like he was last year.

Last year, he was one of about three WRs that you absolutely dreaded because he was a true every week difference maker you could bank on. This year, he is a guy that you concern yourself over because he has the potential, but its not a given.

So, you play him as a 1 but he's not what you drafted him as.

doesn't he go against the Eagles this week?

 
'CompetitiveEdgeFootball said:
I just traded for Nicks. I believe now that he's nearing 100%, he will be a solid WR1 for the rest of the season. Eli is playing very well for fantasy purposes, and that should translate into big numbers going forward. His separation and freakish athleticism should return now that he can go without limitations. This is the first week he's been off the injury report in nearly a month. He will return to his game breaking talent form, and easilly finish inside the top 10. Kudos to owners who saw this buy low opportunity.
I'm with this. I traded for him too. Loved that TD pass in the last game, it looks like he is good to go.
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
umm yeah the op is not asking if hes top 5.
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
umm yeah the op is not asking if hes top 5.
He's definitely not going to win the Presidential election. I doubt I'd even vote Nicks for President... :hophead:
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
umm yeah the op is not asking if hes top 5.
He's definitely not going to win the Presidential election. I doubt I'd even vote Nicks for President... :hophead:
:lmao: imo nicks is not a qb1 this yr
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
umm yeah the op is not asking if hes top 5.
I know right? Total letdown.
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
12? :lmao: He is supposed to be in the top 5 "elite" WR section.
wr1 in a twelve team league means top 12 wrs. the op is asking if hes a wr1. hope that helps
Cool story bro....The guy was ranked too high to begin with, now the question is whether he's even #1 worthy. Funny.
:confused:
Never belonged in the top 5 rankings. :bye:
umm yeah the op is not asking if hes top 5.
I know right? Total letdown.
LOUD NOISES!
 
His hamstring injury has really limited him since October. Supposedly he is fully healthy now, so these next few games will give you a much better indication of his WR1 potential.

 
At the beginning of the year, I had him around WR 5 or 6. He's slid down from that mark for me going forward this year to 8 or 9, but he's still Wr1 material. The Giants will be in a dog fight for the rest of the year for the division so if healthy, Nicks should be pretty solid.

 
He hasn't been a 100% for a while and is still averaging just under 16 PPG in PPR. He's averaging about one catch per game less than a year ago and is just a few yards off his per game average from '10. All he's really missing this year has been the couple or three homerun TDs he had by this point last season, and those are supremely unpredictable.

He's allegedly back to 100%(or near it) now. If healthy, Nicks should be just fine.

 
ill be all over this guy if he slips to the late 3rd/early 4th in redrafts next yr. i would expect him to finish strong and dictate and optimistic outlook next yr tho.

 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
Just for discussion sake, these are this sites "Top 250" based on my leagues scoring. (PPR, 1/10 yardage, 6 TD) Player Bye This week FPT Rest of yr FPT Tot FPT Value 1 REC1 Calvin Johnson DET / 9 20.8 123.4 144.2 49.5 2 REC2 Wes Welker NE / 7 16.0 119.9 135.9 45.0 3 REC4 Greg Jennings GB / 8 20.3 103.0 123.3 38.5 4 REC5 Larry Fitzgerald ARI / 6 17.9 103.5 121.4 37.2 5 REC6 Steve Smith CAR / 9 15.0 101.1 116.1 34.4 6 REC7 Mike Wallace PIT / 11 0.0 98.9 98.9 32.1 7 REC9 Andre Johnson HOU / 11 0.0 95.4 95.4 29.7 8 REC10 Brandon Marshall MIA / 5 19.5 85.0 104.5 26.2 9 REC11 Roddy White ATL / 8 14.5 87.5 102.0 24.8 10 REC12 Dez Bryant DAL / 5 16.2 84.0 100.2 23.8 11 REC14 Marques Colston NO / 11 0.0 87.5 87.5 21.1 12 REC15 Brandon Lloyd STL / 5 14.3 81.0 95.3 19.2 13 REC16 Denarius Moore OAK / 8 14.2 78.2 92.4 17.9 14 REC17 Vincent Jackson SD / 6 13.9 78.0 91.9 17.5 15 REC18 Hakeem Nicks NYG / 7 14.5 77.3 91.8 16.7Some I agree with, some I don't, especially with QB injuries all around right now, but I'd call it pretty accurate. I have Cruz, and have no problem plugging him in every week. Most #2 or #3 WR's you wouldn't say that about.
 
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'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
Just for discussion sake, these are this sites "Top 250" based on my leagues scoring. (PPR, 1/10 yardage, 6 TD) Player Bye This week FPT Rest of yr FPT Tot FPT Value 1 REC1 Calvin Johnson DET / 9 20.8 123.4 144.2 49.5 2 REC2 Wes Welker NE / 7 16.0 119.9 135.9 45.0 3 REC4 Greg Jennings GB / 8 20.3 103.0 123.3 38.5 4 REC5 Larry Fitzgerald ARI / 6 17.9 103.5 121.4 37.2 5 REC6 Steve Smith CAR / 9 15.0 101.1 116.1 34.4 6 REC7 Mike Wallace PIT / 11 0.0 98.9 98.9 32.1 7 REC9 Andre Johnson HOU / 11 0.0 95.4 95.4 29.7 8 REC10 Brandon Marshall MIA / 5 19.5 85.0 104.5 26.2 9 REC11 Roddy White ATL / 8 14.5 87.5 102.0 24.8 10 REC12 Dez Bryant DAL / 5 16.2 84.0 100.2 23.8 11 REC14 Marques Colston NO / 11 0.0 87.5 87.5 21.1 12 REC15 Brandon Lloyd STL / 5 14.3 81.0 95.3 19.2 13 REC16 Denarius Moore OAK / 8 14.2 78.2 92.4 17.9 14 REC17 Vincent Jackson SD / 6 13.9 78.0 91.9 17.5 15 REC18 Hakeem Nicks NYG / 7 14.5 77.3 91.8 16.7
Not sure if subscriber content should be posted up like this...But in any case, I'd think I'd much rather have Nicks over the likes of Moore, Roddy White, and Marshall. Personally, I'd slot him right behind Mike Wallace in that list.Earlier in the year when people were worried about Nicks' production he responded with 10 receptions, 162 yards and a touchdown against the Cardinals.
 
'shadyridr said:
Name 12 more WRs youd rather have than him the rest of the year?
Just for discussion sake, these are this sites "Top 250" based on my leagues scoring. (PPR, 1/10 yardage, 6 TD) Player Bye This week FPT Rest of yr FPT Tot FPT Value 1 REC1 Calvin Johnson DET / 9 20.8 123.4 144.2 49.5 2 REC2 Wes Welker NE / 7 16.0 119.9 135.9 45.0 3 REC4 Greg Jennings GB / 8 20.3 103.0 123.3 38.5 4 REC5 Larry Fitzgerald ARI / 6 17.9 103.5 121.4 37.2 5 REC6 Steve Smith CAR / 9 15.0 101.1 116.1 34.4 6 REC7 Mike Wallace PIT / 11 0.0 98.9 98.9 32.1 7 REC9 Andre Johnson HOU / 11 0.0 95.4 95.4 29.7 8 REC10 Brandon Marshall MIA / 5 19.5 85.0 104.5 26.2 9 REC11 Roddy White ATL / 8 14.5 87.5 102.0 24.8 10 REC12 Dez Bryant DAL / 5 16.2 84.0 100.2 23.8 11 REC14 Marques Colston NO / 11 0.0 87.5 87.5 21.1 12 REC15 Brandon Lloyd STL / 5 14.3 81.0 95.3 19.2 13 REC16 Denarius Moore OAK / 8 14.2 78.2 92.4 17.9 14 REC17 Vincent Jackson SD / 6 13.9 78.0 91.9 17.5 15 REC18 Hakeem Nicks NYG / 7 14.5 77.3 91.8 16.7Some I agree with, some I don't, especially with QB injuries all around right now, but I'd call it pretty accurate. I have Cruz, and have no problem plugging him in every week. Most #2 or #3 WR's you wouldn't say that about.
marshall, roddy, colston, lloyd, even moore? if any of those guys were offered to me for nicks id laugh
 
that list is just lol. the moore love is insane around here. nicks has had a down yr but hes still like 5-8 going forward.

 
I'm pretty confident in Nicks, but week 16 scares the hell out of me. I'll worry about that later though.

Manningham has seemed to have a bigger role lately, I'd imagine that's a lot because of Nicks being banged up and drawing more attention. I'm confident both will have good fantasy finishes, though Cruz has thrown a big wrench into my plans of riding Manningham and Nicks at WR all year.

I picked up Moore as soon as Jacoby Ford went down. 15th is really optimistic, but I'll take it. Is it possible? Sure, he's a talented player, and he's the clear #1 there (though we said that about DHB earlier). I think he's better than DHB. I worry that better defenses will take away the deep ball to him eventually, but the Raiders schedule isn't really that difficult.

 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict.

Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.

 
Earlier in the year when people were worried about Nicks' production he responded with 10 receptions, 162 yards and a touchdown against the Cardinals.
But he had 3 for 64 and a TD in the last 5 minutes of that game. It was a decent game up until that point, but he didn't "respond" so much as he benefited from his team being down 10 late.
 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
I'm just stating the fact that nothing has changed this year with the exception of the touchdowns. His opportunities have been the same, and he isn't being phased out of the game plan in favor of Cruz or Manningham. I would draft him the exact same place next year as I did this year, because last years numbers were purely touchdown driven. He isn't getting into the end zone this season, plain and simple, but that is not something that can really be predicted.
 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
I'm just stating the fact that nothing has changed this year with the exception of the touchdowns. His opportunities have been the same, and he isn't being phased out of the game plan in favor of Cruz or Manningham. I would draft him the exact same place next year as I did this year, because last years numbers were purely touchdown driven. He isn't getting into the end zone this season, plain and simple, but that is not something that can really be predicted.
this is not true. he has 66 targets in 8 games this yr. last year he had 128 targets in 13 games (not counting week 17). thats 8 targets per game vs 10 targets per game difference
 
He had 79 catches and 1052 yds in just 13 games. Those numbers average out to 97/1295 over 16 games. I'd hardly say his numbers last year were completely TD driven, he just had a great year period. He is also averaging 2 less targets per game this year, so I would argue his opportunities have in fact changed this year.

 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
BigTex, I have no idea what you are arguing and I think there's a pretty good chance that you and harry are on the same side of this as it seems to me that harry is suggesting that Nicks is no different than last year (i.e. still very much a WR1) and that the only diff between this year and last is that last year he had more TDs and that since his targets are the same as last year we should not read much/anything into the TD diffs, but instead chock it up to the expected variability of TDs in any given year
 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
BigTex, I have no idea what you are arguing and I think there's a pretty good chance that you and harry are on the same side of this as it seems to me that harry is suggesting that Nicks is no different than last year (i.e. still very much a WR1) and that the only diff between this year and last is that last year he had more TDs and that since his targets are the same as last year we should not read much/anything into the TD diffs, but instead chock it up to the expected variability of TDs in any given year
Pretty much, MM. At least someone knows WTF is going on in that discussion. A Cowboy homer who wants to start an argument? Ya don't say.
 
He had 3 multi-touchdown games last year against terrible pass defenses. A 3TD game against Carolina in Week 1, and a couple 2TD games against Dallas and Houston. This year he only has 4TD's TOTAL which are extremely hard to predict. Targets, catches, yards all seem to be in line, but the TD's aren't and that is why he is really not in the sexy "Elite WR1" tier. Eli was throwing back shoulder fades on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line last season. This year, not so much.
WOW!!!!! So should he had struggled against the "terrible pass defenses?" Who were those "terrible pass defenses?" This is by far some of the worse cherry picking I've seen on this board in a long time and I'm CLEARLY NOT a Giants fan.
I'm just stating the fact that nothing has changed this year with the exception of the touchdowns. His opportunities have been the same, and he isn't being phased out of the game plan in favor of Cruz or Manningham. I would draft him the exact same place next year as I did this year, because last years numbers were purely touchdown driven. He isn't getting into the end zone this season, plain and simple, but that is not something that can really be predicted.
this is not true. he has 66 targets in 8 games this yr. last year he had 128 targets in 13 games (not counting week 17). thats 8 targets per game vs 10 targets per game difference
An extremely valid point, but lets see a full 13 (or 15 games) before we start extrapolating and comparing to 2010. Packers, Saints, Cowboys(2x) coming up. Plenty of opportunities to get his target average in line with last year.
 
Cant really blame him for Eli Manning sucking. So far, none of the Giants receivers are really getting much.

EDIT: As I say that Victor Cruz scores a 24 yard TD to bring his stat line to 14 fantasy points on the day.

Victor Cruz outscoring Hakeem Nicks this season. W. T. F.

 
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